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Posted: 3/24/2006 8:26:42 PM EDT
"No Free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms."
-Thomas Jefferson

"The very atmosphere of firearms everywhere restrains evil interference - they deserve a place of honor with all that is good."
-George Washington

"That the said Constitution shall never be construed to authorize Congress to infringe the just liberty of the press or the rights of conscience; or to prevent the people of The United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms."
-Samuel Adams
Link Posted: 3/24/2006 8:33:35 PM EDT
What part?

All of it.


Those who do understand don't care, because they think feel that they've evolved beyond such old fashioned ideas.
Link Posted: 3/24/2006 8:35:59 PM EDT
They understand it fine.

The right of the National Guard to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

Or 'something' like that.

Link Posted: 3/24/2006 8:37:13 PM EDT
Liberals have the need to push their ideals on others because they are insecure in their own beliefs. Why do you think they flip sides at the drop of a hat when something else becomes popular? they have no convictions, yet feel desperately that they need to stand for something in order to be taken seriously. Rather than researching a topic, they fall in line with what the media and hollywood say is popular. They crave attention, which in this country, is defined by contravorsy. Therefore, they will say or do anything to "go against the grain" to get this attention. They don't really care what they are saying as long as they get a reaction out of somebody. It's very much the same immature actions that a teenager will perform in front of their parents. They think they know it all and end up making complete fools out of themselves. Churchill said it best:

"If you're in your twenties and are not a liberal, you have no heart. If you are in your forties and are not a conservative, you have no brain."
Link Posted: 3/24/2006 8:42:43 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Accord:
"No Free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms."
-Thomas Jefferson

"The very atmosphere of firearms everywhere restrains evil interference - they deserve a place of honor with all that is good."
-George Washington

"That the said Constitution shall never be construed to authorize Congress to infringe the just liberty of the press or the rights of conscience; or to prevent the people of The United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms."
-Samuel Adams




These quotes from our forefathers only show that personal gun ownership was as much of a heated debate back then as it is now.

Too bad they did not elaborate in the Bill of Rights on the 2nd Amendment back then.

It's like they knew that the simple, precise sentence they delivered would not settle the issue.
Link Posted: 3/24/2006 9:28:02 PM EDT
It does seem that way.
Link Posted: 3/24/2006 9:31:56 PM EDT
Your trying to asscociate logic to a Libtard, does not work. They are in a rush to hand over thier rights and possessions to the state so they do not have to get a job or pay for healthcare.
Link Posted: 3/24/2006 9:34:29 PM EDT
Guns are the devil.
Link Posted: 3/24/2006 9:41:20 PM EDT
The vast majority of humanity believes in myths, the vote has never given birth to peace and a new nation, nations are born in blood, peace comes from victory, those that obtain what they have through the exertions of other's not only fear tools of destruction but the men that bear them, their grand object then is to eliminate the myth of their fears.

Link Posted: 3/24/2006 9:45:13 PM EDT
[lib]The Constitution is a "living document". It means something different now![/lib]
Link Posted: 3/24/2006 9:48:56 PM EDT
Liberals believe that the Constitution was written by "dead white men" and no longer applies in the "modern world". They believe it needs to be "interpreted" by liberal judges who are smarter thatn the rest of us, and will bend it to modern needs.

To that I say B--- S---.
Link Posted: 3/24/2006 9:53:15 PM EDT
Well, apparently it's the "NOT" part.....


Woody
Link Posted: 3/24/2006 9:58:01 PM EDT
Link Posted: 3/24/2006 9:59:05 PM EDT

Originally Posted By shotar:
Could someone please post the definition of infringed. I would look it up but I'm too tired from warning people not to take up for the convicted felon gun builder before they knew all the facts.




Infringe \In*fringe"\, v. t. [imp. & p. p. Infringed; p. pr. &
vb. n. Infringing.] [L. infringere; pref. in- in + frangere
to break. See Fraction, and cf. Infract .]
1. To break; to violate; to transgress; to neglect to fulfill
or obey; as, to infringe a law, right, or contract.
[1913 Webster]

Link Posted: 3/24/2006 10:17:19 PM EDT

For a people who are free, and who mean to remain so, a well organized and armed militia is their best security.

-- Thomas Jefferson, Eighth Annual Message, November 8, 1808



Unless the people are willing to assemble on the green (in public) with rifle and full battle gear and demonstrate the ability to enforce their vote, then the second amendment is just a joke not to be taken seriously.

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An armed and trained militia is the firmest bulwark of republics -- that without standing armies their liberty can never be in danger, nor with large ones safe... -- James Madison ( First Inaugural Address, Saturday, March 4, 1809.)


The militia is the natural defense of a free country against foreign invasions, domestic insurrections, and domestic usurpations of power by rulers. The right of citizens to keep and bear arms has justly been considered as the palladium of liberties of the republic, since it offers a strong moral check against the usurpation and arbitrary power of rulers, and will generally, even if these are successful in the first instance, enable the people to resist and triumph over them. -- U.S. Supreme Court Justice Joseph Story, Commentaries on the Constitution of the U.S., Book III at 746 (1833)



What, Sir, is the use of a militia? It is to prevent the establishment of a standing army, the bane of liberty .... Whenever Governments mean to invade the rights and liberties of the people, they always attempt to destroy the militia, in order to raise an army upon their ruins. -- Representative Elbridge Gerry of Massachusetts, spoken during floor debate over the Second Amendment, I Annals of Congress at 750, August 17, 1789 Quote on Militia


The power of the sword, say the minority of Pennsylvania, is in the hands of Congress. My friends and countrymen, it is not so, for the powers of the sword are in the hands of the yeomanry of America from sixteen to sixty. The militia of these free commonwealths, entitled and accustomed to their arms, when compared with any possible army, must be tremendous and irresistible. Who are the militia? Are they not ourselves? Is it feared, then, that we shall turn our arms each man against his own bosom? Congress have no power to disarm the militia. Their swords, and every other terrible implement of the soldier, are the birth-right of an American...[T]he unlimited power of the sword is not in the hands of either the federal or state governments, but, where I trust in God it ever will remain, in the hands of the people. -- Tench Coxe in the Pennsylvania Gazette, Feb. 20, 1788.

Link Posted: 3/24/2006 10:41:24 PM EDT

Originally Posted By STRATIOTES:
The vast majority of humanity believes in myths, the vote has never given birth to peace and a new nation, nations are born in blood, peace comes from victory, those that obtain what they have through the exertions of other's not only fear tools of destruction but the men that bear them, their grand object then is to eliminate the myth of their fears.


Well said.
Link Posted: 3/24/2006 11:09:40 PM EDT

Originally Posted By T2000:

Originally Posted By STRATIOTES:
The vast majority of humanity believes in myths, the vote has never given birth to peace and a new nation, nations are born in blood, peace comes from victory, those that obtain what they have through the exertions of other's not only fear tools of destruction but the men that bear them, their grand object then is to eliminate the myth of their fears.


Well said.

According to everyone with authority in the United States the second amendment applies only to militias and does not give you the right to anything but a bullet from a police officer. This is the law of the land according to every political science and government professor at FSU.

Our rights died long ago because we failed to do what was proper to keep our rights.

All the voting in the world wont save our rights. Only the blood of patriots can save us now.

Its to bad the patriots died hundreds of years ago.
Link Posted: 3/24/2006 11:25:52 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Accord:
"The very atmosphere of firearms everywhere restrains evil interference - they deserve a place of honor with all that is good."
-George Washington



What's the original source for this quote?
I've seen it a couple times, but it doesn't seem legit.
Link Posted: 3/24/2006 11:36:49 PM EDT

Originally Posted By BangStick1:

Originally Posted By Accord:
"No Free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms."
-Thomas Jefferson

"The very atmosphere of firearms everywhere restrains evil interference - they deserve a place of honor with all that is good."
-George Washington

"That the said Constitution shall never be construed to authorize Congress to infringe the just liberty of the press or the rights of conscience; or to prevent the people of The United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms."
-Samuel Adams




These quotes from our forefathers only show that personal gun ownership was as much of a heated debate back then as it is now.

Too bad they did not elaborate in the Bill of Rights on the 2nd Amendment back then.

It's like they knew that the simple, precise sentence they delivered would not settle the issue.



The founding fathers meant what they said and said what they meant. This is unlike our current problem with lawyers arguing about the meaning of the word is. To keep it simple- To the people who wrote the second amendment the meaning is clear and not subject to debate. The people or citizens right to bear arms will not be infringed.
Link Posted: 3/24/2006 11:49:14 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/24/2006 11:49:51 PM EDT by STRATIOTES]
The first ten Bill of Rights was supposed to be beyong the vote, no majority vote is to deny them !
If they are supreme and beyond the vote then it is the highest law in the land and must be enforced above all other laws.

So it has become a question of enforcement ! The militia must enforce the Bill of Rights or perish from the face of the earth.

Enforce the law or lick the boots that stomps you !
Link Posted: 3/24/2006 11:53:06 PM EDT
And the "arms" the Founding Fathers were talking about were 100% state of the art military grade.
Link Posted: 3/24/2006 11:55:58 PM EDT

Originally Posted By AROptics:
And the "arms" the Founding Fathers were talking about were 100% state of the art military grade.



Afirmative, Parity


"The militia of these free commonwealths, entitled and accustomed to their arms, when compared with any possible army, must be tremendous and irresistible. Who are the militia? Are they not ourselves? Is it feared, then, that we shall turn our arms each man against his own bosom. Congress have no power to disarm the militia. Their swords, and every other terrible implement of the soldier, are the birth-right of an American ... the unlimited power of the sword is not in the hands of either the federal or state governments, but, where I trust in God it will ever remain, in the hands of the people." - Tench Coxe Pennsylvania Gazette, February 20, 1788
Link Posted: 3/25/2006 12:01:34 AM EDT

Originally Posted By STRATIOTES:

Originally Posted By shotar:
Could someone please post the definition of infringed. I would look it up but I'm too tired from warning people not to take up for the convicted felon gun builder before they knew all the facts.




Infringe \In*fringe"\, v. t. [imp. & p. p. Infringed; p. pr. &
vb. n. Infringing.] [L. infringere; pref. in- in + frangere
to break. See Fraction, and cf. Infract .]
1. To break; to violate; to transgress; to neglect to fulfill
or obey; as, to infringe a law, right, or contract.
[1913 Webster]




Keep in mind, that any infringement, however small, still constitutes infringement.

And don't bring other threads in here...
Link Posted: 3/25/2006 12:03:01 AM EDT
If guns are banned, there will be world peace, an end to world hunger, a cure for AIDS, and interstellar space travel.
Link Posted: 3/25/2006 4:34:18 AM EDT
A. The right applies to state militias which are now the national guard.

B. It was written 200 years ago and is out of date.

C. People don't need guns, the government will protect them.

D. Many just "feel" that people shouldn't have guns.

E I'd rather be a victim that do violence to another human or animal.

F. You don't need 30 rounds to kill a deer.

G. If we let every Tom, Dick and Harry carry a gun the streets will run red with blood-shootouts and fenderbenders-Dodge city blah-blah-blah.

H. You'll put 'yer eye out.

Mild Bill
Link Posted: 3/25/2006 5:47:55 AM EDT

Originally Posted By mildbill39:
A. The right applies to state militias which are now the national guard.

B. It was written 200 years ago and is out of date.

C. People don't need guns, the government will protect them.

D. Many just "feel" that people shouldn't have guns.

E I'd rather be a victim that do violence to another human or animal.

F. You don't need 30 rounds to kill a deer.

G. If we let every Tom, Dick and Harry carry a gun the streets will run red with blood-shootouts and fenderbenders-Dodge city blah-blah-blah.

H. You'll put 'yer eye out.

Mild Bill



You forgot that:

I. Need a gun? Must be compensating for some "shortcoming"

J. They're icky


Woody
Link Posted: 3/25/2006 6:10:54 AM EDT
Can you imagine if the 1st Amendment was interpreted the same as the 2nd Amendment.

It would go like this:

You want to write an article for the local newspaper. Fine, but because you might have evil intentions you need to sumit it and wait a mandatory 3 day "cooling off" period before it can be printed. We don't want any hate speech.

You may go to the Church of your own choosing but first you need to obtain a "Church attendance" permit. 85 dollars please.
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