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Posted: 4/3/2006 8:19:04 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/3/2006 8:21:11 PM EDT by AssaultRifler]
The strange case of the man who took 40,000 ecstasy pills in nine years

· Usage increased to 25 tablets a day at peak
· Memory problems and paranoia may be lasting

David McCandless
Tuesday April 4, 2006
The Guardian
http://www.guardian.co.uk/drugs/Story/0,,1746333,00.html?gusrc=rss

Doctors from London University have revealed details of what they believe is the largest amount of ecstasy ever consumed by a single person. Consultants from the addiction centre at St George's Medical School, London, have published a case report of a British man estimated to have taken around 40,000 pills of MDMA, the active ingredient in ecstasy, over nine years. The heaviest previous lifetime intake on record is 2,000 pills.

Though the man, who is now 37, stopped taking the drug seven years ago, he still suffers from severe physical and mental health side-effects, including extreme memory problems, paranoia, hallucinations and depression. He also suffers from painful muscle rigidity around his neck and jaw which often prevents him from opening his mouth. The doctors believe many of these symptoms may be permanent.

The man, known as Mr A in the report in the scientific journal Psychosomatics, started using ecstasy at 21. For the first two years his use was an average of five pills per weekend. Gradually this escalated until he was taking around three and a half pills a day. At the peak, the man was taking an estimated 25 pills every day for four years. After several severe collapses at parties, Mr A decided to stop taking ecstasy. For several months, he still felt he was under the influence of the drug, despite being bedridden.

Hallucinations

His condition deteriorated and he began to experience recurrent tunnel vision and other problems including hallucinations, paranoia and muscle rigidity. "He came to us after deciding that he couldn't go on any more," said Dr Christos Kouimtsidis, the consultant psychiatrist at St George's Medical School in Tooting who treated him for five months. "He was having trouble functioning in everyday life."

The doctors discovered that the man was suffering from severe short-term memory problems of a type usually only seen in lifetime alcoholics. But evaluating the full extent of his condition was difficult as his concentration and attention was so impaired he was unable to follow the simple tasks involved in the test.

"This was an exceptional case. His long- term memory was fine but he could not remember day to day things - the time, the day, what was in his supermarket trolley," said Dr Kouimtsidis. "More worryingly, he did not seem aware himself that he had these memory problems."

With no mental illness in his family and no prior psychiatric history, the doctors concluded that his unique condition was direct result of his intense ecstasy use.

"This is obviously an extreme case so we should not blow any observations out of proportion," says Dr Kouimtsidis. "But if this is what is happening to very heavy users, it might be an indication that daily use of ecstasy over a long period of time can lead to irreversible memory problems and other cognitive deficits."

For 10 years, MDMA has been suspected of causing these kinds of effects in heavy users. It is thought to be due to its disruption of the regulation of serotonin, a brain chemical believed to play a role in mood and memory. It remains unclear whether these effects are the result of permanent neurotoxic damage or just temporary reversible alterations in the brain.

A study today in a special MDMA issue of the British Journal of Psychopharmacology, suggests long-term side-effects may be temporary. The researchers from the University Of Louisiana could find no significant relationship between depression and recreational ecstasy use.

In the case of Mr A, a structural MRI brain scan failed to show any obvious damage or atrophy in his brain. However, these results, says Dr Kouimtsidis, are difficult to interpret. "A scan of this type is not sensitive enough," he said.

Such limitations in brain scanning technology, along with ethical and legal barriers to giving MDMA to human test subjects, have limited direct observation of the drug's effects in humans.

Instead, scientists have had to use recreational drug users as subjects in their studies. Conclusions from this are often flawed because few, if any, drugs users use ecstasy in isolation.

Cannabis user

Mr A was also a heavy cannabis user, and when he was encouraged to decrease his use, his paranoia and hallucinations disappeared and his anxiety abated. But his memory and concentration problems remained, leading the doctors to suspect that these may be permanent disabilities.

When he was admitted to a specialist brain injury unit and put on anti-psychotic medication, he did start to show some improvement. "Unfortunately, he discharged himself before we were able to complete the assessment," says Dr Kouimtsidis. "We continued to support him. But he started to use cannabis again and he dropped out. We tried to re-engage him but we lost him about a year ago."

The Guardian made several attempts to find the man without success.

Effects of ecstasy

MDMA is one the most intensely studied recreational drugs in history. But despite thousands of research papers and studies, scientific evidence on the side-effects remains inconclusive.

Death by overdose

Undoubtedly, large amounts of ecstasy can lead to over-heating which in turn, in rare cases, can trigger fatal heat stroke. Many factors contribute: number and strength of pills taken, environment, alcohol-consumption, body weight - but women seem more at risk. The bulk of ecstasy-related deaths around the world have been young women.

Water-poisoning

Panicking users, fearing they are overdosing, drink too much water and provoke hyponaetraemia (water-poisoning). Leah Betts died after drinking 14 pints in just 90 minutes. The recommended amount of water to drink per hour is one pint.

Toxic reactions

Much of the reports of toxic reactions are muddled with overdose or water-poisoning deaths. There is no clear evidence that some people suffer allergic reactions to ecstasy. However, around 10% of Western users do lack a key liver enzyme CYP2D6 needed to break down MDMA. This may make them more sensitive to the effects and more prone to accidental overdose.

Depression

Many weekend users report a mid-week mood dip. This is suspected to be related MDMA's effect on serotonin, but hard evidence is lacking. In heavy users, dips can turn to crashes and depression. However studies suggest this effect reverses after a 2-3 month abstinence.

Positive effects

Users still claim "long lasting improvements in self-awareness, self-esteem, openness and insight into personal problems", reports the study from the University Of Louisiana. In the US, research continues into the use of MDMA-assisted psychotherapy to treat Post Traumatic Stress Disorder.
Link Posted: 4/3/2006 8:20:01 PM EDT
drugs are bad mmmk...
Link Posted: 4/3/2006 8:22:31 PM EDT
People should have a right to be stupid on their own dime.
Link Posted: 4/3/2006 8:24:02 PM EDT
Yeah, I believe it too. I had a friend in college who popped that shit all the fucking time. She went from a real sweetie to being nearly brain dead, couldn't even hold a conversation with her at times. What a waste of a nice girl.

--VT
Link Posted: 4/3/2006 8:24:08 PM EDT
Taking 40,000 hits of just about any drug would probably have adverse effects.
Link Posted: 4/3/2006 8:25:22 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/3/2006 8:28:13 PM EDT by WildBoar]
Just dawned on me that X would be a handy weapon in the WOT.

Crop dust a "restive" city or town with X.
Fly over and drop hundreds of thousands of chem lights (glow sticks)
Have Psyop crank Techno at the town.

Mop up as they are comming down.

ETA holy crap it would work. Who will complain, the drug does not induce violence. We can say that we sprayed them with happy gas. Show lots of footage of smiling doped up terrorists doing that stupid raver thing witht eh glow sticks and say "see they are having a good time how bad can it be?"

Spray the city once a month just to be sure.
Link Posted: 4/3/2006 8:26:02 PM EDT
I had a man in one of my groups for a class project that was a "rehab" drug user.

Man was slow, speach was slurred, smelt of dead animals, and couldn't write worth a shit (this was an english class).

I saw him on a cops episode after the class ended and on that episode (filmed early 90's) he was very energetic, smooth talker, and looked kinda normal.

It's sad to see what drugs will do to someone.
Link Posted: 4/3/2006 8:33:48 PM EDT

Originally Posted By WildBoar:
Just dawned on me that X would be a handy weapon in the WOT.

Crop dust a "restive" city or town with X.
Fly over and drop hundreds of thousands of chem lights (glow sticks)
Have Psyop crank Techno at the town.

Mop up as they are comming down.

ETA holy crap it would work. Who will complain, the drug does not induce violence. We can say that we sprayed them with happy gas. Show lots of footage of smiling doped up terrorists doing that stupid raver thing witht eh glow sticks and say "see they are having a good time how bad can it be?"

Spray the city once a month just to be sure.



LSD was considered for use as a chemical weapon for a while there.
Link Posted: 4/3/2006 8:40:38 PM EDT
What would 40,000 asprin have done?
Link Posted: 4/3/2006 8:44:15 PM EDT

Originally Posted By raven:

Originally Posted By WildBoar:
Just dawned on me that X would be a handy weapon in the WOT.

Crop dust a "restive" city or town with X.
Fly over and drop hundreds of thousands of chem lights (glow sticks)
Have Psyop crank Techno at the town.

Mop up as they are comming down.

ETA holy crap it would work. Who will complain, the drug does not induce violence. We can say that we sprayed them with happy gas. Show lots of footage of smiling doped up terrorists doing that stupid raver thing witht eh glow sticks and say "see they are having a good time how bad can it be?"

Spray the city once a month just to be sure.



LSD was considered for use as a chemical weapon for a while there.



I think that was its original purpose.
Link Posted: 4/3/2006 8:45:43 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/3/2006 8:46:14 PM EDT by raven]

Originally Posted By WildBoar:

Originally Posted By raven:

Originally Posted By WildBoar:
Just dawned on me that X would be a handy weapon in the WOT.

Crop dust a "restive" city or town with X.
Fly over and drop hundreds of thousands of chem lights (glow sticks)
Have Psyop crank Techno at the town.

Mop up as they are comming down.

ETA holy crap it would work. Who will complain, the drug does not induce violence. We can say that we sprayed them with happy gas. Show lots of footage of smiling doped up terrorists doing that stupid raver thing witht eh glow sticks and say "see they are having a good time how bad can it be?"

Spray the city once a month just to be sure.



LSD was considered for use as a chemical weapon for a while there.



I think that was its original purpose.



LSD was discovered through research into migraine medicines derived from ergot fungus.
Link Posted: 4/3/2006 9:00:15 PM EDT
We've got to party with that guy some time.
Link Posted: 4/3/2006 9:03:13 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/3/2006 9:07:00 PM EDT by Johninaustin]

Originally Posted By Wobblin-Goblin:
People should have a right to be stupid on their own dime.



Here we go with this nonsense again. IT"S NOT HIS DIME AND NEVER WAS. Who do you think paid for all this treatment?

I have an overdose laying on a table art the morgue right now. He was also a heavy MJ user. His drug intervention file and criminal history goes back to age 14 (he's 38) His apartment looks like a rat's nest and smells worse.

Let's look at the cost just from his final OD.

EMS run with ACLS.
ER crash/trauma
ICU
Court ordered autopsy
Police response to handle the death scene.
Sheriff's response to inform his mother in another county.
County supplied burial when the family refuses to claim the corpse.
The landlord's expense to clean up his rat's nest and pretty much rebuild his apartment.

I'm willing to bet his "dime" comes to over 150K. The hospital he ended up at (Brackenridge Medical Center) wrote off 38 Million on these idiots last year.

On the bright side, the .gov no longer has to subsidize his health care, drug treatment, psych treatment, and food stamps.



Link Posted: 4/3/2006 9:04:14 PM EDT
looks like natural selection eeds to finish the job
Link Posted: 4/3/2006 9:07:39 PM EDT
There was an extensive study done by a professor of medicne at UChicago that found absolutely no ill health effects to the use of Ecstasy.

Yet the happy pills are banned.

Some logic, there.
Link Posted: 4/3/2006 9:09:54 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Tim84K10:
There was an extensive study done by a professor of medicne at UChicago that found absolutely no ill health effects to the use of Ecstasy.

Yet the happy pills are banned.

Some logic, there.



Great. YOU take the stuff. I don't care what some Professor's study says. You can see the results in a heavy user with your own eyes.

I suppose you need a study to tell you why you get wet when standing in the rain?
Link Posted: 4/3/2006 9:10:00 PM EDT
He's fried.

Max
Link Posted: 4/3/2006 9:18:17 PM EDT
Better living through chemicals. Some people are just too f-ing stupid.
Link Posted: 4/3/2006 9:26:49 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Johninaustin:
Great. YOU take the stuff. I don't care what some Professor's study says. You can see the results in a heavy user with your own eyes.

I suppose you need a study to tell you why you get wet when standing in the rain?



I have no interest in taking the stuff, but it's not my place to tell you what to do with your own body unless it affects me directly.

If you don't care what a highly educated medical doctor says about a substance, it is impossible for you to detirmine that it is harmful to anyone.

You can see the results in a heavy user with your own eyes? That's like saying you can tell if your oil needs changing by looking at it. 100% crap. How do you know the idiot isn't a drunk? How do you know he doesn't do crack or isn't an alcoholic? What qualifies you to say that you can see the effects of any substance on someone else's body if you're not around them 100% of the time?

www.maps.org/w3pb/new/2003/2003_tancer_6217_1.pdf
Link Posted: 4/3/2006 9:29:41 PM EDT
That’s enough X to fry an army.

What a moron.

You’ve gotta figure that the bathtub chemistry set that those are produced with has tons of impurities. Even if eve was totally harmless the impurities would still be enough to probably kill you.

I bet you that taking 1000 vitamin c tabs over four years would kill you.
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.
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That guy is really lucky (Then again, he might be better off if he croaked)
Link Posted: 4/3/2006 9:36:53 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Sub-MOA:


I bet you that taking 1000 vitamin c tabs over four years would kill you.





Not really, 4 years is 1400 or so days. That means you could skip 400 days of not taking a tablet, which would hurt you since it is a good idea to get a full daily value every 24 hours.
Link Posted: 4/3/2006 9:39:57 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Kamikazi:

Originally Posted By Sub-MOA:


I bet you that taking 1000 vitamin c tabs over four years would kill you.





Not really, 4 years is 1400 or so days. That means you could skip 400 days of not taking a tablet, which would hurt you since it is a good idea to get a full daily value every 24 hours.




Tell you what… you start a regimen of 5000 mg of vitamin c a day.

Call me when you get sick (I need a good laugh)

LD50: 11900 mg/kg
Half life of: 11 hours

If you make it a year I will be quite surprised.
Link Posted: 4/3/2006 9:40:23 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Tim84K10:

Originally Posted By Johninaustin:
Great. YOU take the stuff. I don't care what some Professor's study says. You can see the results in a heavy user with your own eyes.

I suppose you need a study to tell you why you get wet when standing in the rain?



I have no interest in taking the stuff, but it's not my place to tell you what to do with your own body unless it affects me directly.

If you don't care what a highly educated medical doctor says about a substance, it is impossible for you to detirmine that it is harmful to anyone.

You can see the results in a heavy user with your own eyes? That's like saying you can tell if your oil needs changing by looking at it. 100% crap. How do you know the idiot isn't a drunk? How do you know he doesn't do crack or isn't an alcoholic? What qualifies you to say that you can see the effects of any substance on someone else's body if you're not around them 100% of the time?

www.maps.org/w3pb/new/2003/2003_tancer_6217_1.pdf



Looked at your tax bill lately? Checked out how many ambulance runs your municipality did this week with these morons?

How much does your county spend on indigent health care? Not just emergency care, but EVERYTHING.

Ever had to wait in an ER because all the beds are taken by druggies? Ever had an ambulance's response time increased?

Taken a close look at your local coroner's budget? Ever checked the stats on causes of death in your area. (public knowledge, free for the reading)

Damn right it affects you directly. It's folly to think otherwise. But that's okay, someone did a "study"

If someone did a "Study" proving that jumping in front of a bus wasn't harmful, would you be hopping off the curb right now?
Link Posted: 4/3/2006 9:47:14 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Wombat_SCSO:
Better living through chemicals. Some people are just too f-ing stupid.



Hell yeah, that's why we need to abandon anti-biotics and painkillers!
Link Posted: 4/3/2006 9:48:16 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Sub-MOA:
Originally Posted By Kamikazi:
Originally Posted By Sub-MOA:

stuff




You made it sound like taking a common household vitamin C tablet would kill you by ingesting 1000 over 4 years.
Link Posted: 4/3/2006 9:50:46 PM EDT

Originally Posted By blacklisted:

Originally Posted By Wombat_SCSO:
Better living through chemicals. Some people are just too f-ing stupid.



Hell yeah, that's why we need to abandon anti-biotics and painkillers!



Ever taken 40K Vicodin?

I love the pro-druggie arguments. Great entertainment.

Link Posted: 4/3/2006 9:51:42 PM EDT

Originally Posted By blacklisted:

Originally Posted By Wombat_SCSO:
Better living through chemicals. Some people are just too f-ing stupid.



Hell yeah, that's why we need to abandon anti-biotics and painkillers!



Nah. Abandon Acetaminophen. It can destroy your liver with a mild overdose!
Link Posted: 4/3/2006 9:53:48 PM EDT
I bet if you ate 25 candy bars a day for nice years you would explode.....atleast this guys still alive.

BAN CANDY BARS!
Link Posted: 4/3/2006 9:56:06 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Kamikazi:

Originally Posted By Sub-MOA:
Originally Posted By Kamikazi:
Originally Posted By Sub-MOA:

stuff




You made it sound like taking a common household vitamin C tablet would kill you by ingesting 1000 over 4 years.



I suppose it would depend on the dose of the tabs... I take a big honking half gram tab every day (I’m a fruitaphobe)

If you took those at the same rate that “Mr. A” was taking ecstasy, you would eventually get very sick. If you took them for the duration that Mr. A took them at that rate, you would die.

Next time I will me more specific in my hair splitting.
Link Posted: 4/3/2006 10:03:11 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/3/2006 10:03:50 PM EDT by blacklisted]

Originally Posted By Tim84K10:

Originally Posted By blacklisted:

Originally Posted By Wombat_SCSO:
Better living through chemicals. Some people are just too f-ing stupid.



Hell yeah, that's why we need to abandon anti-biotics and painkillers!



Nah. Abandon Acetaminophen. It can destroy your liver with a mild overdose!



Let's get rid of prescription drugs, since all drugs are bad.
Link Posted: 4/3/2006 10:06:00 PM EDT

Originally Posted By blacklisted:

Originally Posted By Tim84K10:

Originally Posted By blacklisted:

Originally Posted By Wombat_SCSO:
Better living through chemicals. Some people are just too f-ing stupid.



Hell yeah, that's why we need to abandon anti-biotics and painkillers!



Nah. Abandon Acetaminophen. It can destroy your liver with a mild overdose!



Let's get rid of prescription drugs, since all drugs are bad.



All drugs are NOT bad, but druggies (and a good many libertarians) are dumber than a bag of carrots.
Link Posted: 4/3/2006 10:09:13 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/3/2006 10:10:15 PM EDT by blacklisted]

Originally Posted By Johninaustin:

Originally Posted By blacklisted:

Originally Posted By Tim84K10:

Originally Posted By blacklisted:

Originally Posted By Wombat_SCSO:
Better living through chemicals. Some people are just too f-ing stupid.



Hell yeah, that's why we need to abandon anti-biotics and painkillers!



Nah. Abandon Acetaminophen. It can destroy your liver with a mild overdose!



Let's get rid of prescription drugs, since all drugs are bad.



All drugs are NOT bad, but druggies (and a good many libertarians) are dumber than a bag of carrots.



Most druggies that I have met were dumber than the bag that holds the carrots!

Their dependence on these chemicals sicken me. This includes people addicted to smoking or painkillers.

But guess what? I'm a Libertarian and I support legalizing drugs.

The idiots will do them (and abuse them) regardless of whether or not they are legal.

Link Posted: 4/3/2006 10:16:23 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Johninaustin:

Originally Posted By Wobblin-Goblin:
People should have a right to be stupid on their own dime.



Here we go with this nonsense again. IT"S NOT HIS DIME AND NEVER WAS. Who do you think paid for all this treatment?

I have an overdose laying on a table art the morgue right now. He was also a heavy MJ user. His drug intervention file and criminal history goes back to age 14 (he's 38) His apartment looks like a rat's nest and smells worse.

Let's look at the cost just from his final OD.

EMS run with ACLS.
ER crash/trauma
ICU
Court ordered autopsy
Police response to handle the death scene.
Sheriff's response to inform his mother in another county.
County supplied burial when the family refuses to claim the corpse.
The landlord's expense to clean up his rat's nest and pretty much rebuild his apartment.

I'm willing to bet his "dime" comes to over 150K. The hospital he ended up at (Brackenridge Medical Center) wrote off 38 Million on these idiots last year.

On the bright side, the .gov no longer has to subsidize his health care, drug treatment, psych treatment, and food stamps.






What you fail to understand is, if .gov did away with ALL social programs TOMARROW, you will still be paying %50 of your gross income in taxes next week.

.gov is the biggest business in the world.
You think they will just give up all that cash??

No fuckin way, aint gonna happen.
I would rather a dumb fuck, like the one were talking about, get the $$$
instead of a politician getting it and spending a week in Cancun with his girlie of the month.

The money is gonna go somewere, and you will pay it, reguardless.
That aint gonna change. So why worry they spend it on a dumb fuck? You wont pay any less if they hadent!
Link Posted: 4/3/2006 10:18:46 PM EDT

Originally Posted By WildBoar:
Just dawned on me that X would be a handy weapon in the WOT.

Crop dust a "restive" city or town with X.
Fly over and drop hundreds of thousands of chem lights (glow sticks)
Have Psyop crank Techno at the town.

Mop up as they are comming down.

ETA holy crap it would work. Who will complain, the drug does not induce violence. We can say that we sprayed them with happy gas. Show lots of footage of smiling doped up terrorists doing that stupid raver thing witht eh glow sticks and say "see they are having a good time how bad can it be?"

Spray the city once a month just to be sure.




I'd have to dig out my old notes to find out exactly who , but MDMA was stumbled upon by a doctor in Germany who was working on a war drug for Hitler . He was giving folks between
200 and 500mg.
Link Posted: 4/3/2006 10:24:13 PM EDT
That's hard to believe. Not the part about him being retarded, but the overall amount.

40,000. Drugs aren't free. To my understanding they are expensive.

Which one of you dirtbags know how much a hit of Ecstasy costs? Do the math. This guy, with all his massive drug use had money or time to make money to pay for all of it?

I'm not sure of how much what drugs cost what, maybe I'm wrong, but that seems like it would be alot of money.
Link Posted: 4/3/2006 10:24:15 PM EDT

Originally Posted By SgtSwat:

Originally Posted By WildBoar:
Just dawned on me that X would be a handy weapon in the WOT.

Crop dust a "restive" city or town with X.
Fly over and drop hundreds of thousands of chem lights (glow sticks)
Have Psyop crank Techno at the town.

Mop up as they are comming down.

ETA holy crap it would work. Who will complain, the drug does not induce violence. We can say that we sprayed them with happy gas. Show lots of footage of smiling doped up terrorists doing that stupid raver thing witht eh glow sticks and say "see they are having a good time how bad can it be?"

Spray the city once a month just to be sure.




I'd have to dig out my old notes to find out exactly who , but MDMA was stumbled upon by a doctor in Germany who was working on a war drug for Hitler . He was giving folks between
200 and 500mg.



Wasn't that some sort of amphetamine? I believe that amphetamine is a precursor of MDMA.
Link Posted: 4/3/2006 10:40:46 PM EDT
Whatever, I read an entire NYT Science times article about how Scientists who got grants from the GOv't would just come to conclusions (fudge the numbers) that the Gov't wanted to hear. Turns out all the X research done was 100% false. Those so called "scans" showing "huge holes" in your brain were nothing more than a colorized scan of Dopamine activity in the brain regions. I dont take extacy never will but for all those who complain about a "cost to society" well Spending trillions on a fruitless war is just wasting MORE money! Putting people in Jail costs what? 60,000 a year? WE might as well just cut'em a 60,000 dollar check to feed their habit. Plus if you wanna take that logic, look at all the costs of Overweight people! How much is our healthcare system (broken anyway) strained by Fattie Arbuckle getting diabetes? How bout we ban Mcdonalds and table salt!
Link Posted: 4/3/2006 11:15:53 PM EDT

Originally Posted By AssaultRifler:
At the peak, the man was taking an estimated 25 pills every day for four years.



No, he wasn't.
Link Posted: 4/3/2006 11:17:43 PM EDT

Originally Posted By blacklisted:

Originally Posted By SgtSwat:

Originally Posted By WildBoar:
Just dawned on me that X would be a handy weapon in the WOT.

Crop dust a "restive" city or town with X.
Fly over and drop hundreds of thousands of chem lights (glow sticks)
Have Psyop crank Techno at the town.

Mop up as they are comming down.

ETA holy crap it would work. Who will complain, the drug does not induce violence. We can say that we sprayed them with happy gas. Show lots of footage of smiling doped up terrorists doing that stupid raver thing witht eh glow sticks and say "see they are having a good time how bad can it be?"

Spray the city once a month just to be sure.




I'd have to dig out my old notes to find out exactly who , but MDMA was stumbled upon by a doctor in Germany who was working on a war drug for Hitler . He was giving folks between
200 and 500mg.



Wasn't that some sort of amphetamine? I believe that amphetamine is a precursor of MDMA.



Corret, methamphetamine, minus the methylenedioxy.
Link Posted: 4/3/2006 11:19:00 PM EDT
That's focked up.

But if you smoke a pack a day for 20 years, that's 146,000 cigs.
Link Posted: 4/4/2006 3:54:34 AM EDT

Originally Posted By rmstrjim:

Originally Posted By AssaultRifler:
At the peak, the man was taking an estimated 25 pills every day for four years.



No, he wasn't.



So you know something the researchers don't know, maybe you'll get published in the in the scientific journal Psychosomatics too.l
Link Posted: 4/4/2006 3:56:28 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/4/2006 3:56:53 AM EDT by AssaultRifler]

Originally Posted By mattja:
That's focked up.

But if you smoke a pack a day for 20 years, that's 146,000 cigs.




40,000 cigarettes is a pack a day for 2000 days, just under 6 years, cigarettes won't fry your brain that way nor guarantee you get lung cancer either.

Link Posted: 4/4/2006 7:28:22 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/4/2006 7:29:02 AM EDT by WS4LIF]

Which one of you dirtbags know how much a hit of Ecstasy costs?


$20 a pill...$15 if you get them in bulk.

$800,000 for 40,000 pills.....NICE investment
Link Posted: 4/4/2006 7:34:37 AM EDT
ijit
Link Posted: 4/4/2006 7:37:53 AM EDT

Originally Posted By KillAgain:
That's hard to believe. Not the part about him being retarded, but the overall amount.

40,000. Drugs aren't free. To my understanding they are expensive.

Which one of you dirtbags know how much a hit of Ecstasy costs? Do the math. This guy, with all his massive drug use had money or time to make money to pay for all of it?

I'm not sure of how much what drugs cost what, maybe I'm wrong, but that seems like it would be alot of money.



At the $15-20 per hit figure posted above, at his worst this guy was doing $375 to $500 per day in Ecstasy. Lot of money, but have you ever heard of a $1,000/day coke habit? I find this level of use plausible.
Link Posted: 4/4/2006 7:40:00 AM EDT
[Red Foreman] Dumbass [/Red Foreman]

Kharn
Link Posted: 4/4/2006 7:46:42 AM EDT
I'm just completely stunned by the alleged quantity that this guy took. Holy crap. And the $$ it had to cost.

I guess I shouldn't be surprised by things like this. There is always someone at the extreme ends of the spectrum. When I was a kid working at a deli, we had a customer who bought a case of Rheingold EVERY DAY that he drank by himself. All of it. Every day. Never seemed buzzed, either. Now that I think about it, he may have only had a 6-pack or 2 on Sundays...
Link Posted: 4/4/2006 7:47:59 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Sub-MOA:

Originally Posted By Kamikazi:

Originally Posted By Sub-MOA:


I bet you that taking 1000 vitamin c tabs over four years would kill you.





Not really, 4 years is 1400 or so days. That means you could skip 400 days of not taking a tablet, which would hurt you since it is a good idea to get a full daily value every 24 hours.




Tell you what… you start a regimen of 5000 mg of vitamin c a day.

Call me when you get sick (I need a good laugh)

LD50: 11900 mg/kg
Half life of: 11 hours

If you make it a year I will be quite surprised.



Taking too much of anything will kill you. If you were to drink 55 times the recomended allowance of water (the same multiple of the Vit C allowance you quoted) you would suffer hyponatrimia and die.
Link Posted: 4/4/2006 7:48:57 AM EDT

Originally Posted By WS4LIF:

Which one of you dirtbags know how much a hit of Ecstasy costs?


$20 a pill...$15 if you get them in bulk.

$800,000 for 40,000 pills.....NICE investment


Where did he get the money from?
Link Posted: 4/4/2006 7:54:44 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Johninaustin:

Looked at your tax bill lately? Checked out how many ambulance runs your municipality did this week with these morons?

How much does your county spend on indigent health care? Not just emergency care, but EVERYTHING.

Ever had to wait in an ER because all the beds are taken by druggies? Ever had an ambulance's response time increased?

Taken a close look at your local coroner's budget? Ever checked the stats on causes of death in your area. (public knowledge, free for the reading)

Damn right it affects you directly. It's folly to think otherwise. But that's okay, someone did a "study"

If someone did a "Study" proving that jumping in front of a bus wasn't harmful, would you be hopping off the curb right now?



(I can't believe I'm about to do this but) I agree 100% with Johninaustin. I could go into countless personal examples in dealing with druggies but I don't think there is enough memory on ARFCOM's.
Link Posted: 4/4/2006 7:57:18 AM EDT

Originally Posted By j-fonz:

Originally Posted By WS4LIF:

Which one of you dirtbags know how much a hit of Ecstasy costs?


$20 a pill...$15 if you get them in bulk.

$800,000 for 40,000 pills.....NICE investment


Where did he get the money from?



They don't say in the article, but I would conclude that he was also a low-level dealer, selling half of his supply to pay for the other half and cover the next dealer up.
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