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Posted: 4/3/2006 7:39:02 PM EDT
Watch the Penn & Teller Bullshit! episode on recycling to see just how much of a steaming crock the whole government subsidized industry is.


www.azcentral.com/news/articles/0403recycling0403.html

Recycling violators face a crash course in trash

Lynh Bui
The Arizona Republic
Apr. 3, 2006 12:00 AM

Rogue recyclers in Avondale could end up in recycling school.

The city is developing a program similar to driving school to decrease the amount of garbage that ends up in blue recycling bins.

Residents who get a ticket from Avondale's sanitation department could opt to attend recycling school to lower fines, which could add up to $445 with court fees.

"To some people, it's just another garbage can," said Janet Stewart, head of the city's sanitation and recycling department.

Some residents regularly dump animal waste, diapers and other non-recyclable garbage into the containers, she said. One person even threw a lawn mower into a recycling can.

It's a problem that could start costing the city money and lead to higher sanitation fees.

The city ships tons of material collected from blue bins to a processing plant in Glendale. Because workers at the plant hand-sort the contents, Glendale has the power to fine Avondale when garbage "contaminates" more than 18 percent of the material.

The city has exceeded that limit for two years but hasn't been fined yet, said Avondale sanitation inspector Javier Machuca, who attributed the rise in bad recyclers to the number of out-of-state residents moving here.

"Some people from the East Coast are used to recycling grass and fabric," Machuca said. "But we can't take all of that."

Glendale audits the city's recycling load every three months. The latest audit shows garbage made up 25.5 percent of Avondale's recycling batch in March, down about 9 percent from a December audit.

Although the numbers are improving, city officials want them to go down even more. They hope the recycling school will curb the problem.

Details of the class aren't clear yet, but it could run for about an hour and include a video.

"We're stiffing up on people," Stewart said, "but we also want to make sure people are educated."
Link Posted: 4/3/2006 7:40:21 PM EDT
Maybe people should just go back to either burning it or throwing it all in the garbage.
Link Posted: 4/3/2006 7:41:49 PM EDT
Link Posted: 4/3/2006 7:43:26 PM EDT
We just put all our trash in grocery bags and throw it out the window on the highway; cuts down on the headaches.
Link Posted: 4/3/2006 7:44:33 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/3/2006 7:45:52 PM EDT by clement]
Yeah what a load of crap that is. My rule of thumb is, unless I get a deposit, it goes in the trash. It just pisses me off I have to pay a deposit fee in the first place, I remember when we wernt charged (and yes I returned them back then), there is no way it is encouraging anyone to recycle that material, just a way for the govt to squeeze more money out of us.
Link Posted: 4/3/2006 7:45:33 PM EDT

up to $445 with court fees



Link Posted: 4/3/2006 7:52:14 PM EDT

Originally Posted By TravisM1:
Maybe people should just go back to either burning it or throwing it all in the garbage river.




Link Posted: 4/3/2006 7:52:30 PM EDT
Why can't people just use the recycling bins for what they're intended for: recyclable materials.
Link Posted: 4/3/2006 7:55:40 PM EDT
I don't recycle, if I pay a deposit I may return it, but I may also fill the container with water and blow it up with a firearm.....



Fuck'em, I see no reason for me to waste time, effort, and money on recycling when I then get to watc the garbage truck just throw it all into the same hopper
Link Posted: 4/3/2006 8:00:57 PM EDT
22.5%? By weight or volume? What a crock of crap. (pun intended).

They go 'stiffing up on people' ...somebody may take exception to 'stiffing up' on them.
Link Posted: 4/3/2006 8:02:08 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/3/2006 8:02:31 PM EDT by hanau]
I think that most stuff that is recycled is cans and plastic bottles.why don't they just charge a dime deposit and that would save a lot of landfill space.also less would be thrown out car windows.

i remember growing up and saving soda bottles for spare change.
Link Posted: 4/3/2006 8:08:13 PM EDT
Just another case of government forgetting they are supposed to be serving the people.
Link Posted: 4/3/2006 8:23:07 PM EDT
I can see not wanting to bother with recycling and just tossing stuff in the trash can. We've got recycling and of course it is a joke, but I toss the obvious recycling stuff in the recycling bin and everything else in the trash.

Putting trash in the recycling is just plain wrong. I think a recycling school would definitely be in order.
Link Posted: 4/3/2006 8:37:16 PM EDT
Burn it or bury it.
Link Posted: 4/3/2006 9:03:35 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/3/2006 9:06:22 PM EDT by pv74]
The compasionate side of this conservative is kicking in

And I have to disagree

Recycling makes sense.

It saves landfill space, energy, and finite natural resources. I don't have a problem with that.

I think the fines are a damned good idea. People should also be fined for putting recylables in the garbage.


They wash and re-use glass bottles here in Korea, just like they did in the states 30 years ago. Beer, Soda, Soju...they are all re-used. Some of the bottles must be 20 years or older. Wy start with virgin materials everytime for a bottle of beer or soda ?

Link Posted: 4/3/2006 9:33:48 PM EDT
Link Posted: 4/3/2006 10:13:36 PM EDT

Originally Posted By -brass-:



I am sure that in ARIZONA, somebody could find WORKERS to do this task at a discount rate.



Link Posted: 4/3/2006 10:17:20 PM EDT
government: "I Control You"
Link Posted: 4/3/2006 10:17:31 PM EDT

Originally Posted By pv74:
The compasionate side of this conservative is kicking in

And I have to disagree

Recycling makes sense.

It saves landfill space, energy, and finite natural resources. I don't have a problem with that.

I think the fines are a damned good idea. People should also be fined for putting recylables in the garbage.


They wash and re-use glass bottles here in Korea, just like they did in the states 30 years ago. Beer, Soda, Soju...they are all re-used. Some of the bottles must be 20 years or older. Wy start with virgin materials everytime for a bottle of beer or soda ?




I had a long reply worked up in my head, but I'm just too tired right now. Watch P&T's Bullshit episode on recycling. It might make you reconsider some of that.
Link Posted: 4/4/2006 4:02:17 AM EDT
Penn & Teller's Bullshit! had a good epsisode on recycling, they gave some unsuspecting volunteers like 8 different recycling bins to put various stuff in, was hilarious
Link Posted: 4/4/2006 4:07:41 AM EDT

Originally Posted By SubnetMask:

Originally Posted By pv74:
The compasionate side of this conservative is kicking in

And I have to disagree

Recycling makes sense.

It saves landfill space, energy, and finite natural resources. I don't have a problem with that.

I think the fines are a damned good idea. People should also be fined for putting recylables in the garbage.


They wash and re-use glass bottles here in Korea, just like they did in the states 30 years ago. Beer, Soda, Soju...they are all re-used. Some of the bottles must be 20 years or older. Wy start with virgin materials everytime for a bottle of beer or soda ?




I had a long reply worked up in my head, but I'm just too tired right now. Watch P&T's Bullshit episode on recycling. It might make you reconsider some of that.



Link to the video?
Link Posted: 4/4/2006 4:10:02 AM EDT
I believe in recycling, and my area recycles pretty heavily. Its a matter of educating people what can be properly recycled in that area, and if they persist in doing it improperly, they SHOULD be fined because they are wilfully ignoring the instructions.

Those of you who burn everything, especially where recycling is in place, I just don't understand you guys. You are releasing all kinds of harmful contaminants into the air when you are burning plastics; the metal doesn't just go away, it winds up as a pile of burnt metal; and the odor has to be incredibly bad.
Link Posted: 4/4/2006 4:20:03 AM EDT
My city tried forcing us to recycling, saying it would give the landfill owners another 10-15% in life of the landfills. The landfill owners went out and got new business from Canada.

So it is optional now. I dont do it.
Link Posted: 4/4/2006 4:29:06 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Gloftoe:
See? This is why all my trash...goes in the TRASH.

+1. I think my garbage company picks up recycling, but I've never been told the method for it, so I just toss everything.

Kharn
Link Posted: 4/4/2006 4:31:37 AM EDT
$445 in fines for improper recycling while guys like Muhammed Attah & Co.
roam the streets unchecked. Nucking Futs
Link Posted: 4/4/2006 4:52:18 AM EDT

Originally Posted By tc556guy:
I believe in recycling, and my area recycles pretty heavily. Its a matter of educating people what can be properly recycled in that area, and if they persist in doing it improperly, they SHOULD be fined because they are wilfully ignoring the instructions.

Those of you who burn everything, especially where recycling is in place, I just don't understand you guys. You are releasing all kinds of harmful contaminants into the air when you are burning plastics; the metal doesn't just go away, it winds up as a pile of burnt metal; and the odor has to be incredibly bad.



Yes, you will do what the .gov tells you or we will take your money.

Once we (the gov) make everything illegal, we can control your whole life.


Cop 1: Hey, this guy ain't recycling, let's go in his house and see what else he ain't doing. Cop2: Why not, we now have evidence of a crime here, let's check and see if it's a conspiracy.

Cop1: Good thing we can get around that pesky 4th amendment now.

Cop2 Hahahahaha. WE RULE!

TXL
Link Posted: 4/4/2006 4:59:19 AM EDT

Originally Posted By TxLewis:
Yes, you will do what the .gov tells you or we will take your money.

Once we (the gov) make everything illegal, we can control your whole life.


Cop 1: Hey, this guy ain't recycling, let's go in his house and see what else he ain't doing. Cop2: Why not, we now have evidence of a crime here, let's check and see if it's a conspiracy.

Cop1: Good thing we can get around that pesky 4th amendment now.

Cop2 Hahahahaha. WE RULE!

TXL



Loosen up the tinfoil already.
Link Posted: 4/4/2006 5:04:50 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Throttle-Junkie:
We just put all our trash in grocery bags and throw it out the window on the highway; cuts down on the headaches.





Yep. I go over to Min. to do that so my taxes keep from getting even higher
Link Posted: 4/4/2006 5:12:33 AM EDT



isn't it nice when these programs become mandatory?


Link Posted: 4/4/2006 5:16:29 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Throttle-Junkie:
We just put all our trash in grocery bags and throw it out the window on the highway; cuts down on the headaches.





I throw mine in the lake in the state game area. The ducks don't seem to mind.
Link Posted: 4/4/2006 6:15:56 AM EDT

Originally Posted By pv74:
People should also be fined for putting recylables in the garbage.



You know what? My garbage is my garbage. If I want to take the time to rinse out all of my cans and bottles, sort them, bag them separately (and since I live in an apartment, space is limited), and go out of my way to find a recycling center, I can do that.

But, if I want to throw my garbage in the trash can, I think I've got that right. I paid for whatever I'm throwing away and I pay for the trash company to come pick it up. If you want to sort out my trash, wash it, separate it, bag it, and take it to the recycling center, feel free to IM me and we can set up an appointment.

-James
Link Posted: 4/4/2006 6:37:29 AM EDT
I have a solution for theese guys. Just have the garbage company pick up all the recycling and throw it in the garbage with the rest of the trash. Problem solved. No sense in wasting money
Link Posted: 4/4/2006 6:40:04 AM EDT

Originally Posted By 1BMF:

Originally Posted By TravisM1:
Maybe people should just go back to either burning it or throwing it all in the garbage river.







The Iraqis and East Africans do that and they have simply lovely countries.
Link Posted: 4/4/2006 6:44:06 AM EDT
San Jose is having that roblem. Turns out after 2 years they figured out that people will throw trash in the recycle bins instead of paying for the larger garbage can. Small can is around $20. 50% larger one is around $40. 2 years of research to figure out people in poor areas do not want to spend an extra $20 a month.

They also found that some of California's "out-of-state residents " will grab all the recycles that are worth money (can & bottles) and use the bins as a trash can.
Link Posted: 4/4/2006 7:51:58 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/4/2006 7:53:52 AM EDT by pv74]

Originally Posted By Meta4:

Originally Posted By pv74:
People should also be fined for putting recylables in the garbage.



You know what? My garbage is my garbage. If I want to take the time to rinse out all of my cans and bottles, sort them, bag them separately (and since I live in an apartment, space is limited), and go out of my way to find a recycling center, I can do that.

But, if I want to throw my garbage in the trash can, I think I've got that right. I paid for whatever I'm throwing away and I pay for the trash company to come pick it up. If you want to sort out my trash, wash it, separate it, bag it, and take it to the recycling center, feel free to IM me and we can set up an appointment.

-James



How would you like a new landfill in your backyard?

In some U.S. cities, it is your obligation to make sure no recylables are in your garbage.. or you get fined...

I don't see what the big deal is...if you are that lazy don't rinse the cans...just throw them in the recyling bin...

and NO...I don't want to waste my time sorting through YOUR stinky ass garbage...

Link Posted: 4/4/2006 7:53:47 AM EDT

Originally Posted By SWS:
Why can't people just use the recycling bins for what they're intended for: recyclable materials.


Why should I?

Why should the enduser be resonsible for something that can easily be done at the central processing location.
Link Posted: 4/4/2006 7:56:09 AM EDT

Originally Posted By TheCynic:

Originally Posted By SWS:
Why can't people just use the recycling bins for what they're intended for: recyclable materials.


Why should I?

Why should the enduser be resonsible for something that can easily be done at the central processing location.



Sheesh... it takes what...five seconds for you to throw the empty can of beans into the recycling bin?

It's not like you are being asked to do something of monumental proportions
Link Posted: 4/4/2006 7:58:07 AM EDT
My city allows one 36 gallon trash container per week and as much recycling as you can muster. Anything over the one, you pay extra for (the one + recycling costs $208/year.) If your container is larger than 36 gallons and is only 1/2 full, they won't touch it. I had to buy a new trash barrel and have two 45 gallon ones that do nothing but sit in my garage empty...
Recycling Nazis are almost as bad as reformed smokers.

Link Posted: 4/4/2006 8:01:09 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/4/2006 8:01:39 AM EDT by TheCynic]

Originally Posted By pv74:
Sheesh... it takes what...five seconds for you to throw the empty can of beans into the recycling bin?

It's not like you are being asked to do something of monumental proportions


It is a matter of principal. If recycling was such a lucrative business, the local municipalities would be begging for my trash so they could make some extra cash. Since it is not worth it to the municipalities to handle recycling themselves, then it is not worth it to me.

I think that you've got the Smug.
Link Posted: 4/4/2006 8:12:12 AM EDT

Originally Posted By TxLewis:

Originally Posted By tc556guy:
I believe in recycling, and my area recycles pretty heavily. Its a matter of educating people what can be properly recycled in that area, and if they persist in doing it improperly, they SHOULD be fined because they are wilfully ignoring the instructions.

Those of you who burn everything, especially where recycling is in place, I just don't understand you guys. You are releasing all kinds of harmful contaminants into the air when you are burning plastics; the metal doesn't just go away, it winds up as a pile of burnt metal; and the odor has to be incredibly bad.



Yes, you will do what the .gov tells you or we will take your money.

Once we (the gov) make everything illegal, we can control your whole life.


Cop 1: Hey, this guy ain't recycling, let's go in his house and see what else he ain't doing. Cop2: Why not, we now have evidence of a crime here, let's check and see if it's a conspiracy.

Cop1: Good thing we can get around that pesky 4th amendment now.

Cop2 Hahahahaha. WE RULE!

TXL




yes- so we should NOT do ANYTHING the .gov tells us

I recycle- why not- one more can for my kids to use at a later date. Or one more can to be made into a bullet for King Bushes illegal war...oh wait- started thinking like a Dem there...

its not real tough to do. The thing that bugs me is that we dont get any credit$ for all the crap we give them.
Link Posted: 4/4/2006 8:15:11 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/4/2006 8:24:21 AM EDT by tc556guy]

Originally Posted By TheCynic:

It is a matter of principal. If recycling was such a lucrative business, the local municipalities would be begging for my trash so they could make some extra cash. Since it is not worth it to the municipalities to handle recycling themselves, then it is not worth it to me.




What do you mean "handle it themselves"? The recycling here IS overseen by the county; we have curbside pickup and monies earned from recycling goes to the general fund.
Link Posted: 4/4/2006 8:16:58 AM EDT

Originally Posted By TheCynic:

Originally Posted By pv74:
Sheesh... it takes what...five seconds for you to throw the empty can of beans into the recycling bin?

It's not like you are being asked to do something of monumental proportions


It is a matter of principal. If recycling was such a lucrative business, the local municipalities would be begging for my trash so they could make some extra cash. Since it is not worth it to the municipalities to handle recycling themselves, then it is not worth it to me.

I think that you've got the Smug.



Someday I'll get up off this der couch- till then I'll wash myself with a rag on a stick..
Link Posted: 4/4/2006 8:20:07 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Gloftoe:
See? This is why all my trash...goes in the TRASH.



+1
Link Posted: 4/4/2006 8:35:14 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/4/2006 8:35:57 AM EDT by pv74]

Originally Posted By TheCynic:

Originally Posted By pv74:
Sheesh... it takes what...five seconds for you to throw the empty can of beans into the recycling bin?

It's not like you are being asked to do something of monumental proportions


It is a matter of principal. If recycling was such a lucrative business, the local municipalities would be begging for my trash so they could make some extra cash. Since it is not worth it to the municipalities to handle recycling themselves, then it is not worth it to me.

I think that you've got the Smug.



Well.... I do drive an F-150 4X4...

Still...

off to the re-education camp uhm recycling school for you
Link Posted: 4/4/2006 8:42:52 AM EDT
12-40 million undocumented "visitors" have very good trash etiquette. Ever been to Mexico and seen how they learned this discipline? Some of you guys joke about throwing it out the window or into the creek, but that's SOP south of the border. Sorry, I forgot, our southern border is now with Guatemala.

The gov fining you and sending you to re-education class; what a surprise. With eminent domain they allow you the illusion of ownership until the bean counters decide your illusion doesn't generate enough revenue for the socialist utopia that they are forcing up your ass.

Link Posted: 4/4/2006 8:48:39 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Captain_Picard:
12-40 million undocumented "visitors" have very good trash etiquette. Ever been to Mexico and seen how they learned this discipline? Some of you guys joke about throwing it out the window or into the creek, but that's SOP south of the border. Sorry, I forgot, our southern border is now with Guatemala.

The gov fining you and sending you to re-education class; what a surprise. With eminent domain they allow you the illusion of ownership until the bean counters decide your illusion doesn't generate enough revenue for the socialist utopia that they are forcing up your ass.




Dude...I agree with your post...but with your login name...I dunno...the irony is frightening!
Link Posted: 4/4/2006 9:01:32 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/4/2006 9:03:29 AM EDT by clement]

Originally Posted By tc556guy:

Originally Posted By TheCynic:

It is a matter of principal. If recycling was such a lucrative business, the local municipalities would be begging for my trash so they could make some extra cash. Since it is not worth it to the municipalities to handle recycling themselves, then it is not worth it to me.




What do you mean "handle it themselves"? The recycling here IS overseen by the county; we have curbside pickup and monies earned from recycling goes to the general fund.



Monies earned? HA! NY has lost money every single year since we started recycling. The only monies they are earning recycling is from your tax dollars paying for something that costs more money and energy than it saves.
Link Posted: 4/4/2006 9:05:02 AM EDT
Link Posted: 4/4/2006 9:08:12 AM EDT
Link Posted: 4/4/2006 9:09:25 AM EDT

Originally Posted By PlaymoreMinds:

Originally Posted By Captain_Picard:
12-40 million undocumented "visitors" have very good trash etiquette. Ever been to Mexico and seen how they learned this discipline? Some of you guys joke about throwing it out the window or into the creek, but that's SOP south of the border. Sorry, I forgot, our southern border is now with Guatemala.

The gov fining you and sending you to re-education class; what a surprise. With eminent domain they allow you the illusion of ownership until the bean counters decide your illusion doesn't generate enough revenue for the socialist utopia that they are forcing up your ass.




Dude...I agree with your post...but with your login name...I dunno...the irony is frightening!



Your right! I didn't even think about that.

I bear no true life resemblance to Picard (we are both bald though) who played a french elitist socialist living in a futuristic utopia. You have to remember that Patrick Stewart has played some serious bad asses (with excellent diction of course) such as in the X-men and, showing my age, Sejanus, commander of the Pretorian Guards in "I Claudius".

Now back to Trash Talk.

Link Posted: 4/4/2006 9:13:57 AM EDT
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