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Posted: 3/27/2006 8:28:04 AM EDT
Why are these people allowed to protest at all, much less clogging streets and shutting down traffic, etc.? At the most they should not be allowed to protest at all, at the least they should be herded at gunpoint and nightstick into some obscure parking lot "Free Speech Zone" like every other group that has tried to have their say in this country in the last few years. If you are in this country illegally you have NO rights guaranteed by the 1st Amendment: no right to assembly and no right to petition the government for a redress of grievances. If you are here illegally, and an alien, you are not one of "We, the People", you are not a part of the body politic, this is not YOUR government- you are ALIEN, and illegal at that.

Link Posted: 3/27/2006 8:38:09 AM EDT
Preach it!


Mark.

Link Posted: 3/27/2006 11:21:02 PM EDT
Can you imagine all the whiney tinfoil types hee if they ever got asked by an LEO to show citizenship if they came to a pro-gun rally?

How about you tell us mastermind how we determine citizneship on folks walking down the street (or in the street)?

The tin foil guys around here get the vapors about receipt checkers at Wal-Mart, do you really think they are going to put up with "Your papers , please?"?
Link Posted: 3/27/2006 11:27:53 PM EDT

Originally Posted By PaDanby:
Can you imagine all the whiney tinfoil types hee if they ever got asked by an LEO to show citizenship if they came to a pro-gun rally?

How about you tell us mastermind how we determine citizneship on folks walking down the street (or in the street)?

The tin foil guys around here get the vapors about receipt checkers at Wal-Mart, do you really think they are going to put up with "Your papers , please?"?



You sir are entirely correct.


But, I would be fun to see if the INS was cruising through picking up all those where were not citizens.
Link Posted: 3/27/2006 11:30:41 PM EDT

Originally Posted By PaDanby:
Can you imagine all the whiney tinfoil types hee if they ever got asked by an LEO to show citizenship if they came to a pro-gun rally?

How about you tell us mastermind how we determine citizneship on folks walking down the street (or in the street)?

The tin foil guys around here get the vapors about receipt checkers at Wal-Mart, do you really think they are going to put up with "Your papers , please?"?



Got sig line?

Fine line to walk.
The person whom you ask for ID might be an insurgent. Or he may be a citizen. Does the chance that the person you ask may be an insurgent warrant probable cause?
Link Posted: 3/28/2006 1:15:20 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/28/2006 1:16:24 AM EDT by Big_Bear]
Link Posted: 3/28/2006 1:23:04 AM EDT

Originally Posted By M-60:
Preach it!


Mark.




Speak on it brother. Although I suspect a fair amount of the people in that pic are citizens. But, why they feel that illegals should have the same rights as the rest of us I have no clue.

" I'll have a 'coke' Then"....................David De La Rocco.
Link Posted: 3/28/2006 2:48:12 AM EDT
I can proove my citizenship, since I carry a legally certified Birth Certificate Card in my wallet.
Link Posted: 3/28/2006 3:03:49 AM EDT
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, endowed by their creator with certain unailenable rights..."

The right to speak and be heard, and to peaceably assemble, is not intrinsic to citizens of the US. It's the birthright of all human beings. It is recognized, not granted, by the US Constitution.

The places to stop the wave of illegal immigration are at the border, at the places of refuge, and at the voting booth. The last thing anybody needs are papers just to speak.
Link Posted: 3/28/2006 3:07:06 AM EDT
The INS should have been called with a few 1000 Busses National Guard and some Apache Helo's....
Link Posted: 3/28/2006 4:07:23 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Horseman:
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, endowed by their creator with certain unailenable rights..."

The right to speak and be heard, and to peaceably assemble, is not intrinsic to citizens of the US. It's the birthright of all human beings. It is recognized, not granted, by the US Constitution.

The places to stop the wave of illegal immigration are at the border, at the places of refuge, and at the voting booth. The last thing anybody needs are papers just to speak.



+1

For principle and law. It's kinda like saying you would die to protect the rights of the most anti self-defense, communist, pedophile, MZB. You just have to beat them another way.

Their verbal protest and desent is not valid in this land b/c they are not legal citizens of the US. Enforce the laws!
Link Posted: 3/28/2006 4:12:35 AM EDT

Originally Posted By sovereign:
Why are these people allowed to protest at all, much less clogging streets and shutting down traffic, etc.? At the most they should not be allowed to protest at all, at the least they should be herded at gunpoint and nightstick into some obscure parking lot "Free Speech Zone" like every other group that has tried to have their say in this country in the last few years. If you are in this country illegally you have NO rights guaranteed by the 1st Amendment: no right to assembly and no right to petition the government for a redress of grievances. If you are here illegally, and an alien, you are not one of "We, the People", you are not a part of the body politic, this is not YOUR government- you are ALIEN, and illegal at that.

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a big +1 Tell it like it is!
Link Posted: 3/28/2006 4:17:47 AM EDT

Originally Posted By PaDanby:
Can you imagine all the whiney tinfoil types hee if they ever got asked by an LEO to show citizenship if they came to a pro-gun rally?

How about you tell us mastermind how we determine citizneship on folks walking down the street (or in the street)?
The tin foil guys around here get the vapors about receipt checkers at Wal-Mart, do you really think they are going to put up with "Your papers , please?"?



That't the point. It has evolved to a point you would have to be asked for "papers" to prove you were a citizen. By design, IMO, because a freedom loving person would never put up with it unless it involved "national security" or "terrorism" or some other such tripe that has been a problem since the beginning of the country......

GR
Link Posted: 3/28/2006 4:23:04 AM EDT
Free Speech zones are an abomination. The United States of America is a "Free Speech Zone".
Link Posted: 3/28/2006 4:32:37 AM EDT
Its the end of the world as we know it and I don't feel fine. The tail is now wagging the dog.
Link Posted: 3/28/2006 6:20:56 AM EDT

American law is not a doormat for the world to wipe it's feet on. We rounded up Americans of Japanese and German extraction during WWII because we recognised a greater danger --Losing the f*cking war!

If my country were not so completely compromised by the illegal infiltration across the southern border, I would feel otherwise.

But for now -- It's time to round them up, sort them out, and give the cheaters the bum's rush back to whatever sh!thole they came from.
Link Posted: 3/28/2006 9:09:34 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Horseman:
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, endowed by their creator with certain unailenable rights..."

The right to speak and be heard, and to peaceably assemble IN THEIR OWN DAMN COUNTRY , is not intrinsic to citizens of the US. It's the birthright of all human beings. It is recognized, not granted, by the US Constitution.

The places to stop the wave of illegal immigration are at the border, at the places of refuge, and at the voting booth. The last thing anybody needs are papers just to speak.



The constitution should not be used as door mat for the rest of the world to poop on. We're talking about 12 million law breakers.
Link Posted: 3/28/2006 9:18:13 AM EDT
Time to dust the crops.

Link Posted: 3/28/2006 9:25:47 AM EDT
Head'em up, mov'em out.
Link Posted: 3/28/2006 5:07:14 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/28/2006 5:22:20 PM EDT by clement]

Originally Posted By Horseman:
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, endowed by their creator with certain unailenable rights..."

The right to speak and be heard, and to peaceably assemble, is not intrinsic to citizens of the US. It's the birthright of all human beings. It is recognized, not granted, by the US Constitution.

The places to stop the wave of illegal immigration are at the border, at the places of refuge, and at the voting booth. The last thing anybody needs are papers just to speak.



They may have natural rights but our constitution doesn't protect them. The constitution is a contract between the people and the government (the contract that gave our government power by consent of the governed), and within that contract the government is required to protect those rights "of the people" (legal citizens). Our government has NO social contract with illegal aliens (they have a social contract with their home country), they arn't the ones giving consent to our government to rule. Therefore our government has NO obligation what-so-ever to abide by the same rules as they do with us when dealing with illegals.

Just like if we decided to dissolve the constitution and gave some new tyrannical government the power to infringe on those rights, they can and probably would, and since we formed a social contract with that government allowing it to do so, they have the ability to.

BTW, being heard is NOT a right. You or anyone else does not have a right to force me or anyone else to listen to you.
Link Posted: 3/28/2006 5:32:04 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Horseman:
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, endowed by their creator with certain unailenable rights..."

The right to speak and be heard, and to peaceably assemble, is not intrinsic to citizens of the US. It's the birthright of all human beings. It is recognized, not granted, by the US Constitution.




Thank you for posting that. I think that sometimes people forget the difference between "recognizing" and "granting" of basic unalienable rights.
Link Posted: 3/29/2006 8:03:25 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Admiral_Crunch:
Free Speech zones are an abomination. The United States of America is a "Free Speech Zone".



Yes. But why are these people, and this issue, being given special treatment, yet again? Why aren't they required to be in a Free Speech Zone? Like those who wish to protest the WTO or any other UN/NWO type of meeting. Or political demonstrations directed at either of the two political parties in this country?
Link Posted: 3/29/2006 9:55:27 AM EDT
They will have no trouble getting lawyers to represent them to help break down the Constitution even further from the original intent than it is already.
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