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Posted: 3/26/2006 7:24:44 AM EDT
I went to visit my favorite gun shop here locally yesterday, and I found out some weird news. Back last November I purchased a brand new Bushmaster M4 type w/ 16 in barrel. Well, I was having too many problems with it at the range, so I went back to the owner of the gun shop and they just swapped out that A2 carry handle Bushy for a brand new Bushy flat top for me to take home. I said fair enough, and had not heard anything until yesterday.

The gun shop sent it back for repair to Bushmaster. Several days later they got the mail back from Bushmaster via UPS, but all they got was the clamshell case minus a brand new Bushy.

So, my guess is that someone at UPS wanted that sucker real bad.
Link Posted: 3/26/2006 7:26:24 AM EDT
Or mayby someone at the gun shop "forgot" to put it in the box, so they could blame UPS?
Link Posted: 3/26/2006 7:39:14 AM EDT
So what is your point?
Link Posted: 3/26/2006 7:40:53 AM EDT

Originally Posted By XDBACKUPGUN:
So what is your point?




Ups sucks and bushmasters jam?
Link Posted: 3/26/2006 7:41:23 AM EDT

Originally Posted By MrClean4Hire:

Originally Posted By XDBACKUPGUN:
So what is your point?




Ups sucks and bushmasters jam?




I am sure that is not what he is saying.


Link Posted: 3/26/2006 7:44:37 AM EDT

Originally Posted By XDBACKUPGUN:
So what is your point?



Just passing some info along, why? This is general discussion right.
Link Posted: 3/26/2006 7:46:53 AM EDT

Originally Posted By MrClean4Hire:

Originally Posted By XDBACKUPGUN:
So what is your point?




Ups sucks and bushmasters jam?



lol
Link Posted: 3/26/2006 7:54:34 AM EDT
That is why UPS makes you ship handguns Next Day Air. It makes it harder for their employees to steal them. They have a huge problem with this. It is also why I avoid using them.
Link Posted: 3/26/2006 7:57:37 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Arlis:
That is why UPS makes you ship handguns Next Day Air. It makes it harder for their employees to steal them. They have a huge problem with this. It is also why I avoid using them.



UPS has a problem with people stealing handguns?



Do you know that all entry and exit points at UPS facilities are secured and most have Metal Detectors plus 1 or 2 rent a cops?

Before posting BS about people stealing handguns from UPS, get your head out of your ass, after doing this you will not feel the need to post such utter BS.
Link Posted: 3/26/2006 8:01:24 AM EDT
Um, it is really , really easy to steal things from UPS. I worked for the Louisville hub for 8 months when I was in college. There was a detail at the end of the night to go around the fence line and police up all the empty boxes from people stealing.
Link Posted: 3/26/2006 8:03:58 AM EDT
Link Posted: 3/26/2006 8:06:00 AM EDT

Originally Posted By vengarr:
Um, it is really , really easy to steal things from UPS. I worked for the Louisville hub for 8 months when I was in college. There was a detail at the end of the night to go around the fence line and police up all the empty boxes from people stealing.



I've walked right into the griffin ga hub without issue picked up my package out of the stack and walked out.

Security is non existant there all I did was ask where my box was and they waved me at the pile...

But they've never lost anything of mine.
Link Posted: 3/26/2006 8:07:25 AM EDT

Originally Posted By XDBACKUPGUN:

UPS has a problem with people stealing handguns?



Do you know that all entry and exit points at UPS facilities are secured and most have Metal Detectors plus 1 or 2 rent a cops?

Before posting BS about people stealing handguns from UPS, get your head out of your ass, after doing this you will not feel the need to post such utter BS.



LOL, somebody works for UPS!
Link Posted: 3/26/2006 8:09:56 AM EDT

Originally Posted By glklvr:

Originally Posted By XDBACKUPGUN:

UPS has a problem with people stealing handguns?



Do you know that all entry and exit points at UPS facilities are secured and most have Metal Detectors plus 1 or 2 rent a cops?

Before posting BS about people stealing handguns from UPS, get your head out of your ass, after doing this you will not feel the need to post such utter BS.



LOL, somebody works for UPS!




Anything else to add? Or is that all the wit you are capable of producing.
Link Posted: 3/26/2006 8:11:42 AM EDT

Originally Posted By glklvr:

Originally Posted By XDBACKUPGUN:

UPS has a problem with people stealing handguns?



Do you know that all entry and exit points at UPS facilities are secured and most have Metal Detectors plus 1 or 2 rent a cops?

Before posting BS about people stealing handguns from UPS, get your head out of your ass, after doing this you will not feel the need to post such utter BS.



LOL, somebody works for UPS!



+2
Link Posted: 3/26/2006 8:14:53 AM EDT

Originally Posted By glklvr:

Originally Posted By XDBACKUPGUN:

UPS has a problem with people stealing handguns?



Do you know that all entry and exit points at UPS facilities are secured and most have Metal Detectors plus 1 or 2 rent a cops?

Before posting BS about people stealing handguns from UPS, get your head out of your ass, after doing this you will not feel the need to post such utter BS.



LOL, somebody works for UPS!



Probably their lose prevention division too....

Link Posted: 3/26/2006 8:16:42 AM EDT
Link Posted: 3/26/2006 8:22:20 AM EDT
UPS has a theft problem, it's well known and ongoing for years.
Link Posted: 3/26/2006 8:37:10 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Gamma762:
UPS has a theft problem, it's well known and ongoing for years.



Oh, teh noes! Alert the rent-a-cops!
Link Posted: 3/26/2006 8:39:39 AM EDT

Originally Posted By -brass-:

Originally Posted By glklvr:

Originally Posted By XDBACKUPGUN:

UPS has a problem with people stealing handguns?



Do you know that all entry and exit points at UPS facilities are secured and most have Metal Detectors plus 1 or 2 rent a cops?

Before posting BS about people stealing handguns from UPS, get your head out of your ass, after doing this you will not feel the need to post such utter BS.



LOL, somebody works for UPS!



Somebody has to work there. What is your point?

He has a job, which is something several people here would like. Plus UPS has awesome pay and benefits.




Typical Children.

They have no point.

They just like to play internet commando.
Link Posted: 3/26/2006 8:46:16 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/26/2006 8:47:59 AM EDT by PeteCO]

Originally Posted By XDBACKUPGUN:
Typical Children.

They have no point.



Easy, killer.

Unless you are the CEO of UPS, I don't see why you would get offended. When my company fucks up, I don't get my pussy hurt about it. THAT'S "the point", for you two bright bulbs.


They just like to play internet commando.


...coming from a guy with over 34 posts a day
Link Posted: 3/26/2006 8:47:53 AM EDT

Originally Posted By PeteCO:

Originally Posted By XDBACKUPGUN:
Typical Children.

They have no point.



Easy, killer.

Unless you are the CEO of UPS, I don't see why you would get offended. When my company fucks up, I didn't get my pussy hurt about it. THAT'S "the point", for you two bright bulbs.


They just like to play internet commando.


...coming from a guy with over 34 posts a day




So are you going to use UPS to ship that Handgun?
Link Posted: 3/26/2006 8:49:28 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/26/2006 8:50:00 AM EDT by PeteCO]

Originally Posted By XDBACKUPGUN:

Originally Posted By PeteCO:

Originally Posted By XDBACKUPGUN:
Typical Children.

They have no point.



Easy, killer.

Unless you are the CEO of UPS, I don't see why you would get offended. When my company fucks up, I didn't get my pussy hurt about it. THAT'S "the point", for you two bright bulbs.


They just like to play internet commando.


...coming from a guy with over 34 posts a day




So are you going to use UPS to ship that Handgun?



Either UPS or Fedex, probably. I have no dog in this fight, other than to point out how you got your panties in a bunch about the allegation of a theft problem. Hell, every company has a theft problem. Which is why I'll insure my package. To get offended that someone points that out is a bit silly, yes?
Link Posted: 3/26/2006 8:49:50 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Gamma762:
UPS has a theft problem, it's well known and ongoing for years.



You would be suprized at how many people I personally saw getting cought stealing when I worked there. The only job there that would be easy to steal from would be the drivers because they are already away from the building. UPS uses hidden cameras to monitor people they suspect of stealing and they know what to look for. Also, the $5,000 reward for turning someone for stealing is nice too. Why would you risk stealing in a place that has almost nowhere to hide when someone that sees you take something can get a fat payout.

As for the case with no gun I would assume that it broke open by itself in the conveyor system, a fairly common thing would happen dozens of times a shift, the gun got stuck somewhere and the case continued on. Specially trained people are supossed to tape up the boxes by supervisors will do it to save time, with no regard for what was actually in the box.
Link Posted: 3/26/2006 8:51:14 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/26/2006 8:51:34 AM EDT by XDBACKUPGUN]

Originally Posted By PeteCO:

Originally Posted By XDBACKUPGUN:

Originally Posted By PeteCO:

Originally Posted By XDBACKUPGUN:
Typical Children.

They have no point.



Easy, killer.

Unless you are the CEO of UPS, I don't see why you would get offended. When my company fucks up, I didn't get my pussy hurt about it. THAT'S "the point", for you two bright bulbs.


They just like to play internet commando.


...coming from a guy with over 34 posts a day




So are you going to use UPS to ship that Handgun?



Either UPS or Fedex, probably. I have no dog in this fight, other than to point out how you got your panties in a bunch about the allegation of a theft problem. Hell, every company has a theft problem. Which is why I'll insure my package. To get offended that someone points that out is a bit silly, yes?




Do you notice how the original poster has not said anything since his original post.


We have been ed.


Link Posted: 3/26/2006 8:52:24 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/26/2006 8:54:53 AM EDT by LANCEMAN]
I used to work next door to UPS in the industrial park. It was always fun to go out there on a smoke break and watch the guys on the dock playing soccer with packages and chucking them like grenades or footballs and missing the openings of the trucks all together Didn't look very high security to me, all they would have had to do was walk over to their cars in the same fenced in area and throw a package in it

ETA: That was more than a few years ago, they have probably tightened up a bit since then

I've never had a problem with shipping firearms with UPS Ground though but what are you gonna do, there are crooks in every business.
Link Posted: 3/26/2006 8:53:51 AM EDT

Originally Posted By XDBACKUPGUN:

Do you notice how the original poster has not said anything since his original post.


We have been ed.





You mean I got riled up for nothing?
Link Posted: 3/26/2006 8:54:56 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/26/2006 8:55:58 AM EDT by XDBACKUPGUN]

Originally Posted By PeteCO:

Originally Posted By XDBACKUPGUN:

Do you notice how the original poster has not said anything since his original post.


We have been ed.





You mean I got riled up for nothing?




Yes, I did as well.



ETA. I do not get riled about the internet.
ETA2. Your math fu sucks I only average 24 posts per day.
Link Posted: 3/26/2006 8:55:44 AM EDT

Originally Posted By XDBACKUPGUN:
Yes, I did as well.


ETA. I do not get riled about the internet.



The internet is serious business, my friend.
Link Posted: 3/26/2006 8:56:37 AM EDT

Originally Posted By PeteCO:

Originally Posted By XDBACKUPGUN:
Yes, I did as well.


ETA. I do not get riled about the internet.



The internet is serious business, my friend.





Who has the Al Gore pic with that phrase?


Link Posted: 3/26/2006 9:00:10 AM EDT
Link Posted: 3/26/2006 9:00:30 AM EDT

Originally Posted By XDBACKUPGUN:

Originally Posted By PeteCO:

Originally Posted By XDBACKUPGUN:

Originally Posted By PeteCO:

Originally Posted By XDBACKUPGUN:
Typical Children.

They have no point.



Easy, killer.

Unless you are the CEO of UPS, I don't see why you would get offended. When my company fucks up, I didn't get my pussy hurt about it. THAT'S "the point", for you two bright bulbs.


They just like to play internet commando.


...coming from a guy with over 34 posts a day




So are you going to use UPS to ship that Handgun?



Either UPS or Fedex, probably. I have no dog in this fight, other than to point out how you got your panties in a bunch about the allegation of a theft problem. Hell, every company has a theft problem. Which is why I'll insure my package. To get offended that someone points that out is a bit silly, yes?




Do you notice how the original poster has not said anything since his original post.


We have been ed.





I have just been reading the posts. What do you want me to say? All of this info that I have posted was told to me yesterday. So, I thought that I would post it.
Link Posted: 3/26/2006 9:02:18 AM EDT
problem is if they are smart they dont have to take it out of the building or even open it to steal stuff... just slap a new label on it....
Link Posted: 3/26/2006 9:04:25 AM EDT
I will let you in on the biggest scam at UPS. It is the 2nd day air and 3 day air. Unless you are shipping across country and need it there in 3 days you are being ripped off. If a second day or 3 day package can make it to its destination going with the regular ground it goes with the regular ground, there are no special trucks and it isn't all put on a plane. For example from cleveland to the texas border a 2 day package would go with the ground packages and would make it just fine. imagine a straight line up from there and you get the idea of the large area coverd in the 2nd day air by ground. So if you are shipping part of the way across the country and don't need it there in 2-3 days ground is the best way.


Just incase you want to know, I works as a sorter for almost 7 years. It was my job to send the boxes to the trucks to be loaded, all the 2-3 air that wouldn't make it ground went to is own area to get sent to the airport, the rest sent like it was normal.
Link Posted: 3/26/2006 9:06:42 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Orion_Shall_Rise:
problem is if they are smart they dont have to take it out of the building or even open it to steal stuff... just slap a new label on it....



You would think that would work, I tryed to think of how to do that when I was there. All of the info for the packages is stored in the computers, you might get away with in for a little while but their computer would start throwing up flags real quick and then would you want that trail leading to your address?
Link Posted: 3/26/2006 9:21:56 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Magurgle:

Originally Posted By Orion_Shall_Rise:
problem is if they are smart they dont have to take it out of the building or even open it to steal stuff... just slap a new label on it....



You would think that would work, I tryed to think of how to do that when I was there. All of the info for the packages is stored in the computers, you might get away with in for a little while but their computer would start throwing up flags real quick and then would you want that trail leading to your address?




its easy. google it. you use empty apartments or houses. they drop the pacakge off on the front door. u pick up the package after they leave. that pacakge just disappeared.

when you send a package, put MULTIPLE COPIES of any address's and postage stickers on it.

why would someone at the sorting facility steal it when they can just drop a sticker on the box and have the driver steal it for them without even knowing it?
Link Posted: 3/26/2006 10:02:48 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/26/2006 10:04:18 AM EDT by Magurgle]

Originally Posted By legonas:

Originally Posted By Magurgle:

Originally Posted By Orion_Shall_Rise:
problem is if they are smart they dont have to take it out of the building or even open it to steal stuff... just slap a new label on it....



You would think that would work, I tryed to think of how to do that when I was there. All of the info for the packages is stored in the computers, you might get away with in for a little while but their computer would start throwing up flags real quick and then would you want that trail leading to your address?




its easy. google it. you use empty apartments or houses. they drop the pacakge off on the front door. u pick up the package after they leave. that pacakge just disappeared.

when you send a package, put MULTIPLE COPIES of any address's and postage stickers on it.

why would someone at the sorting facility steal it when they can just drop a sticker on the box and have the driver steal it for them without even knowing it?



It might work with an empty house, but the drivers are not supossed to leave a package at an apartment for any reason, now in practice that might not always be the case. The only things worth stealing from UPS while working there would be small and non metallic. I even saw a guy get busted stealing a ring, it was pretty funny to watch. I'm sure it was even funnier when they took him to jail. There was also I guy that was stealing video games, he was a loader(the best job to have to stealing) and would break open the boxes going to the video game store. They cought onto him quick and let him keep doing it for a while. He got a few months rent free and three squares a day

EDIT: the multiple copy thing is a great idea, it helps the sorters out alot, every package in almost every building is sorted by hand not machine, so someone has to find the label then the zip and sent it down the right conveyor, all in less than 3 seconds.
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