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Posted: 3/28/2006 8:42:28 AM EDT
It seems the Catholic Church in LA is one of the main organizers of these immigrant protests. YOU Catholics need to ask WTF are they doing fomenting insurrection and strife. This pisses me off and they need to have their tax exempt status revoked immediatley. It was bad enough they covered up the rape of hundreds of children, but this is blatant!
Link Posted: 3/28/2006 8:43:24 AM EDT

Originally Posted By CannoncockerUSMC:
It seems the Catholic Church in LA is one of the main organizers of these immigrant protests. YOU Catholics need to ask WTF are they doing fomenting insurrection and strife. This pisses me off and they need to have their tax exempt status revoked immediatley. It was bad enough they covered up the rape of hundreds of children, but this is blatant!



IBTL.
Link Posted: 3/28/2006 8:44:44 AM EDT
Source?

There are elements of the Catholic Church that support illegal immigration but I don't think it is the official policy.
Link Posted: 3/28/2006 8:45:55 AM EDT

Originally Posted By SS109:
Source?

There are elements of the Catholic Church that support illegal immigration but I don't think it is the official policy.



There are high officials in the LA area that are helping with all this illegal stuff.

While I understand their compassion, I also think it is time for Catholics to unite in telling their leadership not to help destroy the US.
Link Posted: 3/28/2006 8:46:21 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/28/2006 8:46:46 AM EDT by dolanp]
The vast majority of Mexicans are Catholic so it's not really surprising. I would bet the churches that are supporting it are almost entirely hispanic churches.
Link Posted: 3/28/2006 8:50:54 AM EDT
STFU

That no more represents the beliefs or policy of the Catholic church than Al Sharpton represents the average protesant.
Link Posted: 3/28/2006 8:52:55 AM EDT

Originally Posted By dolanp:
The vast majority of Mexicans are Catholic so it's not really surprising. I would bet the churches that are supporting it are almost entirely hispanic churches.



+1
Link Posted: 3/28/2006 8:55:57 AM EDT

Originally Posted By triburst1:
That no more represents the beliefs or policy of the Catholic church than Al Sharpton represents the average protesant.




+1, but I'll be putting out a letter to the Archbishop anyway.

Same as when we had pro-communist priests in South/Central America despite an anti-communist Pope.
Link Posted: 3/28/2006 8:56:23 AM EDT

Originally Posted By John_Wayne777:

Originally Posted By SS109:
Source?

There are elements of the Catholic Church that support illegal immigration but I don't think it is the official policy.



There are high officials in the LA area that are helping with all this illegal stuff.

While I understand their compassion, I also think it is time for Catholics to unite in telling their leadership not to help destroy the US.



The elephant in the room is the question. WTF's wrong with Mexico? Shouldn't Catholics be lobbying their church to overthrow the government of Mexico rather than the government of the US.
Link Posted: 3/28/2006 8:59:43 AM EDT

Originally Posted By triburst1:
STFU

That no more represents the beliefs or policy of the Catholic church than Al Sharpton represents the average protesant.



True, but the leadership of the Catholic Church needs to talk with these local leaders, quickly.
Link Posted: 3/28/2006 9:08:08 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/28/2006 9:55:45 AM EDT by CannoncockerUSMC]
The Catholic Church needs to stay out of politics or risk the wrath of their members.

Link Posted: 3/28/2006 9:15:43 AM EDT

Originally Posted By nightstalker:

Originally Posted By John_Wayne777:

Originally Posted By SS109:
Source?

There are elements of the Catholic Church that support illegal immigration but I don't think it is the official policy.



There are high officials in the LA area that are helping with all this illegal stuff.

While I understand their compassion, I also think it is time for Catholics to unite in telling their leadership not to help destroy the US.



The elephant in the room is the question. WTF's wrong with Mexico? Shouldn't Catholics be lobbying their church to overthrow the government of Mexico rather than the government of the US.



No, because the PROBLEM with the Catholic Church in America is they actively courted in seminaries some 25 odd years ago not only child molesters and homosexuals but also COMMUINSTS and racists. Cardinal Mahoney needs to be stripped of his position.

Link Posted: 3/28/2006 9:18:26 AM EDT

Originally Posted By CannoncockerUSMC:
The Catholic Church needs to stay out of politics or risk the wrath of their members.

Oh and YOU STFU Triburst....get your facts.




Easy Cannon,

I agree they need to stay outta politics.......and likewise I'll be writing to our local Diocese (likely an email) but I agree with Triburst. I don't think this represents the opinion of Catholics as a whole. All churches (denominations) have issues and are not immune from the deeds of men. I hate being the one to say it
Link Posted: 3/28/2006 9:18:28 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/28/2006 9:19:51 AM EDT by ryann]

Originally Posted By triburst1:
STFU

That no more represents the beliefs or policy of the Catholic church than Al Sharpton represents the average protesant.



I am Catholic, a member of the Dallas Diocese. Last week on Dallas talk radio, I heard the Bishop of the Dallas Diocese being interviewed by Greg Knapp on KLIF.
The Bishop was discussing his opposition to the immigration reform bills pending, whining the usual talking points of how it'd be a felony to "help" immigrants, and repeating the Republican talking points about amnesty, etc.
The good Bishop even went so far as to blame the United States for the problem of illegals, intimating that because US immigration policys are so tough the illegals are forced to break the law.
I listened as long as I could to the Bishop's bullshit, and called the station to voice my opinion. I actually got on the air, and told Mr Knapp, the host of the show, that as a Dallas Catholic the Bishop does not speak for me. Mr Knapp acknowledged my call, and went on to the next caller, but I had plenty more to say.
I wanted to say that I hoped the Bishop recognized Church law and doctrine, and since he obviously didn't believe in United States law I hoped he follows Church law. I wanted to say that I didn't believe the Bishops talking points at all, and I suspect the bottom line is MONEY; the Bishop recognizes that most of the illegals are Catholic and perhaps he hopes the waves of illegals will drop a few extra coins in the collection basket.
I also wanted to tell the talk show host that with a heavy heart I'm now questioning my religion.

For the poster that said the Catholic church as a whole doesn't oppose immigration reform, I hate to have to advise you that the official position of the Council of Catholic Bishops is to oppose immigration reform.

I blame the Bush administration for a lot of this problem, as I type there's a full blown protest in downtown Dallas over immigration reform.
I look at the Bush administration with the same contempt and disgust as I viewed the Clinton administration.

I also agree, with sadness and trepidation, that the Catholic church should lose it's 503 tax exemption for becoming a partisan political player.
Link Posted: 3/28/2006 9:25:04 AM EDT
And aren't illegals converting to protestantism AND ISLAM in droves?
Link Posted: 3/28/2006 9:26:50 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 3/28/2006 9:30:56 AM EDT

Originally Posted By ryann:
I also agree, with sadness and trepidation, that the Catholic church should lose it's 503 tax exemption for becoming a partisan political player.




I don't have a problem with this, partly because I think all churches should be taxed anyway (why are we subsidizing religion?)
Link Posted: 3/28/2006 9:32:50 AM EDT
If anyone is truly interested in learning about this, then do some reading up on "Liberation Theology" and "Preferential option for the poor".

It is where most of the modern Catholic Church's social justice thinking has come from. It's basis is in talks among SA/CA Bishops in the 1960s that grew to full standing under Pope John Paul II.

This is a case of the heart being in the right place, but as a lifetime Catholic, I believe it is gone too far. It was meant to reflect the social messages in scripture (Deuteronomy 16.11-12, Exodus 22.21-27, Isaiah 1.16-17 , Luke 4.1-22, Matthew 25.31-46) but it has become a politicized quagmire.

I heard this a LOT, being taught by Jesuits, and while the intention is noble, the execution tends to be anti-American/Capitalism.
Link Posted: 3/28/2006 9:34:45 AM EDT
Doesn't South and Central America have the highest population of Catholics in the world? I'm surprised there haven't been any Latin Popes!
Link Posted: 3/28/2006 9:35:53 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Spade:
I don't have a problem with this, partly because I think all churches should be taxed anyway (why are we subsidizing religion?)



You aren't "subsidizing" anything.

There is a recognition in the law that some organizations exist without a motive for profit, and indeed they provide a useful service to the community.
Link Posted: 3/28/2006 9:46:58 AM EDT

Originally Posted By BayEagle:
If anyone is truly interested in learning about this...<snip>



+1

Unfortunately, the American Catholic bishops rarely reflect the sentiment of the congregation. I once told my pastor that he, and the American Catholic bishops, don't understand the difference between social justice and social-ism.

Oh, and IBTL.
Link Posted: 3/28/2006 9:49:08 AM EDT

Originally Posted By John_Wayne777:

Originally Posted By Spade:
I don't have a problem with this, partly because I think all churches should be taxed anyway (why are we subsidizing religion?)



You aren't "subsidizing" anything.

There is a recognition in the law that some organizations exist without a motive for profit, and indeed they provide a useful service to the community.



Semantics perhaps, but if they're not being taxed I'd argue that's a defacto subsidization
Link Posted: 3/28/2006 10:03:20 AM EDT
After Cardinal Mahoney's involvement in the pedophile cases and the Carlos Vignali pardon, you can't really be surprised that the Archdioces is messing around outside the bounds of what would generally be considered the role of the Church or even generally acceptable Roman Catholic doctrine.

Cardinal Mahoney is well knit into fringe of the Catholic Church espousing liberation theology while simultaneously working to build his own little empire like most cadre socialists.

What I don't understand is why he doesn't face Church discipline. He gets corrected often, but has yet to face real sanctions. This is one priest who should be reassigned to a small congregation of penguins in Antarctica with all the pedophiles he protected.
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