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Posted: 3/29/2006 7:39:02 AM EDT
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Isn't this guy a member here ?
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Posted: 3/29/2006 7:40:50 AM EDT
[#2]
Yep. ShootnScoot. Thread got locked apparently. |
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Posted: 3/29/2006 7:42:11 AM EDT
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Typical ATF BS. There was a time in this nation when you were pressumed INNOCENT until PROVEN guilty. Not when it comes to the ATF
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Posted: 3/29/2006 7:42:32 AM EDT
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Ouch. That's gonna leave a mark.
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Posted: 3/29/2006 7:44:18 AM EDT
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"Intent" is a slippery slope. And he just slid down it. |
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Posted: 3/29/2006 7:46:17 AM EDT
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The manufacturing stuff is just fluff to sound bad. The real evil is that the dirtbag is a violent felon in posession of weapons. As mentioned, everything else is just fluff to sound bad for the press.
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Posted: 3/29/2006 7:46:53 AM EDT
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Wonder who's going to be lying under oath... |
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Posted: 3/29/2006 7:48:16 AM EDT
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Yeah, it totally won't sound bad when they use it as precendent to nail the next guy who isn't a felon, but some agent just needs a case. |
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Posted: 3/29/2006 7:49:00 AM EDT
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Locked, unlocked , locked, unlocked and locked again i think 
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Posted: 3/29/2006 7:49:17 AM EDT
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Hit 40 pages. Cheers, kk7sm |
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Posted: 3/29/2006 7:50:12 AM EDT
[#11]
Too bad...so sad. Fuck him for making us look bad. |
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Posted: 3/29/2006 7:50:15 AM EDT
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The article says his ex will testify against him in the case. Right there you have first hand "information". She can lie and say he was talking to people about buying the receivers he was making. Who will the court or jury believe the abused poor weak female that escaped or the abusive felon who likes to beat up cops? I'm not saying he did any of these things but the prosecutors are going to portray it as such during the trial. |
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Posted: 3/29/2006 7:51:07 AM EDT
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+1 He knew he was playing with fire and he got burned. |
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Posted: 3/29/2006 7:58:37 AM EDT
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The manufacturing and distribution charges are crap.
ShootNScoot was a dumbass anyhow. "Olivent was convicted in Blount County in 1997 of three felonies, one of which involved the aggravated assault of a law enforcement officer." He made ATFs job really fucking easy for them. He was a big, fat, juicy target and broadcast the fact all over this board. And you bet the DA is going to ram it up his ass as much as he can. Last thing a DA is going to do is appear "soft" when a violent felon is making "evil guns" in his basement. If he does get convicted for M&D, then thanks a lot ShootNScoot. You've helped the people who call shoelaces "machine guns" and .gov establish precedent that having a drill press, mill and sheet metal at your house makes you a pirate gun maker and distrubutor, no matter what is really going on. Asshat. |
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Posted: 3/29/2006 8:02:30 AM EDT
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Assault on a copy? I see further down assault on LEO. Bad for him. Was he a participant in the LEO bashing threads? I don't recall. Just goes to show why some here have such a dislike of LEOs and complain about felonies being disqualifiers. |
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Posted: 3/29/2006 8:03:33 AM EDT
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The article also said he was found with 4 weapons, 2 that he had made himself. Even if you take away the BS manufacturing with intent to sell charges the felon in possession of a firearm charges will still stick and that will put him in federal jail for a minimum of a couple years.
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Posted: 3/29/2006 8:03:55 AM EDT
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Looks like felony stacking, it should get knocked down.
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Posted: 3/29/2006 8:09:14 AM EDT
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I hope the intent charges are thrown out as ludicrous. I'm sure the possession charges will stick though. Even if he is convicted of intent I would hope it is only because he was a felon where the distribution to himself was teh actionable offense.
On a related note, I seem to recall a legal rule that says a spouse cannot usually testify against the other spouse. If her knowledge of his gun building activities only came about during the time they were married, wouldn't it make her testimony, and the justification for their search warrant, inadmissible? I would think a good defense attorney would be able to do something with this case... He's probably fooked on the possession charges though... |
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Posted: 3/29/2006 8:09:14 AM EDT
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Have you reviewed the state's entire case, or are you making an assumption based solely on that short article? |
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Posted: 3/29/2006 8:09:51 AM EDT
[#20]
He was a felon, he had guns.
Everything else is just added time and setting precidents. |
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Posted: 3/29/2006 8:11:07 AM EDT
[#21]
His last post was 7/05. It would seem to be a leap to think that there are hordes of ex-con cop beater uppers logging on here to crab about the police, but I have been wrong before. |
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Posted: 3/29/2006 8:21:45 AM EDT
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i thought something was fishy when his buddy started that thread about how a great guy is getting shafted. i notice there was no mention of the 3 felonies when his buddy was trying to rally sympathy for this asshole.
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Posted: 3/29/2006 8:33:41 AM EDT
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You guys crack me up.
This guy is a FELON. One more time, FELON. Who was in possesion and manfacturing firearms. Booo Fucking Hooo. This is not an evil wicked ATF case. This one is real simple. So simple many here do not have the ability to grasp reality. MO: I bet he has "helped" others build firearms thus putting him in the distribution league. One more time for those who missed it: FELONS cannot own or manufacture firearms. Simple enough for you? |
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Posted: 3/29/2006 8:34:36 AM EDT
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Posted: 3/29/2006 8:39:23 AM EDT
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I guess I don't understand much about case law, but how does his arrest make it okay for ATF to bust down the door of anyone who has a milling machine and blocks of aluminum? |
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Posted: 3/29/2006 8:49:34 AM EDT
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In our bizarre legal system, if this douche gets the hammer brought down on him because of the government's reasoning, then this establishes a precedent in which this reasoning... (drill press + schematics = intent to manufacture and distribute) can be used in any other case... hence why there are some legal cases that EVERYONE knows about
Brown vs. Board of Education Roe vs. Wade Matsunaga vs. Matsunaga (not that big... but great divorce case concerning assets and children after the fact) This reasoning, seperated from this specific case however, is clearly faulty and illogical. Hopefully, the ATF will either cook up better reasoning, or adjust their charges to better suit this guy.... but it seems likely they will try to gain legal ground on this case in order to screw over as many people as possible! |
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Posted: 3/29/2006 8:55:05 AM EDT
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He's a felon in possession, so it's ok to trump up a BS charge of manufacturing wo/a license?  I mean, why not tack on rape?
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Posted: 3/29/2006 9:00:33 AM EDT
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I see no list of charges in the article. Where is the list of charges? And again I willing to bet he "helped" others make weapons. Again just like the first thread, you guys are jumping to WAY to many conclusions without facts of the case. |
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Posted: 3/29/2006 9:04:44 AM EDT
[#29]
So? |
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Posted: 3/29/2006 9:05:24 AM EDT
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I was reading and went from oh poor guy to what a dumb fuck at about this point.
He knew what he was doing and now with the exwife turning on his ass EVERYBODY will know what he was doing.  Hell has no fury as a womens scorn.
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Posted: 3/29/2006 9:10:02 AM EDT
[#31]
So. I would be willing to bet if there is a manufacturing charge this is how it comes into play. If he helped someone make AR receivers with his equipment then he is manfacturing. |
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Posted: 3/29/2006 9:10:22 AM EDT
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i could care less about what happened to *him* being that he was already a felon, but rest assured this will be used to convict others in the future who have broken no laws except the new on that doesn't allow you to manufacture your own guns. |
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Posted: 3/29/2006 9:15:18 AM EDT
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Are you kidding me, or what?
Did you even read the article? He is a violent, felon in possession of TWO firearms and everything he needed to make more. Yes, in a court of law, he is innocent until proven guilty. Until then, use your God-given common sense. Violent felon, Aggravated assault against a police officer, Illegal possession of two firearms, Ex-wife will testify against him,
I agree with this sentiment. |
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Posted: 3/29/2006 9:15:42 AM EDT
[#34]
A spouse cannot be forced to testify against you, but that damn sure doesnt meant that they cant choose to. And in this case as an exspouse, there is alot more leeway. |
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Posted: 3/29/2006 9:21:22 AM EDT
[#35]
Yes, but he's having trouble posting lately. |
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Posted: 3/29/2006 9:23:11 AM EDT
[#36]
Now thats some funny shit right there. 
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Posted: 3/29/2006 9:24:51 AM EDT
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If he was in possession of only TWO firearms, then I can probably tell you where the "distribution" charge is coming from. Check the archive. In october of 2005 - he posted PHOTOS of 5 AR lowers he was finishing (including one that was completely finished), and 3 AK receivers. He also mentioned his 10/22 and his 1911, and I believe mentioned ordering more 80% receivers. That's a lot more than two firearms. If they only found two, it's a good bet that he might have been selling some of them. Even if not, he was at least in the process of manufacturing eight semi-auto rifles, possibly more. Despite there being people on ar15.com who would easily own five ARs and three AKs (it's probably not too widespread a practice), it might not be too hard to convince a jury of regular folks that he may have had "intent" to distribute some of those lowers when he finished machining them. |
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Posted: 3/29/2006 9:27:37 AM EDT
[#38]
Given that this is likely the case, I would imagine that those for whom he made guns and sold to, should be expecting a visit as well. |
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Posted: 3/29/2006 9:28:01 AM EDT
[#39]
Well he does have a penis and probably a libedo too, so there could be grounds for intent to commit sexual assault. 
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Posted: 3/29/2006 9:29:00 AM EDT
[#40]
Yep. |
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Posted: 3/29/2006 9:30:20 AM EDT
[#41]
In fairness, I believe his buddy was duped too. He posted later that evening asking for support letters and donations to be stopped as he had learned that the guy was a convicted felon. |
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Posted: 3/29/2006 9:32:16 AM EDT
[#42]
It's amazing how many of you can draw the conclusions you have from so little information.
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Posted: 3/29/2006 9:34:38 AM EDT
[#43]
Well, we know he's a convicted felon. We know that he has bought and sold guns. We know that he had guns and we know he was making more guns. We also know that until this came to light, none of arfcom knew he was a convicted felon. Beyond that, what do we actually need to know? |
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Posted: 3/29/2006 9:34:58 AM EDT
[#44]
Well, a little sanity is sinking in around here.
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Posted: 3/29/2006 9:42:13 AM EDT
[#45]
Wow....he knew he was a felon and that possessing firearms was illegal, yet he makes his own and posts them on the Internet for everyone to see. This guy is some kind of goddamn genius, I tell ya. His buddy who tried to rally support for him is just as bad. They can both go rot. |
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Posted: 3/29/2006 9:56:56 AM EDT
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tag
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Posted: 3/29/2006 10:11:21 AM EDT
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Yeah, especially because his buddy didn't have a clue either. FUCK HIM! |
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Posted: 3/29/2006 10:15:39 AM EDT
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"Its official: .GOV presumes manufacture for distribution when you make homebuilts."
I'm sorry, I missed the verdict in his trial ... or did we overturn the 6th Admendment too? |
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Posted: 3/29/2006 10:22:19 AM EDT
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They are working on it I assure you. This conviction will be a bad precedent. Anyone thought of writing thier politicians about this? |
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Posted: 3/29/2006 10:28:49 AM EDT
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The title says the government presumes homebuilts are for distribution. That is their official charge against the guy. There doesn't need to be a verdict for that view to be the official stance of the government. |
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