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Posted: 4/3/2006 8:37:32 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/3/2006 8:37:57 AM EDT by sherrick13]
Link Posted: 4/3/2006 8:44:34 AM EDT
too bad the French weren't used in WW2.
Link Posted: 4/3/2006 8:45:54 AM EDT
what would the french know about fighting WWII? they were out of the game in the first quarter
Link Posted: 4/3/2006 8:46:05 AM EDT

Originally Posted By sherrick13:

According to the French the Winchester lever action was used in WWII




How would they know?
Link Posted: 4/3/2006 8:47:24 AM EDT
We used the Glock 20 in WWII as well did we not?
Link Posted: 4/3/2006 8:50:29 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Napoleon_Tanerite:
what would the french know about fighting WWII? they were out of the game in the first quarter before the coin toss.



fixed
Link Posted: 4/3/2006 8:51:20 AM EDT
According to the cover of the Great Raid, we also used a Berreta 92.
Link Posted: 4/3/2006 8:53:23 AM EDT
I believe, however, that the Russians did use a lever action winchester to supplement their forces in WWI. I was a magazine fed version to allow the use of spitzer bullets.
Link Posted: 4/3/2006 8:54:33 AM EDT
Winchester got a Military contract in WWII for the mod. 94 It was used in the US for guard duty, Possibly out West.
Link Posted: 4/3/2006 8:56:38 AM EDT
Link Posted: 4/3/2006 8:58:06 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Melvinator2k0:
According to the cover of the Great Raid, we also used a Berreta 92.



That and the Glock 20 wound up in WWII after the USS Nimitz went back in time and tried to stop the attack on Pearl Harbor.
Link Posted: 4/3/2006 9:05:58 AM EDT
Just another news article written by an uniformed reporter too lazy to research the topic.
Link Posted: 4/3/2006 9:14:17 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Napoleon_Tanerite:
what would the french know about fighting WWII? they were out of the game in the first quarter




This it totally untrue. The French did a fair amount of fighting in World War 2.

Just happened to be on the German side. See: Operation Torch, and the Naval engagements related to it.
Link Posted: 4/3/2006 9:14:51 AM EDT
I'm betting that the guy thinks that Win = lever gun and discovered that there were umpteen million Winchesters used in WWII, all of which were in actuality either M1s (?) or shotguns (for sure).
Link Posted: 4/3/2006 9:20:25 AM EDT
I found it interesting that some Colt Single Action Army pistols were sent to Great Britain through Lend Lease.
Link Posted: 4/3/2006 9:22:59 AM EDT

Originally Posted By shotar:
In addition I'm sure many did end up in non conventional military roles. Beyond that Winchester certainly made Garands.



They did?

Oh wait, I just looked at my Garand.

Link Posted: 4/3/2006 9:25:07 AM EDT
Link Posted: 4/3/2006 9:26:48 AM EDT
Link Posted: 4/3/2006 9:27:52 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/3/2006 9:51:16 AM EDT by sherrick13]
Link Posted: 4/3/2006 9:28:11 AM EDT

Originally Posted By PinPointOne:
too bad the French weren't used in WW2.



Link Posted: 4/3/2006 9:50:15 AM EDT
IIRC

The Winchester Model 95 was used by a few countries in the early 20th century. Russia I know purchased a bunch and some other countries may have also. I'm not even sure if the ones the Russians ordered were actually delivered or not and may have been sold to other countries.

By the time WWII rolled around they may have only still been in use in remote colonial locations.
Link Posted: 4/3/2006 9:52:12 AM EDT

Originally Posted By TRW:
IIRC

The Winchester Model 95 was used by a few countries in the early 20th century. Russia I know purchased a bunch and some other countries may have also. I'm not even sure if the ones the Russians ordered were actually delivered or not and may have been sold to other countries.

By the time WWII rolled around they may have only still been in use in remote colonial locations.



IIRC, the Mod 95 was chambered in 7.62x54R.
Link Posted: 4/3/2006 9:56:18 AM EDT
The Frenchman is right. The Winchester Garand is no longer being produced.

It would be cool to have a Winchester Garand.
Link Posted: 4/3/2006 10:03:24 AM EDT
If they still made M1Garands and M1 carbines along with the 1897 they might still be hanging on.Maybe not.
Link Posted: 4/3/2006 10:19:16 AM EDT
Link Posted: 4/3/2006 10:24:08 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/3/2006 10:29:12 AM EDT by TRW]

Originally Posted By eodtech2000:

IIRC, the Mod 95 was chambered in 7.62x54R.



Yup! I wonder if any of those still exist anywhere? I'd love to have a russian military contract Winchester 1895 in 7.62X54.

I heard rumors that any that were sold here in the domestic market were quickly rechambered.
Link Posted: 4/3/2006 11:25:21 AM EDT
The US military did use a small number of lever action rifles during the First World WarThese, I understand, were brought over by a few doughboys and were liked for the firepower they provided up close.
Link Posted: 4/3/2006 11:33:37 AM EDT
30' 06 Winchester!

Whoa! you learn something new all the time. I never EVER thought the lever action could handle the hard hitting bolt action cartridges. Note however the heavily reinforced receiver.
But as usual using a lever action in the prone position can be annoying and the Bolt action eclipsed it.
Link Posted: 4/3/2006 11:33:51 AM EDT

Originally Posted By XeroSygnal:

Originally Posted By Melvinator2k0:
According to the cover of the Great Raid, we also used a Berreta 92.



That and the Glock 20 wound up in WWII after the USS Nimitz went back in time and tried to stop the attack on Pearl Harbor.



Sheesh. They did not have Glocks aboard the Nimitz.
Link Posted: 4/3/2006 11:35:18 AM EDT

Originally Posted By sherrick13:

Originally Posted By SS109:
The Frenchman is right. The Winchester Garand is no longer being produced.

It would be cool to have a Winchester Garand.



But he was talking about lever actions.



But he said "The rifle had been modified several times and was used by US troops during World War II."

Link Posted: 4/3/2006 11:42:35 AM EDT

Originally Posted By TRW:

Originally Posted By eodtech2000:

IIRC, the Mod 95 was chambered in 7.62x54R.



Yup! I wonder if any of those still exist anywhere? I'd love to have a russian military contract Winchester 1895 in 7.62X54.

I heard rumors that any that were sold here in the domestic market were quickly rechambered.



I have a Guns & Ammo laying around here somewhere where they actually fired one in 7.62 Russion. Reportedly had quite a kick, but was well-made and effective. It even fed ammo through the top from stripper clips.
Link Posted: 4/3/2006 11:52:51 AM EDT
Also, don't forget about Winchester shotguns in WWI and II.
Link Posted: 4/3/2006 12:00:08 PM EDT
What they should've said perhaps is that the Winchester lever guns provided more effective fire than French rifles of either world war.
Link Posted: 4/3/2006 12:02:27 PM EDT

Originally Posted By shotar:
In addition I'm sure many did end up in non conventional military roles. Beyond that Winchester certainly made Garands.



Not sure, but there may have been lend/lease winchesters sent, or taken as personal arms by troops, or already there and used by the resistance.
Link Posted: 4/3/2006 12:10:36 PM EDT
On this page are pics of the military 1895s, to include the Russian edition:

http://world.guns.ru/rifle/rfl25-e.htm
Link Posted: 4/3/2006 1:00:29 PM EDT
Link Posted: 4/3/2006 1:13:05 PM EDT

Originally Posted By TRW:

Originally Posted By eodtech2000:

IIRC, the Mod 95 was chambered in 7.62x54R.



Yup! I wonder if any of those still exist anywhere? I'd love to have a russian military contract Winchester 1895 in 7.62X54.

I heard rumors that any that were sold here in the domestic market were quickly rechambered.



Russian bought quite a few Win 95's in 7.62x54r,something like 200,000? They were of the Musket variety. Long barrel(28") with full length forearm. Also was issued with a bayonet. the rifle go for in the area of $1500 if the seller know what he has.

The French did purchase quite a few other rifle in WW1, the Winchester SLR in .351 and .401 Winchester. They were issued to aircrews, they might also have bought some lever guns. I'll have to check.
Link Posted: 4/3/2006 1:28:06 PM EDT
Stalin sold many of the Russian M95s to his Commie brethren in Spain during the Spanish Civil War of the late 1930's. This and many other arms deals are detailed in the excellent book "Arms for Spain."

It is not unlikely that the Red Army used some early on in WWII.

The Win95 was rejected by the US Army and to my knowledge was never an issue weapon.

I saw a Russian contract one in a Texas pawn shops several weeks ago. The metal was uncut, but the stock was sporterized and some of the bands, etc were gone. I think they had it prices at $2700.00. These sold for about $50 a few decades ago.

There are still M95's in Russia. They have all be heavily reworked. Because of the Clinton Executive Order and the price the Russians are asking for them, they may never make it here.
Link Posted: 4/3/2006 2:12:59 PM EDT

Originally Posted By LARRYG:

Originally Posted By XeroSygnal:

Originally Posted By Melvinator2k0:
According to the cover of the Great Raid, we also used a Berreta 92.



That and the Glock 20 wound up in WWII after the USS Nimitz went back in time and tried to stop the attack on Pearl Harbor.



Sheesh. They did not have Glocks aboard the Nimitz.



Sure they did! Standard issue sidearm for the space-shuttle doorgunners... You DO know that they operated the space shuttle off of the Nimitz right? lol
Link Posted: 4/3/2006 3:54:20 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Will-Rogers:
Stalin sold many of the Russian M95s to his Commie brethren in Spain during the Spanish Civil War of the late 1930's. This and many other arms deals are detailed in the excellent book "Arms for Spain."

It is not unlikely that the Red Army used some early on in WWII.

The Win95 was rejected by the US Army and to my knowledge was never an issue weapon.

I saw a Russian contract one in a Texas pawn shops several weeks ago. The metal was uncut, but the stock was sporterized and some of the bands, etc were gone. I think they had it prices at $2700.00. These sold for about $50 a few decades ago.

There are still M95's in Russia. They have all be heavily reworked. Because of the Clinton Executive Order and the price the Russians are asking for them, they may never make it here.



Similarly, In Commonweath use the Winchester 95 in 303 British was trialed, even pressed into use in Home Guard Units around the world. But never frontline. You can buy Broad arrow marked 303's from time to time.
[Broad Arrow Mark is a commonwealth military acceptance stamp]
Link Posted: 4/3/2006 4:09:42 PM EDT
Due to the high loss rate the Russians had, they placed many orders for off-the-shelf weapons, as well as contracting here in the US for M91 Mosin-Nagants to be made in the USA.

To quickly get rifles in the hands of troops, the Russians ordered the Winchester 1895 in 1915. It was chambered in 7.62x54R, used stripper clips, and the sights were graduated in Arshins (1 Arshin=0.71 meter). The barrel was 28 inches long. 293,816 of the rifles were delivered. Some were reported to be captured on the Eastern front by German troops as late as 1942. There have been some that reportedly were captured in Korea. The US Army's handbook that cataloged weapons used by the Viet Cong included the Winchester 1895, though I don't know if any were verifiably captured in Vietnam. Considering that the Soviets almost never disposed of anything until it was completely worn out and unrepairable, it's not too hard to beleive they were around that long.

There's one dealer around here who has one for sale for a couple grand. It is all original, but there's no finnish, some pitting, and the wood isn't all that great looking either. He's had it for years and it hasn't sold. I think a good condition one would be VERY hard to find, but I think the Winchester 95 in 7.62x54 would be a pretty neat rifle to have.

Link Posted: 4/3/2006 4:11:35 PM EDT

Originally Posted By PinPointOne:
too bad the French weren't used in WW2.





Link Posted: 4/3/2006 4:13:14 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/3/2006 4:13:27 PM EDT by blacklisted]

Originally Posted By XeroSygnal:

Originally Posted By Melvinator2k0:
According to the cover of the Great Raid, we also used a Berreta 92.



That and the Glock 20 wound up in WWII after the USS Nimitz went back in time and tried to stop the attack on Pearl Harbor.



That's classified.
Link Posted: 4/3/2006 7:06:50 PM EDT

Originally Posted By XeroSygnal:

Originally Posted By Melvinator2k0:
According to the cover of the Great Raid, we also used a Berreta 92.



That and the Glock 20 wound up in WWII after the USS Nimitz went back in time and tried to stop the attack on Pearl Harbor.



Splash the Zeros!!!
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