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Posted: 3/26/2006 11:15:27 AM EDT
Iran

Behind closed doors, Britain is pushing a strategy intended to gain Russian and Chinese support for a Chapter VII resolution by mid-summer. Chapter VII resolutions can allow for political and economic sanctions, as well as justify military attacks.

If Kenneth Timmerman is to be believed, this plan is hopeless due to Russia's double game.

Which ever way it goes, China is following the Russian line.

An Iranian regime paper voices the obvious: we must declare that 1385 is being foreseen to be a particularly dangerous year for the Islamic regime...

How dangerous? Well, it could be worse for 'em. Check out Mark Buehner's argument in favour of nuking Iran.

Is Iran helping al-Qaeda? Well, yeah, probably....

The link between the Libyan and Iranian nuclear weapons programs.

President Bush has said that the U.S. military would defend Israel from Iranian attack.

A Japanese newspaper has claimed that the U.S. asked the Japanese government not to develop an Iranian oil field. Japan denies the claim, and will not halt the project.

PM Blair says that Iran is meddling 'furiously' in Iraq, saying: The conventional view is that, for example, Iran is hostile to al-Qaeda and therefore would never support its activities. But as we know from our own history of conflict, under the pressure of battle, alliances shift and change.

Kuwait is one of several Arab countries concerned about Iran's nuclear program.

An American of Iranian origin has been charged with trying to export pressure sensors to Iran. The components are said to be useful for manufacturing bombs.

Link Posted: 3/26/2006 11:18:15 AM EDT
It is coming, isn't it?
Link Posted: 3/26/2006 11:26:36 AM EDT
Don't Look for U.N. Help on Iran
by Joe Katzman on March 26, 2006 08:03 AM

Small Town Veteran notes that Britain is moving toward a more confrontational approach with Iran. Captain's Quarters notes that Russia and China are bought off by Iran and remain so - and thus, the UN avenue Britain is attempting to preserve is also bought and paid for.


"We have reached the point where the Western nations looking to defend themselves from Islamofascist threats need to band together instead of working through a dead process at Turtle Bay. The UN does not preserve peace; it preserves the status quo, and unfortunately that allows rogue nations like Iran the breathing room they need to make those developing threats a reality. We need to recognize that and act on it. The US and the UK are not required to commit suicide in the cause of upholding the credibility of international organizations that have already demonstrated themselves as hopelessly corrupt and demonstrably inert."


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Link Posted: 3/26/2006 11:42:30 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 3/26/2006 11:42:52 AM EDT
The IAEA says Iran's nuclear program is more advanced than previously thought. Details after the jump.
Link Posted: 3/26/2006 11:50:13 AM EDT

Originally Posted By The_Camp_Ninja:
It is coming, isn't it?



It looks like it. Hopefully, it will go like Iraq, and not go NBCR, but I can't see Iran holding back.

It's interesting that there is no, or at least, very little, pacifict hand-wringing over attacking Iraq. It may be that Iran is obiously and openly developing the capability of builing nukes, AND has delivery systems that can hit Europe. I don't know. But I find the lack of peaceniking interesting.

We should have a poll: Who thinks that W would nuke Iran in response to a WMD attack? Who thinks W would nuke 1st and ask questions later?
Link Posted: 3/26/2006 12:22:21 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 3/26/2006 12:30:03 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 3/26/2006 12:33:48 PM EDT
Disband the UN. They suck and they HQs is taking up space here in the US.

Max
Link Posted: 3/26/2006 12:42:10 PM EDT
The whole reason for getting rid of the League of Nations was because it couldn't enforce the decisions they made. Isn't the UN basically going in that same direction?
Link Posted: 3/26/2006 12:47:33 PM EDT
Iran, If they made the first move toward Israel or Europe. Most likley would glow for a long time.

I would have to beleave that Isreal is up to something on there own. Did it before! (They provide it can be done)

They are not going to wait for the rest of the world to act on some UN talk. They are on the front lines, And are going to be the fisrt hit. No matter what.

And what is the rest of the world going to do? They'll look the other way just like they did the last time. Oh sure, you'll have a few (Saudi,Iraq,North K, and France cann't forget them) That will want blood. But it will all fade away.

Maybe well even get luck and get North K. in line.

The Fact is ISRAEL has nothing to lose. But YES, its coming.
Link Posted: 3/26/2006 12:48:27 PM EDT
If we go to war with Iran, the draft will become a reality.
Link Posted: 3/26/2006 12:49:47 PM EDT
YEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!
Link Posted: 3/26/2006 12:51:48 PM EDT

Originally Posted By AR-Doctor:
Iran, If they made the first move toward Israel or Europe. Most likley would glow for a long time.

I would have to beleave that Isreal is up to something on there own. Did it before! (They provide it can be done)

They are not going to wait for the rest of the world to act on some UN talk. They are on the front lines, And are going to be the fisrt hit. No matter what.

And what is the rest of the world going to do? They'll look the other way just like they did the last time. Oh sure, you'll have a few (Saudi,Iraq,North K, and France cann't forget them) That will want blood. But it will all fade away.

Maybe well even get luck and get North K. in line.

The Fact is ISRAEL has nothing to lose. But YES, its coming.



Except for the fact that it is a fantasy that Isreal can do anything meaningful by itself. Not enough planes, not enough misslies, not enough nukes. Not without US support- and politically that would not be any different from doing it ourselves.
Link Posted: 3/26/2006 12:53:01 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/26/2006 12:53:23 PM EDT by Wolfpack]
Link Posted: 3/26/2006 12:53:15 PM EDT

Originally Posted By slaughter:
If we go to war with Iran, the draft will become a reality.



SURRE it will.

What the hell would we do with them? What the hell would we do with all the half trained infantry that dont want to be there?

What would we arm them with?
Link Posted: 3/26/2006 12:57:49 PM EDT
Great, never been to Iran yet, Fuck my wife is going to be pissed.
Link Posted: 3/26/2006 12:59:36 PM EDT
Ahmadinejad says Iran to go nuclear this year
(DPA)

25 March 2006



TEHERAN - Iran would fully go nuclear with the current Persian year, which started simultaneously with spring on March 20, Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said on Saturday.


“Our enemies try to prevent our scientific progress through wide- spread propaganda but inshallah (God willing) this (new) year will be the year when the Islamic Republic of Iran will fully avail itself of peaceful nuclear technology,” Ahmadinejad was quoted as saying by the news agency ISNA.

In a meeting with visiting Syrian Vice President Farouq al-Shara, Ahmadinejad said Iran’s use of peaceful nuclear energy will be to the benefit of the Islamic world and the “friends of Iran.”

Earlier on Saturday Iran thanked Russia and China for their stance in the ongoing dispute over Iran’s controversial nuclear programme, state news agency IRNA reported.

Iranian Foreign Minister Manouchehr Mottaki thanked his Russian and Chinese counterparts by telephone for their “logical stance” and persistence to evaluate the issue within the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA).

Russia and China have so far refused plans for ultimatums or deadlines put by the United Nations Security Council on Iran for suspending all its uranium enrichment programmes.

Mottaki reiterated Iran’s wish to find a broad-based agreement through negotiations and criticized any political approach in the UN Security Council towards the issue.


Link Posted: 3/26/2006 1:02:05 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/26/2006 1:02:42 PM EDT by slaughter]

Originally Posted By ArmdLbrl:

Originally Posted By slaughter:
If we go to war with Iran, the draft will become a reality.



SURRE it will.

What the hell would we do with them? What the hell would we do with all the half trained infantry that dont want to be there?

What would we arm them with?



Replace the dead and wounded.
Link Posted: 3/26/2006 1:13:54 PM EDT
we won't see any military action against iran this year(2006).
Link Posted: 3/26/2006 1:13:56 PM EDT
Iran , like N Korea is pushing the issue right now
because they know the on going issue in Iraq is
building anti war sentiment here in the US .

Unfortunately they are right , and if the Left gain control
of the Senate and white house in the next two elections .
Then it's a done deal that Iran will join Club Nuke .

If that happens . Japan , the Philippines , Egypt , Saudi Arabia ,
Libya , South Africa , Argentina , Brazil and most of the former
Soviet bloc countries all possess the ability and materials to make WMD's
and some will undoubtedly choose to do so .

IMHO , that's the real danger of Iran completing it's program
Link Posted: 3/26/2006 1:14:07 PM EDT

Originally Posted By slaughter:

Originally Posted By ArmdLbrl:

Originally Posted By slaughter:
If we go to war with Iran, the draft will become a reality.



SURRE it will.

What the hell would we do with them? What the hell would we do with all the half trained infantry that dont want to be there?

What would we arm them with?



Replace the dead and wounded.



Look at the lopsided casualties in Mogadishu. And we didn't use tanks, artillery, or bombers.

Mob attacks are not a danger.

If they try to repeat what they are trying in Iraq, well we have lost all of 2000 killed and 16000 wounded in THREE YEARS.

So why do we need a draft?
Link Posted: 3/26/2006 1:18:31 PM EDT

Originally Posted By CitySlicker:
YEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!­!!




Are you currently in the military, or will you be in the military in the next three years?
Link Posted: 3/26/2006 1:19:34 PM EDT
Look at the lopsided casualties in Mogadishu. And we didn't use tanks, artillery, or bombers.

Mob attacks are not a danger.

If they try to repeat what they are trying in Iraq, well we have lost all of 2000 killed and 16000 wounded in THREE YEARS.

So why do we need a draft?


Because this time, with Iran we will be fighting a coalition.

A coalition of Islamic countries thirsting for American blood.
Link Posted: 3/26/2006 1:20:42 PM EDT

Originally Posted By slaughter:
Look at the lopsided casualties in Mogadishu. And we didn't use tanks, artillery, or bombers.

Mob attacks are not a danger.

If they try to repeat what they are trying in Iraq, well we have lost all of 2000 killed and 16000 wounded in THREE YEARS.

So why do we need a draft?


Because this time, with Iran we will be fighting a coalition.

A coalition of Islamic countries thirsting for American blood.



There is no such thing.
Link Posted: 3/26/2006 1:24:37 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/26/2006 1:25:40 PM EDT by Belloc]
From one of the links:

"Military theory and International Law are in agreement on this point: when under threat of immanent attack, it is not only legal, but morally imperative to preempt the enemy. It is of critical importance that Iran is brought to heel for this, not only to avenge the future deaths of our brave troops/ civilians/ oil fields, but more importantly to send a clear message to other rogue nations around the globe."

We need to attack Iran to avenge the deaths of our troops that will be killed in battle once we attack Iran?

www.windsofchange.net/archives/008315.php
Link Posted: 3/26/2006 1:29:39 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/26/2006 1:31:42 PM EDT by AROptics]
More on the coming crash of the dollar.
More on the coming of $5 gasoline.
More on the coming recession.
More on the coming Democratic majority.
More on the coming of the Iran/China/Russia strategic alliance
More on the coming Chinese invasion of Taiwan.
More on the coming Feinstein/Schumer semi-automatic weapons ban.

35% approval! 9,000,000,000,000 debt ceiling!

You Neocons are rabid, mad dogs plain and simple.
Link Posted: 3/26/2006 1:34:28 PM EDT

Originally Posted By AROptics:
More on the coming crash of the dollar.
More on the coming of $5 gasoline.
More on the coming recession.
More on the coming Democratic majority.
More on the coming of the Iran/China/Russia strategic alliance
More on the coming Chinese invasion of Taiwan.
More on the coming Feinstein/Schumer semi-automatic weapons ban.

35% approval! 9,000,000,000,000 debt ceiling!

You Neocons are rabid, mad dogs plain and simple.



Seek professional help.
Link Posted: 3/26/2006 1:34:53 PM EDT

Originally Posted By AROptics:
More on the coming crash of the dollar.
More on the coming of $5 gasoline.
More on the coming depression.
More on the coming Democratic majority.
More on the coming of the Iran/China/Russia strategic alliance
More on the coming Chinese invasion of Taiwan.
More on the coming Feinstein/Schumer semi-automatic weapons ban.

35% approval! 9,000,000,000,000 debt ceiling!




Fixed it.
Link Posted: 3/26/2006 1:41:52 PM EDT

Originally Posted By CitySlicker:
YEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!­!!



Say that when you are washing sand from under your nut sack
Link Posted: 3/26/2006 1:50:54 PM EDT
Link Posted: 3/26/2006 1:59:29 PM EDT

Originally Posted By vito113:

Originally Posted By ArmdLbrl:
Originally Posted By slaughter:
Originally Posted By ArmdLbrl:
Originally Posted By slaughter:


Look at the lopsided casualties in Mogadishu. And we didn't use tanks, artillery, or bombers.

Mob attacks are not a danger.

If they try to repeat what they are trying in Iraq, well we have lost all of 2000 killed and 16000 wounded in THREE YEARS.

So why do we need a draft?



And in Mogadishu they were fighting a professional standing army of 325,000 equipped with reasonably effective equipment and armor? …not to mention hundreds of thousands of reservists…

And an air defence system equipped with double digit SAMs and iHAWK?




You really think that is going to be a problem?
Link Posted: 3/26/2006 2:05:39 PM EDT

Originally Posted By vito113:

Originally Posted By ArmdLbrl:
Originally Posted By slaughter:
Originally Posted By ArmdLbrl:
Originally Posted By slaughter:


Look at the lopsided casualties in Mogadishu. And we didn't use tanks, artillery, or bombers.

Mob attacks are not a danger.

If they try to repeat what they are trying in Iraq, well we have lost all of 2000 killed and 16000 wounded in THREE YEARS.

So why do we need a draft?



And in Mogadishu they were fighting a professional standing army of 325,000 equipped with reasonably effective equipment and armor? …not to mention hundreds of thousands of reservists…

And an air defence system equipped with double digit SAMs and iHAWK?




Not to mention still needing to keep boots and equipment on the ground in Afganistan and Iraq, and the 37,000 we still have in South Korea.
Link Posted: 3/26/2006 2:07:30 PM EDT

Originally Posted By CitySlicker:
YEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!­!!



Shalom.

Link Posted: 3/26/2006 2:11:32 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Belloc:

Originally Posted By vito113:

Originally Posted By ArmdLbrl:
Originally Posted By slaughter:
Originally Posted By ArmdLbrl:
Originally Posted By slaughter:


Look at the lopsided casualties in Mogadishu. And we didn't use tanks, artillery, or bombers.

Mob attacks are not a danger.

If they try to repeat what they are trying in Iraq, well we have lost all of 2000 killed and 16000 wounded in THREE YEARS.

So why do we need a draft?



And in Mogadishu they were fighting a professional standing army of 325,000 equipped with reasonably effective equipment and armor? …not to mention hundreds of thousands of reservists…

And an air defence system equipped with double digit SAMs and iHAWK?




Not to mention still needing to keep boots and equipment on the ground in Afganistan and Iraq, and the 37,000 we still have in South Korea.



Why would there be other than the tail end logistics people in Afghanistan and Iraq...

Afganistan is slowly being handed over to NATO, and Iraq is being handed over to the Iraqi Army.
Link Posted: 3/26/2006 2:20:01 PM EDT

Originally Posted By slaughter:
If we go to war with Iran, the draft will become a reality.



no .. unless iran attacks the us somehow no politician or group of politicians we be able to reinstate the draft, call up 500,000 or so unwilling suplicants, train for what is it, 9 to 12 months and then deploy those soldiers (500,000 is a crapload of people to deploy) to iran via iraq and a-stan.. for a drawn out land war with a country 3 times bigger than iraq with tons of high mountains and bordered by the old russkies who would not be very happy....

perhaps .. maybe the israelis will do something.. on one else will.. iran gets nukes, joins the club.. and the world's gonna have to deal with it..

thats what i think...

only way to do iran is with something very sophisticated that we don't know about (us civies) or tactical nukes to get to all 350 heavily buried sites.. then you gotta sit back an figure how to deal with a whole bunch of very upset mullahs in a country borders a large portion of the world's oil supplly...
Link Posted: 3/26/2006 2:23:47 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/26/2006 2:24:34 PM EDT by slaughter]
Iraq was beat down during desert storm. Intelligence estimates felt it would take them 10 years to recover to where they presented any type of real problem. We attacked them before they had a chance to recover.

There will be no such story with Iran, not to mention they have learned how we operate and how to fight us when and if we go to war with them.

Iran will be bloody, make no mistake about that. It will be brutal.

I suspect the draft will be 18 to 37 year olds this go round.
Link Posted: 3/26/2006 2:50:29 PM EDT

Originally Posted By ArmdLbrl:

Originally Posted By slaughter:
If we go to war with Iran, the draft will become a reality.



SURRE it will.

What the hell would we do with them? What the hell would we do with all the half trained infantry that dont want to be there?

What would we arm them with?



Who the fuck are you calling half trained? That is a big fucking insult to all Infnatrymen. You know, you speak a lot for someone who was never there and never plans too. Just like you and the issue of women in combat.

By the way, if you're referring to that recent "scientific" poll that revealed "a majority of US Forces would like to be removed", has it occurred to to you that a majority of those polled were probably non Combat Arms personnel?
Link Posted: 3/26/2006 4:31:11 PM EDT
We've been fortunate so far, the Iranians delayed the oil bourse for the immediate future.

If it had opened on schedule last week we'd already be at war.

$5 gas and a depression are coming whether we invade or not, the depression is inevitable, the only question is what event will it be blamed on? Could be war with Iran, could be something else entirely, only thing you can be certain of is it won't be blamed on its actual causes in the media, or by the politicians.
Link Posted: 3/26/2006 4:56:26 PM EDT

We've been fortunate so far, the Iranians delayed the oil bourse for the immediate future.



Do you know why?

Bomber
Link Posted: 3/26/2006 5:11:49 PM EDT
Tactical tag.
Link Posted: 3/26/2006 5:15:39 PM EDT

Originally Posted By CitySlicker:

Originally Posted By ArmdLbrl:

Originally Posted By slaughter:
If we go to war with Iran, the draft will become a reality.



SURRE it will.

What the hell would we do with them? What the hell would we do with all the half trained infantry that dont want to be there?

What would we arm them with?



Who the fuck are you calling half trained? That is a big fucking insult to all Infnatrymen. You know, you speak a lot for someone who was never there and never plans too. Just like you and the issue of women in combat.

By the way, if you're referring to that recent "scientific" poll that revealed "a majority of US Forces would like to be removed", has it occurred to to you that a majority of those polled were probably non Combat Arms personnel?




Before you go getting your ass on your shoulders, I think he's referring to the draftees, which, in the highly unlikelynearly impossible event that a draft occurred, would wind up like the draftees of another unpopular war 40 years ago. They would be, for the most part, unwilling, unmotivated, and poorly trained, compared to current standards.
Link Posted: 3/26/2006 7:21:25 PM EDT

Originally Posted By ArmdLbrl:
Why would there be other than the tail end logistics people in Afghanistan and Iraq...

Afganistan is slowly being handed over to NATO, and Iraq is being handed over to the Iraqi Army.



Operative word "slowly" as in not for at least a couple/several more years. Any substantial reduction in Iraq, coupled with an invasion with Iran, = civil war in Iraq.
Link Posted: 3/26/2006 7:25:59 PM EDT
Link


Planning
The Iranian Oil Bourse was reported in the media to have a planned opening date of March 20, 2006 [1], at the Iranian New Year, Nauroz. The geographical location is expected to be the island of Kish [2].

According to an April 2005 report, the Tehran Stock Exchange (TSE), the Wimpole Consortium and a private staff fund for retired petroleum workers will together form the consortium developing the Iran Petroleum Exchange[3]. In January 2006, Chris Cook of the Wimpole Consortium referred to delays in the process due to the election to the presidency of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and subsequent difficulty of appointing a new oil minister acceptable both to the president and parliament[4].

[edit]
Delayed opening
Due to "technical glitches", according to the Ministry of Petroleum, the launch was postponed, with no new date set. [5]
Link Posted: 3/26/2006 7:29:08 PM EDT

Originally Posted By vanilla_gorilla:

Originally Posted By CitySlicker:

Originally Posted By ArmdLbrl:

Originally Posted By slaughter:
If we go to war with Iran, the draft will become a reality.



SURRE it will.

What the hell would we do with them? What the hell would we do with all the half trained infantry that dont want to be there?

What would we arm them with?



Who the fuck are you calling half trained? That is a big fucking insult to all Infnatrymen. You know, you speak a lot for someone who was never there and never plans too. Just like you and the issue of women in combat.

By the way, if you're referring to that recent "scientific" poll that revealed "a majority of US Forces would like to be removed", has it occurred to to you that a majority of those polled were probably non Combat Arms personnel?




Before you go getting your ass on your shoulders, I think he's referring to the draftees, which, in the highly unlikelynearly impossible event that a draft occurred, would wind up like the draftees of another unpopular war 40 years ago. They would be, for the most part, unwilling, unmotivated, and poorly trained, compared to current standards.



I agree he was talking about the "new recruits" not the guys in uniform now. Except what he doesn't realize is that there are at least some that would try their damndest to get the war over with quick. None of this pussyfooting around like our Liberal types would have us do.
Link Posted: 3/26/2006 7:33:00 PM EDT
Link Posted: 3/26/2006 11:10:23 PM EDT
Link Posted: 3/26/2006 11:15:06 PM EDT
They are not afraid.
Link Posted: 3/26/2006 11:32:18 PM EDT
I wonder how many of you really know anything about Iran or their intentions.

Where do you get this stuff?
Link Posted: 3/26/2006 11:50:44 PM EDT
Wake up, here it comes!!!
This has started out about oil but will become a Holy War.
Don't worry though we will kick ASS!!!!!
Link Posted: 3/27/2006 12:02:14 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/27/2006 12:04:52 AM EDT by AROptics]
What is the combined land area of Iraq, Afghanistan and Iran? It is getting to sound more and more like the German 6th Army out on the Steppes of Mother Russia. "This land will swallow us...".

And all the war mongers here are TOTALLY POSITIVE that Pakistan, China or Russia won't just hand a few nukes over to a proxy if we don't know when to say when?

I'm thinking Civil Defense is where we should put some of that deficit spending.
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