Quoted: Once again. www.minutemanproject.com/

I chipped in.

(bump for the link and the thread)

I used to not like the minuteman
Now they post this up.

The Minuteman Project (MMP) is a citizens' Vigilance Operation monitoring immigration, business, and government.

MMP has no affiliation with, nor will we accept any assistance by or interference from, separatists, racists, or supremacy groups or individuals, no matter what their race, color, or creed.

I really like the fact that they are going after employers. Way I look at it is. GO after the employers and enforce the laws on our books and we will have no more problems with illegals.
I think you can even use existing RICO laws against employers of illegals

Quoted: I used to not like the minuteman Now they post this up. The Minuteman Project (MMP) is a citizens' Vigilance Operation monitoring immigration, business, and government. MMP has no affiliation with, nor will we accept any assistance by or interference from, separatists, racists, or supremacy groups or individuals, no matter what their race, color, or creed. I really like the fact that they are going after employers. Way I look at it is. GO after the employers and enforce the laws on our books and we will have no more problems with illegals. I think you can even use existing RICO laws against employers of illegals

The Clinton Administration used the RICO statute agains prolife organizations so why not.

What's good for the goose....

You can join www.numbersusa.com,  www.fairus.org, the John Birch society and the minuteman project to send free e-mails and faxes to all 100 senators to deny amnesty to illegal aliens.
You could also take out newspaper advertisements in your local paper to alert people to the problem.  

I have also typed up notices about illegal immigration and placed them in supermarkets, restaurants etc.  There is always something the public can do.

Quoted: Quoted: lock and load?? So what can a guy do without getting arrested? See last part in red.

Sadly, what you can do, StyerAUG is wait 'till all the R.O.P.ers that have crossed into the U.S. from Mexico turn our cities to chaos sometime in the near future, THEN the politicians will be falling all over themselves to jump on the 'Close the Border' bandwagon.

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: lock and load?? So what can a guy do without getting arrested? See last part in red. Sadly, what you can do, StyerAUG is wait 'till all the R.O.P.ers that have crossed into the U.S. from Mexico turn our cities to chaos sometime in the near future, THEN the politicians will be falling all over themselves to jump on the 'Close the Border' bandwagon.

's OK, SteyrAUG has a Shrike, he's good to go

You can join www.numbersusa.com, www.fairus.org, the John Birch society and the minuteman project to send free e-mails and faxes to all 100 senators to deny amnesty to illegal aliens. You could also take out newspaper advertisements in your local paper to alert people to the problem. I have also typed up notices about illegal immigration and placed them in supermarkets, restaurants etc. There is always something the public can do.

If you join those 2 organisations you might as well just join the neo nazis

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: lock and load?? So what can a guy do without getting arrested? See last part in red. Sadly, what you can do, StyerAUG is wait 'till all the R.O.P.ers that have crossed into the U.S. from Mexico turn our cities to chaos sometime in the near future, THEN the politicians will be falling all over themselves to jump on the 'Close the Border' bandwagon.

No they won't.
They will simply use it as an excuse to infinge on our freedoms. National ID's, fingerprinting devices, cameras everywhere, traffic monitoring and other big brother crap. They won't do shit to secure the border, not a GD thing. And the Sheeple will just suck it up. It will make them safer, no?
And who will win?
Who will win the political war and gain the type of nation they desire?

Certainly not free men yearing for liberty.

Going after employers is the ONLY way they'll stop it.

What can someone do if they know a buisiness is employing illegal aliens?

Join a local MInuteman group or organising one would be a good Idea

Forget about calling ICE. Last time I called to tell them we had 50 illegals working were  where i was they wanted my name and address. And that was just there answering machine.
Note You cant call anyone there direct. I actually got ahold of a field service agent and he was pissed off big time I got thru


Stay away from Numbersusa and FAIR The guy who started this and a half dozen other immigration centered interest groups is John Tanton. He is a white supremacist. So Joining with his groups is about the moral equivalent of joining the Klan

Maybe a bunch of rich ARFCOMMERS should buy property in Mexico adjacent to the US and set up an American enclave,  start violating the Mexican gun laws, fly the US flag, and declare that they are in their Homeland?

Quoted: You can join www.numbersusa.com, www.fairus.org, the John Birch society and the minuteman project to send free e-mails and faxes to all 100 senators to deny amnesty to illegal aliens. You could also take out newspaper advertisements in your local paper to alert people to the problem. I have also typed up notices about illegal immigration and placed them in supermarkets, restaurants etc. There is always something the public can do. If you join those 2 organisations you might as well just join the neo nazis

You have any proof for that statement are is it just your opinion?

just google john tanton
Hes the guy who in the past has made a lot of remarks. He is even in favor of eugenics. Eugenics is selective breeding of humans

ETA
john tanton is founder of or sits on the board of 13 organisations. He is also againt legal immigration

Less known about the organization are the groups ties to right-wing nationalist movements. US Engligh co-founder John Tanton has started 13 anti-immigrant groups including three that are labeled hate groups by the SPLC.

Quoted: Maybe a bunch of rich ARFCOMMERS should buy property in Mexico adjacent to the US and set up an American enclave,  start violating the Mexican gun laws, fly the US flag, and declare that they are in their Homeland?

Now that is an excellent idea. Brief incursions(patrols) into Mehico. Bring it MFers.
Only thing....you had better have a plan on how to deal witht he US govt when they come, 'cause they will.  I live a long ways from there but if I ever did get into something like that I can guarantee that I wouldn't associate myself, in that position, with ANYONE who had ANY inclination of surrendering to the .gov when they came.

And you know damn well the Mexicans would love to use it as an excuse to bring full force down on Americans.  Either way you had better plan on fighting to the death.  Or maybe I should say either side of the border. My guess is that the US govt would wait for you to cross into Mexico, be attacked and then block your path back into the US.  Better have one helluva plan.

I do like the idea though. Like it a lot.

Quoted: You can start by not hiring illegals. If you don't hire them, they won't come. Yes, that means, get off your lazy ass... and cut your own damn grass!  (Or, pay some American a fair market wage to do it for you).  If the shoe fits, you know who you are. It's economics, stupid.

exactly. Don't hire 'em and don't patronize companies that hire them

I had my house re-roofed this week. Spent about $14k.  I could have spent $10k, but the cheaper companies couldn't guarantee that they'd have legal workers.

Yes dont hire them, and fire anyone who hires them

tag

Okay I did the google search. Do you really get you info from Southern Poverty Law Center. They are a bunch of communist who would really like to end this country as we know it.

According to Tolerance.org, a project of the Southern Poverty Law Center: "The organized anti-immigration 'movement' is almost entirely the handiwork of one man, Michigan activist John. H. Tanton." In June 2002, it listed thirteen groups that formed part of the "loose-knit Tanton network." The following groups were founded and funded (through U.S. Inc.) by Tanton: Center for Immigration Studies, Federation for American Immigration Reform, NumbersUSA

I wont believe a fuckin thing Morris Dees told me and his band of socialist,gun grabbing,PC, merry men.

Quoted: just google john tanton Hes the guy who in the past has made a lot of remarks. He is even in favor of eugenics. Eugenics is selective breeding of humans ETA john tanton is founder of or sits on the board of 13 organisations. He is also againt legal immigration Less known about the organization are the groups ties to right-wing nationalist movements. US Engligh co-founder John Tanton has started 13 anti-immigrant groups including three that are labeled hate groups by the SPLC.

Things getting boring at DU lately?????? I am sure SPLC or Southern Poverty Law Center would like to label AR15.Com a hate group and shut it down also. They label anybody that doesn't agree with their socialistic agenda a hate group. Ultimate irony isn't it. I would thing they would stand behind the 1st amendment since they are so enlightened. Oh yea freedom of speech only applies to people that agree with them. I think I am understanding their point of view. There was another group that thought that way also and they were called Nazi's.

Here is a list of so called hate groups from the Southern Poverty Law Center. They really look threatening.Birmingham  ·  Council of Conservative Citizens
 Other
 ·  Lebensbaum Assembly Church
 Other



Cullman  ·  Council of Conservative Citizens
 Other



Huntsville  ·  Council of Conservative Citizens
 Other



Jasper  ·  Council of Conservative Citizens
 Other



Montgomery  ·  Council of Conservative Citizens
 Other



Alaska

Quoted: Quoted: just google john tanton Hes the guy who in the past has made a lot of remarks. He is even in favor of eugenics. Eugenics is selective breeding of humans ETA john tanton is founder of or sits on the board of 13 organisations. He is also againt legal immigration Less known about the organization are the groups ties to right-wing nationalist movements. US Engligh co-founder John Tanton has started 13 anti-immigrant groups including three that are labeled hate groups by the SPLC. Things getting boring at DU lately?????? I am sure SPLC or Southern Poverty Law Center would like to label AR15.Com a hate group and shut it down also. They label anybody that doesn't agree with their socialistic agenda a hate group. Ultimate irony isn't it. I would thing they would stand behind the 1st amendment since they are so enlightened. Oh yea freedom of speech only applies to people that agree with them. I think I am understanding their point of view. There was another group that thought that way also and they were called Nazi's.

People like the Southern Poverty Law Center are the greatest enemy this nation has.

FWIW, there was a recent link to a fed site which listed extremist groups.  ARFCOM was on it!
Don't know what it was though. Wish I'd saved that link.

BTW, so was the Southern Poverty Law Center.

SLPC ever gets its way you can kiss any firearms related site goodbye. They are speech Nazi's and thought Nazi's.

Quoted: SLPC ever gets its way you can kiss any firearms related site goodbye. They are speech Nazi's and thought Nazi's.

Hell, you could kiss firearms goodbye for good.  And free speech, assembly, religion, etc. Only people who'd be left with privileges would be minorities and homosexuals.

I'd get bannished for life if I said what I thought should happen to Morris Dees. POS.

We can all agree that the SPLC is kooky

but those two other organizations are kind of whacky too. One of them attacks immigration (legal or otherwise) for overpopulation reasons.

Anyone that thinks this country is overpopulated needs to take a cost to coast flight in a window seat.

Quoted: Quoted: SLPC ever gets its way you can kiss any firearms related site goodbye. They are speech Nazi's and thought Nazi's.

Hell, you could kiss firearms goodbye for good.  And free speech, assembly, religion, etc. Only people who'd be left with privileges would be minorities and homosexuals.

I'd get bannished for life if I said what I thought should happen to Morris Dees. POS.[/quote]

POS really describes Morris Dees. Him and his band of do gooders was behind the man who lost his ranch to illegals who were trespassing on the ranch. He detained them so SPLC went to court for the illegals and some piece of crap judge took the mans ranch away from him. Talk about screwed up. If this is the rule of law in this nation right now we all are screwed.

I got this from the numbersusa website. Doesnt sound like a hate group to me.
by Roy Beck
Executive Director of NumbersUSA.com

Nothing about this website should be construed as advocating hostile actions or feelings toward immigrant Americans. (Even illegal aliens deserve humane treatment as they are detected, detained and deported.)

Unfortunately, to write about problems of immigration is to risk seeming to attack immigrants themselves. Even worse is the risk of inadvertently encouraging somebody else to show hostility toward the foreign-born as a group.

I encounter too many immigrants and children of immigrants in daily affairs where I live in northern Virginia to take those risks lightly. From five continents, members of immigrant families have passed through my home, especially in the persons of friends of my sons. They are among the physical therapy patients of my wife; they are participants in youth activities which I lead; they are friends at my church, which has received national recognition for creating local service to new immigrants; they are neighbors; they are business clerks and owners where I trade.

Thus, as is the case for millions of other Americans, I have a very personal stake in not wanting to provoke hostility or discrimination toward the foreign-born who already are living among us.

But our kindly feelings toward immigrants must no longer stifle public discussion about the effects of immigration numbers.

To talk about changing immigration numbers is to say nothing against the individual immigrants in this country. Rather, it is about deciding how many foreign citizens living in their own countries right now should be allowed to immigrate in the future.

None of this is to suggest that no immigrants are scoundrels or contribute to problems of immigration because of their bad personal behavior. It is not unfair, nor does it constitute immigrant bashing, to criticize the behavior of specific immigrants who violate our laws or otherwise behave in a manner unworthy of guests who have been invited into this country.

It IS immigrant bashing, however, to ascribe those bad characteristics to whole groups of people based on their ethnicity or foreign-born status. All of us should be careful of the language we use so as not to inadvertently appear to be making such negative generalizations.

Not only is it ethically wrong to engage in such stereotyping, it is tactically short-sighted. There is much to suggest that most immigrants already among us would support reductions in immigration numbers. The reasons are not surprising. Virtually any reduction designed to help native-born Americans would be even more beneficial to foreign-born Americans. That is why so many immigrants are supporters of NumbersUSA.com.

Perhaps the greatest "immigrant bashers" are those Members of Congress who refuse to look at the abysmal conditions of so many immigrant Americans and who every year insist on adding more than a million more immigrants into their occupations, schools and communities.

Here is numbersusa 10 guides for immigration. Makes sense to me at least.

10 Principles for Immigration Reform  

The purpose of U.S. immigration policy is to benefit the citizens of the United States.


Since immigration policy can profoundly shape a country, it should be set by deliberate actions, not by accident or acquiescence, with careful consideration to ensure that it does not adversely affect the quality of life of American citizens and their communities.


Immigration policy should be based on and adhere to the rule of law. Immigration laws must be enforced consistently and uniformly throughout the United States.


Non-citizens enter the United States as guests and must obey the rules governing their entry. The U.S. government must track the entry, stay, and departure of all visa-holders to ensure that they comply fully with the terms of their visas, or to remove them if they fail to comply.


The borders of the United States must be physically secured at the earliest possible time. An effective barrier to the illegal entry of both aliens and contraband is vital to U.S. security.


Those responsible for facilitating illegal immigration shall be sought, arrested and prosecuted to the full extent of the law and shall forfeit any profits from such activity. This applies to smugglers and traffickers of people, as well as to those involved in the production, procurement, distribution, or use of fraudulent or counterfeit documents.


U.S. employers shall be given a simple and streamlined process to determine whether employees are legally eligible to work. Employers who obey the law shall be protected both from liability and from unfair competition by those who violate immigration law. The violators shall be subject to fines and taxes in excess of what they would have paid to employ U.S. citizens and legal residents for the same work.


Those who enter or remain in the United States in violation of the law shall be detained and removed expeditiously. Illegal aliens shall not accrue any benefit, including U.S. citizenship, as a result of their illegal entry or presence in the United States.


No federal, state or local entity shall reward individuals for violating immigration laws by granting public benefits or services, or by issuing or accepting any form of identification, or by providing any other assistance that facilitates unlawful presence or employment in this country. All federal and law enforcement agencies shall cooperate fully with federal immigration authorities, and shall report to such authorities any information they receive indicating that an individual may have violated immigration laws.


Illegal aliens currently in the United States may be afforded a one-time opportunity to leave the United States without penalty and seek permission to reenter legally if they qualify under existing law. Those who do not take advantage of this opportunity will be removed and permanently barred from returning.


 

Quoted: Quoted: Maybe a bunch of rich ARFCOMMERS should buy property in Mexico adjacent to the US and set up an American enclave,  start violating the Mexican gun laws, fly the US flag, and declare that they are in their Homeland? Now that is an excellent idea. Brief incursions(patrols) into Mehico. Bring it MFers. Only thing....you had better have a plan on how to deal witht he US govt when they come, 'cause they will.  I live a long ways from there but if I ever did get into something like that I can guarantee that I wouldn't associate myself, in that position, with ANYONE who had ANY inclination of surrendering to the .gov when they came. And you know damn well the Mexicans would love to use it as an excuse to bring full force down on Americans.  Either way you had better plan on fighting to the death.  Or maybe I should say either side of the border. My guess is that the US govt would wait for you to cross into Mexico, be attacked and then block your path back into the US.  Better have one helluva plan. I do like the idea though. Like it a lot.

Im down for it. I'd much rather egress and fight later than fight to the death though.

If you are single marry an illegal alien.  

Quoted: just google john tanton Hes the guy who in the past has made a lot of remarks. He is even in favor of eugenics. Eugenics is selective breeding of humans ETA john tanton is founder of or sits on the board of 13 organisations. He is also againt legal immigration Less known about the organization are the groups ties to right-wing nationalist movements. US Engligh co-founder John Tanton has started 13 anti-immigrant groups including three that are labeled hate groups by the SPLC.

That would be the Southern Poverty Law Center and Morris Dees who is the guy who represented the illegals in my original post.

His declaration that someone is a supremecist or hate group is hardly moving. Morris Dees and the SPLC are a greater threat to this country than the Klan.

I've seen a couple of Republican strategist talking heads on Fox the last couple of days and the message they send is chilling.  That being that the Republican Party needs to embrace the demographic reality of the future, i.e. Latino voters, or the party will not have the numbers to stay in power.  As the Latino voting block swells over time to eventually constitute a majority rather than a minority it will be imperative that the GOP pander to them.

What I read from this is they will try to mollify their base while giving in to pressure from the immigrants rights movement; a tightrope act indeed.  When we reach a tipping point where the Latino vote is more important than their base, they will simply flip.  Typical political strategy straight out of the pimps handbook; love whoever pays ya baby.  Love whoever is most likely to keep your self serving, traitorous ass in office.

I think Republican voters need to send a clear message before we reach the tipping point, namely that we will leave them (our Reps) before they can leave us if they don't step up and deliver on this issue.  This has to be a shot across the bow and their only warning; sell us out and you are dead to us.

Send this message to your Reps in no uncertain terms and remind them that we are still their pimps and they whore for us.  Now get to work bitch!

Quoted: I've seen a couple of Republican strategist talking heads on Fox the last couple of days and the message they send is chilling.  That being that the Republican Party needs to embrace the demographic reality of the future, i.e. Latino voters, or the party will not have the numbers to stay in power.  As the Latino voting block swells over time to eventually constitute a majority rather than a minority it will be imperative that the GOP pander to them. What I read from this is they will try to mollify their base while giving in to pressure from the immigrants rights movement; a tightrope act indeed.  When we reach a tipping point where the Latino vote is more important than their base, they will simply flip.  Typical political strategy straight out of the pimps handbook; love whoever pays ya baby.  Love whoever is most likely to keep your self serving, traitorous ass in office. I think Republican voters need to send a clear message before we reach the tipping point, namely that we will leave them (our Reps) before they can leave us if they don't step up and deliver on this issue.  This has to be a shot across the bow and their only warning; sell us out and you are dead to us. Send this message to your Reps in no uncertain terms and remind them that we are still their pimps and they whore for us.  Now get to work bitch!

No, we should just flat out leave them. I won't be voting Republican any longer. They have betrayed me, my family and my country enough. What, I am going to give them another shot? Fuck them.  I will find another Party and I urge all of you to do the same.

Wasted vote, my ass. Continued voting for the Repubs is a wasted vote.

Quoted: Quoted: I've seen a couple of Republican strategist talking heads on Fox the last couple of days and the message they send is chilling.  That being that the Republican Party needs to embrace the demographic reality of the future, i.e. Latino voters, or the party will not have the numbers to stay in power.  As the Latino voting block swells over time to eventually constitute a majority rather than a minority it will be imperative that the GOP pander to them. What I read from this is they will try to mollify their base while giving in to pressure from the immigrants rights movement; a tightrope act indeed.  When we reach a tipping point where the Latino vote is more important than their base, they will simply flip.  Typical political strategy straight out of the pimps handbook; love whoever pays ya baby.  Love whoever is most likely to keep your self serving, traitorous ass in office. I think Republican voters need to send a clear message before we reach the tipping point, namely that we will leave them (our Reps) before they can leave us if they don't step up and deliver on this issue.  This has to be a shot across the bow and their only warning; sell us out and you are dead to us. Send this message to your Reps in no uncertain terms and remind them that we are still their pimps and they whore for us.  Now get to work bitch! No, we should just flat out leave them. I won't be voting Republican any longer. They have betrayed me, my family and my country enough. What, I am going to give them another shot? Fuck them.  I will find another Party and I urge all of you to do the same. Wasted vote, my ass. Continued voting for the Repubs is a wasted vote.

I know exactly how you feel, but maybe we should tell them we are leaving.  It could be fun to watch them squirm (assuming they give a shit that is).

I already told Ken Melham's automated email program how I feel.  I socked it to 'em.

Quoted: Quoted: I've seen a couple of Republican strategist talking heads on Fox the last couple of days and the message they send is chilling.  That being that the Republican Party needs to embrace the demographic reality of the future, i.e. Latino voters, or the party will not have the numbers to stay in power.  As the Latino voting block swells over time to eventually constitute a majority rather than a minority it will be imperative that the GOP pander to them. What I read from this is they will try to mollify their base while giving in to pressure from the immigrants rights movement; a tightrope act indeed.  When we reach a tipping point where the Latino vote is more important than their base, they will simply flip.  Typical political strategy straight out of the pimps handbook; love whoever pays ya baby.  Love whoever is most likely to keep your self serving, traitorous ass in office. I think Republican voters need to send a clear message before we reach the tipping point, namely that we will leave them (our Reps) before they can leave us if they don't step up and deliver on this issue.  This has to be a shot across the bow and their only warning; sell us out and you are dead to us. Send this message to your Reps in no uncertain terms and remind them that we are still their pimps and they whore for us.  Now get to work bitch! No, we should just flat out leave them. I won't be voting Republican any longer. They have betrayed me, my family and my country enough. What, I am going to give them another shot? Fuck them.  I will find another Party and I urge all of you to do the same. Wasted vote, my ass. Continued voting for the Repubs is a wasted vote.

Follow the money and it always shows you why some groups support illegal immigration. Can we all say new slave class.

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I've seen a couple of Republican strategist talking heads on Fox the last couple of days and the message they send is chilling.  That being that the Republican Party needs to embrace the demographic reality of the future, i.e. Latino voters, or the party will not have the numbers to stay in power.  As the Latino voting block swells over time to eventually constitute a majority rather than a minority it will be imperative that the GOP pander to them. What I read from this is they will try to mollify their base while giving in to pressure from the immigrants rights movement; a tightrope act indeed.  When we reach a tipping point where the Latino vote is more important than their base, they will simply flip.  Typical political strategy straight out of the pimps handbook; love whoever pays ya baby.  Love whoever is most likely to keep your self serving, traitorous ass in office. I think Republican voters need to send a clear message before we reach the tipping point, namely that we will leave them (our Reps) before they can leave us if they don't step up and deliver on this issue.  This has to be a shot across the bow and their only warning; sell us out and you are dead to us. Send this message to your Reps in no uncertain terms and remind them that we are still their pimps and they whore for us.  Now get to work bitch! No, we should just flat out leave them. I won't be voting Republican any longer. They have betrayed me, my family and my country enough. What, I am going to give them another shot? Fuck them.  I will find another Party and I urge all of you to do the same. Wasted vote, my ass. Continued voting for the Repubs is a wasted vote. I know exactly how you feel, but maybe we should tell them we are leaving.  It could be fun to watch them squirm (assuming they give a shit that is).

I have already contacted my Republican Rep previously, and my Dem Senators last week. Taking your advice, I contacted my Rep again:

Congressman Green, As a citizen who pays close attention to current events I am more than a little dismayed by the handling of the illegal immigration crisis. Most disappointing has been the failure of the Republican Party to do anything other than make the problem worse than it previously was. As a lifelong Republican, I want you to know that I will no longer vote for members of your party in any position. To say that I am disappointed by 5 years of Republican rule is the understatement of the 21st century thus far. After waiting decades for the Republicans to gain power, this is what we get? You may not consider this a huge issue at this point given that you are running for governor but I will reiterate my pledge to never vote for another member of your party in any state or federal office. Instead I will be dedicating my political efforts to building another Party. One which has the best interest of the United States and its people as its chief priority and which will hopefully surpass the Republican Party in importance one day. drjarhead, MD

Less known about the organization are the groups ties to right-wing nationalist movements. US Engligh co-founder John Tanton has started 13 anti-immigrant groups including three that are labeled hate groups by the SPLC. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- That would be the Southern Poverty Law Center and Morris Dees who is the guy who represented the illegals in my original post. His declaration that someone is a supremecist or hate group is hardly moving. Morris Dees and the SPLC are a greater threat to this country than the Klan.

I just found something out
Morris Dees is against the NRA. Yet he owns firearm. Even though I dont Like this guy the facts about Tanton remain.

Same can be said about the ACLU.  Most of the time Im thinking WTF? But then again they are defending constitutional issues.

Tanton is  a supremacist whose has fears of becoming a minority and has actively been involved in the study of breeding the master race.  Hey if this is somebody you want to hang your hat with go ahead. There is no law against free speech or association

Quoted: Less known about the organization are the groups ties to right-wing nationalist movements. US Engligh co-founder John Tanton has started 13 anti-immigrant groups including three that are labeled hate groups by the SPLC. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- That would be the Southern Poverty Law Center and Morris Dees who is the guy who represented the illegals in my original post. His declaration that someone is a supremecist or hate group is hardly moving. Morris Dees and the SPLC are a greater threat to this country than the Klan. I just found something out Morris Dees is against the NRA. Yet he owns firearm. Even though I dont Like this guy the facts about Tanton remain. Same can be said about the ACLU.  Most of the time Im thinking WTF? But then again they are defending constitutional issues. Tanton is  a supremacist whose has fears of becoming a minority and has actively been involved in the study of breeding the master race.  Hey if this is somebody you want to hang your hat with go ahead. There is no law against free speech or association

I have yet to see anything on Tanton that ISN'T from the SLPC or sourced by the SPLC.

For the record I don't know who he is or anything about his organization. I'm just pointing out that the SPLC is hardly a credible source.

As for the ACLU, quite often they are NOT defending Consitutional issues.

Case in point, they believe Gitmo detainees have civil rights due a US citizen. Gitmo detainees are NOT US citizens and enjoy NONE of the rights of the US Consitution. When the ACLU asserts that they do, they are NOT defending a Consitutional issue. They are undermining this country.

Quoted: You can join www.numbersusa.com, www.fairus.org, the John Birch society and the minuteman project to send free e-mails and faxes to all 100 senators to deny amnesty to illegal aliens. You could also take out newspaper advertisements in your local paper to alert people to the problem. I have also typed up notices about illegal immigration and placed them in supermarkets, restaurants etc. There is always something the public can do. If you join those 2 organisations you might as well just join the neo nazis

Lost that argument there chief.

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I've seen a couple of Republican strategist talking heads on Fox the last couple of days and the message they send is chilling.  That being that the Republican Party needs to embrace the demographic reality of the future, i.e. Latino voters, or the party will not have the numbers to stay in power.  As the Latino voting block swells over time to eventually constitute a majority rather than a minority it will be imperative that the GOP pander to them. What I read from this is they will try to mollify their base while giving in to pressure from the immigrants rights movement; a tightrope act indeed.  When we reach a tipping point where the Latino vote is more important than their base, they will simply flip.  Typical political strategy straight out of the pimps handbook; love whoever pays ya baby.  Love whoever is most likely to keep your self serving, traitorous ass in office. I think Republican voters need to send a clear message before we reach the tipping point, namely that we will leave them (our Reps) before they can leave us if they don't step up and deliver on this issue.  This has to be a shot across the bow and their only warning; sell us out and you are dead to us. Send this message to your Reps in no uncertain terms and remind them that we are still their pimps and they whore for us.  Now get to work bitch! No, we should just flat out leave them. I won't be voting Republican any longer. They have betrayed me, my family and my country enough. What, I am going to give them another shot? Fuck them.  I will find another Party and I urge all of you to do the same. Wasted vote, my ass. Continued voting for the Repubs is a wasted vote. I know exactly how you feel, but maybe we should tell them we are leaving.  It could be fun to watch them squirm (assuming they give a shit that is). I have already contacted my Republican Rep previously, and my Dem Senators last week. Taking your advice, I contacted my Rep again: Congressman Green, As a citizen who pays close attention to current events I am more than a little dismayed by the handling of the illegal immigration crisis. Most disappointing has been the failure of the Republican Party to do anything other than make the problem worse than it previously was. As a lifelong Republican, I want you to know that I will no longer vote for members of your party in any position. To say that I am disappointed by 5 years of Republican rule is the understatement of the 21st century thus far. After waiting decades for the Republicans to gain power, this is what we get? You may not consider this a huge issue at this point given that you are running for governor but I will reiterate my pledge to never vote for another member of your party in any state or federal office. Instead I will be dedicating my political efforts to building another Party. One which has the best interest of the United States and its people as its chief priority and which will hopefully surpass the Republican Party in importance one day. drjarhead, MD

Looks like a good start to me.  What third party are you eyeing?

Quoted: Looks like a good start to me.  What third party are you eyeing?

Constitution Party

Pretty sure
Nothing else comes as close to my values and the defense of my freedoms.

Quoted: Quoted: Looks like a good start to me.  What third party are you eyeing? Constitution Party Pretty sure Nothing else comes as close to my values and the defense of my freedoms.

+1

Jarhead has something going. By the time people begin to realize their folly of parting the United States out, people will be looking for something different.

They might just look back to their roots and wonder where it all went wrong.

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Looks like a good start to me.  What third party are you eyeing? Constitution Party Pretty sure Nothing else comes as close to my values and the defense of my freedoms. +1

If only they didn't come with their own religious agenda.

I'd recommend Libertarian but they seemed to be kinda hijacked as of late.

But as both will send a clear message to the Republicans either seems to be fine.

I have yet to see anything on Tanton that ISN'T from the SLPC or sourced by the SPLC. For the record I don't know who he is or anything about his organization. I'm just pointing out that the SPLC is hardly a credible source. As for the ACLU, quite often they are NOT defending Consitutional issues. Case in point, they believe Gitmo detainees have civil rights due a US citizen. Gitmo detainees are NOT US citizens and enjoy NONE of the rights of the US Consitution. When the ACLU asserts that they do, they are NOT defending a Consitutional issue. They are undermining this country.

Wikipedia is a start
Or rightweb
right web

Obivously so does the US goverment. Otherwise they would be detained on US Soil

ETA
What about
Tolerance.org

Assuming the political solution is as watered down as in the past.

Boycott restaurants in general, eating only at those where you know the employees are legal (if you can find one).  Eat less, we're a bunch of out of shape fat asses anyway.  If fast food places lost enough business because of this they would go that extra mile to survive.  They would pay more and hire legal to preserve their capital.  You can't export fast food and a lot of other products of local cheap illegal labor.  Maybe I'd boycott Mexican restaurants especially as even if they're legal and long time citizens they can be intimidated into supporting illegal immigration or at least not voicing their independent opinion.

Do for yourself more.  That cartoon of the US "addicted" to cheap labor is pretty spot on.  Mow your own.  Be selective about your contractors.  Hire small ones that don't use cheap illegal labor.  

Buy American, even if it costs more.  Buy an American Fender guitar not the Mexican one.  Buy less "stuff" and more "quality" stuff.  Illegal cheap labor is not the only thing we have a problem with, it's like "blow", and we're using because we have "too much".  

Don't travel or spend money in Mexico.  It's a protest effort, just like the protests in our cities that we've seen in the last week.

Don't buy Mexican food products, either fresh or processed.



Add some more if you can think of them.

I'm not trying to be mean, just fight in a peaceful way that makes it obvious that Mexico can be hurt by the poor governance that's pushing their problems into our country.  They need a revolution too..

Do I think we're smart enough to pull this off?  Let me know when spring break comes and there's no college students in Cancun.

ETA Sell any stocks in Mexican companies, indeed nearly any South American country.  Don't celebrate Cinco de Mayo......hey, come to think of it that would be a good day of protest and it's only a month away.

Flaming bags of dogshit on the steps of the Mexican Embassies and Consulate wouldn't hurt either.

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Looks like a good start to me.  What third party are you eyeing? Constitution Party Pretty sure Nothing else comes as close to my values and the defense of my freedoms. +1 If only they didn't come with their own religious agenda. I'd recommend Libertarian but they seemed to be kinda hijacked as of late. But as both will send a clear message to the Republicans either seems to be fine.

I understand your concern about the Constitution Party and their religious agenda but there are worse things and while I am not fully in support of those goals I do support the values that go with them.

You might want to look at the Libertarian Party platform on immigration.
Not for me. Not ever.

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Looks like a good start to me.  What third party are you eyeing? Constitution Party Pretty sure Nothing else comes as close to my values and the defense of my freedoms. +1 If only they didn't come with their own religious agenda. I'd recommend Libertarian but they seemed to be kinda hijacked as of late. But as both will send a clear message to the Republicans either seems to be fine.

Third paragraph of their platform:

"The goal of the Constitution Party is to restore American jurisprudence to its Biblical foundations ."

uhhhhhhh,  no thanks

www.cafepress.com/comeandtakeit

I'm thinking that an "attaboy" message to Tancredo will do more good than 1000 letters to reps who have already sold out.