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Posted: 3/31/2006 8:06:17 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/3/2006 10:08:22 AM EDT by Shane333]
This co-worker knows I enjoy shooting and made a condescending remark about people who have "assault rifles". Suggesting that I might be compensating for something or some other such nonsense.

Well, since it was break time I started discussing the matter of gun ownership with him. He seems like a pretty smart guy.

Well, we discuss the Bill of Rights and what actually ensures our freedoms. The first thing he does is suggest that the Bill of Rights is not a true part of the Constitution, and that it's the Constitution (excluding the B of R) that makes us free. How? Simply because we (as a people) accept the Constitution. Another co-worker nearby jumped in to defend the B of R as most definately a part of our Constitution.

Next he argues that defending oneself, at home, with a gun is bad because you might shoot through a wall and hit a neighbor or your kid in the next room. I told him that gun owners are concerned about the same thing and prepare accordingly.

Next he says, "I'd rather be attacked by a man with a knife than a man with a machinegun. I can at least run away from the man with a knife." To which I respond, "Whether it's a knife or machine gun I'm attacked with, I'd prefer to be able to shoot back to defend myself from the threat." My co-worker audibly gasped at this concept.

Sean, my co-worker, then pointed out a recent high profile case where a man drew his gun when approached by an angry group of people who were threatening him with large stones in their hands. Sean spouted off a bunch of completely false notions regarding the situation. Having followed the incident a little, I pointed out that Sean knew nothing of what happened and was making false accusations that were completely inconsistant with all the reports on the incident.

He then goes on to criticize gun rights groups for suggesting that there is a slippery slope when it comes to banning firearms. According to him, there is no slippery slope and it would be impossible to take away guns he approves of (deer rifles, shotguns, etc.) I asked him what the difference is, functionally, between a "sniper rifle" and a deer rifle. He admited that there is no real functional difference. He admitted that if the government wanted to confiscate deer rifles, all it would have to do is call it a potential "sniper rifle."

The next argument he made was that people shouldn't be able to carry guns because "feeling threatened" is an emotional response, and according to my co-worker it is wrong to use a firearm in response to an emotional feeling. He refused to accept that a person can make a logical judgement in regards to a "perceived" threat? At this point I was becoming a little frustrated with his comments and said, "it's common for people who can't control their own emotions to project their lack of control on others, and assume that others lack self control."

Hearing this he responded, "I just don't like it when people get shot."

I immediately responded, "I don't either. Unfortunately it is sometimes necessary to defend oneself or to defend other innocent people who are being attacked."

Seeing his obstinance, I ended the discussion at that point and went back to my desk.

Some observations:
Each time my co-worker, Sean, was shown the holes in his arguments, he immediately switched gears and tried a new angle/argument to use. He never acknowledged the problems with his own reasoning, but simply tried to divert the argument in hopes of proving gun ownership wrong.

He continually made blatantly uninformed comments, going so far as to suggest that the Bill of Rights isn't really a part of the Constitution.

In the end, it was abundantly clear that his stance against guns was entirely based on his own emotional reactions to guns, and his emotional reaction to those who posess guns.

Frankly, I don't think our conversation helped him at all. He seems to have entrenched himself emotionally, and won't look at the issue any other way.
Link Posted: 3/31/2006 8:08:35 AM EDT
Cognitive dissonance.
Link Posted: 3/31/2006 8:08:49 AM EDT
I think you co-worker is a Queer.
Link Posted: 3/31/2006 8:10:11 AM EDT
He's a pussy. Plain and simple, the world is full of them hese days. As fro the emotional response to feeling threatened you should have asked him if the Marine getting shot at in Iraq or Afghanistan is feeling an emotional response...

He's a big fucking wet pussy..
Link Posted: 3/31/2006 8:10:24 AM EDT
I pity the man that has nothing worth fighting to the death for.
Link Posted: 3/31/2006 8:14:07 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/31/2006 8:14:25 AM EDT by sum-rifle]
You should have pulled out your large cock to show him you were not compensating for anything by owning firearms. That's what I always do.
Link Posted: 3/31/2006 8:14:20 AM EDT
Wow where the hell did he go to school? Not part of the Constitution? You work with some "interesting" people.
Link Posted: 3/31/2006 8:16:01 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Valkyrie:
He's a pussy. Plain and simple, the world is full of them hese days. As fro the emotional response to feeling threatened you should have asked him if the Marine getting shot at in Iraq or Afghanistan is feeling an emotional response...

He's a big fucking wet pussy..



Actually, another co-worker, Matt, briefly jumped into the discussion at this point to suggest that one can train oneself to make logical decisions about threats. Of course, this caused Sean to change the subject again.

Ironically, Matt isn't even the pro-gun type. Matt just isn't anti-gun either.
Link Posted: 3/31/2006 8:16:38 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Shane333:

Each time my co-worker, Sean, was shown the holes in his arguments, he immediately switched gears and tried a new angle/argument to use. He never acknowledged the problems with his own reasoning, but simply tried to divert the argument in hopes of proving gun ownership wrong.

He continually made blatantly uninformed comments, going so far as to suggest that the Bill of Rights isn't really a part of the Constitution.




I've always found this to be the case when attempting to have any sort of serious discussion with a liberal.

Link Posted: 3/31/2006 8:17:17 AM EDT
Ahh, just the type of shooter we need, they'll sell us all down the river. No wonder its so hard getting things changed.

Fuckin' Bubba's and their "Whadda ya need one of them there black rifles fer?" mentality.

Assholes, all of them...
Link Posted: 3/31/2006 8:17:19 AM EDT

Originally Posted By sum-rifle:
You should have pulled out your large cock to show him you were not compensating for anything by owning firearms. That's what I always do.



I could have, but I like my job and also I'm not in the habit of showing my large cock to men.
Link Posted: 3/31/2006 8:19:04 AM EDT

Originally Posted By pzjgr:
Ahh, just the type of shooter we need, they'll sell us all down the river. No wonder its so hard getting things changed.

Fuckin' Bubba's and their "Whadda ya need one of them there black rifles fer?" mentality.

Assholes, all of them...



I don't think he's a shooter at all. He just seems to be stuck with the idea that the only legitimate use for firearms is hunting.
Link Posted: 3/31/2006 8:19:25 AM EDT
A little bit ago I had a female friend tell me that she did not think she could kill someone in her house attacking her, not necessarily with a gun, even if she only had a knife. I asked you mean intentionally kill them or use a knife to defend yourself. She did not think she could use one to defend herself. I asked why not and she did not have an answer, just looked at me.

Attack me, you are fucked up or I am fucked up, or maybe both, but I would prefer it be you, that is why I practice with my weapons.
Link Posted: 3/31/2006 8:21:46 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Shane333:

Originally Posted By pzjgr:
Ahh, just the type of shooter we need, they'll sell us all down the river. No wonder its so hard getting things changed.

Fuckin' Bubba's and their "Whadda ya need one of them there black rifles fer?" mentality.

Assholes, all of them...



I don't think he's a shooter at all. He just seems to be stuck with the idea that the only legitimate use for firearms is hunting.



Ahh, then I misunderstood....although the Bubba mentality among shooters is a bad thing!
Link Posted: 3/31/2006 8:27:22 AM EDT
Link Posted: 3/31/2006 8:32:19 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Shane333:
In the end, it was abundantly clear that his stance against guns was entirely based on his own emotional reactions to guns, and his emotional reaction to those who posess guns.



This is my experience, without exception. Every time an anti is willing to discuss facts, they end up here.
Link Posted: 3/31/2006 8:33:00 AM EDT

thank you for speaking up. Many wouldn't
Link Posted: 3/31/2006 8:35:01 AM EDT
Well, I just stopped by Sean's cube to see how he was doing (I'm his manager). He made an interesting remark that he was cool, but sure hoped I wasn't angry. The painfully obvious suggestion was that I, as a gun enthusiast, am somehow dangerous if I feel upset.

Good grief, I'm a soft hearted guy who's never picked a fight in my life. Apparently being a gun enthusiast is supposed to make me unstable somehow.

I'm going to let this go for now.
Link Posted: 3/31/2006 8:38:19 AM EDT
Sounds like a "hostile work environement" you are creating.
Link Posted: 3/31/2006 8:38:33 AM EDT
I thooght you held up your side of the argument very well. Your assessment of his responses as being emational hits the nail on the head. That's what liberal do. Ever notice how often liberals use the phrase "I feel" rather than "I think" so and so about a particular issue. And you are correct about liberals changing the subject when they don't know what they are talking about. Keep up the good work.
Link Posted: 3/31/2006 8:40:03 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Napoleon_Tanerite:



Bleat... Bleat.... Bleat....
Link Posted: 3/31/2006 8:46:30 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/31/2006 8:58:29 AM EDT by Shane333]

Originally Posted By Leisure_Shoot:
Sounds like a "hostile work environement" you are creating.



Might have something to do with my desktop image...





Edited to add: It's for providing inspiration as I work on my Romy build.
Link Posted: 3/31/2006 8:53:57 AM EDT
I say we start saying people who are gun control advocates are closet submissives that want to be dominated by the cop from the Village People.

Link Posted: 3/31/2006 8:56:31 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Shane333:

Originally Posted By Leisure_Shoot:
Sounds like a "hostile work environement" you are creating.



Might have something to do with my desktop image...

i75.photobucket.com/albums/i291/ShaneArfcom/Romy19.jpg




ya, you should put up a pic of an AR
Link Posted: 3/31/2006 9:02:13 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Shane333:
This co-worker knows I enjoy shooting and made a condescending remark about people who have "assault rifles". Suggesting that I might be compensating for something or some other such nonsense.

Well, since it was break time I started discussing the matter of gun ownership with him. He seems like a pretty smart guy.




that's your mistake right there. many of these people SEEM smart, but that does not actually mean they ARE smart.

i tend to believe that if you cannot grasp the utility of potentially dangerous objects such as fire, guns, or automobiles, you are most definately not smart.


Link Posted: 3/31/2006 9:05:42 AM EDT


Suggesting that I might be compensating for something or some other such nonsense.



This is what Freud was talking about when he said that a fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity. Notice how often people use this argument.

I like to think that this is a statement of projection, and in reality any man who says this about a gun owner is really the one who needs to compensate. Therefore, if this is true, it is safe to assume that any man who says this is frustrated with his vienna sausage dick. With women, it is probably a sign of perceived powerlessness or else an equal frustration with their own dissatisfying sex lives.
Link Posted: 3/31/2006 9:06:02 AM EDT
I bet real money that this bed-wetter gets out of the shower to pee.

Sitting down.

CMOS
Link Posted: 3/31/2006 9:06:42 AM EDT
Fuck Sean.

Link Posted: 3/31/2006 9:08:36 AM EDT
I believe that most of these people, when confronted by a life-threatening situation and survived, will change their tunes bigtime.

Can you imagine the pathetic moron who has his house broken into, his family hurt or killed and he had NO WAY to defend them.

These people don't have a clue as to how stupid they really are.

HH
Link Posted: 3/31/2006 9:15:49 AM EDT
Hey, Shane333

Which company do you work for?
Link Posted: 3/31/2006 9:16:56 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Shane333:
Some observations:
Each time my co-worker, Sean, was shown the holes in his arguments, he immediately switched gears and tried a new angle/argument to use. He never acknowledged the problems with his own reasoning, but simply tried to divert the argument in hopes of proving gun ownership wrong.

In the end, it was abundantly clear that his stance against guns was entirely based on his own emotional reactions to guns, and his emotional reaction to those who posess guns.

Frankly, I don't think our conversation helped him at all. He seems to have entrenched himself emotionally, and won't look at the issue any other way.



Some times you must simply face the fact that a co-worker is an idiot and a douchebag.
Link Posted: 3/31/2006 9:20:15 AM EDT
So ask him on the next break what he would do if another man was raping his ass and his wifes. I am betting he would submit and not fight back.
Link Posted: 3/31/2006 9:23:52 AM EDT
so maybe you should invite him shooting? He will probably say no anyways so what is it going to hurt?
Link Posted: 3/31/2006 9:29:21 AM EDT
One thing I will never understand is the irrational fear some people have of guns and their perception of gun owners.Being uninformed is one thing, but being completely irrational about guns is another. That type of person believes whatever negative thing they hear about guns and are willing to give up their freedoms without any fight whatsoever.
Link Posted: 3/31/2006 9:36:49 AM EDT

Originally Posted By ChickenKiller:
I think you co-worker is a Queer.



+1
Link Posted: 3/31/2006 9:39:13 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/31/2006 9:39:39 AM EDT by Shane333]

Originally Posted By colt_5_5_6:
so maybe you should invite him shooting? He will probably say no anyways so what is it going to hurt?



I think this may be a good idea. After all, the worst that can happen is for him to say no.

If he'll go shooting, I'll start him off with the .22 lever action and then move up to the .223.

Once he experiences the joy of bursting two liters, he might come around. After all, I had to undo lots of California indoctrination myself.
Link Posted: 3/31/2006 9:40:07 AM EDT

Originally Posted By ChickenKiller:
I think you co-worker is a Queer.


A gun-fearing queer.

(And I apologize to our gay RKBA friends, in advance)

Eric The(MakingNoBonesAboutIt)Hun
Link Posted: 3/31/2006 9:40:40 AM EDT

Well, since it was break time I started discussing the matter of gun ownership with him. He seems like a pretty smart guy.


Apparently looks are deceiving.


Next he says, "I'd rather be attacked by a man with a knife than a man with a machinegun. I can at least run away from the man with a knife." To which I respond, "Whether it's a knife or machine gun I'm attacked with, I'd prefer to be able to shoot back to defend myself from the threat." My co-worker audibly gasped at this concept.


What if the guy with the knife can run faster than you?


Well, I just stopped by Sean's cube to see how he was doing (I'm his manager). He made an interesting remark that he was cool, but sure hoped I wasn't angry. The painfully obvious suggestion was that I, as a gun enthusiast, am somehow dangerous if I feel upset.


I expected something like that, and you are his supervisor. Take the implied threat seriously, and have witnesses if you discuss it again.

Or, you could just respond along the line of: "Why would I be mad? People like you entertain me with your childish outlook on this topic. Say hello to Alice while you are down in the rabbit hole."
Link Posted: 3/31/2006 9:52:15 AM EDT
He has been successfully indoctrinated into the ideology of the victim.

He is now ready to let the government help him.
Link Posted: 3/31/2006 9:54:41 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/31/2006 9:55:36 AM EDT by Shane333]

Originally Posted By rxdawg:


Well, I just stopped by Sean's cube to see how he was doing (I'm his manager). He made an interesting remark that he was cool, but sure hoped I wasn't angry. The painfully obvious suggestion was that I, as a gun enthusiast, am somehow dangerous if I feel upset.


I expected something like that, and you are his supervisor. Take the implied threat seriously, and have witnesses if you discuss it again.

Or, you could just respond along the line of: "Why would I be mad? People like you entertain me with your childish outlook on this topic. Say hello to Alice while you are down in the rabbit hole."



There were two other employees present when I stopped at his cube. Nobody is going to accuse me of being any kind of threat. Especially since my supervisor likes guns too and has worked with me since 1993.

BTW, my office does have several normal people. Sean would probably pee his pants if he knew that the girl lady in a cube accross from him has a CCL and is frequently packing. Then there's the other girl lady in the cube next to him who carries a good sized folding knife.... For some strange reason this just doesn't bother me.
Link Posted: 3/31/2006 9:56:47 AM EDT
How dare he imply that all gun owners are violent and trigger-happy. You should have just shot him instead of arguing with him.
Link Posted: 3/31/2006 10:02:14 AM EDT
Your coworker is a f*Cking loser, 'nuff said.
Link Posted: 3/31/2006 10:03:56 AM EDT
You should have attacked him and if he put his hands up told him it was an emotional response and that he wasn't really under threat..
Link Posted: 3/31/2006 10:06:45 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Valkyrie:
You should have attacked him and if he put his hands up told him it was an emotional response and that he wasn't really under threat..





I like that.
Link Posted: 3/31/2006 10:07:03 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Shane333:
Well, I just stopped by Sean's cube to see how he was doing (I'm his manager). He made an interesting remark that he was cool, but sure hoped I wasn't angry. The painfully obvious suggestion was that I, as a gun enthusiast, am somehow dangerous if I feel upset.

Good grief, I'm a soft hearted guy who's never picked a fight in my life. Apparently being a gun enthusiast is supposed to make me unstable somehow.

I'm going to let this go for now.



Probably a good idea. You seem to be getting angry, and strike me as the kind of guy who might be somehow dangerous if you feel upset.






Seriously, maybe taking him shooting will lead to an emotional epiphany, and he'll begin to listen to logic.



Link Posted: 3/31/2006 10:09:19 AM EDT
He's a dumbass.

I've quit trying to "educate" dumbasses who don't seek knowledge and truth on their own behalf. It's a waste of time, and just ends up pissing everyone off.

Just smile and be on your way.

Talk about football or something.
Link Posted: 3/31/2006 10:09:23 AM EDT
Link Posted: 3/31/2006 10:15:18 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/31/2006 10:16:07 AM EDT by u-baddog]

Originally Posted By Shane333:

Originally Posted By sum-rifle:
You should have pulled out your large cock to show him you were not compensating for anything by owning firearms. That's what I always do.



I could have, but I like my job and also I'm not in the habit of showing my large cock to men.



So you admit its happened before .................

Keep slapping him in the head, he will see it your way or go blind.
Link Posted: 3/31/2006 10:21:36 AM EDT

Originally Posted By sum-rifle:
You should have pulled out your large cock to show him you were not compensating for anything by owning firearms. That's what I always do.



That's the ticket. Just the threat of that happening usually makes people retreat.
Link Posted: 3/31/2006 10:41:06 AM EDT
I would have said...

Link Posted: 3/31/2006 11:21:34 AM EDT
for some reason i dont trust any man that does not like guns or blowing shit up
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