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Posted: 3/29/2006 11:44:01 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/29/2006 12:09:50 PM EDT by CRC]


Take a look at this bill:



I
109TH CONGRESS
2D SESSION H. R. 5005
To make technical changes to Federal firearms laws and for other purposes.
IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
MARCH 16, 2006
Mr. SMITH of Texas introduced the following bill; which was referred to the
Committee on the Judiciary
A BILL
To make technical changes to Federal firearms laws and
for other purposes.
Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representa- 1
tives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, 2
SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE. 3
This Act may be cited as the ‘‘Firearms Corrections 4
and Improvements Act’’. 5
SEC. 2. CORRECTION OF NONSUBSTANTIVE ERROR IN AGE 6
LIMIT PROVISION. 7
Section 922(b)(1) of title 18, United States Code, is 8
amended to read as follows: 9
‘‘(1) any firearm or ammunition to any indi- 10
vidual who the licensee knows or has reasonable 11
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cause to believe has not attained 18 years of age, 1
and, if the firearm is other than a shotgun or rifle, 2
or the ammunition is for a firearm other than a 3
shotgun or rifle, to any individual who the licensee 4
knows or has reasonable cause to believe has not at- 5
tained 21 years of age;’’. 6
SEC. 3. POSSESSION AND TRANSFER OF MACHINEGUNS 7
FOR INDUSTRY TESTING AND SECURITY CON- 8
TRACTING. 9
(a) MACHINEGUNS FOR FEDERAL CONTRACTORS.— 10
Section 922(a)(4) of title 18, United States Code, is 11
amended by striking ‘‘except’’ and all that follows and in- 12
serting ‘‘except— 13
‘‘(A) as specifically authorized by the At- 14
torney General consistent with public safety and 15
necessity; or 16
‘‘(B) to comply with a contract between 17
any person and the United States which re- 18
quires that person to provide national security 19
services for the United States or any training 20
related to such services;’’. 21
(b) SALE OR DELIVERY OF MACHINEGUNS TO FED- 22
ERAL CONTRACTORS.—Section 922(b) of such title is 23
amended by adding at the end the following: ‘‘Paragraphs 24
(2) and (4) of this subsection shall not apply to a sale 25
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or delivery to comply with a contract between any person 1
and the United States which requires that person to pro- 2
vide national security services for the United States or any 3
training related to the services.’’. 4
(c) POST-86 MACHINEGUNS FOR TESTING, RE- 5
SEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT, TRAINING, AND SECU- 6
RITY.—Section 922(o) of such title is amended— 7
(1) in paragraph (2)— 8
(A) by striking ‘‘or’’ at the end of subpara- 9
graph (A); and 10
(B) by redesignating subparagraph (B) as 11
subparagraph (E) and inserting after subpara- 12
graph (A) the following: 13
‘‘(B) a transfer to, or possession by, a person 14
to comply with a contract between that person and 15
the United States which requires the person to pro- 16
vide national security services for the United States 17
or any training related to the services; 18
‘‘(C) a transfer to, or possession by, a licensed 19
manufacturer or licensed importer solely for testing, 20
research, design, or development of ammunition or a 21
firearm; 22
‘‘(D) a possession by a licensed manufacturer 23
or licensed importer for the purposes of training per- 24
sons to whom a machinegun, manufactured or im- 25
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ported by the licensee, may be transferred as de- 1
scribed in subparagraph (A) or (B); or’’; and 2
(2) by adding at the end the following: 3
‘‘(3) A person shall not transfer a machinegun to an- 4
other person in the circumstances described in paragraph 5
(2)(B) of this subsection, unless the Attorney General has 6
notified the person that the Attorney General has deter- 7
mined, based on the fingerprints of such other person and 8
on information in the national instant criminal back- 9
ground check system established under section 103 of the 10
Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act, that such other 11
person is not prohibited from possessing or receiving a 12
firearm under Federal or State law.’’. 13
(d) IMPORTATION OF MACHINEGUNS.—Section 14
925(d) of such title is amended— 15
(1) in paragraph (3), by striking ‘‘or’’ at the 16
end; 17
(2) in paragraph (4), by striking the period and 18
inserting ‘‘; or’’; and 19
(3) by inserting after paragraph (4) the fol- 20
lowing: 21
‘‘(5) is imported or brought in for a purpose de- 22
scribed in subparagraph (B), (C), or (D) of section 23
922(o)(2).’’. 24
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(e) IMPORTATION UNDER THE NATIONAL FIREARMS 1
ACT.—Section 5844 of the National Firearms Act (26 2
U.S.C. 5844) is amended— 3
(1) in paragraph (3), by inserting ‘‘or’’ after 4
the semicolon; and 5
(2) by inserting after paragraph (3) the fol- 6
lowing: 7
‘‘(4) a machinegun being imported or brought 8
in to comply with a contract between any person and 9
the United States which requires the person to pro- 10
vide national security services for the United States 11
or any training related to the services; or 12
‘‘(5) a machinegun being imported or brought 13
in by a registered importer or registered manufac- 14
turer for the purposes of training persons who ac- 15
quire machineguns pursuant to paragraph (1) that 16
were manufactured or imported by the registrant.’’. 17
(f) NATIONAL SECURITY SERVICES DEFINED.—Sec- 18
tion 921(a) of such title is amended by adding at the end 19
the following: 20
‘‘(36) The term ‘national security services’ means any 21
protective, defensive, or security service provided pursuant 22
to a contract or subcontract with a department or agency 23
of the United States.’’. 24
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(g) EFFECTIVE DATE.—The amendments made by 1
this section shall take effect after the 180-day period that 2
begins with the date of the enactment of this Act. 3
SEC. 4. ELIMINATION OF OBSOLETE LANGUAGE ADDED BY 4
THE BRADY HANDGUN VIOLENCE PREVEN- 5
TION ACT. 6
Section 922 of title 18, United States Code, is 7
amended— 8
(1) by striking subsection (s); and 9
(2) in subsection (t), by striking ‘‘Beginning’’ 10
and all that follows through ‘‘a licensed’’ and insert- 11
ing ‘‘A licensed’’. 12
SEC. 5. BAN ON TAX OR FEE FOR BACKGROUND CHECK BY 13
THE NATIONAL INSTANT CRIMINAL BACK- 14
GROUND CHECK SYSTEM. 15
Section 922(t) of title 18, United States Code, is 16
amended by adding at the end the following: 17
‘‘(7) The Attorney General shall not charge any tax 18
or fee for any background check conducted pursuant to 19
this subsection.’’. 20
SEC. 6. ELIMINATION OF WRITTEN PERMISSION REQUIRE- 21
MENT FOR SUPERVISED HANDGUN USE. 22
Section 922(x)(3)(A) of title 18, United States Code, 23
is amended— 24
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(1) in clause (ii), by striking subclause (II) and 1
inserting the following: 2
‘‘(II) with respect to ranching or 3
farming activities, target practice, hunting, 4
or a course of instruction in the safe and 5
lawful use of a handgun, as described in 6
clause (i), a juvenile may possess and use 7
a handgun or ammunition without the 8
prior written consent, if the parent or legal 9
guardian is present at all times and the ju- 10
venile acts at the direction of a parent, 11
legal guardian, or other adult who is not 12
prohibited by Federal, State, or local law 13
from possessing a firearm;’’; and 14
(2) in clause (iii), by inserting ‘‘except as pro- 15
vided in clause (ii)(II),’’ after ‘‘(iii)’’. 16
SEC. 7. ELIMINATION OF DUPLICATIVE MULTIPLE SALES 17
REPORT REQUIREMENT. 18
Subsection 923(g)(3) of title 18, United States Code, 19
is amended— 20
(1) in subparagraph (A)— 21
(A) by striking ‘‘(A)’’; and 22
(B) in the 2nd sentence, by striking ‘‘and 23
to the department of State police’’ and all that 24
follows through ‘‘took place’’; and 25
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(2) by striking subparagraph (B). 1
SEC. 8. BAN ON ELECTRONIC RETRIEVAL OF FIREARMS 2
PURCHASER INFORMATION. 3
Subsection 923(g)(4) of title 18, United States Code, 4
is amended by adding at the end the following: ‘‘The At- 5
torney General shall not electronically retrieve information 6
gathered pursuant to this paragraph by name or by any 7
personal identification code.’’. 8
SEC. 9. TRACE DISCLOSURE. 9
Section 923(g) of title 18, United States Code, is 10
amended by adding at the end the following: 11
‘‘(8)(A) Information required to be kept by licensees 12
pursuant to this subsection, or required to be reported 13
pursuant to paragraphs (3) and (7) of this subsection, and 14
information in the firearms trace system database main- 15
tained by the National Trace Center of the Bureau of Al- 16
cohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives, shall not be— 17
‘‘(i) disclosed to any entity, except to a Federal, 18
State, local, or foreign law enforcement agency or a 19
Federal, State, or local prosecutor solely in connec- 20
tion with and for use in a bona fide criminal inves- 21
tigation or prosecution, and only to the extent that 22
the information pertains to the geographic jurisdic- 23
tion of the law enforcement agency or prosecutor re- 24
questing the disclosure; or 25
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‘‘(ii) made available for use in any civil action 1
or proceeding other than— 2
‘‘(I) an action or proceeding commenced by 3
the Attorney General to enforce this chapter; or 4
‘‘(II) a review of such an action or pro- 5
ceeding. 6
‘‘(B) The information described in subparagraph (A) 7
shall be immune from legal process, shall not be subject 8
to subpoena or other discovery, and shall not be admissible 9
as evidence, and testimony or other evidence relying on 10
the information shall not be admissible, in any civil action 11
in a State or Federal court, or in any administrative pro- 12
ceeding other than a proceeding commenced by the Bu- 13
reau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives to en- 14
force this chapter, or a review of such an action or pro- 15
ceeding. 16
‘‘(C) This subsection shall not be construed to pre- 17
vent the disclosure of statistical information concerning 18
total production, importation, and exportation by each li- 19
censed importer and licensed manufacturer.’’. 20
SEC. 10. BARREL AND RECEIVER IMPORTATION. 21
(a) IN GENERAL.—Section 925(e) of title 18, United 22
States Code, is amended— 23
(1) in paragraph (1), by striking ‘‘, and’’ and 24
inserting a period; 25
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(2) by adding at the end the following: 1
‘‘(3) All frames or receivers of rifles, or barrels 2
for firearms other than handguns, if the importation 3
is for repair or replacement purposes.’’. 4
(b) GOVERNMENTAL IMPORTS.—Section 925(a)(1) of 5
such title is amended by inserting ‘‘, barrel,’’ after ‘‘or 6
importation of any firearm’’. 7
(c) EFFECTIVE DATE.—The amendments made by 8
this section shall take effect on the date of the enactment 9
of this Act. 10
Æ
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Link Posted: 3/29/2006 11:45:47 AM EDT
Cliff notes please
Link Posted: 3/29/2006 11:48:05 AM EDT
Just repeal the GCA of 1968.

That is all.

Quit dicking around and do it Republicans!

Link Posted: 3/29/2006 11:53:57 AM EDT

Originally Posted By anjan9:
Cliff notes please



+1
Link Posted: 3/29/2006 11:55:14 AM EDT
Tag
Link Posted: 3/29/2006 11:55:26 AM EDT
That makes my head hurt. The formatting needs a little work.
Link Posted: 3/29/2006 11:56:42 AM EDT
I copied it from a VPC pdf.

They are really worked up over this bill.

I will try the LOC and see if they have a version posted.

Link Posted: 3/29/2006 11:57:53 AM EDT
With the shit formatting I can't follow that.
Link Posted: 3/29/2006 11:57:57 AM EDT
HULY SHEET!

Subcomitte hearings have been held!



(this is a PRO GUN bill)

Link Posted: 3/29/2006 12:02:02 PM EDT
Tag
Link Posted: 3/29/2006 12:05:19 PM EDT
CALL REP HOWARD COBLES OFFICE AND ASK THAT HE BRING THE BILL UP FOR A VOTE ONCE SUBCOMITTEE HEARINGS HAVE BEEN HELD!

1-(202) 225-3065
Link Posted: 3/29/2006 12:06:25 PM EDT
Firearms Corrections and Improvements Act (Introduced in House)

HR 5005 IH


109th CONGRESS

2d Session

H. R. 5005
To make technical changes to Federal firearms laws and for other purposes.


IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

March 16, 2006
Mr. SMITH of Texas introduced the following bill; which was referred to the Committee on the Judiciary


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------


A BILL
To make technical changes to Federal firearms laws and for other purposes.


Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,

SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.

This Act may be cited as the `Firearms Corrections and Improvements Act'.

SEC. 2. CORRECTION OF NONSUBSTANTIVE ERROR IN AGE LIMIT PROVISION.

Section 922(b)(1) of title 18, United States Code, is amended to read as follows:

`(1) any firearm or ammunition to any individual who the licensee knows or has reasonable cause to believe has not attained 18 years of age, and, if the firearm is other than a shotgun or rifle, or the ammunition is for a firearm other than a shotgun or rifle, to any individual who the licensee knows or has reasonable cause to believe has not attained 21 years of age;'.

SEC. 3. POSSESSION AND TRANSFER OF MACHINEGUNS FOR INDUSTRY TESTING AND SECURITY CONTRACTING.

(a) Machineguns for Federal Contractors- Section 922(a)(4) of title 18, United States Code, is amended by striking `except' and all that follows and inserting `except--

`(A) as specifically authorized by the Attorney General consistent with public safety and necessity; or

`(B) to comply with a contract between any person and the United States which requires that person to provide national security services for the United States or any training related to such services;'.

(b) Sale or Delivery of Machineguns to Federal Contractors- Section 922(b) of such title is amended by adding at the end the following: `Paragraphs (2) and (4) of this subsection shall not apply to a sale or delivery to comply with a contract between any person and the United States which requires that person to provide national security services for the United States or any training related to the services.'.

(c) Post-86 Machineguns for Testing, Research and Development, Training, and Security- Section 922(o) of such title is amended--

(1) in paragraph (2)--

(A) by striking `or' at the end of subparagraph (A); and

(B) by redesignating subparagraph (B) as subparagraph (E) and inserting after subparagraph (A) the following:

`(B) a transfer to, or possession by, a person to comply with a contract between that person and the United States which requires the person to provide national security services for the United States or any training related to the services;

`(C) a transfer to, or possession by, a licensed manufacturer or licensed importer solely for testing, research, design, or development of ammunition or a firearm;

`(D) a possession by a licensed manufacturer or licensed importer for the purposes of training persons to whom a machinegun, manufactured or imported by the licensee, may be transferred as described in subparagraph (A) or (B); or'; and

(2) by adding at the end the following:

`(3) A person shall not transfer a machinegun to another person in the circumstances described in paragraph (2)(B) of this subsection, unless the Attorney General has notified the person that the Attorney General has determined, based on the fingerprints of such other person and on information in the national instant criminal background check system established under section 103 of the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act, that such other person is not prohibited from possessing or receiving a firearm under Federal or State law.'.

(d) Importation of Machineguns- Section 925(d) of such title is amended--

(1) in paragraph (3), by striking `or' at the end;

(2) in paragraph (4), by striking the period and inserting `; or'; and

(3) by inserting after paragraph (4) the following:

`(5) is imported or brought in for a purpose described in subparagraph (B), (C), or (D) of section 922(o)(2).'.

(e) Importation Under the National Firearms Act- Section 5844 of the National Firearms Act (26 U.S.C. 5844) is amended--

(1) in paragraph (3), by inserting `or' after the semicolon; and

(2) by inserting after paragraph (3) the following:

`(4) a machinegun being imported or brought in to comply with a contract between any person and the United States which requires the person to provide national security services for the United States or any training related to the services; or

`(5) a machinegun being imported or brought in by a registered importer or registered manufacturer for the purposes of training persons who acquire machineguns pursuant to paragraph (1) that were manufactured or imported by the registrant.'.

(f) National Security Services Defined- Section 921(a) of such title is amended by adding at the end the following:

`(36) The term `national security services' means any protective, defensive, or security service provided pursuant to a contract or subcontract with a department or agency of the United States.'.

(g) Effective Date- The amendments made by this section shall take effect after the 180-day period that begins with the date of the enactment of this Act.

SEC. 4. ELIMINATION OF OBSOLETE LANGUAGE ADDED BY THE BRADY HANDGUN VIOLENCE PREVENTION ACT.

Section 922 of title 18, United States Code, is amended--

(1) by striking subsection (s); and

(2) in subsection (t), by striking `Beginning' and all that follows through `a licensed' and inserting `A licensed'.

SEC. 5. BAN ON TAX OR FEE FOR BACKGROUND CHECK BY THE NATIONAL INSTANT CRIMINAL BACKGROUND CHECK SYSTEM.

Section 922(t) of title 18, United States Code, is amended by adding at the end the following:

`(7) The Attorney General shall not charge any tax or fee for any background check conducted pursuant to this subsection.'.

SEC. 6. ELIMINATION OF WRITTEN PERMISSION REQUIREMENT FOR SUPERVISED HANDGUN USE.

Section 922(x)(3)(A) of title 18, United States Code, is amended--

(1) in clause (ii), by striking subclause (II) and inserting the following:

`(II) with respect to ranching or farming activities, target practice, hunting, or a course of instruction in the safe and lawful use of a handgun, as described in clause (i), a juvenile may possess and use a handgun or ammunition without the prior written consent, if the parent or legal guardian is present at all times and the juvenile acts at the direction of a parent, legal guardian, or other adult who is not prohibited by Federal, State, or local law from possessing a firearm;'; and

(2) in clause (iii), by inserting `except as provided in clause (ii)(II),' after `(iii)'.

SEC. 7. ELIMINATION OF DUPLICATIVE MULTIPLE SALES REPORT REQUIREMENT.

Subsection 923(g)(3) of title 18, United States Code, is amended--

(1) in subparagraph (A)--

(A) by striking `(A)'; and

(B) in the 2nd sentence, by striking `and to the department of State police' and all that follows through `took place'; and

(2) by striking subparagraph (B).

SEC. 8. BAN ON ELECTRONIC RETRIEVAL OF FIREARMS PURCHASER INFORMATION.

Subsection 923(g)(4) of title 18, United States Code, is amended by adding at the end the following: `The Attorney General shall not electronically retrieve information gathered pursuant to this paragraph by name or by any personal identification code.'.

SEC. 9. TRACE DISCLOSURE.

Section 923(g) of title 18, United States Code, is amended by adding at the end the following:

`(8)(A) Information required to be kept by licensees pursuant to this subsection, or required to be reported pursuant to paragraphs (3) and (7) of this subsection, and information in the firearms trace system database maintained by the National Trace Center of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives, shall not be--

`(i) disclosed to any entity, except to a Federal, State, local, or foreign law enforcement agency or a Federal, State, or local prosecutor solely in connection with and for use in a bona fide criminal investigation or prosecution, and only to the extent that the information pertains to the geographic jurisdiction of the law enforcement agency or prosecutor requesting the disclosure; or

`(ii) made available for use in any civil action or proceeding other than--

`(I) an action or proceeding commenced by the Attorney General to enforce this chapter; or

`(II) a review of such an action or proceeding.

`(B) The information described in subparagraph (A) shall be immune from legal process, shall not be subject to subpoena or other discovery, and shall not be admissible as evidence, and testimony or other evidence relying on the information shall not be admissible, in any civil action in a State or Federal court, or in any administrative proceeding other than a proceeding commenced by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives to enforce this chapter, or a review of such an action or proceeding.

`(C) This subsection shall not be construed to prevent the disclosure of statistical information concerning total production, importation, and exportation by each licensed importer and licensed manufacturer.'.

SEC. 10. BARREL AND RECEIVER IMPORTATION.

(a) In General- Section 925(e) of title 18, United States Code, is amended--

(1) in paragraph (1), by striking `, and' and inserting a period;

(2) by adding at the end the following:

`(3) All frames or receivers of rifles, or barrels for firearms other than handguns, if the importation is for repair or replacement purposes.'.

(b) Governmental Imports- Section 925(a)(1) of such title is amended by inserting `, barrel,' after `or importation of any firearm'.

(c) Effective Date- The amendments made by this section shall take effect on the date of the enactment of this Act.


Link Posted: 3/29/2006 12:06:37 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/29/2006 12:12:06 PM EDT by Brians_45]
Tag for format that doesn't make me look like --->

CRC beat me to it. I am gonna read it now.

ETA2: That still makes my head hurt. I am gonna have my wife translate it to "Dumbass" for me tonight.
Link Posted: 3/29/2006 12:07:25 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/29/2006 12:11:48 PM EDT by Admiral_Crunch]

Originally Posted By CRC:
HULY SHEET!
Subcomitte hearings have been held!
(this is a PRO GUN bill)



Good to hear. So what's it do?

I hate bills that are full of crap like "strike the 'your Mama' at the end of paragraph 3i and replace it with 'Thomas the Tank Engine, Dolly Parton, and a half pound of moldy cheese.'"

Without the original text to refer to, you have no idea what the thing does.
Link Posted: 3/29/2006 12:08:05 PM EDT
If it has the VPC in an uproar, I will have to say it's agood thing.

That being said, the formatting sucks, and it's a dry read.
Link Posted: 3/29/2006 12:08:49 PM EDT

Originally Posted By CRC:
CALL REP HOWARD COBLES OFFICE AND ASK THAT HE BRING THE BILL UP FOR A VOTE ONCE SUBCOMITTEE HEARINGS HAVE BEEN HELD!

1-(202) 225-3065



Slow down Tiger.

I just read the text of this mess you posted, and I have no idea what this bill does. I lets security contractors import and transfer machine guns, something about ammo sales, bans electronic information retrival on guns, but I have to ask...so what? What does it do for us?
Link Posted: 3/29/2006 12:10:15 PM EDT
Okay, thanks for the new format, but I still don't get what this is saying.
Link Posted: 3/29/2006 12:12:23 PM EDT

Originally Posted By CRC:
CALL REP HOWARD COBLES OFFICE AND ASK THAT HE BRING THE BILL UP FOR A VOTE ONCE SUBCOMITTEE HEARINGS HAVE BEEN HELD!

1-(202) 225-3065



Have you even read the bill in its entirety yet? Or did you blow your load already?
Link Posted: 3/29/2006 12:12:55 PM EDT
A fair amount if I read it right.

Allows rifle reciever importation.

Allows kids to use handguns w/o written perimission

Expands who can possess post 1986 machineguns

Clarifies who can use BATFE and FFL records

Among others...........

I'm still reading it too!
Link Posted: 3/29/2006 12:13:45 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/29/2006 12:14:42 PM EDT by CRC]

Originally Posted By roboman:

Originally Posted By CRC:
CALL REP HOWARD COBLES OFFICE AND ASK THAT HE BRING THE BILL UP FOR A VOTE ONCE SUBCOMITTEE HEARINGS HAVE BEEN HELD!

1-(202) 225-3065



Have you even read the bill in its entirety yet? Or did you blow your load already?



I read it.

Plus the VPC highlighted a few things in their opposition to it.
Link Posted: 3/29/2006 12:14:28 PM EDT

Originally Posted By motown_steve:

Originally Posted By CRC:
CALL REP HOWARD COBLES OFFICE AND ASK THAT HE BRING THE BILL UP FOR A VOTE ONCE SUBCOMITTEE HEARINGS HAVE BEEN HELD!

1-(202) 225-3065



Slow down Tiger.

I just read the text of this mess you posted, and I have no idea what this bill does. I lets security contractors import and transfer machine guns, something about ammo sales, bans electronic information retrival on guns, but I have to ask...so what? What does it do for us?



The only thing I saw that helps the average folks like us is:

-No fee or tax on NICS checks. (didn't think that was a problem to begin with)
-No need for multiple handgun purchase sheets (that is a good thing. Stops the Nat'l Tracing Center from finding out if you're purchased more than 1 handgun within 5 days)
Link Posted: 3/29/2006 12:14:46 PM EDT
In english?
Link Posted: 3/29/2006 12:19:05 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/29/2006 12:21:47 PM EDT by NonConformist]
SO this allows importation of parts kits for replacements again, and makes it legal for security contractors to posses machine guns in the performance of their duties...

Eliminates SOME language in the Brady Bill, Eliminates the Background check fee, possesion od handguns by minors under certain circumstances...
Link Posted: 3/29/2006 12:20:22 PM EDT
As Robodude pointed out it abolishes the multiple handgun reporting to the BATFE
Link Posted: 3/29/2006 12:20:43 PM EDT

Originally Posted By roboman:

Originally Posted By motown_steve:

Originally Posted By CRC:
CALL REP HOWARD COBLES OFFICE AND ASK THAT HE BRING THE BILL UP FOR A VOTE ONCE SUBCOMITTEE HEARINGS HAVE BEEN HELD!

1-(202) 225-3065



Slow down Tiger.

I just read the text of this mess you posted, and I have no idea what this bill does. I lets security contractors import and transfer machine guns, something about ammo sales, bans electronic information retrival on guns, but I have to ask...so what? What does it do for us?



The only thing I saw that helps the average folks like us is:

-No fee or tax on NICS checks. (didn't think that was a problem to begin with)
-No need for multiple handgun purchase sheets (that is a good thing. Stops the Nat'l Tracing Center from finding out if you're purchased more than 1 handgun within 5 days)



I'm all for that shit.
Link Posted: 3/29/2006 12:22:23 PM EDT

Originally Posted By CRC:
As Robodude pointed out it abolishes the multiple handgun reporting to the BATFE



I never saw the point of that form. The detail on it scares me too. Complete serial numbers, make, model, etc, being faxed right to the Nat'l Tracing Center and the local state police. What's the justification for it? In case you're "stockpiling"?
Link Posted: 3/29/2006 12:25:03 PM EDT
WHAT DOES IT DO FOR ME (GUNOWNER) LIST:

Allows importation of replacement rifle parts (BATFE could not stop them)

Allows security contractors and importers to posssess machineguns

Allows juveniles to possess handguns w/o written perimission

Restricts access to BATFE and FFL records

Amends Brady Law to repeal outdated stuff

Corrects nonsubstantive errors in the law
Link Posted: 3/29/2006 12:25:04 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/29/2006 12:27:01 PM EDT by HK_Shooter_03]

Originally Posted By CRC:
A fair amount if I read it right.

Allows rifle reciever importation.

Allows kids to use handguns w/o written perimission


Expands who can possess post 1986 machineguns

Clarifies who can use BATFE and FFL records

Among others...........

I'm still reading it too!






ETA: So does this mean more parts kits?

Or better yet, receiver importation?
Link Posted: 3/29/2006 12:26:23 PM EDT
If rifle receivers are allowed to be imported, would that make the '89 Import Ban invalid?
Link Posted: 3/29/2006 12:27:41 PM EDT

Originally Posted By roboman:
If rifle receivers are allowed to be imported, would that make the '89 Import Ban invalid?




That's what I'm hoping, can anyone clarify?
Link Posted: 3/29/2006 12:28:39 PM EDT

Originally Posted By roboman:
If rifle receivers are allowed to be imported, would that make the '89 Import Ban invalid?



No because they would have to be used for replacement or repair NOT FOR NEW GUNS.

And this does not include shotguns.
Link Posted: 3/29/2006 12:29:54 PM EDT

Originally Posted By CRC:

Originally Posted By roboman:
If rifle receivers are allowed to be imported, would that make the '89 Import Ban invalid?



No because they would have to be used for replacement or repair NOT FOR NEW GUNS.

And this does not include shotguns.



How could a receiver be used from replacement or repair? Isn't the receiver considered the gun itself?
Link Posted: 3/29/2006 12:32:59 PM EDT
Let's say the reciever of that Steyr AUG you bought in 1987 gets run over by your wife's truck.

You could then replace it completely.

Link Posted: 3/29/2006 12:33:29 PM EDT

Originally Posted By motown_steve:
Tag



+87
Link Posted: 3/29/2006 12:37:25 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/29/2006 12:38:33 PM EDT by HK_Shooter_03]

Originally Posted By CRC:
Let's say the reciever of that Steyr AUG you bought in 1987 gets run over by your wife's truck.

You could then replace it completely.





Doesn't the ATF already claim that parts kits are meant for repair and replacement?

I smell a loophole...


Link Posted: 3/29/2006 12:38:02 PM EDT
Doesn't mean a thing to NY and CA
Wont pass any way, are you kidding me
Link Posted: 3/29/2006 12:40:13 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Maxwell71:
Doesn't mean a thing to NY and CA
Wont pass any way, are you kidding me



Wow, looks like the glass is half full today...
Link Posted: 3/29/2006 12:42:13 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Maxwell71:
Doesn't mean a thing to NY and CA
Wont pass any way, are you kidding me



Blame tards like Mike Bloomberg

MOVE!
Link Posted: 3/29/2006 12:45:14 PM EDT
Just having a bad day thinking of all the crap I have to put up with in NY and there is a gun show this weekend. Cant add anything to my AR I might have to sell it in a little while to my Gov't in a little while. Yes I vote
Link Posted: 3/29/2006 12:47:05 PM EDT
tag
Link Posted: 3/29/2006 12:53:12 PM EDT
http://judiciary.house.gov/media/pdfs/stucko032806.pdf

Link Posted: 3/29/2006 1:23:40 PM EDT
http://judiciary.house.gov/media/pdfs/gardiner032806b.pdf
Link Posted: 3/29/2006 1:26:19 PM EDT
TESTIMONY OF RICHARD E. GARDINER
ATTORNEY AT LAW
FAIRFAX, VIRGINIA
H.R. 5005, THE AFIREARMS CORRECTIONS AND IMPROVEMENTS ACT@
MARCH 28, 2006
Mr. Chairman and members of the subcommittee, thank you also for the opportunity to
comment on H.R. 5005. This bill would roll back unnecessary restrictions, correct errors, and
codify several longstanding congressional policies concerning firearms.
The most important provision of H.R. 5005 is section 9, which codifies limits on disclosure
of trace records. Congress has passed a series of appropriations riders on this subject over the
last several years, out of concern for gun owners= privacy and the confidentiality of law
enforcement records. Like the language in section 9, these riders protect this information from
disclosure in civil lawsuits.
The reason for this is quite simple. Congress requires firearms licensees to maintain
records and to comply with trace requests for the purpose of gathering evidence to solve crimes,
not to produce statistical evidence for lawsuits C such as New York City=s C which blame the
industry for the actions of criminals. Both the appropriations riders and the language in H.R.
5005 allow access to this data for legitimate law enforcement investigations. Law enforcement
agencies and organizations have supported these restrictions to protect confidential information
about agents, informants, and investigative targets who may be identified in these records.
A related provision, section 7, would eliminate duplicative paperwork for dealers.
Currently, dealers have to report multiple handgun sales (that is, sales of more than one
handgun to a person within 5 days) both to ATF and to state or local agencies. These sales, of
course, are to people who have already passed the instant background check to buy the
firearms. ATF is supposed to have primary responsibility for enforcing federal firearms laws, and
therefore is the only agency that needs to receive these reports.
There is also a serious privacy concern about how agencies handle these records. Under
federal law, the multiple sales report sent to local law enforcement agencies is not supposed to
be disclosed to any other entity, and is supposed to be destroyed within 20 days. Local agencies
are supposed to certify to the Attorney General every 6 months that they have complied with
these rules. However, when one of my colleagues filed a Freedom of Information Act request for
records on the implementation of this requirement, he only received a handful of documents,
which did not include any of the required certifications. In fact, last year the Appropriations
Committee adopted report language that urged ATF to make sure local agencies are aware of
the requirement. If agencies are unable to comply with the legal requirements for receiving these
documents, they should not receive them in the first place.
On another privacy concern, section 8 would permanently ban creation of a centralized
electronic index of out-of-business dealers= records C a threat to gun owners= privacy that
Congress has also barred through appropriations riders for a decade.
Link Posted: 3/29/2006 1:32:44 PM EDT
(3) A person shall not transfer a machinegun to another person in the circumstances described in paragraph (2)(B) of this subsection, unless the Attorney General has notified the person that the Attorney General has determined, based on the fingerprints of such other person and on information in the national instant criminal background check system established under section 103 of the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act, that such other person is not prohibited from possessing or receiving a firearm under Federal or State law.'.

WE GET MACHINE GUNS AGAIN?
Link Posted: 3/29/2006 2:06:36 PM EDT
No.

Basically this allows nuke guards and Federal contractors to have machineguns.

Link Posted: 3/29/2006 2:17:20 PM EDT

Originally Posted By CRC:
No.

Basically this allows nuke guards and Federal contractors to have machineguns.




Big fucking whoop.

The rest of it I can deal with, and be happy about.
Link Posted: 3/29/2006 2:31:57 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/29/2006 2:33:04 PM EDT by BUCC_Guy]

Originally Posted By mattimeo:

Originally Posted By CRC:
No.

Basically this allows nuke guards and Federal contractors to have machineguns.




Big fucking whoop.

The rest of it I can deal with, and be happy about.




All those aging M16s sitting in nuclear plant arsenals will hit the market like the CA DOJ HK94s.

Woot.


- BG

EDIT: And at the going rate of say, $10K each to be conservative, the plants would be retarded not to dump them and get 10X new M4s instead.
Link Posted: 3/29/2006 3:20:51 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 3/29/2006 3:29:00 PM EDT

Originally Posted By CRC:
I copied it from a VPC pdf.

They are really worked up over this bill.

I will try the LOC and see if they have a version posted.




If those assholes are worked up, I'm happy with the bill.
Link Posted: 3/29/2006 3:30:50 PM EDT
So send the comittee and your congress critter an email, a real written letter and a phone call.

That fact that is bill is being considered is HUGE.

Link Posted: 3/29/2006 4:09:14 PM EDT

Originally Posted By BUCC_Guy:

Originally Posted By mattimeo:

Originally Posted By CRC:
No.

Basically this allows nuke guards and Federal contractors to have machineguns.




Big fucking whoop.

The rest of it I can deal with, and be happy about.




All those aging M16s sitting in nuclear plant arsenals will hit the market like the CA DOJ HK94s.

Woot.


- BG

EDIT: And at the going rate of say, $10K each to be conservative, the plants would be retarded not to dump them and get 10X new M4s instead.



Riiiiight.

All those lend/lease M16s, you mean? The gov't property that will get chopped up when Uncle Sam comes to collect them?

We thought we were gonna get an assload of M16s at the shop, too, when local LEO wanted to replace their aging Colts with newer stuff.

Until Uncle Sugar called in his marker and said that even though the rifles were given to the department, they were still US Gov't property, and subject to the M14/M16 treatment ala Klinton. To the torch they went.

I hope you're right, however, and I am wrong.

But I doubt it.
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