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Posted: 4/6/2006 7:34:34 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/6/2006 8:02:35 AM EDT by Dance]
Just a press conferance on Fox News: Amnesty will be given for illegal aliens who are here over 5 years.

Supposedly this is a "compromise" bill.

They are going to work out the details over the next day or so and "vote" on it.

The smug looks on their faces disgusted me, as they sold America out.

Edit: Words can not express my disgust at watching Frist, Reid, Specter, Kennedy, McCain, Leahy, and the others stand there and spout their lies that they used to grant amnesty: "doing the jobs Americans won't', "law abiding undocumented citizens", etc.

Link Posted: 4/6/2006 7:36:11 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/6/2006 7:37:04 AM EDT by staraero]
I'm gonna make SHTF soon i have fucking had it fuck bush fuck him hard
Link Posted: 4/6/2006 7:38:52 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/6/2006 7:39:03 AM EDT by DK-Prof]



Bastards
Link Posted: 4/6/2006 7:39:47 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/6/2006 7:40:02 AM EDT by scuba_ed]
The problem is they are undocumented...how would this be implimented? Anybody could claim being in the country for 5+ years.

Link Posted: 4/6/2006 7:40:12 AM EDT
How the hell can an illegal alien prove how long they've been here?

We're doomed.
Link Posted: 4/6/2006 7:44:55 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Admiral_Crunch:
How the hell can an illegal alien prove how long they've been here?

We're doomed.



They can't
and the US won't be able to prove they weren't and they won't try
We are going to be flooded with people crossing the border now.
This is unbelievable
Link Posted: 4/6/2006 7:45:42 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/6/2006 7:45:54 AM EDT by HKgnnr]
To sum up this agreement, I think the particulars for this are as follows:

5 years - allowed to stay to become American citizens
over 2 years to under 5 years - must leave the country, and reapply for citizenship
Under 2 years - get the fuck out.

Either way they spin it, our reps once again sold us out.

So does this mean if thousands of us build full autos, and take to the streets, the gov't wont consider us criminals and allow us to keep them?

Way to go Senator/Rep. ASSHATS - rewarding criminals once again.
Link Posted: 4/6/2006 7:48:45 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/6/2006 7:51:04 AM EDT by TheCynic]
I don't like it, but it is the ONLY way to get this mess behind us.

Close the border (stop the bleeding) and grant amnesty (get these people on the books). Realistically, how the hell can we deport millions of people. I know that it is the keyboard commando refrain to "Git 'em out," but there is NO way to do it. Additionally, it would nuke the economy if a couple of million jobs suddenly go unfilled.

We've made our beds with lax border/immigration policies...
Link Posted: 4/6/2006 7:48:57 AM EDT
How about this: they can't prove how long they've been here, so we kick them all out.
Link Posted: 4/6/2006 7:50:01 AM EDT
What a fucking day.. My coffee pot dies, No hot water for my shower, monitor at work dies and now this shit.. Happy fucking thursday!
Link Posted: 4/6/2006 7:50:02 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Dance:
Just a press conferance on Fox News: Amnesty will be given for illegal aliens who are here over 5 years.

They are going to work out the details over the next day or so.

The smug looks on their faces disgusted me, as they sold America out.

Edit: Words can not express my disgust at watching Frist, Reid, Specter, Kennedy, McCain, Leahy, and the others stand there and spout their lies that they used to grant amnesty: "doing the jobs Americans won't', "law abiding undocumented citizens", etc.




I join you. Who do they think they represent? Anyway, what I understood; illegal here over 5 years have to pay a fine and then get in line for legal immigration; here less than 5 years have to pay a fine and if they have a willing employer, can work as a guest worker for some period of time and then return to Mexico; those here less than 2 years have to leave.
Link Posted: 4/6/2006 7:50:34 AM EDT

Originally Posted By HKgnnr:
To sum up this agreement, I think the particulars for this are as follows:

5 years - allowed to stay to become American citizens
over 2 years to under 5 years - must leave the country, and reapply for citizenship
Under 2 years - get the fuck out.

Either way they spin it, our reps once again sold us out.

So does this mean if thousands of us build full autos, and take to the streets, the gov't wont consider us criminals and allow us to keep them?

Way to go Senator/Rep. ASSHATS - rewarding criminals once again.



This makes no sense at all. So we are to believe that now anyone under two years is just gonna go back. The border will continue to be crossed. I can't even make a coherent sentence I'm so mad right now
Link Posted: 4/6/2006 7:50:38 AM EDT

Originally Posted By TheCynic:
I don't like it, but it is the ONLY way to get this mess behind us.

Close the border (stop the bleeding) and grant amnesty (get these people on the books).



You realize the border will not be closed, right?

The border was supposedly closed after the 1986 amnesty, look what that got us.
Link Posted: 4/6/2006 7:51:04 AM EDT

Originally Posted By TheCynic:
I don't like it, but it is the ONLY way to get this mess behind us.

Close the border (stop the bleeding) and grant amnesty (get these people on the books).



I think it was tried before. It faild.
Link Posted: 4/6/2006 7:51:51 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Dance:
You realize the border will not be closed, right?


I know.
Link Posted: 4/6/2006 7:51:56 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Fat_McNasty:
What a fucking day.. My coffee pot dies, Happy fucking thursday!



- Mine too, go figure - "Made in Mexico"
Link Posted: 4/6/2006 7:53:05 AM EDT

Originally Posted By TheCynic:
I don't like it, but it is the ONLY way to get this mess behind us.

Close the border (stop the bleeding) and grant amnesty (get these people on the books).



How is this getting the mess behind us, the border is still open and will continue to be.
They know that if they stay here there will be another amnesty granted again in the future.

OPEN THE FLOOD GATES
Link Posted: 4/6/2006 7:54:02 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/6/2006 7:55:10 AM EDT by Black_Talon]
How are Bush and Kerry different again? They are both socialists, both would have continued the war in Iraq, both will sign AWB II, both think illegals will do the jobs Americans won't. I am regretting more and more everyday voting for Bush. At least Kerry would give us a reach around while fucking us in the ass.
Link Posted: 4/6/2006 7:55:35 AM EDT
That's wonderful news, our "great" leaders in washington have declared "Illegal Immigration" to be legal.

Let me be the first to welcome 10 million new citizens to the good old USA.

So how exactly is this going to discourage "illegal" immigration?
Link Posted: 4/6/2006 7:55:44 AM EDT
Link Posted: 4/6/2006 7:56:48 AM EDT
More proof that laws only apply to the law abiding.

Link Posted: 4/6/2006 7:57:08 AM EDT
What a historic day.


We just witnessed the beginning of the death of America.

Link Posted: 4/6/2006 7:57:13 AM EDT
So is this a done deal or is there a way to stop it still?? And do the politicians know that they just cut there own throats?
Link Posted: 4/6/2006 7:57:48 AM EDT

Originally Posted By TheTracker:
How is this getting the mess behind us, the border is still open and will continue to be.


Get pissed about the lack of border security, not the amnesty. People are all "I refuse to support anything with amnesty." Well, that is a given...it sucks, but amnesty has to occur.

The President continuing to fellate V.Fox pisses me off more than some status change of people who are already here. We are the strongest nation the world has ever seen and we act like we are Mexico's bitch.
Link Posted: 4/6/2006 7:57:50 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/6/2006 7:58:06 AM EDT by RAVYN]


Lets punish the repubs by voting for them in 06.
Link Posted: 4/6/2006 7:57:56 AM EDT
The 3 part plan -

— Illegals in the United States less than two years would be required to leave immediately. If caught once, they would be subject to a misdemeanor, and if caught twice they would be charged with a felony. About 2 million to 3 million people fall into this category.

— Illegals in the United States between two and five years would have go to one of 16 ports of entry in the United States, determined by the U.S. Visit program, and declare themselves. They would be given a temporary visa and allowed back to their U.S. residences immediately. Once in the United States, they could apply for the citizenship path spelled out in the McCain-Kennedy bill. About 3 million to 4 million people fall into this category.

— Illegals who could prove they have been in the United States for more than five years would immediately be given guest worker status and would get on the 11-year path to citizenship. They would not have to declare themselves as guest workers. This path would be open to about 5 million illegals living in the United States.
Link Posted: 4/6/2006 7:57:58 AM EDT

Just shut the fuck up and pay your damn taxes.

Love, your Congress Critters


Link Posted: 4/6/2006 8:01:10 AM EDT
Two words for all of you:

Vote Libertarian


That is all....

E
Link Posted: 4/6/2006 8:03:00 AM EDT
My mass emailing-

Dear Senator/Represenative XXXXXX:

FUCK YOU and your ILLEGAL AMNESTY.

Sincerely,

HKGNNR

Link Posted: 4/6/2006 8:04:38 AM EDT
Someone here that believes illegals that are here less then two years are just going to say O well time to go back. please post here. Do you think that the police are going to arrest about 5 million
people and send them back. The numbers that the government gives are wrong there are over
20 million illegals here.
Link Posted: 4/6/2006 8:04:55 AM EDT
This will just lead to bloodshed in the streets and our politicians will be the responsible ones.
Link Posted: 4/6/2006 8:05:11 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/6/2006 8:06:14 AM EDT by nationwide]

Originally Posted By HKgnnr:
My mass emailing-

Dear Senator/Represenative XXXXXX:

FUCK YOU and your ILLEGAL AMNESTY.

Sincerely,

HKGNNR




No, it's just gonna cause a delay on any Class 3 transfers...

I'll just whine on the internet.


ETA: We need a list of co-sponsors of this... no point on jumping on the ones who stand by the Constitution.
Link Posted: 4/6/2006 8:06:44 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Fat_McNasty:
So is this a done deal or is there a way to stop it still?? And do the politicians know that they just cut there own throats?



I would say it is a done deal. They stated they will hammer out the incidentals and vote on it withing a day or so. There were 10 senators or so on the podium and others standing there beside them, so it is a significant amount.
Link Posted: 4/6/2006 8:07:57 AM EDT

Originally Posted By erikd65:
Two words for all of you:

Vote Libertarian


That is all....

E



Yeah, that'll do it.

www.lp.org/issues/immigration.shtml
Link Posted: 4/6/2006 8:08:43 AM EDT
It is not a done deal at all. Word is that they will not have the 60 votes needed to pass this
Link Posted: 4/6/2006 8:10:43 AM EDT
I am waiting for the other shoe to drop. What about enforcement and border security? Or did they forget?
Link Posted: 4/6/2006 8:12:32 AM EDT
USBP Officer: ¿cuanto tiempo usted ha trabajado en Estados Unidos? How long have you been working in the US

Illegal still wet after swimming the Rio Grande: Cinco años de señor
Link Posted: 4/6/2006 8:12:52 AM EDT

Originally Posted By staraero:
I'm gonna make SHTF soon i have fucking had it fuck bush fuck him hard



+ 1

So much for "Conservative" Republicans huh?
Link Posted: 4/6/2006 8:13:46 AM EDT
Fuck Washington and the asshats that just sold us out. They have just taken another step for inspiring a revoltion of those of us that actually pay taxes. My senator is Brownback, he will continue to know exactly how I feel.
Link Posted: 4/6/2006 8:16:02 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/6/2006 8:16:32 AM EDT by Cross_Steel]
?Que Habla "sold out" en espanol?
Link Posted: 4/6/2006 8:16:50 AM EDT
Illegals w/o insurance nor drivers licenses get ammnesty and the BATFE spends their resources on gunsmiths who build a couple legal firearms?

This country is so screwed.
How many new people added to the welfare rolls? 12 million just to start.
Link Posted: 4/6/2006 8:17:10 AM EDT
The Democrats have got to be dancing in the streets with this coup. The Republicans (who vote for this) will lose seats for pissing off the conservative base and the Illegals will vote mostly Democrat in upcoming elections.


I've got to go shoot off another E-mail.
Link Posted: 4/6/2006 8:18:12 AM EDT

Originally Posted By erikd65:
Two words for all of you:

Vote Libertarian


That is all....

E



Ah, don't the libertarians want open borders?
Link Posted: 4/6/2006 8:19:47 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/6/2006 8:20:16 AM EDT by jj01]
I can't wait for the dancing in the streets and the MEXICAN flag waving to begin.

Wouldn't it be great if they signed off on the legislation on May 5th!!!!!
Link Posted: 4/6/2006 8:20:18 AM EDT

Originally Posted By TheTracker:
Someone here that believes illegals that are here less then two years are just going to say O well time to go back. please post here. Do you think that the police are going to arrest about 5 million
people and send them back. The numbers that the government gives are wrong there are over
20 million illegals here.



I wouldn't have a big problem with illegals if when they got picked up for anything bigger than a parking ticket they got the big trabuchet over the border instantly. Attrition would leave us only those that worked hard and could drive a car.
Link Posted: 4/6/2006 8:23:11 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/6/2006 8:24:40 AM EDT by Fat_McNasty]

Originally Posted By Stealth:
I've got to go shoot off another E-mail.



Why bother.. You have neither the $ or something that can grease there palms.. If this flys they will have 20+million voters that will be more than happy to pay back the favor that was just granted to them..

Game over man, game over...

I am looking forward to all the available class 3 stuff that will start making its appearance now that were headed to 3rd world shit hole status.. RPG's and AKM's w00t!
Link Posted: 4/6/2006 8:24:00 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Planerench:

Originally Posted By erikd65:
Two words for all of you:
Vote Libertarian
That is all....
E


Ah, don't the libertarians want open borders?

Yes.

Kharn
Link Posted: 4/6/2006 8:25:51 AM EDT
This Bill does nothing but reward the longterm lawbreakers a break.

Our government has lost it's mind when it comes to illegal aliens.

HH
Link Posted: 4/6/2006 8:26:22 AM EDT
Link Posted: 4/6/2006 8:26:44 AM EDT
E-mails sent to all my senators and reps.
Link Posted: 4/6/2006 8:27:29 AM EDT

Originally Posted By HKgnnr:
To sum up this agreement, I think the particulars for this are as follows:

5 years - allowed to stay to become American citizens
over 2 years to under 5 years - must leave the country, and reapply for citizenship
Under 2 years - get the fuck out.

Either way they spin it, our reps once again sold us out.

So does this mean if thousands of us build full autos, and take to the streets, the gov't wont consider us criminals and allow us to keep them?

Way to go Senator/Rep. ASSHATS - rewarding criminals once again.




birds of a feather flock together.

You know the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. Didn't they do this once before? So, this time there will be different results?

I think they capitulated because of the threatened strike/protests coming on May 1. Remember these guys have spines that resemble warm jello.
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