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Posted: 3/31/2006 8:13:15 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/31/2006 8:14:34 AM EDT by COLE-CARBINE]
New Powered Eyes For Marine Snipers



March 31, 2006: U.S. Marine snipers are having much success with their new M-8541 sniper rifle scopes. These are military versions of the Schmidt & Bender 3x12 variable powered day scope. The new scope is more rugged than the old 10x scope that has been used for over twenty years. The M-8541 has superior optics, providing better visibility at low light conditions (dawn or dusk). The variable magnifications enables the sniper to use a wider view to spot a target, then go for the narrower, but more magnified, view to get the shot. The variable magnification also provides an easier- to- use view at closer ranges. The new scope weighs the same as the old one, despite all the new features. The M-8541 also uses regular AA batteries, making resupply easier. Marine snipers in Iraq began receiving the new scopes last fall.



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Press release from S&B

Schmidt & Bender has agreed with the United States Marine Corps to supply all Scout Rifle Day Scopes for use on the Corps' sniper weapons. A modified version of the Schmidt & Bender 3-12 x 50 Police Marksman LP II scope will become standard equipment on all .308 and .50 caliber USMC sniper rifles.

The Schmidt & Bender 3-12 x 50 PMII LP is replacing a 10x sniper scope which has been in use for the last 25 years. The new scope features an illuminated Gen 2 mil-dot reticle, an improvement upon existing mil-dot styles, allowing for more precise rangefinding at greater distances and on a wider variety of target sizes. The Schmidt & Bender scope was selected from products submitted by 25 different companies as the only riflescope to meet or exceed all of the USMC’s rigorous specifications.

The Schmidt & Bender scope will include an elevation dial made to USMC specifications. Especially attractive to the Marine Corps is the fact that the 3-12 x 50 PMII LP can be used on both .308 and .50 caliber weapons, with changes only in windage and elevation dials.

While the modified USMC version of the 3-12 x 50 PMII LP is not available to the public, a similar model, including the Gen 2 mil-dot reticle, will be offered in the near future. Many scopes can be retrofitted with the Gen 2, as well.

We are pleased and honored to serve one of the most elite, storied military organizations in the world.


Link Posted: 3/31/2006 8:26:08 AM EDT
Cool, anyhting that helps 'em do their job better is ok by me!

Of course there will now be a run on Schmidt and Benders by Arfcommers everywhere!
Link Posted: 3/31/2006 8:26:57 AM EDT
Put em on the glass
Link Posted: 3/31/2006 8:29:23 AM EDT
How long before people start asking what the best ebay M-8541 clone is?
Link Posted: 3/31/2006 8:32:49 AM EDT
With today's combat ranging from 30m across the street to 1000m across the desert, switching to a variable is a very good thing.
Link Posted: 3/31/2006 8:35:29 AM EDT
I wonder where the hell you fit AA batteries in that thing?
Link Posted: 3/31/2006 8:37:57 AM EDT

Originally Posted By jmoffatt:
I wonder where the hell you fit AA batteries in that thing?



I was wondering the same thing after seeing the picture.

Link Posted: 3/31/2006 8:41:05 AM EDT

Originally Posted By HermanSnerd:

Originally Posted By jmoffatt:
I wonder where the hell you fit AA batteries in that thing?



I was wondering the same thing after seeing the picture.




Me too.
Link Posted: 3/31/2006 8:41:17 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Tomislav:
How long before people start asking what the best ebay M-8541 clone is?





..... and 3..... 2..... 1......

So, has anyone bought one of the reproduction m-8541's from Hong Kong yet? I saw one on ebay and was looking for some feedback.....

Link Posted: 3/31/2006 8:43:54 AM EDT

Originally Posted By pzjgr:
Of course there will now be a run on Schmidt and Benders by Arfcommers everywhere!



Unfortunately the kidney market is already satuated by cheap imports from India and China.

And what's with Leupold or Unertl that they can't make something of this quality?
Link Posted: 3/31/2006 8:54:33 AM EDT

Originally Posted By efpeter:

Originally Posted By Tomislav:
How long before people start asking what the best ebay M-8541 clone is?





..... and 3..... 2..... 1......

So, has anyone bought one of the reproduction m-8541's from Hong Kong yet? I saw one on ebay and was looking for some feedback.....





+1
Link Posted: 3/31/2006 8:59:23 AM EDT
Group Buy! Group Buy!
Link Posted: 3/31/2006 9:01:08 AM EDT

Originally Posted By mcnielsen:
Group Buy! Group Buy!




to the tune of about $2500 or more per scope
Link Posted: 3/31/2006 9:03:25 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/31/2006 9:05:12 AM EDT by echap]
Here is a M8541 on ebay.
cgi.ebay.com/Apple-iPod-5-GB-M8541-1st-Gen_W0QQitemZ5878386397QQcategoryZ67835QQcmdZView­Item



"Apple of your eye" really fits this
Link Posted: 3/31/2006 9:04:58 AM EDT

Originally Posted By supersix4:

Originally Posted By mcnielsen:
Group Buy! Group Buy!




to the tune of about $2500 or more per scope



When it absolutely positively has to be killed -- money is no object.
Link Posted: 3/31/2006 9:09:24 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/31/2006 9:09:41 AM EDT by supersix4]

Originally Posted By Partisan:

Originally Posted By supersix4:

Originally Posted By mcnielsen:
Group Buy! Group Buy!




to the tune of about $2500 or more per scope



When it absolutely positively has to be killed -- money is no object.




I surely dont mind the USMC getting the very best, but I am pretty sure a group buy wont save us any money
Link Posted: 3/31/2006 9:16:18 AM EDT

Originally Posted By triburst1:

Originally Posted By HermanSnerd:

Originally Posted By jmoffatt:
I wonder where the hell you fit AA batteries in that thing?



I was wondering the same thing after seeing the picture.




Me too.



+3 Only place I see long enough for a AA battery, would be down the center of the elevation turret, and I dont think thats enough space. That has to be a typo.
Link Posted: 3/31/2006 9:20:16 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/31/2006 10:45:40 AM EDT by Tomislav]

Originally Posted By echap:
Here is a M8541 on ebay.
<link removed>


"Apple of your eye" really fits this



Hrmmm. Dunno about eye relief on those...
Link Posted: 3/31/2006 9:20:54 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/31/2006 9:21:43 AM EDT by Combat_Jack]



to the tune of about $2500 or more per scope.




A year ago the Army was getting Short Dots at almost 50% off retail. This optic should be no different.

Link Posted: 3/31/2006 9:28:21 AM EDT
Yup. It's really nice. I am sticking with my proven M3-LR 3.5-10x for awhile yet, though.
Link Posted: 3/31/2006 9:33:56 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Tomislav:
How long before people start asking what the best ebay M-8541 clone is?



Looks like sixteen minutes and six seconds.
Link Posted: 3/31/2006 9:45:55 AM EDT

Originally Posted By supersix4:

Originally Posted By mcnielsen:
Group Buy! Group Buy!




to the tune of about $2500 or more per scope



When our military uses 1.5 million dollar missiles, and billion dollar airplanes, 2500 is cheap.
Link Posted: 3/31/2006 10:06:42 AM EDT

Originally Posted By jmoffatt:
I wonder where the hell you fit AA batteries in that thing?



On the left, horizontally inside the rearward knob (which has 11 different brightness settings you can turn it to)
Link Posted: 3/31/2006 10:14:23 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Partisan:

Originally Posted By supersix4:

Originally Posted By mcnielsen:
Group Buy! Group Buy!




to the tune of about $2500 or more per scope



When it absolutely positively has to be killed -- money is no object.



True dat, dats why I gets da greem beamz yo.
Link Posted: 3/31/2006 10:14:36 AM EDT
The civi model as asked for by the board.........

http://cgi.ebay.com/Schmidt-and-Bender-scope-Police-944-PMII-3-12x50-NEW_W0QQitemZ7230012904QQcategoryZ31714QQssPageNa­meZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Sorry, don't know how to hot link it.......but it looks nice ! ! !
Link Posted: 3/31/2006 10:15:29 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/31/2006 10:16:07 AM EDT by Tomislav]

Originally Posted By npd233:

Originally Posted By jmoffatt:
I wonder where the hell you fit AA batteries in that thing?



On the left, horizontally inside the rearward knob (which has 11 different brightness settings you can turn it to)



I dunno how you are going to fit a AA into that...

Link Posted: 3/31/2006 10:15:51 AM EDT

Originally Posted By pzjgr:
Of course there will now be a run on Schmidt and Benders by Arfcommers everywhere!




Updating the wishlist as we speak!
Link Posted: 3/31/2006 10:17:00 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/31/2006 10:19:54 AM EDT by HardShell]
Deleted (I didn't realize it was an eBay link until after I posted it. )


Originally Posted By SgtSwat:
The civi model as asked for by the board.........

http://cgi.ebay.com/Schmidt-and-Bender-scope-Police-944-PMII-3-12x50-NEW_W0QQitemZ7230012904QQcategoryZ31714QQssPageNa­meZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Sorry, don't know how to hot link it.......but it looks nice ! ! !



We don't hot-link to eBay.
Link Posted: 3/31/2006 10:18:46 AM EDT

Originally Posted By modog:
Yup. It's really nice. I am sticking with my proven M3-LR 3.5-10x for awhile yet, though.



I have 3 of these too. US made. Best warranty going, $800 or less. I doubt this new scope shoots the rifle for you......
Link Posted: 3/31/2006 10:23:21 AM EDT

Originally Posted By HardShell:
Deleted (I didn't realize it was an eBay link until after I posted it. )


Originally Posted By SgtSwat:
The civi model as asked for by the board.........

http://cgi.ebay.com/Schmidt-and-Bender-scope-Police-944-PMII-3-12x50-NEW_W0QQitemZ7230012904QQcategoryZ31714QQssPageNa­meZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Sorry, don't know how to hot link it.......but it looks nice ! ! !



We don't hot-link to eBay.



We don't? I'd never heard this policy before.
Link Posted: 3/31/2006 2:51:00 PM EDT
bump
Link Posted: 3/31/2006 3:00:14 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Mauser101:

Originally Posted By HardShell:
... We don't hot-link to eBay.



We don't? I'd never heard this policy before.



Maybe it's just in relation to EE ads but I thought it was a general rule, like not hot-linking to DU. I could be mistaken and, if so, my apologies...
Link Posted: 3/31/2006 3:07:48 PM EDT
Damn I'd love a S&B. Probably one of the best made scopes money can buy.
That said, it takes alot of money to run a S&B. I guess, you gotta pay to play, and the best costs alot.
Link Posted: 3/31/2006 3:09:06 PM EDT
Ok, I now know where $2500 of my taxes went!
Link Posted: 3/31/2006 3:10:50 PM EDT
Maybe it has a battery pack that plugs into it?
Link Posted: 3/31/2006 3:15:30 PM EDT

Originally Posted By HardShell:
Deleted (I didn't realize it was an eBay link until after I posted it. )


Originally Posted By SgtSwat:
The civi model as asked for by the board.........

http://cgi.ebay.com/Schmidt-and-Bender-scope-Police-944-PMII-3-12x50-NEW_W0QQitemZ7230012904QQcategoryZ31714QQssPageNa­meZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Sorry, don't know how to hot link it.......but it looks nice ! ! !



We don't hot-link to eBay.



Not for sales, but there are plenty of links to eGay for info.
Don't be so quick.
Link Posted: 3/31/2006 3:17:48 PM EDT
It's a typo, it takes two D Cell batteries, not two AA's.
Link Posted: 3/31/2006 3:27:39 PM EDT
$2,500 for a scope?
Link Posted: 3/31/2006 3:32:06 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Wobblin-Goblin:
$2,500 for a scope?



I'd puit that optic on a Mosin Nagant before I'd put a Super Sniper on an M40.
Link Posted: 3/31/2006 3:37:37 PM EDT
Link Posted: 3/31/2006 3:41:10 PM EDT
pffft!, all that money on a scope and no flashing digital numbers.
The ones in the movie are more tactical and they have a higher magnification
Link Posted: 3/31/2006 3:43:40 PM EDT

Originally Posted By twonami:
pffft!, all that money on a scope and no flashing digital numbers.
The ones in the movie are more tactical and they have a higher magnification



and they make quite little beeping noises.
Link Posted: 3/31/2006 3:49:58 PM EDT

Originally Posted By jtw2:

Originally Posted By twonami:
pffft!, all that money on a scope and no flashing digital numbers.
The ones in the movie are more tactical and they have a higher magnification



and they make quite little beeping noises.



Ha!

We need to get them the one Bill Paxton used as "God" in "Navy SEALS". You know, the one that could see THROUGH rock!
Link Posted: 3/31/2006 3:54:34 PM EDT
Our snipers are earning their money in this war… big time.

If they want a fucking $250,000 thermal, range finding, illuminated, heat seeking, wind compensating jock strap. I would say we maybe ought to buy it.

S&B is pretty good glass. I don’t think that anyone with half a clue will argue that fact.
Link Posted: 3/31/2006 3:59:05 PM EDT
Now the real question: Where to get some "lovingly" used Unertl scopes at DRMO?

Semper Fi
Link Posted: 3/31/2006 4:11:12 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Wobblin-Goblin:
$2,500 for a scope?



Its akin to saying "$250,000 for a car?!" when your buying a Ferrari.

S&B is about as good as it gets. Yes, $2500 for a scope. From the best scope maker on the market.
Link Posted: 3/31/2006 4:18:11 PM EDT

Originally Posted By KA3B:
It's a typo, it takes two D Cell batteries, not two AA's.



I thought that it actually took 2 C cells in the tube right down the middle. You know, the one with glass on each end so that you can see them and make sure that they're not running out of juice!
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