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Posted: 3/29/2006 8:30:13 AM EDT
Teen Faces Child Porn Charges For Posting Pics Of Friends

POSTED: 10:24 am EST March 29, 2006

ALLEGAN, Mich. -- A Michigan high school student faces child pornography charges over an Internet party prank.

Prosecutors charge Ryan Zylstra, 17, posted a picture of two teens having sex on his blog. The photo was taken at a New Year's Eve party at Zylstra's home.

Authorities said the boy in the picture is 17, while the girl is 16. According to prosecutors, the age of the girl makes the sexually explicit picture child pornography under the law.

Zylstra now faces up to 20 years in prison if convicted of the most serious charges, which are felonies.

Tuesday, Zylstra was in court and waived a preliminary hearing. The decision means his case will be bound over for trial in Allegan County Circuit Court.

No trial date has been set.
Link Posted: 3/29/2006 8:32:26 AM EDT
Guess he wont be doing THAT again.
Link Posted: 3/29/2006 8:35:00 AM EDT


Im betting a phone call from the cops asking him to take the pictures off his site would have worked. A possible 20 years?
Link Posted: 3/29/2006 8:37:00 AM EDT
That is pretty stupid.

With enough stupidity to go around.

Sounds more like some 16 year olds parent is pissed, and the DA is feeling the heat from the parents
Link Posted: 3/29/2006 8:37:31 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/29/2006 8:38:06 AM EDT by happycynic]
Child pr0n is one of those things that there has to be some pretty firm lines such as saying it includes anyone under 18. HOWEVER, in order to prevent gross miscarriages of justice the prosecutors must exercise discretion. The prosecutor in this case has not done so, likely because he wants to look good for a later political campaign. The kid should be punished, but a child pr0n charge is going to ruin his life. Might as well shoot him in the head.

Link Posted: 3/29/2006 8:37:33 AM EDT
Link Posted: 3/29/2006 8:41:58 AM EDT

Originally Posted By happycynic:
The kid should be punished


Certainly not criminally.
Link Posted: 3/29/2006 8:42:54 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/29/2006 8:43:20 AM EDT by efpeter]

Originally Posted By happycynic:
Might as well shoot him in the head.





I'm sure one of his future cell mates will take care of that. Or at least shoot him in the face....or on the face... or something.....
Link Posted: 3/29/2006 9:05:20 AM EDT

Originally Posted By TheRedGoat:
If he posted them as a joke, not as jerking material, it should be easily defended.
TRG



Of course, what should happen and what actually happens frequently bear no resemblance to one another.
Link Posted: 3/29/2006 9:08:54 AM EDT

Originally Posted By happycynic:
Child pr0n is one of those things that there has to be some pretty firm lines such as saying it includes anyone under 18. HOWEVER, in order to prevent gross miscarriages of justice the prosecutors must exercise discretion. The prosecutor in this case has not done so, likely because he wants to look good for a later political campaign. The kid should be punished, but a child pr0n charge is going to ruin his life. Might as well shoot him in the head.




For what? What harm or criminal intent was there?

This cas is almost as sad as the girl who was chraged for taking pics of herself.
Link Posted: 3/29/2006 9:09:44 AM EDT
Good job catching the real criminals.
Link Posted: 3/29/2006 9:11:28 AM EDT
To clarify, by punished I mean some kind of slap on the wrist, and something that doesn't put him on the sex offender registry. Give him a few hours of community service and send him on his merry way.

Link Posted: 3/29/2006 9:12:13 AM EDT
Too damn bad.

Boo-hoo-hoo.

Reckon this will go on his 'permanent record'?



Eric The(LetJusticeBeServed)Hun
Link Posted: 3/29/2006 9:15:34 AM EDT

Originally Posted By EricTheHun:
Too damn bad.

Boo-hoo-hoo.

Reckon this will go on his 'permanent record'?



Eric The(LetJusticeBeServed)Hun



I think your sense of justice is broken today.

Link Posted: 3/29/2006 9:25:14 AM EDT

Originally Posted By happycynic:

Originally Posted By EricTheHun:
Too damn bad.

Boo-hoo-hoo.

Reckon this will go on his 'permanent record'?



Eric The(LetJusticeBeServed)Hun


I think your sense of justice is broken today.


And I think if you gaze into the poon long enough, the poon will gaze into you.



Nope.

This little smarty pants forgot that he lives in a world of - get this - rules!

Rules made by sober, sensible, clear-thinking adults.

Not weenies who think it's 'cool' to post pics of their buds copulating on the Internet.

Thankfully.

Eric The(TrueNietzschean)Hun
Link Posted: 3/29/2006 9:29:49 AM EDT
I think that he should be punished. Even at that age I knew doing things like that was wrong, so I dont have much sympathy for him. That does not mean that I didnt break the law at that age but an MIP is a lot less severe than CHild Porn.

James
Link Posted: 3/29/2006 9:32:12 AM EDT
Were the 17yo boy and 16yo girl okay with being posted on the internet? If they are okay with it then the charges should be reduced to something minor. If he did it without their permission then prosecute him to the full extent of the law.
Link Posted: 3/29/2006 9:34:40 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/29/2006 9:35:53 AM EDT by happycynic]

Originally Posted By EricTheHun:

Nope.

This little smarty pants forgot that he lives in a world of - get this - rules!

Rules made by sober, sensible, clear-thinking adults.

Not weenies who think it's 'cool' to post pics of their buds copulating on the Internet.

Thankfully.

Eric The(TrueNietzschean)Hun



You would be the last person I would expect to blindly follow the rules. Please explain to me how 20 years in prison is justified based upon the "harm" the boy inflicted upon the community. No underage girl was recruited for the act, no profit was made. He took a picture of a bunch of dumbasses, and inadvertantly violated a statute, which was designed by sober, sensible, clear-thinking adults to deal with pedophiles who buy children off the black market in order that they may murder their souls for profit. Of necessity, the law is written broadly, and depends upon sober, sensible, clear-thinking adults to enforce it in a just manner. Unfortunately, such individuals are often in short supply in the DA's office.

PS. I'm no Nietzchean, and I know you aren't either. I simply found that quote to contain a lot of wisdom.

Link Posted: 3/29/2006 9:35:53 AM EDT
Life is hard. It's even harder when you are stupid. Ryan Zylstra is a perfect case study.
Link Posted: 3/29/2006 9:38:35 AM EDT

Originally Posted By krpind:
That is pretty stupid.

With enough stupidity to go around.

Sounds more like some 16 year olds parent is pissed, and the DA is feeling the heat from the parents



+1
Link Posted: 3/29/2006 9:41:55 AM EDT
I friend of a friend 18 yo told me that some high school girls made a tape for him to show that they were interested in him. I think everyone involved was 15 or 16. I warned him that he should destroy that tape before he got in trouble.
Link Posted: 3/29/2006 9:47:03 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/29/2006 9:51:05 AM EDT by AR15fan]

Originally Posted By happycynic:

Originally Posted By EricTheHun:

Nope.

This little smarty pants forgot that he lives in a world of - get this - rules!

Rules made by sober, sensible, clear-thinking adults.

Not weenies who think it's 'cool' to post pics of their buds copulating on the Internet.

Thankfully.

Eric The(TrueNietzschean)Hun



You would be the last person I would expect to blindly follow the rules. Please explain to me how 20 years in prison is justified...



He's not going to get 20 years even if convicted on all counts. Anyone with any experiance in the criminal justice system knows that. He will get 3 years probation, max.

the terms of that probation should include: Date no underaged girls, do not possess or consume alcoholic beverages or illegal drugs, Do not own, possess or use a computer or digital camera or maintain an online/internet account. After 3 yrs with no new arrests consider him rehabilitated.
Link Posted: 3/29/2006 9:50:23 AM EDT

Originally Posted By AR15fan:

Originally Posted By happycynic:

Originally Posted By EricTheHun:

Nope.

This little smarty pants forgot that he lives in a world of - get this - rules!

Rules made by sober, sensible, clear-thinking adults.

Not weenies who think it's 'cool' to post pics of their buds copulating on the Internet.

Thankfully.

Eric The(TrueNietzschean)Hun



You would be the last person I would expect to blindly follow the rules. Please explain to me how 20 years in prison is justified...



He's not going to get 20 years even if convicted on all counts. Anyone with any experiance in the criminal justice system knows that. He will get 3 years probation, max.



How far do you think he'll go in life with "child pornographer" attached to him for the rest of his life?
Link Posted: 3/29/2006 9:50:48 AM EDT
This reminds me of the 18 y.o. girl who got busted for posting pics of herself... taken by herself when she was 16.

Maybe that's an urban legend, but I guess it could happen.

So are the going to bust everybody else for statutory rape?
Link Posted: 3/29/2006 9:52:49 AM EDT
Who is the victim?
Link Posted: 3/29/2006 9:54:01 AM EDT

Originally Posted By happycynic:

Originally Posted By AR15fan:

Originally Posted By happycynic:

Originally Posted By EricTheHun:

Nope.

This little smarty pants forgot that he lives in a world of - get this - rules!

Rules made by sober, sensible, clear-thinking adults.

Not weenies who think it's 'cool' to post pics of their buds copulating on the Internet.

Thankfully.

Eric The(TrueNietzschean)Hun



You would be the last person I would expect to blindly follow the rules. Please explain to me how 20 years in prison is justified...



He's not going to get 20 years even if convicted on all counts. Anyone with any experiance in the criminal justice system knows that. He will get 3 years probation, max.



How far do you think he'll go in life with "child pornographer" attached to him for the rest of his life?



the kind of guy who secretly films minors having sex then posts it online wasnt going to go very far in life anyway. This guy was predestined for a "you want fries with that?" or "welcome to walmart" career long before he got caught.
Link Posted: 3/29/2006 9:54:13 AM EDT
Gee, you're poll's not biased or anything, is it?
Link Posted: 3/29/2006 9:54:14 AM EDT

Originally Posted By AR15fan:

Originally Posted By happycynic:

Originally Posted By EricTheHun:

Nope.

This little smarty pants forgot that he lives in a world of - get this - rules!

Rules made by sober, sensible, clear-thinking adults.

Not weenies who think it's 'cool' to post pics of their buds copulating on the Internet.

Thankfully.

Eric The(TrueNietzschean)Hun



You would be the last person I would expect to blindly follow the rules. Please explain to me how 20 years in prison is justified...



He's not going to get 20 years even if convicted on all counts. Anyone with any experiance in the criminal justice system knows that. He will get 3 years probation, max.

the terms of that probation should include: Date no underaged girls, do not possess or consume alcoholic beverages or illegal drugs, Do not own, possess or use a computer or digital camera or maintain an online/internet account. After 3 yrs with no new arrests consider him rehabilitated.



+ sex offender for life
Link Posted: 3/29/2006 9:54:28 AM EDT
Couldn't we just cane the bastard in public and be done with it.

This should not be a life destroying event.
Link Posted: 3/29/2006 9:55:59 AM EDT

Originally Posted By wildearp:
Who is the victim?



Jane Doe-16yo minor child.
Link Posted: 3/29/2006 9:57:12 AM EDT

Originally Posted By wildearp:
Who is the victim?



The girl's parents who are embarrased their child was photographed having sex.
Link Posted: 3/29/2006 9:57:18 AM EDT

Originally Posted By AR15fan:

the kind of guy who secretly films minors having sex then posts it online wasnt going to go very far in life anyway. This guy was predestined for a "you want fries with that?" or "welcome to walmart" career long before he got caught.



Nice attitude there. Yep. Assume the worst. No possibility that an otherwise intelligent and productive person would fuck-up like this. Might as well run him through the system and fuck him for life, after all, he was destined to deserve it at some point.
Link Posted: 3/29/2006 9:58:21 AM EDT

Originally Posted By happycynic:
Nice attitude there. Yep. Assume the worst. No possibility that an otherwise intelligent and productive person would fuck-up like this. Might as well run him through the system and fuck him for life, after all, he was destined to deserve it at some point.



Ahh Calvinism.
Link Posted: 3/29/2006 9:58:31 AM EDT
If he's lucky, he'll end up being another one of those "sex offenders" that everyone is so deathly afraid of. I guess it's ok to fuck over guys like this as long as it punishes the rapists and child molesters. Right? Punish a few not-so-bad people to get to the bad people. Sounds like it's worth it to me!
Link Posted: 3/29/2006 10:04:05 AM EDT

Originally Posted By AR15fan:

Originally Posted By wildearp:
Who is the victim?



Jane Doe-16yo minor child.



A "victim" only by the most technical application of the law. The irony, of course, is that morally she is the more guilty party, having committed fornication of her own free will. A prank picture of someone else fornicating does not even come close by comparison.

Link Posted: 3/29/2006 10:09:15 AM EDT
Originally Posted By happycynic:

You would be the last person I would expect to blindly follow the rules.

I follow only righteous laws...not unrighteous ones.



And I am the sole judge, and quite likely the soul defendant, of what is righteous and what is not.

Please explain to me how 20 years in prison is justified based upon the "harm" the boy inflicted upon the community.

He won't get 20 years for his crime....nothing like that.

Hell, I doubt this goes much further than a plea bargain to a misdemeanor with probation.

But 'the Law is a Harsh Mistress.'

(And she doesn't appreciate folks looking under her skirt.)

PS. I'm no Nietzchean, and I know you aren't either. I simply found that quote to contain a lot of wisdom.

What of my derivation of that quote? Was it not pithy?

Eric The(Pithy)Hun
Link Posted: 3/29/2006 10:09:49 AM EDT

Originally Posted By AR15fan:

Originally Posted By wildearp:
Who is the victim?



Jane Doe-16yo minor child.



I am thinking she is not a victim.
Link Posted: 3/29/2006 10:12:25 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/29/2006 10:13:37 AM EDT by EricTheHun]

Originally Posted By happycynic:

Originally Posted By AR15fan:

the kind of guy who secretly films minors having sex then posts it online wasnt going to go very far in life anyway. This guy was predestined for a "you want fries with that?" or "welcome to walmart" career long before he got caught.


Nice attitude there. Yep. Assume the worst. No possibility that an otherwise intelligent and productive person would fuck-up like this. Might as well run him through the system and fuck him for life, after all, he was destined to deserve it at some point.


I'm afraid that I may have to agree with happycynic here.

In Our Brave New World, this snappy little fellow may well be King.

Eric The(HeHasTheMoralsToBeAGreatStatesmanPolitician!)Hun
Link Posted: 3/29/2006 10:14:04 AM EDT

Originally Posted By happycynic:
No possibility that an otherwise intelligent and productive person would fuck-up like this.



Correct.
Link Posted: 3/29/2006 10:15:03 AM EDT

Originally Posted By EricTheHun:

Hell, I doubt this goes much further than a plea bargain to a misdemeanor with probation.



That would be acceptable, so long as he doesn't get on some stupid sex offender registry.


What of my derivation of that quote? Was it not pithy?

Eric The(Pithy)Hun



Very pithy.
Link Posted: 3/29/2006 10:17:35 AM EDT

Originally Posted By wildearp:

Originally Posted By AR15fan:

Originally Posted By wildearp:
Who is the victim?



Jane Doe-16yo minor child.



I am thinking she is not a victim.



Anyone who is videotaped, without their consent, having sex with their significant other and then the video/pics are posted on the internet has been victimized. Because she's 16yo she doesnt have a right to privacy?
Link Posted: 3/29/2006 10:18:46 AM EDT
I didnt have the stomach to read this whole thread but to relate a story:

My wife is a children and youth social worker for our county. She has one case where the girls mother sort of pimped her out to some sleaze bag taning salon owner for rent and cars etc. Anyway during the course of the investigation my wife found a myspace site for the girl that was apparently done by one of her high school enemies. Had plenty of disgusting pics of the girl in the act with other teens. Wonderful stuff. I truly fear for kids these days.
Link Posted: 3/29/2006 10:22:41 AM EDT

Originally Posted By happycynic:

What of my derivation of that quote? Was it not pithy?

Eric The(Pithy)Hun


Very pithy.


Thank you, thweetheart.



Eric The(Lithping)Hun
Link Posted: 3/29/2006 10:33:00 AM EDT

Originally Posted By WindGapAR15:
I didnt have the stomach to read this whole thread but to relate a story:

My wife is a children and youth social worker for our county. She has one case where the girls mother sort of pimped her out to some sleaze bag taning salon owner for rent and cars etc. Anyway during the course of the investigation my wife found a myspace site for the girl that was apparently done by one of her high school enemies. Had plenty of disgusting pics of the girl in the act with other teens. Wonderful stuff. I truly fear for kids these days.




Ummm shes having sex at a party. She is not at home in her bed with her Signifigant Other She is boinking some dude at the party. She deserves to be humiliated.
Link Posted: 3/29/2006 10:39:45 AM EDT
I think our age of consent laws and "child porn" laws are fucked up to a degree.

Its legal in plenty of states to have sex with a 16 or 17 year old.

Yet if you have sexual pictures of said 16 or 17 year old then its child porn, and you might be considered a sex offender or something.

Thats some fucked up shit.
Link Posted: 3/29/2006 10:46:48 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/29/2006 10:48:15 AM EDT by CasualObserver]

Originally Posted By AR15fan:

Originally Posted By wildearp:

Originally Posted By AR15fan:

Originally Posted By wildearp:
Who is the victim?



Jane Doe-16yo minor child.



I am thinking she is not a victim.



Anyone who is videotaped, without their consent, having sex with their significant other and then the video/pics are posted on the internet has been victimized. Because she's 16yo she doesnt have a right to privacy?



She was having sex in someone else's home, at a New Years Eve party. I don't think privacy was terribly high on her list of concerns.

CO
Link Posted: 3/29/2006 11:02:50 AM EDT
16 year olds are not adults, they do not get to decide if they are victims or not, society does. If someone was posting porn of my 16year old on the web I would most certainly want them prosecuted and I can't believe that you (the persons defending this guy) wouldn't. We have a society of laws and this kid broke one, one that I happen to strongly agree with. (and I am pro porn in general, consenting adults and all)

That being said this appears o be a gross waste of effort...I'm sure there are some meth labs or crack houses that could stand to be raided in Michigan.
Link Posted: 3/29/2006 11:10:53 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Currahee:

If someone was posting porn of my 16year old on the web



O.k. Put the shoe on the other foot. What if your 17 year old son had taken the pictures? Would you want him to be labled as a "child pornographer" for life, and possibly spend some time in jail as well, because he took a picture of a little whore who was banging her boyfriend in somebody else's house?

Link Posted: 3/29/2006 11:21:19 AM EDT

Originally Posted By EricTheHun:
Too damn bad.

Boo-hoo-hoo.

Reckon this will go on his 'permanent record'?



Eric The(LetJusticeBeServed)Hun




Apparently, my viking friend, child porn is not acceptable anytime, anywhere....unless it's a 17 year old that was just playing around.

How is it that some people do not understand that a line must be made, and CANNOT BE CROSSED, otherwise the line means nothing.
Link Posted: 3/29/2006 11:23:21 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/29/2006 11:23:39 AM EDT by OFFascist]

Originally Posted By Currahee:
16 year olds are not adults, they do not get to decide if they are victims or not, society does.



Old enough to legally fuck with an adult in some states, but you dont think they are old enough to have nude pictures taken of them?
Link Posted: 3/29/2006 11:24:54 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/29/2006 11:26:22 AM EDT by Currahee]

Originally Posted By happycynic:

Originally Posted By Currahee:

If someone was posting porn of my 16year old on the web



O.k. Put the shoe on the other foot. What if your 17 year old son had taken the pictures? Would you want him to be labled as a "child pornographer" for life, and possibly spend some time in jail as well, because he took a picture of a little whore who was banging her boyfriend in somebody else's house?




I would get him a lawyer and hope for the best. (Mostly charged as a juvenile) But if my son broke the law I would want him to feel the weight of justice. You make the same argument as the people who's teenagers kill in drunk driving accidents make.

Oh and your question is pointlessly inflamitory and slanted....was this girl charging money for the sex? If not she's not a "whore."
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