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Posted: 3/30/2006 3:54:19 AM EDT
javascript:cnnVideo('play','/video/tech/2006/03/29/chernoff.drunk.internet.cnn','2006/04/05');

hahaha i've seen the video in question.
Link Posted: 3/30/2006 4:06:48 AM EDT
[#1]
She sounds mentally unstable.
Link Posted: 3/30/2006 4:22:31 AM EDT
[#2]

She sounds mentally unstable.


I would say so...she tried to kill herself over it.
Link Posted: 3/30/2006 4:28:59 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 3/30/2006 9:39:10 AM EDT
[#4]
Thats a javascript sub link off the cnn page.  You need to provide the story link so people can click it from there.
Link Posted: 3/30/2006 9:41:37 AM EDT
[#5]
I caught that. My wife and I were in shock. What an idiot! Perfect victim mentality - "they made me do it"

It's too bad that when she sobered up and realized what she did - and realized that her daddy would be disappointed with her, that she tried to kill herself. But she was being stupid, and sometimes stupid hurts.
Link Posted: 3/30/2006 9:46:43 AM EDT
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I thought this was gonna be about Ted Kennedy.  
Link Posted: 3/30/2006 9:49:25 AM EDT
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Thats a javascript sub link off the cnn page.  You need to provide the story link so people can click it from there.




No kidding.  I can't find the story on CNN either, WTF?
Link Posted: 3/30/2006 11:54:12 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 3/30/2006 12:03:35 PM EDT
[#9]
bump, post link to the story.
Link Posted: 3/30/2006 12:09:13 PM EDT
[#10]
go to www.cnn.com and click on "exploitation on the web?"
Link Posted: 3/30/2006 12:16:12 PM EDT
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I thought this was gonna be about Ted Kennedy.  



 I was thinking janet 'baby burner' reno.  
Link Posted: 3/30/2006 12:17:14 PM EDT
[#12]
Ugh, total whiney bitch. Take responsibility for your own actions.
Link Posted: 3/30/2006 12:17:53 PM EDT
[#13]
Tagged for home view.
Link Posted: 3/30/2006 12:23:51 PM EDT
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I caught that. My wife and I were in shock. What an idiot! Perfect victim mentality - "they made me do it"

It's too bad that when she sobered up and realized what she did - and realized that her daddy would be disappointed with her, that she tried to kill herself. But she was being stupid, and sometimes stupid hurts.



So if a girl gets drunk and gets raped, it's her fault?  Yeah, right.  When anyone is drunk, they are not in the right frame of mind to make the right decisions and when anyone takes advantage of them in that state, they should be held accountable.
Link Posted: 3/30/2006 12:26:55 PM EDT
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for fucks sakes! direct link
Link Posted: 3/30/2006 12:30:43 PM EDT
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Any chance of a cliff notes on the video, I don't feel like watching it.
Link Posted: 3/30/2006 12:38:22 PM EDT
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I caught that. My wife and I were in shock. What an idiot! Perfect victim mentality - "they made me do it"

It's too bad that when she sobered up and realized what she did - and realized that her daddy would be disappointed with her, that she tried to kill herself. But she was being stupid, and sometimes stupid hurts.



So if a girl gets drunk and gets raped, it's her fault?  Yeah, right.  When anyone is drunk, they are not in the right frame of mind to make the right decisions and when anyone takes advantage of them in that state, they should be held accountable.



What is the definition of drunk? Here in Texas, if a girl has more than two alcoholic beverages, she is considered "drunk" and unable to give consent, as if two tequila shots is going to knock someone off their ass.
Link Posted: 3/30/2006 12:38:28 PM EDT
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Any chance of a cliff notes on the video, I don't feel like watching it.



Dumb whore does a porno and blames everyone but herself when she realizes she's now an official whorebag.
Link Posted: 3/30/2006 12:39:55 PM EDT
[#19]
lol they should charge her with underage drinking just for the hell of it
Link Posted: 3/30/2006 12:40:08 PM EDT
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Any chance of a cliff notes on the video, I don't feel like watching it.



Dumb whore does a porno and blames everyone but herself when she realizes she's now an official whorebag.





Cool now who has the link to the porno!
Link Posted: 3/30/2006 12:40:21 PM EDT
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lol they should charge her with underage drinking just for the hell of it



Link Posted: 3/30/2006 12:42:46 PM EDT
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I caught that. My wife and I were in shock. What an idiot! Perfect victim mentality - "they made me do it"

It's too bad that when she sobered up and realized what she did - and realized that her daddy would be disappointed with her, that she tried to kill herself. But she was being stupid, and sometimes stupid hurts.



So if a girl gets drunk and gets raped, it's her fault?  Yeah, right.  When anyone is drunk, they are not in the right frame of mind to make the right decisions and when anyone takes advantage of them in that state, they should be held accountable.



In no way do I advocate the rape of a drunk woman - or ANY woman (or man, or child)... Rape is one of the worst things you can do to someone IMHO short of death.

But neither do I advocate the ability of a woman to go along with things and then later when she's sober, think "oooh, that was a bad idea!" and then whine about how she was taken advantage of...

There have also been "Rapes" that occurred when a woman said "yes, yes, yes" until well after the sex was over, then later thought "no" and the guy was charged with rape. Such is the world we live in that something that messed up could happen in.
Link Posted: 3/30/2006 12:54:29 PM EDT
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But neither do I advocate the ability of a woman to go along with things and then later when she's sober, think "oooh, that was a bad idea!" and then whine about how she was taken advantage of...



So it's okay to take advantage of someone when they're drunk? Laws are in place because of predators, predators that take advantage of people, because that's why they are there.  The people who made the film are predators, they don't tape sober women, which is why they call their website drunkengirls****.com.  Just think if it was your daughter, sister, or wife that went out with her friends and one of the ppl there decided to get her drunk, it's not that hard to do after you have a few, and then hit it.  Would it be funny? Would you feel the same way?  When does her ability to reasonably handle the situation come into question?  I think when she's drunk, whatever you do to her is taking advantage of her and the ppl who filmed her, who were sober, knew it.
Link Posted: 3/30/2006 1:00:31 PM EDT
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But neither do I advocate the ability of a woman to go along with things and then later when she's sober, think "oooh, that was a bad idea!" and then whine about how she was taken advantage of...



So it's okay to take advantage of someone when they're drunk? Laws are in place because of predators, predators that take advantage of people, because that's why they are there.  The people who made the film are predators, they don't tape sober women, which is why they call their website drunkengirls****.com.  Just think if it was your daughter, sister, or wife that went out with her friends and one of the ppl there decided to get her drunk, it's not that hard to do after you have a few, and then hit it.  Would it be funny? Would you feel the same way?  When does her ability to reasonably handle the situation come into question?  I think when she's drunk, whatever you do to her is taking advantage of her and the ppl who filmed her, who were sober, knew it.



I think nobody - women especially - should get themselves into situations where they could be drunk or high to the point they cannot make decisions. This would include my daughter, sister, wife, anyone.

Did I ever say it would be funny? Did I ever say I'd "feel" anything?  Look at it pragmatically, take the CNN "poor girl" goggles off.

She made a stupid decision and later regretted it. She signed the release. Sorry. She played with fire and then got burnt. That's how you learn.
Link Posted: 3/30/2006 1:02:23 PM EDT
[#25]

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But neither do I advocate the ability of a woman to go along with things and then later when she's sober, think "oooh, that was a bad idea!" and then whine about how she was taken advantage of...



So it's okay to take advantage of someone when they're drunk? Laws are in place because of predators, predators that take advantage of people, because that's why they are there.  The people who made the film are predators, they don't tape sober women, which is why they call their website drunkengirls****.com.  Just think if it was your daughter, sister, or wife that went out with her friends and one of the ppl there decided to get her drunk, it's not that hard to do after you have a few, and then hit it.  Would it be funny? Would you feel the same way?  When does her ability to reasonably handle the situation come into question?  I think when she's drunk, whatever you do to her is taking advantage of her and the ppl who filmed her, who were sober, knew it.




lets see... she goes to a frat party... hosted BY a PORN COMPANY... gets drunk, and participates willingly in lesbian sex.... and SIGNS A FORM... dumb bitch
Link Posted: 3/30/2006 1:03:25 PM EDT
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But neither do I advocate the ability of a woman to go along with things and then later when she's sober, think "oooh, that was a bad idea!" and then whine about how she was taken advantage of...



So it's okay to take advantage of someone when they're drunk? Laws are in place because of predators, predators that take advantage of people, because that's why they are there.  The people who made the film are predators, they don't tape sober women, which is why they call their website drunkengirls****.com.  Just think if it was your daughter, sister, or wife that went out with her friends and one of the ppl there decided to get her drunk, it's not that hard to do after you have a few, and then hit it.  Would it be funny? Would you feel the same way?  When does her ability to reasonably handle the situation come into question?  I think when she's drunk, whatever you do to her is taking advantage of her and the ppl who filmed her, who were sober, knew it.



If I get drunk, and run over someone in a car, I am responsible for that death and I will be criminally punished. I may have made a bad decision I wouldn't have made while sober, but it was a choice to get drunk and drive.

Same with chicks, if a chick doesn't want to have sex with someone she may regret, she shouldn't get drunk in the first place; anything that stems from her being drunk, such as saying "yes" to having sex is her responsibility, noone elses.

I think it is ridiculous that a woman is "drunk" enough to not be able to consent after two alcoholic beverages, but a man isn't "drunk" enough to not consent till his dick doesn't work anymore.
Link Posted: 3/30/2006 1:08:30 PM EDT
[#27]
Yup, she signed the form/release... when she was drunk.  That's how they work.  Remember, the next time someone you know gets raped, just call them a whore, to their face, for placing themselves in that situation, I'm sure they'll appreciate it
Link Posted: 3/30/2006 1:12:49 PM EDT
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Yup, she signed the form/release... when she was drunk.  That's how they work.  Remember, the next time someone you know gets raped, just call them a whore, to their face, for placing themselves in that situation, I'm sure they'll appreciate it




You're very young, aren't you?
Link Posted: 3/30/2006 1:15:17 PM EDT
[#29]

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But neither do I advocate the ability of a woman to go along with things and then later when she's sober, think "oooh, that was a bad idea!" and then whine about how she was taken advantage of...



So it's okay to take advantage of someone when they're drunk? Laws are in place because of predators, predators that take advantage of people, because that's why they are there.  The people who made the film are predators, they don't tape sober women, which is why they call their website drunkengirls****.com.  Just think if it was your daughter, sister, or wife that went out with her friends and one of the ppl there decided to get her drunk, it's not that hard to do after you have a few, and then hit it.  Would it be funny? Would you feel the same way?  When does her ability to reasonably handle the situation come into question?  I think when she's drunk, whatever you do to her is taking advantage of her and the ppl who filmed her, who were sober, knew it.



I think nobody - women especially - should get themselves into situations where they could be drunk or high to the point they cannot make decisions. This would include my daughter, sister, wife, anyone.

Did I ever say it would be funny? Did I ever say I'd "feel" anything?  Look at it pragmatically, take the CNN "poor girl" goggles off.

She made a stupid decision and later regretted it. She signed the release. Sorry. She played with fire and then got burnt. That's how you learn.



drunk people cannot sign a legal contract.

nobody can come up to you when you are staggering out of a bar and get you to sign a legal document to buy investment property in florida.

the dude who did the filming is nothing more than a cheap sleezebag pornographer.

teenagers are allowed to make mistakes and regret it later.

drunken people are allowed to do dumb ass stuff and not have it destroy their lives.

if a distraught teenager came to you and said your video was ruining her life, you would not remove her tape from your website?  if so, you are a heartless scumbag parasite.

you guys surprise me sometimes.   cut people some slack.

Link Posted: 3/30/2006 1:15:56 PM EDT
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If I get drunk, and run over someone in a car, I am responsible for that death and I will be criminally punished. I may have made a bad decision I wouldn't have made while sober, but it was a choice to get drunk and drive.



What if you got drunk, didn't want to drive, then someone put you behind the wheel and all your buddies told you to drive and after considerable peer pressure did it and killed someone while a sober person was there filming it all?  Are you the only one responsible?  She was drunk, pushed into a room and then another girl started taking off her clothes while the rest of the ppl urged her on.  She was raped, she couldn't legally give consent for that, or to sign a form afterwards.

What would you sign if you were drunk? And would it be legally binding?

I'm not saying the girl wasn't stupid for putting herself into that situation, but sober predators took advantage of her.
Link Posted: 3/30/2006 1:18:47 PM EDT
[#31]

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Yup, she signed the form/release... when she was drunk.  That's how they work.  Remember, the next time someone you know gets raped, just call them a whore, to their face, for placing themselves in that situation, I'm sure they'll appreciate it




You're very young, aren't you?



No, I'm 40, hence my ethics aren't derived from what I read or watch on TV while I bust a nut unlike yourself, but from personal experience.
Link Posted: 3/30/2006 1:24:51 PM EDT
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I caught that. My wife and I were in shock. What an idiot! Perfect victim mentality - "they made me do it"

It's too bad that when she sobered up and realized what she did - and realized that her daddy would be disappointed with her, that she tried to kill herself. But she was being stupid, and sometimes stupid hurts.



So if a girl gets drunk and gets raped, it's her fault?  Yeah, right.  When anyone is drunk, they are not in the right frame of mind to make the right decisions and when anyone takes advantage of them in that state, they should be held accountable.



IMO, both people are guilty of being foolish, the rapist is guilty of having sex with someone who is too messed up in the head to make sound judgements and the girl is guilty of making poor choices that got her in the situation in the first place. Flame away.  
Link Posted: 3/30/2006 1:24:51 PM EDT
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drunk people cannot sign a legal contract.


OK then why is it sticking then? I'm no lawyer. She signed a release and is not suing because she doesn't want her name "out there".


nobody can come up to you when you are staggering out of a bar and get you to sign a legal document to buy investment property in florida.


Your comparison is apples and basketballs.


the dude who did the filming is nothing more than a cheap sleezebag pornographer.


Agreed. She was temporarily employed by said cheap sleezebag pornographer, and can view her work at any rental store. So can her family, and that's likely why she's so bummed out about it.


teenagers are allowed to make mistakes and regret it later.


Sure! And "America's Funniest Home Videos" chronicles much of that...


drunken people are allowed to do dumb ass stuff and not have it destroy their lives.


Then perhaps she should have said something when the filming was happening. Cripes, they didn't say she was passed out...


if a distraught teenager came to you and said your video was ruining her life, you would not remove her tape from your website?  if so, you are a heartless scumbag parasite.


For starters I'm a born-again Christian who does his absolute best to steer clear of pornography and stuff like that. But assuming I lost my mind and started a porn site and did this kind of thing, I'd probably pull it. But then again I have a heart. This guy is probably making MORE money off her than ANYTHING else he has going so he's not going to pull it.


you guys surprise me sometimes.   cut people some slack.



Actually sometimes you guys surprise me too. I'm all for cutting people slack - when they don't go out of their way to put themselves in a situation where they could be doing things that feel good at the time but you'll regret later when you realize your parents could see it.
Link Posted: 3/30/2006 1:26:07 PM EDT
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Yup, she signed the form/release... when she was drunk.  That's how they work.  Remember, the next time someone you know gets raped, just call them a whore, to their face, for placing themselves in that situation, I'm sure they'll appreciate it



I agree there.  However in this scenario I think she was cognisant enough to have stopped, she claims she was 'too scared'.  Otherwise she wouldn't be able to remember it with such clarity.  I think she shares some of the blame, but definitely not all of it.  
Link Posted: 3/30/2006 1:28:57 PM EDT
[#35]

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Yup, she signed the form/release... when she was drunk.  That's how they work.  Remember, the next time someone you know gets raped, just call them a whore, to their face, for placing themselves in that situation, I'm sure they'll appreciate it




You're very young, aren't you?



No, I'm 40, hence my ethics aren't derived from what I read or watch on TV while I bust a nut unlike yourself, but from personal experience.



Huh? "bust a nut?" WTH?

You're a bleeding heart who's fallen for the crap you saw on this CNN thing hook, line and sinker. "Ethics"? IF you were truly concerned about ethics you'd be questioning why what she did was fine at the time and now, suddenly, it's not.

If I worked at "PornCo" and invited you to a big PornCo party where you'd get free alcohol and probably get videotaped doing crazy stuff, wouldn't you get the hintsky that perhaps there could be a chance you'd be videotaped in a "compromising position?"

Only a bleeding heart would say "no".
Link Posted: 3/30/2006 1:32:26 PM EDT
[#36]
My invitation must have been lost in the mail.  
Link Posted: 3/30/2006 1:37:01 PM EDT
[#37]

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If I get drunk, and run over someone in a car, I am responsible for that death and I will be criminally punished. I may have made a bad decision I wouldn't have made while sober, but it was a choice to get drunk and drive.



What if you got drunk, didn't want to drive, then someone put you behind the wheel and all your buddies told you to drive and after considerable peer pressure did it and killed someone while a sober person was there filming it all?  Are you the only one responsible?  She was drunk, pushed into a room and then another girl started taking off her clothes while the rest of the ppl urged her on.  She was raped, she couldn't legally give consent for that, or to sign a form afterwards.

What would you sign if you were drunk? And would it be legally binding?

I'm not saying the girl wasn't stupid for putting herself into that situation, but sober predators took advantage of her.



dude I have seen the video in question. you can find it on most porno torrent sites. I watched her go down on the other chick very willingly. there was no rape involved. the fact is she willing did a porno video.
Link Posted: 3/30/2006 1:37:57 PM EDT
[#38]

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Yup, she signed the form/release... when she was drunk.  That's how they work.  Remember, the next time someone you know gets raped, just call them a whore, to their face, for placing themselves in that situation, I'm sure they'll appreciate it




You're very young, aren't you?



No, I'm 40, hence my ethics aren't derived from what I read or watch on TV while I bust a nut unlike yourself, but from personal experience.



Huh? "bust a nut?" WTH?

You're a bleeding heart who's fallen for the crap you saw on this CNN thing hook, line and sinker. "Ethics"? IF you were truly concerned about ethics you'd be questioning why what she did was fine at the time and now, suddenly, it's not.

If I worked at "PornCo" and invited you to a big PornCo party where you'd get free alcohol and probably get videotaped doing crazy stuff, wouldn't you get the hintsky that perhaps there could be a chance you'd be videotaped in a "compromising position?"

Only a bleeding heart would say "no".



Bleeding heart? LOL!  That's a funny one!  No sir, I'd be at that party to check out the girls and get the free booze, but if I saw a drunk girl getting or attempted to get raped, I wouldn't be joining in, or urging her on, I'd be trying to stop it. I've been there, done that, having stopped two guys from trying to rape a drunk girl at a party.

It comes down to morality, do you stand up for what's right, or join the mob.
Link Posted: 3/30/2006 1:39:36 PM EDT
[#39]
Doesn't it say this happened back in '03?  If I'm wrong please correct me, but unless she complained the next day and not 3 years later, I'd say it is just 'sellers remorse'
Link Posted: 3/30/2006 1:40:22 PM EDT
[#40]

Quoted:dude I have seen the video in question. you can find it on most porno torrent sites. I watched her go down on the other chick very willingly. there was no rape involved. the fact is she willing did a porno video.


Drunk drivers willing drive their vehicles too, doesn't mean they're in their right mind.
Link Posted: 3/30/2006 1:42:05 PM EDT
[#41]

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Bleeding heart? LOL!  That's a funny one!  No sir, I'd be at that party to check out the girls and get the free booze, but if I saw a drunk girl getting or attempted to get raped, I wouldn't be joining in, or urging her on, I'd be trying to stop it. I've been there, done that, having stopped two guys from trying to rape a drunk girl at a party.

It comes down to morality, do you stand up for what's right, or join the mob.



Well see what Darth Pavoris has to say about the video before you go heroically "saving" her from what she willingly wanted to do.

I will respectfully suggest you never question a man's morality based on something an idiot brought on him/her self.

Good on you for stepping in for the drunk girl - that was a good thing you did. However, it does not compare to this silly incident in any way.
Link Posted: 3/30/2006 1:43:58 PM EDT
[#42]

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Quoted:dude I have seen the video in question. you can find it on most porno torrent sites. I watched her go down on the other chick very willingly. there was no rape involved. the fact is she willing did a porno video.


Drunk drivers willing drive their vehicles too, doesn't mean they're in their right mind.



We still hold them responsible for their actions though.
Link Posted: 3/30/2006 1:46:43 PM EDT
[#43]

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But neither do I advocate the ability of a woman to go along with things and then later when she's sober, think "oooh, that was a bad idea!" and then whine about how she was taken advantage of...


So it's okay to take advantage of someone when they're drunk? Laws are in place because of predators, predators that take advantage of people, because that's why they are there.  The people who made the film are predators, they don't tape sober women, which is why they call their website drunkengirls****.com.  Just think if it was your daughter, sister, or wife that went out with her friends and one of the ppl there decided to get her drunk, it's not that hard to do after you have a few, and then hit it.  Would it be funny? Would you feel the same way?  When does her ability to reasonably handle the situation come into question?  I think when she's drunk, whatever you do to her is taking advantage of her and the ppl who filmed her, who were sober, knew it.


If I went out with my buds, got drunk, and then fucked some girl, I'm pretty sure my wife wouldn't buy my line about how "I was drunk; I didn't know what I was doing."  I decide to go out and drink, I'm responsible for my own actions.  Even if the chick I were to [hypothetically] bang was a "predator".
Link Posted: 3/30/2006 1:47:28 PM EDT
[#44]
Luopo, are you a moron, or are you just funnin' with us?
Just curious
Link Posted: 3/30/2006 1:49:32 PM EDT
[#45]
Geez.  What does she think happens at a porn party?  Underage drinking at a porn party...  I'm pretty sure she was sober when she made a decision to go.  I don't feel sorry for her one bit.
Link Posted: 3/30/2006 1:51:15 PM EDT
[#46]

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Quoted:dude I have seen the video in question. you can find it on most porno torrent sites. I watched her go down on the other chick very willingly. there was no rape involved. the fact is she willing did a porno video.

Drunk drivers willing drive their vehicles too, doesn't mean they're in their right mind.


But the real question is, can they be held legally-responsible for what they do behind the wheel (even while drunk)?
Link Posted: 3/30/2006 1:51:33 PM EDT
[#47]

Quoted:I will respectfully suggest you never question a man's morality based on something an idiot brought on him/her self.


So if someone does something stupid, fuck'em?  Have kids?

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree...

Or as a guy friend of mine who got drunk at a party I wasn't at, passed out and awoke with his pants missing, told me later, "Man, those kamikaze drinks really fucked me up, but they sure do make your ass hurt."
Link Posted: 3/30/2006 1:52:10 PM EDT
[#48]

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Quoted:dude I have seen the video in question. you can find it on most porno torrent sites. I watched her go down on the other chick very willingly. there was no rape involved. the fact is she willing did a porno video.

Drunk drivers willing drive their vehicles too, doesn't mean they're in their right mind.


But the real question is, can they be held legally-responsible for what they do behind the wheel (even while drunk)?



exactly It cannot be both ways... you are either legally resposible, or not legally resposible for your actions when drunk, not both.  Equal protectin of the alw and all that
Link Posted: 3/30/2006 1:53:57 PM EDT
[#49]

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Quoted:I will respectfully suggest you never question a man's morality based on something an idiot brought on him/her self.


So if someone does something stupid, fuck'em?  Have kids?

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree...

Or as a guy friend of mine who got drunk at a party I wasn't at, passed out and awoke with his pants missing, told me later, "Man, those kamikaze drinks really fucked me up, but they sure do make your ass hurt."


I don't want any more details about your buddy's party experience (), but how many rape cases do you know that have been won by guys who were drunk and got fucked by some fat/ugly chick?
Link Posted: 3/30/2006 1:57:24 PM EDT
[#50]

Quoted:If I went out with my buds, got drunk, and then fucked some girl, I'm pretty sure my wife wouldn't buy my line about how "I was drunk; I didn't know what I was doing."  I decide to go out and drink, I'm responsible for my own actions.  Even if the chick I were to [hypothetically] bang was a "predator".


Just for argument sake, what if your wife hired someone to bang you, hired someone to film it and make sure you drank as much as you could by giving you free beer?  Do you think you would think the same way about your wife from that point on?
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