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Posted: 3/30/2006 12:05:33 PM EDT
Gulf of Sidra incident, 1989. Two Navy F-14s shootdown two Libyan MiG-23s. This is the audio from the comms. Very intense.

www.ka8vit.com/sd/SHOOTDN2.MP3
Link Posted: 3/30/2006 12:09:29 PM EDT
And Congress, Shot down the F-14's. No footage available.
Link Posted: 3/30/2006 12:10:39 PM EDT
I thought they were Libyan SU-22s armed with R-60s.
Link Posted: 3/30/2006 12:12:13 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/30/2006 12:14:36 PM EDT by Fly-Navy]

Originally Posted By DnPRK:
I thought they were Libyan SU-22s armed with R-60s.



I think that was the 1981 incident. We shot down Libyans twice
Link Posted: 3/30/2006 12:13:38 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Fly-Navy:

Originally Posted By DnPRK:
I thought they were Libyan SU-22s armed with R-60s.



I think that was the 1986 incident. We shot down Libyans twice



Anybody up for 3rds?
Link Posted: 3/30/2006 12:15:18 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Partisan:

Originally Posted By Fly-Navy:

Originally Posted By DnPRK:
I thought they were Libyan SU-22s armed with R-60s.



I think that was the 1986 incident. We shot down Libyans twice



Anybody up for 3rds?



They gave up.
Link Posted: 3/30/2006 12:18:24 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Bama-Shooter:

Originally Posted By Partisan:

Originally Posted By Fly-Navy:

Originally Posted By DnPRK:
I thought they were Libyan SU-22s armed with R-60s.



I think that was the 1986 incident. We shot down Libyans twice



Anybody up for 3rds?



They gave up.


pussies
Link Posted: 3/30/2006 12:18:31 PM EDT
Tag
Link Posted: 3/30/2006 12:19:06 PM EDT
Hey, navy guys, isn't it problematic to use both starboard and right in the same comm? Or is there something I am missing?
Link Posted: 3/30/2006 12:20:07 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Planerench:
Hey, navy guys, isn't it problematic to use both starboard and right in the same comm? Or is there something I am missing?



In my very limited aviation career so far, I've yet to hear someone say "turn to starboard" or whatnot. We just said left and right... there may be different convention at sea or whatever. I'd like to defer to someone who is more knowledgeable.
Link Posted: 3/30/2006 12:22:50 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Fly-Navy:

Originally Posted By Planerench:
Hey, navy guys, isn't it problematic to use both starboard and right in the same comm? Or is there something I am missing?



In my very limited aviation career so far, I've yet to hear someone say "turn to starboard" or whatnot. We just said left and right... there may be different convention at sea or whatever. I'd like to defer to someone who is more knowledgeable.



In the aviation community I think right anfd left are the standard terms as opposed to their nautical counterparts. I have yet to see anyone in the C-130 or P-3 communtiy say anything but right or left.

BTW sir, you gonna be around NAS Willow grove anytime? Thinking a ride in a Bug wouold be fun
Link Posted: 3/30/2006 12:24:09 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/30/2006 12:25:22 PM EDT by KJCA3]
I don't know the story so could someone fill me in, why did they attack our planes?

Kick ass sound clip by the way
Link Posted: 3/30/2006 12:25:22 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Valkyrie:
In the aviation community I think right anfd left are the standard terms as opposed to their nautical counterparts. I have yet to see anyone in the C-130 or P-3 communtiy say anything but right or left.

BTW sir, you gonna be around NAS Willow grove anytime? Thinking a ride in a Bug wouold be fun



Nope, heading to NAS Lemoore unfortunately. If I get orders to NAS Oceana afterwards though, we'll see
Link Posted: 3/30/2006 12:25:28 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Fly-Navy:

Originally Posted By Planerench:
Hey, navy guys, isn't it problematic to use both starboard and right in the same comm? Or is there something I am missing?



In my very limited aviation career so far, I've yet to hear someone say "turn to starboard" or whatnot. We just said left and right... there may be different convention at sea or whatever. I'd like to defer to someone who is more knowledgeable.



I only ask because the recording uses both. I guess they are ARFcomers.
Link Posted: 3/30/2006 12:25:50 PM EDT

Originally Posted By KJCA3:
I don't know the story so could someone fill me in, why did they attack our planes?



IIRC, Lybia claimed national waters extending out 200 miles, while the US only recognized the standard 12(?) miles. We sent ships on maneuvers less than 200 miles but more than 12 miles out and they attacked us.
Link Posted: 3/30/2006 12:25:52 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Planerench:
Hey, navy guys, isn't it problematic to use both starboard and right in the same comm? Or is there something I am missing?


Nah, as long as everyone understands what you mean.

For instance, in the Surface Navy we use left and right as rudder orders and port and starboard as engine orders.

As long as everyone knows what you mean there isn't a problem.
Link Posted: 3/30/2006 12:26:10 PM EDT
What does it mean to "jink"?
Link Posted: 3/30/2006 12:26:44 PM EDT

Originally Posted By KJCA3:
I don't know the story so could someone fill me in, why did they attack our planes?

Kick ass sound clip by the way



en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_of_Sidra_incident_%281989%29

Link Posted: 3/30/2006 12:30:18 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/30/2006 12:33:25 PM EDT by Planerench]

Originally Posted By Greenhorn:
What does it mean to "jink"?



Imprecise course change. Just a term for manuver.
Link Posted: 3/30/2006 12:30:22 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Fly-Navy:

Originally Posted By Valkyrie:
In the aviation community I think right anfd left are the standard terms as opposed to their nautical counterparts. I have yet to see anyone in the C-130 or P-3 communtiy say anything but right or left.

BTW sir, you gonna be around NAS Willow grove anytime? Thinking a ride in a Bug wouold be fun



Nope, heading to NAS Lemoore unfortunately. If I get orders to NAS Oceana afterwards though, we'll see



We do a lot of CAG moves to and from Lemoore out of North Island. Probably see you around. Kinda desolate there though. The Hertz rental car girl is pretty hot though. She partied with us when we broke there. We ordered pizza and bought 5 cases and had a little gig right in the lobby at the Navy Lodge.. She has a hot Sea Bee roomate too. Just a FYI.. maybe pertinant or not..
Link Posted: 3/30/2006 12:30:26 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 3/30/2006 12:32:20 PM EDT

Originally Posted By dport:

Originally Posted By Planerench:
Hey, navy guys, isn't it problematic to use both starboard and right in the same comm? Or is there something I am missing?


Nah, as long as everyone understands what you mean.

For instance, in the Surface Navy we use left and right as rudder orders and port and starboard as engine orders.

As long as everyone knows what you mean there isn't a problem.



I can relate. I use three forms of "awknowleged". Roger, Copy, and Aye are used to tell one of the three radios I am using that I got it. The last is used for the internal intercom traffic so he knows if I am talking to him or the tower or the cops.
Link Posted: 3/30/2006 12:33:38 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Fly-Navy:

Originally Posted By Planerench:
Hey, navy guys, isn't it problematic to use both starboard and right in the same comm? Or is there something I am missing?



In my very limited aviation career so far, I've yet to hear someone say "turn to starboard" or whatnot. We just said left and right... there may be different convention at sea or whatever. I'd like to defer to someone who is more knowledgeable.



"Party 210, port observation, nose is cold, switches safe"

Heard that (with different callsigns) on a ton of occasions as fighters are ready to move back and get a drink.
Link Posted: 3/30/2006 12:33:42 PM EDT
I wasnt around in 81, and too young to remember it in 89, so I got kind of excited when I read the title thinking it happened recently lol.
Link Posted: 3/30/2006 12:34:01 PM EDT
Geez, those libyan pilots made it clear they wanted a fight. The second kill sound like a close range missile shot.
Link Posted: 3/30/2006 12:34:51 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Planerench:

Originally Posted By dport:

Originally Posted By Planerench:
Hey, navy guys, isn't it problematic to use both starboard and right in the same comm? Or is there something I am missing?


Nah, as long as everyone understands what you mean.

For instance, in the Surface Navy we use left and right as rudder orders and port and starboard as engine orders.

As long as everyone knows what you mean there isn't a problem.



I can relate. I use three forms of "awknowleged". Roger, Copy, and Aye are used to tell one of the three radios I am using that I got it. The last is used for the internal intercom traffic so he knows if I am talking to him or the tower or the cops.



Fire department we also use clear and understood. I'm always one step away from screwing up an ATC comm.
Link Posted: 3/30/2006 12:36:12 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Lord_Grey_Boots:
Geez, those libyan pilots made it clear they wanted a fight. The second kill sound like a close range missile shot.



It was, AIM-9 Sidewinder kill. The HUD footage is out there somewhere, you can watch it happen.
Link Posted: 3/30/2006 12:41:05 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Fly-Navy:

Originally Posted By Planerench:
Hey, navy guys, isn't it problematic to use both starboard and right in the same comm? Or is there something I am missing?



In my very limited aviation career so far, I've yet to hear someone say "turn to starboard" or whatnot. We just said left and right... there may be different convention at sea or whatever. I'd like to defer to someone who is more knowledgeable.



I have never heard the term "starboard" or "port" being applied to naval air operations. It is always left or right.

GySgt D
Naval aviation guy.
Link Posted: 3/30/2006 12:44:40 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Planerench:

Originally Posted By dport:

Originally Posted By Planerench:
Hey, navy guys, isn't it problematic to use both starboard and right in the same comm? Or is there something I am missing?


Nah, as long as everyone understands what you mean.

For instance, in the Surface Navy we use left and right as rudder orders and port and starboard as engine orders.

As long as everyone knows what you mean there isn't a problem.



I can relate. I use three forms of "awknowleged". Roger, Copy, and Aye are used to tell one of the three radios I am using that I got it. The last is used for the internal intercom traffic so he knows if I am talking to him or the tower or the cops.


I know where you're coming from. We had Bridge to Bridge radio on one side of the bridge and a secured circuit on the other side each with different protocol. Depending on who we were talking to there may be different protocol on the Bridge to Bridge. And depending on what circuit was patched in to the other radio there may be even different protocol.
Link Posted: 3/30/2006 12:48:04 PM EDT

Originally Posted By dport:

Originally Posted By Planerench:

Originally Posted By dport:

Originally Posted By Planerench:
Hey, navy guys, isn't it problematic to use both starboard and right in the same comm? Or is there something I am missing?


Nah, as long as everyone understands what you mean.

For instance, in the Surface Navy we use left and right as rudder orders and port and starboard as engine orders.

As long as everyone knows what you mean there isn't a problem.



I can relate. I use three forms of "awknowleged". Roger, Copy, and Aye are used to tell one of the three radios I am using that I got it. The last is used for the internal intercom traffic so he knows if I am talking to him or the tower or the cops.


I know where you're coming from. We had Bridge to Bridge radio on one side of the bridge and a secured circuit on the other side each with different protocol. Depending on who we were talking to there may be different protocol on the Bridge to Bridge. And depending on what circuit was patched in to the other radio there may be even different protocol.



Is the bridge to bridge is where you got to say "can ye smell it" and the secure was "10-4 good buddy"?
Link Posted: 3/30/2006 12:51:16 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/30/2006 12:53:02 PM EDT by Planerench]

Originally Posted By dport:

Originally Posted By Planerench:

Originally Posted By dport:

Originally Posted By Planerench:
Hey, navy guys, isn't it problematic to use both starboard and right in the same comm? Or is there something I am missing?


Nah, as long as everyone understands what you mean.

For instance, in the Surface Navy we use left and right as rudder orders and port and starboard as engine orders.

As long as everyone knows what you mean there isn't a problem.



I can relate. I use three forms of "awknowleged". Roger, Copy, and Aye are used to tell one of the three radios I am using that I got it. The last is used for the internal intercom traffic so he knows if I am talking to him or the tower or the cops.


I know where you're coming from. We had Bridge to Bridge radio on one side of the bridge and a secured circuit on the other side each with different protocol. Depending on who we were talking to there may be different protocol on the Bridge to Bridge. And depending on what circuit was patched in to the other radio there may be even different protocol.



Our system works really well if for no other reason than the same two people man it every day without exception. It prevents the cockpit from sounding like the take-off scene in "Airplane" the movie!

Also, the tower knows me quite well and forgive the occasional "copy" and the police dispatchers forgive the errant "Roger". The back seater though is "Wa?" "Huh?".
Link Posted: 3/30/2006 12:53:59 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Bama-Shooter:

Originally Posted By Partisan:

Originally Posted By Fly-Navy:

Originally Posted By DnPRK:
I thought they were Libyan SU-22s armed with R-60s.


I think that was the 1986 incident. We shot down Libyans twice


Anybody up for 3rds?


They gave up.


+1.

They blinked* first.


* synonyms: "said uncle," "tapped out," etc.
Link Posted: 3/30/2006 12:56:17 PM EDT
Download movie here
Link Posted: 3/30/2006 12:57:47 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Planerench:

Originally Posted By Greenhorn:
What does it mean to "jink"?



Imprecise course change. Just a term for manuver.



Hard, fast and random.
Link Posted: 3/30/2006 12:59:05 PM EDT

Originally Posted By NimmerMehr:

Originally Posted By Planerench:

Originally Posted By Greenhorn:
What does it mean to "jink"?



Imprecise course change. Just a term for manuver.



Hard, fast and random.



That's sig line material there.
Link Posted: 3/30/2006 1:12:48 PM EDT
Thanks for posting that. Good stuff.

Thanks!
Link Posted: 3/30/2006 1:21:25 PM EDT
"Jink" is the pilot codeword to start the secret "see-how-hard-you-can-smack-the-RIO's-head-against-the-canopy" contest.

Honest truth.
Link Posted: 3/30/2006 1:25:37 PM EDT
Shoot him!

I cant, I dont have a fucking tone!


Awesome.!
Link Posted: 3/30/2006 1:29:14 PM EDT
That must have been fricking awesome.
Link Posted: 3/30/2006 1:32:07 PM EDT
Jink = manuever to avoid enemy fire.

Usually port and starboard are used in the shipboard environment. Winds will be called in port and starboard. "Winds 10 to port at 30 knots". Aircraft will make calls in reference to the carrier. Take port/ starboard delta patern. Request starboard turnout. Ship is in a starboard turn, etc.
Link Posted: 3/30/2006 1:42:34 PM EDT
Good shoot in my book, looks like the Floggers came out looking for a fight and got one. Of course you navy guys have everything backwards in aviation, but I won't hold that against you. Lockheed had some screwy ID system for tires and brakes too. Now I under stand Fox means missle away, and I guess 1 is radar missle, 2 is IR. Is that right?
Link Posted: 3/30/2006 1:44:29 PM EDT

Originally Posted By DeltaAir423:
Good shoot in my book, looks like the Floggers came out looking for a fight and got one. Of course you navy guys have everything backwards in aviation, but I won't hold that against you. Lockheed had some screwy ID system for tires and brakes too. Now I under stand Fox means missle away, and I guess 1 is radar missle, 2 is IR. Is that right?



FOX-1: AIM-7 Sparrow
FOX-2: AIM-9 Sidewinder
FOX-3: AIM-120 AMRAAM

Not sure what they used to say for Phoenix.
Link Posted: 3/30/2006 1:56:49 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Fly-Navy:

Originally Posted By DeltaAir423:
Good shoot in my book, looks like the Floggers came out looking for a fight and got one. Of course you navy guys have everything backwards in aviation, but I won't hold that against you. Lockheed had some screwy ID system for tires and brakes too. Now I under stand Fox means missle away, and I guess 1 is radar missle, 2 is IR. Is that right?



FOX-1: AIM-7 Sparrow
FOX-2: AIM-9 Sidewinder
FOX-3: AIM-120 AMRAAM

Not sure what they used to say for Phoenix.




Ok what about Mavericks, and I think aircraft can launch Harpoons. Granted those two are air to gound missles.
Link Posted: 3/30/2006 1:59:07 PM EDT

Originally Posted By DeltaAir423:
Ok what about Mavericks, and I think aircraft can launch Harpoons. Granted those two are air to gound missles.



Don't know about those ones. I know the AGM-88 HARM is Magnum.
Link Posted: 3/30/2006 2:00:26 PM EDT
tag for speakers
Link Posted: 3/30/2006 2:04:11 PM EDT
Tag 4 home
Link Posted: 3/30/2006 2:13:29 PM EDT
One of the F14s that scored a kill is in Midland, TX at the American Airpower Heritage museum. It's sitting out back of the hangar. Visited last May with a group of Porsche owners... they let us drive our cars back there, and we got some pictures in front of the planes. There was the F-14, an F-111, and a British postwar bomber/recon plane (quad prop).


The F-14 had a kill stencilled on the fuselage below the canopy. It was pretty neat to see. I'll see if I can dig up the pictures I took... I got a few of that bird.
Link Posted: 3/30/2006 2:22:29 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Bama-Shooter:

Originally Posted By Partisan:

Originally Posted By Fly-Navy:

Originally Posted By DnPRK:
I thought they were Libyan SU-22s armed with R-60s.



I think that was the 1986 incident. We shot down Libyans twice



Anybody up for 3rds?



They gave up.



+1 also shooting a rocket through the bedroom window of the Nations leader send s clear message.
Link Posted: 3/30/2006 2:25:29 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Punani:
Download movie here



won't play
Link Posted: 3/30/2006 3:19:22 PM EDT

Originally Posted By CitySlicker:

Originally Posted By Punani:
Download movie here



won't play



im downloading now... at 99mb... it BETTER play!
Link Posted: 3/30/2006 3:22:16 PM EDT
Played for me.
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