Navy F-14s Shootdown Libyan MiG-23s

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Posted: 3/30/2006 12:05:33 PM EDT

Gulf of Sidra incident, 1989. Two Navy F-14s shootdown two Libyan MiG-23s. This is the audio from the comms. Very intense.

www.ka8vit.com/sd/SHOOTDN2.MP3

Posted: 3/30/2006 12:09:29 PM EDT

[#1]

And Congress, Shot down the F-14's. No footage available.

Posted: 3/30/2006 12:10:39 PM EDT

[#2]

I thought they were Libyan SU-22s armed with R-60s.

Posted: 3/30/2006 12:12:13 PM EDT

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I thought they were Libyan SU-22s armed with R-60s.

I think that was the 1981 incident. We shot down Libyans twice

Posted: 3/30/2006 12:13:38 PM EDT

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I thought they were Libyan SU-22s armed with R-60s.

I think that was the 1986 incident. We shot down Libyans twice

Anybody up for 3rds?

Posted: 3/30/2006 12:15:18 PM EDT

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I thought they were Libyan SU-22s armed with R-60s.

I think that was the 1986 incident. We shot down Libyans twice

Anybody up for 3rds?

They gave up.

Posted: 3/30/2006 12:18:24 PM EDT

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I thought they were Libyan SU-22s armed with R-60s.

I think that was the 1986 incident. We shot down Libyans twice

Anybody up for 3rds?

They gave up.

pussies

Posted: 3/30/2006 12:18:31 PM EDT

[#7]

Tag

Posted: 3/30/2006 12:19:06 PM EDT

[#8]

Hey, navy guys, isn't it problematic to use both starboard and right in the same comm? Or is there something I am missing?

Posted: 3/30/2006 12:20:07 PM EDT

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Hey, navy guys, isn't it problematic to use both starboard and right in the same comm? Or is there something I am missing?

In my very limited aviation career so far, I've yet to hear someone say "turn to starboard" or whatnot. We just said left and right... there may be different convention at sea or whatever. I'd like to defer to someone who is more knowledgeable.

Posted: 3/30/2006 12:22:50 PM EDT

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Hey, navy guys, isn't it problematic to use both starboard and right in the same comm? Or is there something I am missing?

In my very limited aviation career so far, I've yet to hear someone say "turn to starboard" or whatnot. We just said left and right... there may be different convention at sea or whatever. I'd like to defer to someone who is more knowledgeable.

In the aviation community I think right anfd left are the standard terms as opposed to their nautical counterparts. I have yet to see anyone in the C-130 or P-3 communtiy say anything but right or left.

BTW sir, you gonna be around NAS Willow grove anytime? Thinking a ride in a Bug wouold be fun

Posted: 3/30/2006 12:24:09 PM EDT

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I don't know the story so could someone fill me in, why did they attack our planes?

Kick ass sound clip by the way

Posted: 3/30/2006 12:25:22 PM EDT

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In the aviation community I think right anfd left are the standard terms as opposed to their nautical counterparts. I have yet to see anyone in the C-130 or P-3 communtiy say anything but right or left.

BTW sir, you gonna be around NAS Willow grove anytime? Thinking a ride in a Bug wouold be fun

Nope, heading to NAS Lemoore unfortunately. If I get orders to NAS Oceana afterwards though, we'll see

Posted: 3/30/2006 12:25:28 PM EDT

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Hey, navy guys, isn't it problematic to use both starboard and right in the same comm? Or is there something I am missing?

In my very limited aviation career so far, I've yet to hear someone say "turn to starboard" or whatnot. We just said left and right... there may be different convention at sea or whatever. I'd like to defer to someone who is more knowledgeable.

I only ask because the recording uses both. I guess they are ARFcomers.

Posted: 3/30/2006 12:25:50 PM EDT

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I don't know the story so could someone fill me in, why did they attack our planes?

IIRC, Lybia claimed national waters extending out 200 miles, while the US only recognized the standard 12(?) miles. We sent ships on maneuvers less than 200 miles but more than 12 miles out and they attacked us.

Posted: 3/30/2006 12:25:52 PM EDT

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Hey, navy guys, isn't it problematic to use both starboard and right in the same comm? Or is there something I am missing?

Nah, as long as everyone understands what you mean.

For instance, in the Surface Navy we use left and right as rudder orders and port and starboard as engine orders.

As long as everyone knows what you mean there isn't a problem.

Posted: 3/30/2006 12:26:10 PM EDT

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What does it mean to "jink"?

Posted: 3/30/2006 12:26:44 PM EDT

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I don't know the story so could someone fill me in, why did they attack our planes?

Kick ass sound clip by the way

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_of_Sidra_incident_%281989%29

Posted: 3/30/2006 12:30:18 PM EDT

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What does it mean to "jink"?

Imprecise course change. Just a term for manuver.

Posted: 3/30/2006 12:30:22 PM EDT

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In the aviation community I think right anfd left are the standard terms as opposed to their nautical counterparts. I have yet to see anyone in the C-130 or P-3 communtiy say anything but right or left.

BTW sir, you gonna be around NAS Willow grove anytime? Thinking a ride in a Bug wouold be fun

Nope, heading to NAS Lemoore unfortunately. If I get orders to NAS Oceana afterwards though, we'll see

We do a lot of CAG moves to and from Lemoore out of North Island. Probably see you around. Kinda desolate there though. The Hertz rental car girl is pretty hot though. She partied with us when we broke there. We ordered pizza and bought 5 cases and had a little gig right in the lobby at the Navy Lodge.. She has a hot Sea Bee roomate too. Just a FYI.. maybe pertinant or not..

Posted: 3/30/2006 12:30:26 PM EDT

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Posted: 3/30/2006 12:32:20 PM EDT

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Hey, navy guys, isn't it problematic to use both starboard and right in the same comm? Or is there something I am missing?

Nah, as long as everyone understands what you mean.

For instance, in the Surface Navy we use left and right as rudder orders and port and starboard as engine orders.

As long as everyone knows what you mean there isn't a problem.

I can relate. I use three forms of "awknowleged". Roger, Copy, and Aye are used to tell one of the three radios I am using that I got it. The last is used for the internal intercom traffic so he knows if I am talking to him or the tower or the cops.

Posted: 3/30/2006 12:33:38 PM EDT

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Hey, navy guys, isn't it problematic to use both starboard and right in the same comm? Or is there something I am missing?

In my very limited aviation career so far, I've yet to hear someone say "turn to starboard" or whatnot. We just said left and right... there may be different convention at sea or whatever. I'd like to defer to someone who is more knowledgeable.

"Party 210, port observation, nose is cold, switches safe"

Heard that (with different callsigns) on a ton of occasions as fighters are ready to move back and get a drink.

Posted: 3/30/2006 12:33:42 PM EDT

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I wasnt around in 81, and too young to remember it in 89, so I got kind of excited when I read the title thinking it happened recently lol.

Posted: 3/30/2006 12:34:01 PM EDT

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Geez, those libyan pilots made it clear they wanted a fight. The second kill sound like a close range missile shot.

Posted: 3/30/2006 12:34:51 PM EDT

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Hey, navy guys, isn't it problematic to use both starboard and right in the same comm? Or is there something I am missing?

Nah, as long as everyone understands what you mean.

For instance, in the Surface Navy we use left and right as rudder orders and port and starboard as engine orders.

As long as everyone knows what you mean there isn't a problem.

I can relate. I use three forms of "awknowleged". Roger, Copy, and Aye are used to tell one of the three radios I am using that I got it. The last is used for the internal intercom traffic so he knows if I am talking to him or the tower or the cops.

Fire department we also use clear and understood. I'm always one step away from screwing up an ATC comm.

Posted: 3/30/2006 12:36:12 PM EDT

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Geez, those libyan pilots made it clear they wanted a fight. The second kill sound like a close range missile shot.

It was, AIM-9 Sidewinder kill. The HUD footage is out there somewhere, you can watch it happen.

Posted: 3/30/2006 12:41:05 PM EDT

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Hey, navy guys, isn't it problematic to use both starboard and right in the same comm? Or is there something I am missing?

In my very limited aviation career so far, I've yet to hear someone say "turn to starboard" or whatnot. We just said left and right... there may be different convention at sea or whatever. I'd like to defer to someone who is more knowledgeable.

I have never heard the term "starboard" or "port" being applied to naval air operations. It is always left or right.

GySgt D
Naval aviation guy.

Posted: 3/30/2006 12:44:40 PM EDT

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Hey, navy guys, isn't it problematic to use both starboard and right in the same comm? Or is there something I am missing?

Nah, as long as everyone understands what you mean.

For instance, in the Surface Navy we use left and right as rudder orders and port and starboard as engine orders.

As long as everyone knows what you mean there isn't a problem.

I can relate. I use three forms of "awknowleged". Roger, Copy, and Aye are used to tell one of the three radios I am using that I got it. The last is used for the internal intercom traffic so he knows if I am talking to him or the tower or the cops.

I know where you're coming from. We had Bridge to Bridge radio on one side of the bridge and a secured circuit on the other side each with different protocol. Depending on who we were talking to there may be different protocol on the Bridge to Bridge. And depending on what circuit was patched in to the other radio there may be even different protocol.

Posted: 3/30/2006 12:48:04 PM EDT

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Hey, navy guys, isn't it problematic to use both starboard and right in the same comm? Or is there something I am missing?

Nah, as long as everyone understands what you mean.

For instance, in the Surface Navy we use left and right as rudder orders and port and starboard as engine orders.

As long as everyone knows what you mean there isn't a problem.

I can relate. I use three forms of "awknowleged". Roger, Copy, and Aye are used to tell one of the three radios I am using that I got it. The last is used for the internal intercom traffic so he knows if I am talking to him or the tower or the cops.

I know where you're coming from. We had Bridge to Bridge radio on one side of the bridge and a secured circuit on the other side each with different protocol. Depending on who we were talking to there may be different protocol on the Bridge to Bridge. And depending on what circuit was patched in to the other radio there may be even different protocol.

Is the bridge to bridge is where you got to say "can ye smell it" and the secure was "10-4 good buddy"?

Posted: 3/30/2006 12:51:16 PM EDT

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Hey, navy guys, isn't it problematic to use both starboard and right in the same comm? Or is there something I am missing?

Nah, as long as everyone understands what you mean.

For instance, in the Surface Navy we use left and right as rudder orders and port and starboard as engine orders.

As long as everyone knows what you mean there isn't a problem.

I can relate. I use three forms of "awknowleged". Roger, Copy, and Aye are used to tell one of the three radios I am using that I got it. The last is used for the internal intercom traffic so he knows if I am talking to him or the tower or the cops.

I know where you're coming from. We had Bridge to Bridge radio on one side of the bridge and a secured circuit on the other side each with different protocol. Depending on who we were talking to there may be different protocol on the Bridge to Bridge. And depending on what circuit was patched in to the other radio there may be even different protocol.

Our system works really well if for no other reason than the same two people man it every day without exception. It prevents the cockpit from sounding like the take-off scene in "Airplane" the movie!

Also, the tower knows me quite well and forgive the occasional "copy" and the police dispatchers forgive the errant "Roger". The back seater though is "Wa?" "Huh?".

Posted: 3/30/2006 12:53:59 PM EDT

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I thought they were Libyan SU-22s armed with R-60s.

I think that was the 1986 incident. We shot down Libyans twice

Anybody up for 3rds?

They gave up.

+1.

They blinked* first.

* synonyms: "said uncle," "tapped out," etc.

Posted: 3/30/2006 12:56:17 PM EDT

[#32]

Download movie here

Posted: 3/30/2006 12:57:47 PM EDT

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What does it mean to "jink"?

Imprecise course change. Just a term for manuver.

Hard, fast and random.

Posted: 3/30/2006 12:59:05 PM EDT

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What does it mean to "jink"?

Imprecise course change. Just a term for manuver.

Hard, fast and random.

That's sig line material there.

Posted: 3/30/2006 1:12:48 PM EDT

[#35]

Thanks for posting that. Good stuff.

Thanks!

Posted: 3/30/2006 1:21:25 PM EDT

[#36]

"Jink" is the pilot codeword to start the secret "see-how-hard-you-can-smack-the-RIO's-head-against-the-canopy" contest.

Honest truth.

Posted: 3/30/2006 1:25:37 PM EDT

[#37]

Shoot him!

I cant, I dont have a fucking tone!

Awesome.!

Posted: 3/30/2006 1:29:14 PM EDT

[#38]

That must have been fricking awesome.

Posted: 3/30/2006 1:32:07 PM EDT

[#39]

Jink = manuever to avoid enemy fire.

Usually port and starboard are used in the shipboard environment. Winds will be called in port and starboard. "Winds 10 to port at 30 knots". Aircraft will make calls in reference to the carrier. Take port/ starboard delta patern. Request starboard turnout. Ship is in a starboard turn, etc.

Posted: 3/30/2006 1:42:34 PM EDT

[#40]

Good shoot in my book, looks like the Floggers came out looking for a fight and got one. Of course you navy guys have everything backwards in aviation, but I won't hold that against you. Lockheed had some screwy ID system for tires and brakes too. Now I under stand Fox means missle away, and I guess 1 is radar missle, 2 is IR. Is that right?

Posted: 3/30/2006 1:44:29 PM EDT

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Good shoot in my book, looks like the Floggers came out looking for a fight and got one. Of course you navy guys have everything backwards in aviation, but I won't hold that against you. Lockheed had some screwy ID system for tires and brakes too. Now I under stand Fox means missle away, and I guess 1 is radar missle, 2 is IR. Is that right?

FOX-1: AIM-7 Sparrow
FOX-2: AIM-9 Sidewinder
FOX-3: AIM-120 AMRAAM

Not sure what they used to say for Phoenix.

Posted: 3/30/2006 1:56:49 PM EDT

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Good shoot in my book, looks like the Floggers came out looking for a fight and got one. Of course you navy guys have everything backwards in aviation, but I won't hold that against you. Lockheed had some screwy ID system for tires and brakes too. Now I under stand Fox means missle away, and I guess 1 is radar missle, 2 is IR. Is that right?

FOX-1: AIM-7 Sparrow
FOX-2: AIM-9 Sidewinder
FOX-3: AIM-120 AMRAAM

Not sure what they used to say for Phoenix.

Ok what about Mavericks, and I think aircraft can launch Harpoons. Granted those two are air to gound missles.

Posted: 3/30/2006 1:59:07 PM EDT

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Ok what about Mavericks, and I think aircraft can launch Harpoons. Granted those two are air to gound missles.

Don't know about those ones. I know the AGM-88 HARM is Magnum.

Posted: 3/30/2006 2:00:26 PM EDT

[#44]

tag for speakers

Posted: 3/30/2006 2:04:11 PM EDT

[#45]

Tag 4 home

Posted: 3/30/2006 2:13:29 PM EDT

[#46]

One of the F14s that scored a kill is in Midland, TX at the American Airpower Heritage museum. It's sitting out back of the hangar. Visited last May with a group of Porsche owners... they let us drive our cars back there, and we got some pictures in front of the planes. There was the F-14, an F-111, and a British postwar bomber/recon plane (quad prop).

The F-14 had a kill stencilled on the fuselage below the canopy. It was pretty neat to see. I'll see if I can dig up the pictures I took... I got a few of that bird.

Posted: 3/30/2006 2:22:29 PM EDT

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I thought they were Libyan SU-22s armed with R-60s.

I think that was the 1986 incident. We shot down Libyans twice

Anybody up for 3rds?

They gave up.

+1 also shooting a rocket through the bedroom window of the Nations leader send s clear message.