All the news media have reporting 12 million illegals, yet no one
name the source of that number or how they arrived at that number.
So......did some one pull the number out of their rectum...or
does the government know where those 12 million illegals live?

12 million is the number quoted by our 'friends at places like La Raza. It is far lower than the actual number of illegals we have presently. Best guess is between 20 to 30 million. No your government has no idea where they are at or cares.

I do believe The Border Patrol took a head count with their little clicker as they sat back and watched the horde of illegals sworn across our unprotected border.

Quoted: 12 million is the number quoted by our 'friends at places like La Raza. It is far lower than the actual number of illegals we have presently. Best guess is between 20 to 30 million. No your government has no idea where they are at or cares.

So they possibly took a wild ass guess to make the situation seem worse than
it actually is.

Quoted: Quoted: 12 million is the number quoted by our 'friends at places like La Raza. It is far lower than the actual number of illegals we have presently. Best guess is between 20 to 30 million. No your government has no idea where they are at or cares. So they possibly took a wild ass guess to make the situation seem worse than it actually is.

The exact number-NOBODY knows for sure. Every number quoted is a best guess. I imagine groups that favor illegals would guess low. Groups that favor the rule of law would put the number high to back their values.

you take the 4000 social security numbers of the migrant workers and multiply it times 250-300 individuals  per SSN  and you get around 12 million

Quoted: Quoted: 12 million is the number quoted by our 'friends at places like La Raza. It is far lower than the actual number of illegals we have presently. Best guess is between 20 to 30 million. No your government has no idea where they are at or cares. So they possibly took a wild ass guess to make the situation seem worse than it actually is.

The exact number-NOBODY knows for sure. Every number quoted is a best guess. I imagine groups that favor illegals would guess low. Groups that favor the rule of law would put the number high to back their values.\
www.cis.org/articles/2002/back1302.html Bureau of Census

www.theamericanresistance.com/ref/illegal_alien_numbers.html


www.desertinvasion.us/data/invasion_numbers.html#howManyIllegals

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: 12 million is the number quoted by our 'friends at places like La Raza. It is far lower than the actual number of illegals we have presently. Best guess is between 20 to 30 million. No your government has no idea where they are at or cares. So they possibly took a wild ass guess to make the situation seem worse than it actually is. The exact number-NOBODY knows for sure. Every number quoted is a best guess. I imagine groups that favor illegals would guess low. Groups that favor the rule of law would put the number high to back their values.\ www.cis.org/articles/2002/back1302.html Bureau of Census www.theamericanresistance.com/ref/illegal_alien_numbers.html www.desertinvasion.us/data/invasion_numbers.html#howManyIllegals

Many thanks for the links,

All numbers are a guess.  Mexico recently estimated that 23 million of their citizens were here.  Take into account that roughly 3+ million illegal aliens cross the southern border yearly, and the BP catches roughly 900k.

Estimates of 30+ million being here are probably accurate.  

Thats not the bad news though.  All "amnesty" (guest worker) bills allow the illegal aliens to bring their families here, as many are here without their families and send money back to Mexico to take care of them.  Amnesty will cost this country a minimum of 75 million new citizens, probably more like 100-120 million new citizens.  Consider that roughly half will be eligible to vote.  

What this means is that with amnesty your vote becomes worthless.  The last Presidential election had  roughly 122 million Americans voting.  40-60 million new illegal aliens turned citizen voters means your vote is less then worthless as socialism will be voted in.