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Posted: 4/4/2006 7:28:56 AM EDT
What did these guns used to cost brand new?
Link Posted: 4/4/2006 7:34:25 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/4/2006 7:35:02 AM EDT by DK-Prof]
Back in the 80s, they were pretty cheap. I used to have a Shooter's Bible from the early 80s, I think. Living in very restricted Denmark at the time, I was fascinated by it.

IIRC, perhaps about $400 - $500 ?
Link Posted: 4/4/2006 7:38:28 AM EDT
If memory serves, one of the dealer's at the Detroit Light Guard Armory (where I worked at my dad's tables) had HK 91's for sale for about $650 or so. Was close to purchasing one, but never could scrape together enough pennies. Got a mini-14 instead , which sold for about $250 new at the time.

This was about the '84 time frame...
Link Posted: 4/4/2006 7:43:17 AM EDT
Taking inflation into account, they are only just a little bit more now.
Link Posted: 4/4/2006 7:47:25 AM EDT

Originally Posted By GySgtD:
If memory serves, one of the dealer's at the Detroit Light Guard Armory (where I worked at my dad's tables) had HK 91's for sale for about $650 or so. Was close to purchasing one, but never could scrape together enough pennies. Got a mini-14 instead , which sold for about $250 new at the time.

This was about the '84 time frame...



Detroit Light Guard Armory??? That must have been...

"Bill Goodman's gun and knife show, call a buddy, bring a friend...this weekend at the light guard armory there will be guns, knives and military items of all kinds..."

I still remember those commercials. That jingle will be stuck in my head for the rest of my life.
Link Posted: 4/4/2006 7:48:53 AM EDT
I was at National Gun in Pasadena Calif circa 1988, NIB HK91s $750, and HK94s were ~$600(?). HK93s are fairly rare because HK didn't import very many before they were banned by GWB Sr.
Link Posted: 4/4/2006 7:50:13 AM EDT
For a Brand New HK91 in 1985, I paid $499.00

The 93's and 94's were the same price
Link Posted: 4/4/2006 7:50:36 AM EDT
1989, paid $699 from my HK93

Think I'm gonna go throw up.
Link Posted: 4/4/2006 10:33:50 AM EDT
HK 93, in 1988 paid $780 with 6 mags NIB. The gunshop cut me a deal because it had been on the rack for so long. He was griping that he would never carry the darn things again.

I haven't shot the thing since around 2001. It's just not that good a weapon.

Link Posted: 4/4/2006 10:37:34 AM EDT
Well shit, I just paid 3200.00 for a 91 with all the options.

I think I'm gonna go throw up
Link Posted: 4/4/2006 10:37:47 AM EDT


musta been nice living in a time when you could buy MG's and there were more semi-auto choices then just AR, AK, FAL, and M14...


Link Posted: 4/4/2006 10:40:50 AM EDT

The 91 used to sell for around $650. I bought mine for around $900 after they banned them, IIRC.


H'mmmm, maybe I should sell it.

Link Posted: 4/4/2006 10:41:41 AM EDT
Link Posted: 4/4/2006 10:48:33 AM EDT
My Dad loves to tell me how he bought his 91 for $400 in the early 80's, he usually does this when he sees me drooling over one marked $2000 at the gun show.
Link Posted: 4/4/2006 10:52:54 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/4/2006 10:57:34 AM EDT by StrkAliteN]
I bought a NIB HK-91 about 1 year ago for $1275 and sold it approx 3 weeks later for $2600

edited to add:

I already had one. Which is why I had no need for the NIB one.

Here's mine

Link Posted: 4/4/2006 10:54:34 AM EDT
Always wanted a 91 myself!
Link Posted: 4/4/2006 11:03:18 AM EDT
I wish JLD could make an HK94, there just aren't really any reliable sources for them but the real thing (expensive!).
Link Posted: 4/4/2006 11:09:30 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/4/2006 11:13:34 AM EDT by JRBL1A1]

Originally Posted By RIA45ACP:
My Dad loves to tell me how he bought his 91 for $400 in the early 80's, he usually does this when he sees me drooling over one marked $2000 at the gun show.



My dad likes to joke with me about going into the hardware store as a kid (1950's) here in Iowa and seeing a dozen of those cardboard barrels full of M1 Garands for $40 and M1 Cabines for $25. He said that a few times his dad (my G'pa) would stop and ponder if he should have bought a few "here and there". Coulda woulda shoulda, eh?
Link Posted: 4/4/2006 1:02:02 PM EDT
In 1984 my buddy paid $450 for a HK91 with a 30 round mag, 2 twenty round mags, a cleaning kit, the telestock and the fixed stock, the manual and a plastic case.
Link Posted: 4/4/2006 1:09:46 PM EDT
Does HK still make them?
Link Posted: 4/4/2006 1:10:13 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Sandman67:
Well shit, I just paid 3200.00 for a 91 with all the options.

I think I'm gonna go throw up



Wow... they go for that much now?

I bought an HK91 for $400 in 1984... used, but only one box of ammo had been run through it (I knew the guy). I sold it about 10 years later for $1000, thinking that I made a great deal. I wish I still had it.
Link Posted: 4/4/2006 1:14:12 PM EDT

Originally Posted By CRC:
Does HK still make them?




91 and 93 they don't make any more, and sold off the tooling suposivley. 94 sill lives on as an MP-5
Link Posted: 4/4/2006 1:52:05 PM EDT
From a 1983 issue of Combat Arms:

Link Posted: 4/4/2006 1:57:00 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/4/2006 2:19:57 PM EDT by julenissen]
Link Posted: 4/4/2006 2:07:59 PM EDT
I actually held a genuine PSG-1 in California, one time. It was 1989, and I was at the Turner's Outdoorsman in Riverside, CA on Tyler RD. Asking price was $1200.

I remember it was very heavy.
Link Posted: 4/4/2006 2:15:30 PM EDT
It must be nice to buy before the inflation for next to nothing....
Link Posted: 4/4/2006 2:16:45 PM EDT
For me at least, getting $400 back in 1985 was a lot harder than getting $2100 now.
Link Posted: 4/4/2006 3:23:58 PM EDT
Where are you guys seeing 91's for under 3k?
Link Posted: 4/4/2006 3:30:57 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Sandman67:
Where are you guys seeing 91's for under 3k?





80% of the H&K 91's I see posted for sale online ( basic rifle - 1 mag / obvious a ton of accessories drives up the price ) are priced around $1900-$2400.

gunbroker - auction arms - gunsamerica - sturmgewer etc

Where the heck are you looking ?
Link Posted: 4/4/2006 3:34:40 PM EDT

Originally Posted By motown_steve:

Originally Posted By GySgtD:
If memory serves, one of the dealer's at the Detroit Light Guard Armory (where I worked at my dad's tables) had HK 91's for sale for about $650 or so. Was close to purchasing one, but never could scrape together enough pennies. Got a mini-14 instead , which sold for about $250 new at the time.

This was about the '84 time frame...



Detroit Light Guard Armory??? That must have been...

"Bill Goodman's gun and knife show, call a buddy, bring a friend...this weekend at the light guard armory there will be guns, knives and military items of all kinds..."

I still remember those commercials. That jingle will be stuck in my head for the rest of my life.



OMG...you just brought back some of the happiest memories from my childhood! Whatever happened to Bill Goodmans shows? I know people were getting mad at paying out the nose for parking and entrance, so they started going to Gibralter Trade Center, but I still think BG was a great show!
Link Posted: 4/4/2006 3:34:55 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/4/2006 3:35:25 PM EDT by dolanp]
If you want a 91 check out the JLD PTR-91, they make a superb clone and IIRC they bought the original tooling from a HK plant in Europe (Portugal or something? Can't remember). They start at about $700.
Link Posted: 4/4/2006 3:38:46 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Johninaustin:
HK 93, in 1988 paid $780 with 6 mags NIB. The gunshop cut me a deal because it had been on the rack for so long. He was griping that he would never carry the darn things again.

I haven't shot the thing since around 2001. It's just not that good a weapon.




If you don't like that HK93 so much I will gladly take it off you hand for you. For $1,080 plus shipping. There was a guy here that bought a 93 a few weeks ago for $800.

I have the HK91,93and 94.

Paid $1,650 for the 91 in 1997 $2,000 for the 93 in 2003 and $2750 for the 94 in 2004

Dad paid $450 for his in 1982

Too bad he never got into HK sears or RR MP5s
Link Posted: 4/4/2006 3:45:23 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Unknown1Sailor:
I actually held a genuine PSG-1 in California, one time. It was 1989, and I was at the Turner's Outdoorsman in Riverside, CA on Tyler RD. Asking price was $1200.

I remember it was very heavy.



I mean absolutely no offense, but are you certain it was a PSG and not an SR9T or TC? That's what I paid for mine in mid ban, NIB.

IIRC, PSGs listed at 10K when they were first available, and they remain about here even now.


Again, no offense, I am just asking and not playing "look what I know."
Link Posted: 4/4/2006 3:46:32 PM EDT
I paid $995 for my HK 94, with retractable stock, in 1989. Bought it at Riley's Sport Shop in Hooksett, NH -
Link Posted: 4/4/2006 4:01:45 PM EDT

Originally Posted By CITADELGRAD87:

Originally Posted By Unknown1Sailor:
I actually held a genuine PSG-1 in California, one time. It was 1989, and I was at the Turner's Outdoorsman in Riverside, CA on Tyler RD. Asking price was $1200.

I remember it was very heavy.



I mean absolutely no offense, but are you certain it was a PSG and not an SR9T or TC? That's what I paid for mine in mid ban, NIB.

IIRC, PSGs listed at 10K when they were first available, and they remain about here even now.


Again, no offense, I am just asking and not playing "look what I know."




I might be wrong but when the PSG-1 first came out it was around $5,800 back in the mid 80s and climb to 10K in the 90's at the height of the ban they went up to 15K but now they sell for 14K
Two were just bought on HKpro.com this year.
Link Posted: 4/4/2006 4:27:37 PM EDT
I paid $504 for an HK94 with collapsible stock in 1985 from a gun shop in Detroit. Used all of the first paycheck from my first real full-time job to pay for it. Sold it about 1995 for about $1400. Dumbest thing I ever did.
Link Posted: 4/4/2006 5:32:27 PM EDT

80% of the H&K 91's I see posted for sale online ( basic rifle - 1 mag / obvious a ton of accessories drives up the price ) are priced around $1900-$2400.

gunbroker - auction arms - gunsamerica - sturmgewer etc

Where the heck are you looking ?



That would explain it. The one I brought came with 20 new in wrapper mags, a folding stock and a regular stock, bayonette, bipod, claw mount and a bunch of other stuff that is all genuine HK. I guess that puts it right around 3200, which is what I paid.
Link Posted: 4/4/2006 5:58:17 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/4/2006 6:00:14 PM EDT by GySgtD]

Originally Posted By WolfAmongSheep:


OMG...you just brought back some of the happiest memories from my childhood! Whatever happened to Bill Goodmans shows? I know people were getting mad at paying out the nose for parking and entrance, so they started going to Gibralter Trade Center, but I still think BG was a great show!



If memory serves, he changed the name of his shows in an attempt to stymie a lawsuit or two. At least, that was the rumor going around back around '87 or so.

I moved across the country in '85, and have no idea if his re-named shows met with any success.

Thinking back upon my early years, my times working my dad's tables at the Light Guard Armory were some of my fondest memories, as cheesy as that sounds. With the spectre of nuclear war still around, the survival movement was in its heydey, and the HK-91 was the icon of the times. Gun shows on Eight Mile Road were the cool place to be.

I got a kick out of Eminem making a movie about his life on Eight Mile. My Marines thought it was super cool that I dealed in guns there. Even had a "313" area code, heh.
Link Posted: 4/4/2006 6:07:23 PM EDT
Bought my 91 NIB for $633, including tax, in 1986 in WA. Sold it for $900 in Feb of 1994 because I thought I had orders to California where it was already banned. Orders got changed in July of 1994 to Colorado.

Bought a replacement in 2002 for $1800. Will never get rid of it if I have anything to say about it. Now if I can only figure out how to put an MSG-90 recoil buffer in a 91 stock....
Link Posted: 4/4/2006 7:35:52 PM EDT

Originally Posted By motown_steve:
What did these guns used to cost brand new?



$400 for a 91 or 93 and $650 for a 94.

I bought my first HK91 and 93 NIB for $800 around 1983 and remember feeling like a class A sucker. You could get a Colt AR-15 for about $300 then.

I also remember wanting a HK94 but not wanting to pay $650. I remember thinking I'd get one if they ever got down to around $500. They never did.

Here is what they looked like NIB.

Link Posted: 4/4/2006 7:39:47 PM EDT

Originally Posted By bullyforyou:

musta been nice living in a time when you could buy MG's and there were more semi-auto choices then just AR, AK, FAL, and M14...







it was sweet,
wish i had bought more than i did,,,,
Link Posted: 4/4/2006 7:41:16 PM EDT

Originally Posted By DeltaAir423:

Originally Posted By CRC:
Does HK still make them?




91 and 93 they don't make any more, and sold off the tooling suposivley. 94 sill lives on as an MP-5



HK discontinued the production of the 91, 93 and 94 in 1989 with the import ban as the 90 series was made exclusively for the US market.

HK contined to make the G3 (the 91 is the semi auto version), the 33 (the 93 is the semi auto version) and the MP5 (the 94 is the semi auto version). Recently HK discontined production of the G3 and 33.

They continue to make the MP5 but keep announcing their intentions to discontinue that as well.

They also still make the HK53 (a shorter MP5 size version of the 33).

And they still make the MSG90 and PSG1 which are both evolved sniper variants of the G3 platform.
Link Posted: 4/4/2006 7:42:49 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Unknown1Sailor:
I actually held a genuine PSG-1 in California, one time. It was 1989, and I was at the Turner's Outdoorsman in Riverside, CA on Tyler RD. Asking price was $1200.

I remember it was very heavy.



Time is right but when they were introduced they were about $5,500.
Link Posted: 4/4/2006 7:44:26 PM EDT

Originally Posted By CITADELGRAD87:

Originally Posted By Unknown1Sailor:
I actually held a genuine PSG-1 in California, one time. It was 1989, and I was at the Turner's Outdoorsman in Riverside, CA on Tyler RD. Asking price was $1200.

I remember it was very heavy.



I mean absolutely no offense, but are you certain it was a PSG and not an SR9T or TC? That's what I paid for mine in mid ban, NIB.

IIRC, PSGs listed at 10K when they were first available, and they remain about here even now.


Again, no offense, I am just asking and not playing "look what I know."



That would be my guess.
Link Posted: 4/4/2006 7:53:14 PM EDT
I remember them going for $385, but it only came with one magazine.
Link Posted: 4/4/2006 8:13:50 PM EDT
I payed $489 plus tax in 1986 for mine, but i only took home $200 a week.
Link Posted: 4/4/2006 8:22:33 PM EDT
1981 I bought a HK91 for $650, HK sent me a factory rebate check for $50. I used it to buy two mags.
Link Posted: 4/4/2006 8:45:11 PM EDT

Originally Posted By CITADELGRAD87:

Originally Posted By Unknown1Sailor:
I actually held a genuine PSG-1 in California, one time. It was 1989, and I was at the Turner's Outdoorsman in Riverside, CA on Tyler RD. Asking price was $1200.

I remember it was very heavy.



I mean absolutely no offense, but are you certain it was a PSG and not an SR9T or TC? That's what I paid for mine in mid ban, NIB.

IIRC, PSGs listed at 10K when they were first available, and they remain about here even now.


Again, no offense, I am just asking and not playing "look what I know."



It had the slick barrel, no irons, and had that free pistol style grip on it, and the adjustable stock. Had a very high power scope on the claw scope mount.

Might mave been that other one that H&K made the MSG? It's been a while.
Link Posted: 4/4/2006 8:50:04 PM EDT

Originally Posted By UZI4you:

Originally Posted By Johninaustin:
HK 93, in 1988 paid $780 with 6 mags NIB. The gunshop cut me a deal because it had been on the rack for so long. He was griping that he would never carry the darn things again.

I haven't shot the thing since around 2001. It's just not that good a weapon.




If you don't like that HK93 so much I will gladly take it off you hand for you. For $1,080 plus shipping. There was a guy here that bought a 93 a few weeks ago for $800.

I have the HK91,93and 94.

Paid $1,650 for the 91 in 1997 $2,000 for the 93 in 2003 and $2750 for the 94 in 2004

Dad paid $450 for his in 1982

Too bad he never got into HK sears or RR MP5s



This is funny as heck. Do you realize your post is the fourth offer I've had from this thread? WHY do people want to buy these things for so much? The AR is far superior.

I'll never sell it, it was my first duty rifle. (I stopped carrying the thing for work when the ban hit and the darn thing became worth more than the patrol car it was riding in)

Maybe I'll give it to my niece someday. She thinks it looks cool.

Now, you want to talk a GOOD HK rifle, take a look at the short lived semi-auto hunting rifles they had around the same time. Those I really wanted but could not find.
Link Posted: 4/4/2006 9:05:18 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/4/2006 9:09:50 PM EDT by SteyrAUG]

Originally Posted By Unknown1Sailor:

Originally Posted By CITADELGRAD87:

Originally Posted By Unknown1Sailor:
I actually held a genuine PSG-1 in California, one time. It was 1989, and I was at the Turner's Outdoorsman in Riverside, CA on Tyler RD. Asking price was $1200.

I remember it was very heavy.



I mean absolutely no offense, but are you certain it was a PSG and not an SR9T or TC? That's what I paid for mine in mid ban, NIB.

IIRC, PSGs listed at 10K when they were first available, and they remain about here even now.


Again, no offense, I am just asking and not playing "look what I know."



It had the slick barrel, no irons, and had that free pistol style grip on it, and the adjustable stock. Had a very high power scope on the claw scope mount.

Might mave been that other one that H&K made the MSG? It's been a while.



Well it wasn't a PSG1 or a MSG90, neither use a claw mount.

In addition both the PSG1 and MSG90 sold for much, much more than $1,200 when introduced.

The price sounds like a SR9TC which uses a PSG1 stock and pistol grip. It was the rifle used in the movie "Sniper" by Billy Zane's character and looks quite a bit like a PSG1.

The only problem is the irons which as far as I know all SR9 variants had, so did the MSG90. The only rifle I'm aware of that never had irons is the PSG1 but it never used a claw mount and it never sold for less than $5,000.
Link Posted: 4/4/2006 9:08:18 PM EDT

Originally Posted By SteyrAUG:

Originally Posted By motown_steve:
What did these guns used to cost brand new?



$400 for a 91 or 93 and $650 for a 94.

I bought my first HK91 and 93 NIB for $800 around 1983 and remember feeling like a class A sucker. You could get a Colt AR-15 for about $300 then.

I also remember wanting a HK94 but not wanting to pay $650. I remember thinking I'd get one if they ever got down to around $500. They never did.

Here is what they looked like NIB.

i4.photobucket.com/albums/y145/SteyrAUG/P1003027.jpg


my pants just got tight
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