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Posted: 3/24/2006 7:48:10 PM EDT
So I was chatting up this chick in one of my college classes and it turns out she is from South Africa. I asked her what she thought about Americans, and she was vague and hesitant. My friend tried to get her to say what she really meant, and when he suggested "arrogant" she immediately agreed. When out of curiosity I tried to get her to elaborate, I could not get anything specific about why she thought this way; I think she was trying to avoid the issue for fear of offending us.

So, what is it with this charge of "arrogance"? I have heard this time and time again by foreigners when describing Americans. I'm not sure what it means. If we are arrogant (implying they of course are not), what does that make THEM? Is meekness and reticence more valued in other cultutres than confidence and assertivness?
Link Posted: 3/24/2006 7:50:51 PM EDT
Self confidence is often times mistaken for arrogance.
Link Posted: 3/24/2006 7:51:39 PM EDT
Inferiority complex.
Link Posted: 3/24/2006 7:52:11 PM EDT
Because we're better than them.

Saving their asses in two world wars has a tendency to make them feel a little insignificunt in comparison.
Link Posted: 3/24/2006 7:52:40 PM EDT
Because we use soap. I guess our smell (or lack of) reminds them of how primitive they still are.
Link Posted: 3/24/2006 7:52:45 PM EDT
Link Posted: 3/24/2006 7:53:11 PM EDT
Probably the Romans were arrogant, then Alexander, then Napoleon, the British Empire and Nazi Germany. Mostly in the eye of the beholder.
Link Posted: 3/24/2006 7:53:25 PM EDT
We ARE arrogant.
Link Posted: 3/24/2006 7:53:27 PM EDT
Is she hot?
Link Posted: 3/24/2006 7:53:31 PM EDT
Our country has the balls to take a position and stick with it, good, bad, or otherwise. While they are trying to out bid each other to see who can appease our enemies more, we are solving the worlds problems. We are simply on a different page. I think it is because we understand the problem and they (EU nations) have their heads in the sand.
Link Posted: 3/24/2006 7:56:04 PM EDT
Link Posted: 3/24/2006 7:56:16 PM EDT


Because the "world" falls into two catagories


A. We kicked your @ss
B. We kicked the @ss of the dudes that kicked your @ss.


Envy. We live better and are more generous than any other country in the history of mankind and it eats at them.

Link Posted: 3/24/2006 7:58:26 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/24/2006 8:41:35 PM EDT by warlord]
People outside of the USofA admires us because of the tremendous amount of personal wealth, and they personally resent that.
Link Posted: 3/24/2006 7:58:52 PM EDT
It ain't braggin if you can do it.
Link Posted: 3/24/2006 8:00:10 PM EDT
Because we think that we control our destiny.
Link Posted: 3/24/2006 8:00:21 PM EDT

Originally Posted By kikomax:
Is she hot?



Yep!

Sorry..no pics...yet!
Link Posted: 3/24/2006 8:00:59 PM EDT
because we are that fucking good! Seriously we can fuck up any country in a matter of days.
Link Posted: 3/24/2006 8:02:30 PM EDT
Basically, the average American has no idea what happens outside of the US news (which is entirely US-centric). Whereas other countries tend to focus more globally. This is a generalization of course, but that's more or less what people see. People of other countries interpret this as arrogrance when it's more like ignorance.
Link Posted: 3/24/2006 8:03:55 PM EDT
I don't know why, nor do I really care.

Now I should get back to groping my gun collection.. then off to Wal*Mart.
Link Posted: 3/24/2006 8:04:28 PM EDT

Originally Posted By 1911greg:
because we are that fucking good! Seriously we can fuck up any country in a matter of days minutes.

Link Posted: 3/24/2006 8:04:58 PM EDT

Originally Posted By HKTackDriver:


Because we're better than them. .




+1
Link Posted: 3/24/2006 8:05:56 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Bubbatheredneck:

Because the "world" falls into two catagories


A. We kicked your @ss
B. We kicked the @ss of the dudes that kicked your @ss.


Envy. We live better and are more generous than any other country in the history of mankind and it eats at them.






Ain't it the truth.

PS...it's probably because of people like me......I AM arrogant.
Link Posted: 3/24/2006 8:06:08 PM EDT
If your country sucked you would want to focus globally also.

Link Posted: 3/24/2006 8:09:32 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/24/2006 8:11:40 PM EDT by m4hk33]
jellousy, think about it in a sport sense,

before the patriots won a few super bowls, nobody hated them,
when the Miami Huricans were losing no body hated them
when the yankees are doing well everybody cheers against them
when Notre dame was fighting to produce 500 seasons nobody cared

take notre dame for example, even though, they recruit kids who can spell words more complex then their names, speek english opposed to ebonics, manage to not have any players arrested for rape, robbery or assualt, and graduate most of their athelets, everybody hates them,

so even though they are exactly doing what a university is supposed to be doing, their past success still drives people to hate them even though they havent done anything significant recently

Same thing with the USA

so basically F' EM they are onot going to like us regardless of what we do, so the next time a foriegner has anything negitive to say about the US, say well your here now, and if its soo bad, take your ass back home to your motherland

Link Posted: 3/24/2006 8:10:49 PM EDT

Originally Posted By m4hk33:
jellousy, think about it in a sport sense,

befor the patriots won a few super bowls, nobody hated them,
when the Miami Huricans were losing no body hated them
when the yankees are doing well everybody cheers against them
when Notre dame was fighting to produce 500 seasons nobody cared

take notre dame for example, even though, they recruit kids who can spell words more complex then there names, speek english opposed to ebonics, manage to not have any players arrested for rape, robbery or assualt, and graduate most of their athelets, everybody hates them,

so even though they are exactly doing what a university is supposed to be doing, their past success still drives people to hate them even though they havent done anything significant recently

Same thing with the USA

so basically F' EM they are onot going to like us regardless of what we do, so the next time a foriegner has anything negitive to say about the US, say well your here now, and if its soo bad, take your ass back home to your motherland




Why do you hate grammar?
Link Posted: 3/24/2006 8:10:54 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/24/2006 8:15:15 PM EDT by raven]
Because we're so much better than them and both of us know it

Back in high school like 15 years ago, the many Spanish kids wh went to school with us (their parents were stationed in Anchorage) called Americans arrogant too. They also said we weren't as great today as we used to be and our best days were behind us. This was back around 1990-1991 when the Japanese were kicking ass and the US had a mild recession.

Link Posted: 3/24/2006 8:12:01 PM EDT
Who cares what smelly foreigners think?
Link Posted: 3/24/2006 8:13:11 PM EDT

Arrogant - exaggerating or disposed to exaggerate one's own worth or importance in an overbearing manner


Its hard to exaggerate ones own worth when you have the largest and most sucessfull economy in the world, help the most people with foreign aid then any other country, own the world in music, movies, and MP3 players.

Its like Bill Gates acting like he is the rishest guy in the world, oh wait he is..................
Link Posted: 3/24/2006 8:13:28 PM EDT
She also said "People are always looking straight at you".

Again, I don't know what this means. She would not elaborate.
Link Posted: 3/24/2006 8:13:38 PM EDT

Originally Posted By AyeGuy:
So I was chatting up this chick in one of my college classes and it turns out she is from South Africa. I asked her what she thought about Americans, and she was vague and hesitant. My friend tried to get her to say what she really meant, and when he suggested "arrogant" she immediately agreed. When out of curiosity I tried to get her to elaborate, I could not get anything specific about why she thought this way; I think she was trying to avoid the issue for fear of offending us.

So, what is it with this charge of "arrogance"? I have heard this time and time again by foreigners when describing Americans. I'm not sure what it means. If we are arrogant (implying they of course are not), what does that make THEM? Is meekness and reticence more valued in other cultutres than confidence and assertivness?



Tell her to go back back to South Africa where life is so much better without all of us arrogant Americans around. They are sooooo pissed off that their countrys suck.
Link Posted: 3/24/2006 8:13:47 PM EDT
I don't know, i am just a horrible typer. I slaughter everything I type. it takes hours to proof my papers for class.
Link Posted: 3/24/2006 8:14:25 PM EDT

Originally Posted By AyeGuy:
So I was chatting up this chick in one of my college classes and it turns out she is from South Africa. I asked her what she thought about Americans, and she was vague and hesitant. My friend tried to get her to say what she really meant, and when he suggested "arrogant" she immediately agreed. When out of curiosity I tried to get her to elaborate, I could not get anything specific about why she thought this way; I think she was trying to avoid the issue for fear of offending us.

So, what is it with this charge of "arrogance"? I have heard this time and time again by foreigners when describing Americans. I'm not sure what it means. If we are arrogant (implying they of course are not), what does that make THEM? Is meekness and reticence more valued in other cultutres than confidence and assertivness?



Tell her to go back back to South Africa where life is so much better without all of us arrogant Americans around. They are sooooo pissed off that their countrys suck.
Link Posted: 3/24/2006 8:15:20 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/24/2006 8:24:34 PM EDT by Da_Bunny]
You hang out in GD and can't see it?


Inferiority complex.

Because we're better than them.

Saving their asses in two world wars has a tendency to make them feel a little insignificunt in comparison.

Because we use soap. I guess our smell (or lack of) reminds them of how primitive they still are.

We ARE arrogant

Who gives a shit about some third world foreigner?


Because the "world" falls into two catagories


A. We kicked your @ss
B. We kicked the @ss of the dudes that kicked your @ss.


Envy. We live better and are more generous than any other country in the history of mankind and it eats at them.

It ain't braggin if you can do it.

because we are that fucking good! Seriously we can fuck up any country in a matter of days.

I don't know why, nor do I really care.

If your country sucked you would want to focus globally also.

jellousy, think about it in a sport sense <---- ironic, ain't it?

Because we're so much better than them and both of us know it

Who cares what smelly foreigners think?

Tell her to go back back to South Africa where life is so much better without all of us arrogant Americans around. They are sooooo pissed off that their countrys suck.

what do they know? they foreigners and dont know as much as us americans



It might all be true, but it isn't humility.

Link Posted: 3/24/2006 8:15:53 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/24/2006 8:16:30 PM EDT by DigDug]

Originally Posted By AyeGuy:
She also said "People are always looking straight at you".

Again, I don't know what this means. She would not elaborate.



In a lot of places, people don't look others directly in the eye when walking the street or even when conversing. It's a cultural thing. Walk down the street in Manhattan sometime and you will see the same thing.
Link Posted: 3/24/2006 8:16:06 PM EDT
what do they know? they foreigners and dont know as much as us americans
Link Posted: 3/24/2006 8:18:42 PM EDT

Originally Posted By NDT3:

Originally Posted By AyeGuy:
So I was chatting up this chick in one of my college classes and it turns out she is from South Africa. I asked her what she thought about Americans, and she was vague and hesitant. My friend tried to get her to say what she really meant, and when he suggested "arrogant" she immediately agreed. When out of curiosity I tried to get her to elaborate, I could not get anything specific about why she thought this way; I think she was trying to avoid the issue for fear of offending us.

So, what is it with this charge of "arrogance"? I have heard this time and time again by foreigners when describing Americans. I'm not sure what it means. If we are arrogant (implying they of course are not), what does that make THEM? Is meekness and reticence more valued in other cultutres than confidence and assertivness?



Tell her to go back back to South Africa where life is so much better without all of us arrogant Americans around. They are sooooo pissed off that their countrys suck.



I had a crush on a South African exchange student in high school. At a dance we were all chatting, and of course Apartheid came up. Ever the contrarian and wanting to score points with her, I said Apartheid was cool

Everyone basically walked away from me liked I farted really badly. In a way I did.
Link Posted: 3/24/2006 8:19:19 PM EDT

Originally Posted By raven:
Because we're so much better than them and both of us know it

Back in high school like 15 years ago, the many Spanish kids wh went to school with us (their parents were stationed in Anchorage) called Americans arrogant too. They also said we weren't as great today as we used to be and our best days were behind us. This was back around 1990-1991 when the Japanese were kicking ass and the US had a mild recession.




That is another thing I've noticed, paying attention to foreign media. They really, really want to believe that we are not that powerful anymore. They want us to fail at everything. Some of the BBC coverage of the Iraq conflict is particularly egregious; they seem to relish video of injured or dead US military personnel
Link Posted: 3/24/2006 8:19:44 PM EDT

Originally Posted By AyeGuy:
She also said "People are always looking straight at you".

Again, I don't know what this means. She would not elaborate.



As far as "looking straight at you", I think it depends how stacked she is and how tall you are.

BTW, she have any connections on battle packs?
Link Posted: 3/24/2006 8:22:14 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Da_Bunny:
You hang out in GD and can't see it?



She said "arrogant", not "arrogant assholes"
Link Posted: 3/24/2006 8:25:50 PM EDT
They hate us for our spelling prowess.
Link Posted: 3/24/2006 8:27:12 PM EDT
Foreigners are just jealous and don't know any better.
Link Posted: 3/24/2006 8:32:32 PM EDT

Originally Posted By dolanp:
Basically, the average American has no idea what happens outside of the US news (which is entirely US-centric). Whereas other countries tend to focus more globally. This is a generalization of course, but that's more or less what people see. People of other countries interpret this as arrogrance when it's more like ignorance.



True. Our world is mch nicer and fulfilling than theirs. We dont need to look outside. As far as them focussing globally? Why stare at ones toilet full of turds when the view outside the window is more appealing.
Link Posted: 3/24/2006 8:32:41 PM EDT
If you saw the way some Americans behave when they are in some other country, you might understand.
Link Posted: 3/24/2006 8:34:06 PM EDT
No, i think everyone else is pussys
Link Posted: 3/24/2006 8:39:19 PM EDT

Originally Posted By mejames:
If you saw the way some Americans behave when they are in some other country, you might understand.



If we act so poorly whydo they want to live here? I would never want to live somewhere where the people are arrogant.
Link Posted: 3/24/2006 8:41:22 PM EDT
Arrogant is not does not equate to self confidaence, doing abetter job, being independent, or if we can kick someones ass....


ar·ro·gant ( P ) Pronunciation Key (r-gnt)
adj.
Having or displaying a sense of overbearing self-worth or self-importance. Overbearing self-pride.
Marked by or arising from a feeling or assumption of one's superiority toward others: an arrogant contempt for the weak.


These are not in any way a good quality to have.

You can have pride in doing a good job, standing for what is right in the world, have self confidence, be happy you have indoor plumbing, etc.

From this thread it exemplifies that most Americans don't know the differance. Many of us where raised to have good self esteem reguardless of weather we earned the right to be proud of what we have done. This "self-esteem" to many comes across as arrogance and rightfully so.
Link Posted: 3/24/2006 8:50:10 PM EDT
Before you read this please note: I am pro-American and am just trying to explain the attitudes of others. This post is for educational purposes only!


Originally Posted By dolanp:
Basically, the average American has no idea what happens outside of the US news (which is entirely US-centric). Whereas other countries tend to focus more globally. This is a generalization of course, but that's more or less what people see. People of other countries interpret this as arrogrance when it's more like ignorance.



That's part of it, so is overbearing self confidence, and so is jelousy. The US absorbs alot of the world's resources, is amazingly rich, and unchallengably powerful. That breeds resentment, especially if you are on the wrong end of that power and wealth. Sometimes all some parts of the world see of America are rapacious companies or occupying troops. US companies prop up tin pot oppressive dictators, strip natural resources from local tribes without just compensation and a whole bunch of other nasty things. However, so do other country's companies.

So essentially:
1) The US is the biggest, most successful target
2) The average American is ignorant of the outside world. I could say the same about the average Australian too, for the same reasons.
3) The US is the wealthiest and most powerful nation on Earth. See point 1
4) The US uses that power and wealth in its own self interest, often to the detriment of other peoples
5) The US absorbs a large percentage of the world's resources, pollutes the most and is perceived to be getting rich off the backs of other nations
6) The US props up (or is blamed for propping up) tin-pot third world dictators to serve its own ends, then waxes lyrical about democracy and human rights
7) Whilst other nations do this stuff too, the US is the most obvious perpetrator (see point 1)

Alot of the above is unfair, misdirected, envious, etc. Alot is justified. It all depends on the circumstances. Loud, boorish American tourists and ex-pats don't help matters (see point 2). If Botswana was the biggest nation on the block, the same complaints would be leveled against them. The rich and powerful often act in ways that upset and damage the less rich & powerful out of both selfish and unselfish motives. The less rich & powerful resent the power and wealth of others. There's fault on both sides.
Link Posted: 3/24/2006 8:52:03 PM EDT

Originally Posted By SWS:
We ARE arrogant.





....and THANK GOD ALMIGHTY for that!


Link Posted: 3/24/2006 8:53:27 PM EDT
I thought China had mooved ahead as the worlds largest polluter.
Link Posted: 3/24/2006 8:56:24 PM EDT

Originally Posted By yekimak:
They hate us for our spelling prowess.




+1

Foreigners hate when Americans type "+1".
Link Posted: 3/24/2006 8:56:34 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/24/2006 8:59:45 PM EDT by raven]

Originally Posted By Lert:
Before you read this please note: I am pro-American and am just trying to explain the attitudes of others. This post is for educational purposes only!


Originally Posted By dolanp:
Basically, the average American has no idea what happens outside of the US news (which is entirely US-centric). Whereas other countries tend to focus more globally. This is a generalization of course, but that's more or less what people see. People of other countries interpret this as arrogrance when it's more like ignorance.



That's part of it, so is overbearing self confidence, and so is jelousy. The US absorbs alot of the world's resources, is amazingly rich, and unchallengably powerful. That breeds resentment, especially if you are on the wrong end of that power and wealth. Sometimes all some parts of the world see of America are rapacious companies or occupying troops. US companies prop up tin pot oppressive dictators, strip natural resources from local tribes without just compensation and a whole bunch of other nasty things. However, so do other country's companies.

So essentially:
1) The US is the biggest, most successful target
2) The average American is ignorant of the outside world. I could say the same about the average Australian too, for the same reasons.
3) The US is the wealthiest and most powerful nation on Earth. See point 1
4) The US uses that power and wealth in its own self interest, often to the detriment of other peoples
5) The US absorbs a large percentage of the world's resources, pollutes the most and is perceived to be getting rich off the backs of other nations
6) The US props up (or is blamed for propping up) tin-pot third world dictators to serve its own ends, then waxes lyrical about democracy and human rights
7) Whilst other nations do this stuff too, the US is the most obvious perpetrator (see point 1)

Alot of the above is unfair, misdirected, envious, etc. Alot is justified. It all depends on the circumstances. Loud, boorish American tourists and ex-pats don't help matters (see point 2). If Botswana was the biggest nation on the block, the same complaints would be leveled against them. The rich and powerful often act in ways that upset and damage the less rich & powerful out of both selfish and unselfish motives. The less rich & powerful resent the power and wealth of others. There's fault on both sides.



I think everything you said was completely fair, valid, and true.

About the resource use, though, something should be realized. A real cheap point is made that even thought there are 300m Americans (5% ofthe global population), we consume 25% of the resources, at least.

No consideration is made of what we do with those resources. We're very efficient and productive with them.


As for propping up amenable dictators, we get a lot more crap for getting rid of easily accomodated a-holes like Saddam!
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