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Posted: 3/29/2006 5:12:35 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/29/2006 5:17:04 AM EDT by miamilightning]
Check out this article at FrontPageMag.com, David Horowitz' site. I've included the first page here, but the article's too long to include in its entirety.

www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=21820

By Lowell Ponte
FrontPageMagazine.com | March 28, 2006

Europe’s botched civilization, perverted by socialism and lost faith, seems to have lost the will, the passion to sustain itself. If it continues to practice today’s multiculturalist leftism, Europe’s demographic doom will be sealed. Some harbingers:



* In Brussels, Belgium, the most popular name for baby boys is now Mohammad. Sustaining the population of a nation requires that on average each couple gives birth to 2.1 children. The average European couple now has fewer than 1.4 babies, compared to 3.6 babies born to the average Muslim immigrant couple in Europe. Across Western Europe 16 to 20 percent of babies are being born into Muslim families.
* In France at least 12 percent of the population is already Muslim, the fruits mostly of immigrants from former French colonies in North Africa. If present birth trends continue, by 2030 a quarter of France’s people will be Muslim, more than enough to determine who controls the national parliament and executive. As this columnist recently noted, the nuclear-armed French military is already 15 percent Muslim. Adjacent Switzerland is now 20 percent Muslim.
* The German newspaper Deutsche Welle days ago reported that Germany’s birth rate in 2005 fell to a level lower than at the end of World War II, to a “historic low,” more than fifty percent lower than those of France and Great Britain. But at a meeting this week in Berlin that brought together the interior ministers of six European nations, Germany’s leftwing Social Democrats continued to oppose the application of any test or standard that would restrict who could migrate into Germany.

The burgeoning Muslim population within Europe is not evenly spread. It is largely concentrated in and around big cities, whose local politicians feel its pressure acutely and often bend to that pressure. In the Netherlands the cities of Amsterdam and Rotterdam nearly have Muslim majorities now.



These Islamic enclaves are already taking on the character of conquered provinces that no longer belong to the European countries around them. As FrontPage Magazine recently quoted from the new book While Europe Slept by liberal American expatriate Bruce Bawer:



In France, a public official met with an imam at the edge of Roubaix’s Muslim district out of respect for his declaration of the neighborhood as Islamic territory to which she had no right of access. In Britain, imams have pressed the government to officially designate certain areas of Bradford as being under Muslim, not British, law. In Denmark, Muslim leaders have sought the same kind of control over parts of Copenhagen. And in Belgium, Muslims living in the Brussels neighborhood of Sint-Jans-Molenbeek already view it not as part of Belgium but as an area under Islamic jurisdiction in which Belgians are not welcome.
Link Posted: 3/29/2006 5:14:51 AM EDT
Link Posted: 3/29/2006 5:15:30 AM EDT
Boy is that last paragraph something.
Link Posted: 3/29/2006 5:15:30 AM EDT
Link Posted: 3/29/2006 5:24:56 AM EDT

Originally Posted By TimJ:
socialism will kill Europe from the inside, like cancer.





yeah, and kill Canada, and Socialism is a disease, so I hope y'all stop it before it gets *more* into your country
Link Posted: 3/29/2006 5:27:46 AM EDT

Originally Posted By TacticalPenguin:

Originally Posted By TimJ:
socialism will kill Europe from the inside, like cancer.





yeah, and kill Canada, and Socialism is a disease, so I hope y'all stop it before it gets *more* into your country



I'm hopeful we can stem the tide,...but I'm NOT as hopeful as I was a few years ago.
Link Posted: 3/29/2006 6:01:30 AM EDT
Meanwhile, DUMBASS AMERICAN senators and congress-critters are surrendering our country to illegal aliens.
Link Posted: 3/29/2006 6:02:49 AM EDT
Seen all the illegals running around our country?
Link Posted: 3/29/2006 6:09:00 AM EDT
How are we any better? Anyone been watching the news this week?
Link Posted: 3/29/2006 6:14:04 AM EDT

Dumbass Euros are surrendering continent over to Islamists....


Mexicans....America....
Link Posted: 3/29/2006 6:47:52 AM EDT

In most European countries*, the muslims make up less than 5% of the population - usually around 2 or 3%

Even with somewhat higher birth rates among muslims (which incidentally drop among those 2nd/3rd generation immigrants who do get educations and decent jobs), anyone who imagines that muslims will "soon" be a majority in any country* is very, very bad at basic arithmetic.

(* - France being the exception, because of their North African ties, which have let in huge number of muslims - possible as many as 10-12% of the population).
Link Posted: 3/29/2006 8:05:49 AM EDT
for a number of years, i have maintained that within another generation, france and germany will be muslim nations. mcole
Link Posted: 3/29/2006 8:09:08 AM EDT
I am optomistic, I think second generation muslims will be converted by consumerism. It worked on the European Christians.
Link Posted: 3/29/2006 8:21:47 AM EDT
FOr the future of Europe in the 21st century look to India, They have essentially a "duelistic" System in some instances. One legal system for Hindis, one for Muslims. "seperate but equal, i guess" Muslims get their own special "ghettos" where they can set thier own Sharia based laws and Hindus are not welcome. Oh and PS, they also have Mega-ethnic strife between the two groups. About 40 million people have been killed in riots or displaced over the last 100 years. Yes that is right 40,000,000! not 400 or 4000. But before you write off Europe keep one thing in mind, Thier destiny is in thier OWN hands not in the hands of the Muslims. All they'd have to do to stem the tide is A. restrict immigration a LOT! They are already doing this. B. make it easier to strip someone of thier citizenship if they act treasonous. They are already doing this. C. Keep their birth rates on par with the Muslims. This they are not doing, but then again that could change. And lastly as a drastic final solution they could put on brown or black shirts. .......................................
Link Posted: 3/29/2006 8:33:48 AM EDT

Originally Posted By mcole:
for a number of years, i have maintained that within another generation, france and germany will be muslim nations. mcole



Problem is, the math doesn't work.

Germany is less than 4% muslim, many of whom are elderly and NOT having kids, and many of whom are little children, and not ready to have kids yet.

So, let's be generous, and assume that half the muslims are ready to have kids, based on their age group (and, lets also assume that half of them even WANT to have kids, and found a partner to have kids with - also very generous assumtions). So this would mean that less than 2% of the german population is somehow going to have enough kids to become a MAJORITY in Germany in a generation?

That's patently impossible. Let's do the math.

For one thing, only about 15 million germans are going to die within the next 20 years (roughly the percentage above age 65, let's say). So, if 15 million die (and lets also be generous and assume that NONE of the ones that die are muslims) - that drops the "german" (non-muslim) part of the population from about 82 million to about 67 million.

For the muslims to become the majority in a generation, they'd have to add a minimum of 64 million kids in the next generation more than the germans are having kids - and that number will only increase as the "german" germans have kids of their own.

So let's assume that NO "german" germans will have ANY children at all, just to make the calculation easier, and to make it even easier for the muslims to "take over". All germans will immediately stop having kids, except muslims. This is obviously a completely retarded assumption, since plenty of germans are having kids (although perhaps not at the 2.1 children per couple replacement rate a society generally wants), but useful for calculation.

So, the question is, even with the crazy assumption that all "german" germans will stop having children, how many children will each muslim couple need to have to have muslims be the majority in one generation?

If there are roughly 3 million muslims in Germany, and about half are of breeding age, ability and desire, that leaves 1.5 million in that category. Which is about 750,000 couples, obvioulsy.

So, if 750,000 couples need to generate 64,000,000 children in one generation, that would roughly be 85 children per muslim couple.

I don't really think that's going to happen.



Not trying to mock you or flame you - just saying that the muslims are not going to be a majority in Germany in one generation, or anytime soon. Once you start calculating the actual maths involved, it will take a LONG time for muslims to become a majority in most European countries.

That doesn't mean it's not a huge problem. I agree 100% that it's a problem, especially in large European cities. There are some Swedish cities (some unfortunately close to Denmark) where the police have completely lost control of parts of the city. The complete lack of respect for democracy and law, and the lack of any loyalty to their "new" home countries that some muslims have displayed over this cartoon debacle have opend many eyes (especially in Denmark), about just how much of a threat even a muslim minority in a country is to freedom and democracy.

Link Posted: 3/29/2006 8:38:10 AM EDT

Originally Posted By SS109:
I am optomistic, I think second generation muslims will be converted by consumerism. It worked on the European Christians.



Unfortunately, that was the assumption that the Danish government and people had in the 1970s and 1980s. The first immigrants from Pakistan, Persia, Turkey, etc - might have real problems assimilating, but their kids will be quite "Danish"

About 10 years ago, they realized that they were WRONG - and a large proportion of the second generation (and even third generation) immigrants had zero interest in integration or assimilation, and were just becoming a huge drain on the welfare state, and straining the criminal justice system.

That's why Denmark changed their immigration laws and now have the toughest immigration laws in Europe.


The entire cartoon debacle is demonstrating the kind of price that we are now paying for our generosity and optimism. Intolerance, sedition and treason, death threats, and a complete lack of respect for law, democracy and freedom.
Link Posted: 3/29/2006 9:36:22 AM EDT

Originally Posted By DK-Prof:

Originally Posted By SS109:
I am optomistic, I think second generation muslims will be converted by consumerism. It worked on the European Christians.



Unfortunately, that was the assumption that the Danish government and people had in the 1970s and 1980s. The first immigrants from Pakistan, Persia, Turkey, etc - might have real problems assimilating, but their kids will be quite "Danish"

About 10 years ago, they realized that they were WRONG - and a large proportion of the second generation (and even third generation) immigrants had zero interest in integration or assimilation, and were just becoming a huge drain on the welfare state, and straining the criminal justice system.

That's why Denmark changed their immigration laws and now have the toughest immigration laws in Europe.


The entire cartoon debacle is demonstrating the kind of price that we are now paying for our generosity and optimism. Intolerance, sedition and treason, death threats, and a complete lack of respect for law, democracy and freedom.



Personally it's "you reap what you sow." I remeber getting the same guff from my Norwegian Relatives about how "America is racist" "why do you have ghetto?" blah blah blah. They would point with pride about how they welcomed "all peoples" and they were what the US once was. A tolerant proud people who welcomed all poor and oppressed. Meanwhile i was like, you consider a 1% black population to be "Multicultural"?? Get back to me when you've got 15%! That was back in the eighties. Now fastfoward and suddenly you hear the universal Scandinavian nervous "GULP!" Aint so big mouthed now, are ya Oskar???? Even though Norway and sweden still have small Muslim populations they are already witnessing severe problems with "culture clash" They literally have to make laws specifically aimed at curbing Islamic excessess. Like preventing "child bride importation" and Taking girls to the ME so they can be "declitorsed" then bring them back to Norway, And having to specifically outlaw multiple "common law" wives. Both Norway and Denmark are changing to meet this new threat. HOWEVER Sweden is practically commiting Suicide. I'm only 1/8? Swedish, (my great grandmother) but i feel sorry for them, they are truly crazy. This "cartoon Jihad" is the perfect example. Both Denmark and Norway had the balls to print the cartoons and give the finger to the little brats, but Sweden did not only NOT stand by Denmark, but the vast majority of Swedes were trying to teach the "wicked danes" a lesson in "multi-culturalism" i talked to at least 4 different Swedes on the net all who were spouting off all that loony left crap. Meanwhile they have the biggest problems of all! Meanwhile the Finns dont have any problems what so ever. Basically the immigrants got off the boat at helsinki and went "ughh, this place is even more depressing than Gaza!" and went back home.
Link Posted: 3/29/2006 9:42:25 AM EDT

Originally Posted By t-stox:

Originally Posted By DK-Prof:

Originally Posted By SS109:
I am optomistic, I think second generation muslims will be converted by consumerism. It worked on the European Christians.



Unfortunately, that was the assumption that the Danish government and people had in the 1970s and 1980s. The first immigrants from Pakistan, Persia, Turkey, etc - might have real problems assimilating, but their kids will be quite "Danish"

About 10 years ago, they realized that they were WRONG - and a large proportion of the second generation (and even third generation) immigrants had zero interest in integration or assimilation, and were just becoming a huge drain on the welfare state, and straining the criminal justice system.

That's why Denmark changed their immigration laws and now have the toughest immigration laws in Europe.


The entire cartoon debacle is demonstrating the kind of price that we are now paying for our generosity and optimism. Intolerance, sedition and treason, death threats, and a complete lack of respect for law, democracy and freedom.



Personally it's "you reap what you sow." I remeber getting the same guff from my Norwegian Relatives about how "America is racist" "why do you have ghetto?" blah blah blah. They would point with pride about how they welcomed "all peoples" and they were what the US once was. A tolerant proud people who welcomed all poor and oppressed. Meanwhile i was like, you consider a 1% black population to be "Multicultural"?? Get back to me when you've got 15%! That was back in the eighties. Now fastfoward and suddenly you hear the universal Scandinavian nervous "GULP!" Aint so big mouthed now, are ya Oskar???? Even though Norway and sweden still have small Muslim populations they are already witnessing severe problems with "culture clash" They literally have to make laws specifically aimed at curbing Islamic excessess. Like preventing "child bride importation" and Taking girls to the ME so they can be "declitorsed" then bring them back to Norway, And having to specifically outlaw multiple "common law" wives. Both Norway and Denmark are changing to meet this new threat. HOWEVER Sweden is practically commiting Suicide. I'm only 1/8? Swedish, (my great grandmother) but i feel sorry for them, they are truly crazy. This "cartoon Jihad" is the perfect example. Both Denmark and Norway had the balls to print the cartoons and give the finger to the little brats, but Sweden did not only NOT stand by Denmark, but the vast majority of Swedes were trying to teach the "wicked danes" a lesson in "multi-culturalism" i talked to at least 4 different Swedes on the net all who were spouting off all that loony left crap. Meanwhile they have the biggest problems of all! Meanwhile the Finns dont have any problems what so ever. Basically the immigrants got off the boat at helsinki and went "ughh, this place is even more depressing than Gaza!" and went back home.



Agree 100%.

The Swedes have totally lost their minds. They were being all self-righteous and holier than thou when Denmark changed the immigration laws, calling us racist and everything. Meanwhile, their cities are totally melting down.

(Ironically, Sweden has the highest proportion of neo-nazis of any european country, so when it does melt down, its going to be a total clusterfuck.)


I agree the Finns don't have any problem, because nodoby wants to immigrate there. Hell, even the Finns can only stand it because they are drunk most of the time.
Link Posted: 3/29/2006 4:12:38 PM EDT

Originally Posted By t-stox:
Even though Norway and sweden still have small Muslim populations they are already witnessing severe problems with "culture clash" They literally have to make laws specifically aimed at curbing Islamic excessess.



Sweden and Norway is two different worlds. We have about 100K muslims (1.8%), Sweden's percentage is much higher. Swedens has a total lack of serious debate on immigrant issues, an official statement is that Swedens giant immigrant problem comes from "strutural racism" - the ethnic Swedes are racists. And the immigrants are poor ofcouse, although Sweden gives them free housing, healthcare, education and what not, it is not enough. The Swedish solution is not to stop migration from the third world, but to give them more money and hope that the problem solves itself over time. Norway is something else where the most popular political party is pretty much based on strict immigration laws and with a serious debate where significant parts of the population is dead tired of third worlds immigrants.



Like preventing "child bride importation" and Taking girls to the ME so they can be "declitorsed" then bring them back to Norway, And having to specifically outlaw multiple "common law" wives. Both Norway and Denmark are changing to meet this new threat. HOWEVER Sweden is practically commiting Suicide. I'm only 1/8? Swedish, (my great grandmother) but i feel sorry for them, they are truly crazy. This "cartoon Jihad" is the perfect example. Both Denmark and Norway had the balls to print the cartoons and give the finger to the little brats, but Sweden did not only NOT stand by Denmark, but the vast majority of Swedes were trying to teach the "wicked danes" a lesson in "multi-culturalism" i talked to at least 4 different Swedes on the net all who were spouting off all that loony left crap. Meanwhile they have the biggest problems of all!



Our government did a bad on the Mohammed cartoons issue, and they lost significant support because of it. While the Danes had a fuck you attitude to the savages who started whining we bent halfway over and tried to "understand" them.

Of all the countries in the world where the Mohammed cartoons where publised, Sweden handled it worst when their foreign minister just got fired for having the state department contact a web host to have them shutting down the web pages for a political party who posted Mohammed cartoons.



Meanwhile the Finns dont have any problems what so ever. Basically the immigrants got off the boat at helsinki and went "ughh, this place is even more depressing than Gaza!" and went back home.



Nope, Finland tend to ship immigrants home instead of letting them stay.
Link Posted: 3/29/2006 4:14:46 PM EDT
I hadn't planned on adding "Europeans" to my "Destroy on Sight" list, but if that's the Arfcom consensus, I'm on board.
Link Posted: 3/29/2006 5:22:26 PM EDT
pot. kettle. black.

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