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Posted: 3/23/2006 3:15:58 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/23/2006 3:17:22 PM EDT by tReznr]
On Tuesday I used isohunt.com to find a torrent for Sunday's episode of The Sopranos. On Wednesday I got the following email entitled "Notice of Claim of Copyright Infringement":


Notice of Action under the Digital Millennium Copyright Act

Abuse Incident Number: NA0000001172227
Report Date/Time: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 22:29:58 -0500


tReznr
xxx xxxx xxxxx EDITED OUT BY ME
BEAUFORT, SC 29906

Dear Comcast High-Speed Internet Subscriber:

Comcast has received a notification of claimed infringement made under the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (the 'DMCA'). This notification, made by a copyright owner or its authorized agent, reports an alleged infringement of one or more copyrighted works made on or over Comcast's High-Speed Internet service (the 'Service'). The works identified in the notification of claimed infringement are listed below. In accordance with the DMCA and Comcast's Acceptable Use Policy, Comcast request that you immediately remove the allegedly infringing works from the Service or Comcast will be forced to remove or block access to the works.

If you believe in good faith that the allegedly infringing works have been removed or blocked by mistake or misidentification, then you may send a counter notification to Comcast. Upon Comcast's receipt of a counter notification that satisfies the requirements of the DMCA, Comcast will provide a copy of the counter notification to the party who sent the original notification of claimed infringement. We will then follow the DMCA's procedures with respect to a received counter notification.

For more information regarding Comcast's copyright infringement policy, procedures, and contact information, please read our Acceptable Use Policy by clicking on the Terms of Service link at http://www.comcast.net.

Sincerely,
Comcast Network Abuse and Observance Team

Copyright work(s) identified in the notification of claimed infringement:

Infringing Work: Sopranos, The

Filepath: The.Sopranos.S06E02.HDTV.XviD-LOL.avi.torrent
Filename: The.Sopranos.S06E02.HDTV.XviD-LOL.avi
First Found: 21 Mar 2006 00:43:44 EST (GMT -0500)
Last Found: 21 Mar 2006 00:43:44 EST (GMT -0500)
Filesize: 358,688k
IP Address: XX.XX.XXX.XX EDITED OUT BY ME
IP Port: 24036
Network: BTPeers
Protocol: BitTorrent



Like I said, I initially used isohunt to find the torrent and used bit-torrent to download the file. It was downloading very slow so I ended the torrent and switched over to azureus to download.

So how did comcast get involved with all of this?
Link Posted: 3/23/2006 3:17:08 PM EDT
Quick! Hide your dog. They're comming!
Link Posted: 3/23/2006 3:17:22 PM EDT
I'm in trouble if Insight ever finds out.
Link Posted: 3/23/2006 3:17:49 PM EDT


Quickly, look out the window, is there a delivery van, loaded with antenna's, that's been there for a few days
Link Posted: 3/23/2006 3:19:08 PM EDT
They know what your downloading.
Link Posted: 3/23/2006 3:19:35 PM EDT
yah what i cant figure out is why the morons who create these torrents use the real friggin name... ITS THE ONLY WAY THEY CAN TELL WHAT THE FILE IS
Link Posted: 3/23/2006 3:20:04 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/23/2006 3:23:01 PM EDT by Mauser101]
It had nothing to do with Isohunt (they don't host the trackers, it's just a search tool) and switching between azereus, utorrent or bittorrent doesn't matter either.

I'm thinking the original tracker you connected to was hosted as bait.

Comcast probably got involved by being subpoenaed and sued long ago to release the info and either lost the lawsuit or gave in and offered up its user base.
Link Posted: 3/23/2006 3:23:46 PM EDT
On this thread someone mentions PeerGuardian as a way of covering your tracks from that type of thing..I've never tried it so I can't vouch for it

www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=448336
Link Posted: 3/23/2006 3:23:47 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Mauser101:
It had nothing to do with Isohunt (they don't host the trackers, it's just a search tool) and switching between azereus, utorrent or bittorrent doesn't matter either.

I'm thinking the original tracker you connected to was hosted as bait.

Comcast probably got involved by being subpoenaed and sued long ago to release the info and either lost the lawsuit or gave in and offered up its user base.



That has to be it, there is no other way.
Link Posted: 3/23/2006 3:25:00 PM EDT

Originally Posted By VoodooChile:
On this thread someone mentions PeerGuardian as a way of covering your tracks from that type of thing..I've never tried it so I can't vouch for it

www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=448336



I don't think peerguardian would block this. If the tracker is recording IPs and saving them to a list, then the ISP is being subpoenaed to find out who owns that ISP, having peerguardian wont do anything.
Link Posted: 3/23/2006 3:28:46 PM EDT

Originally Posted By VoodooChile:
On this thread someone mentions PeerGuardian as a way of covering your tracks from that type of thing..I've never tried it so I can't vouch for it

www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=448336




I use PeerGuardian2 Works fine for me, blocks like 600k government IPs, also blocks some spyware and such, I know people who use it and dont even DL stuff.

I would be a bit annoyed if my ISP was watching me, swap to someone else.
Link Posted: 3/23/2006 3:32:09 PM EDT
Tell them that if they don't stop harrassing you, you will tell the world that Comcast monitors your every move. Then tell them to fk themselves and eat horse feces.
Link Posted: 3/23/2006 3:32:22 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/23/2006 3:33:12 PM EDT by Bunnyassassin]
Sooooooooo tagged.....

edit: AOL "Viewpoint"...... Do I hear an "Amen!"
Link Posted: 3/23/2006 3:32:59 PM EDT
Tell them that you got rid of the file or never finished downloading it, and that you had no intention of sharing it.

Get it resolved, then switch ISPs.
Link Posted: 3/23/2006 3:33:13 PM EDT
double tap tag
Link Posted: 3/23/2006 3:33:32 PM EDT

Originally Posted By blacklisted:

Originally Posted By Mauser101:
It had nothing to do with Isohunt (they don't host the trackers, it's just a search tool) and switching between azereus, utorrent or bittorrent doesn't matter either.

I'm thinking the original tracker you connected to was hosted as bait.

Comcast probably got involved by being subpoenaed and sued long ago to release the info and either lost the lawsuit or gave in and offered up its user base.



That has to be it, there is no other way.



Well they don't usually even go so far as to subpoena it because they don't have to. They just look who owns the network block and then send a cease and desist to the abuse contact for that domain. I don't want to flat out say 'nothing will happen' but more than likely it's just a useless scare tactic, they do it hundreds (or thousands) of times per day.
Link Posted: 3/23/2006 3:33:51 PM EDT
Link Posted: 3/23/2006 3:35:11 PM EDT

Originally Posted By dolanp:

Originally Posted By blacklisted:

Originally Posted By Mauser101:
It had nothing to do with Isohunt (they don't host the trackers, it's just a search tool) and switching between azereus, utorrent or bittorrent doesn't matter either.

I'm thinking the original tracker you connected to was hosted as bait.

Comcast probably got involved by being subpoenaed and sued long ago to release the info and either lost the lawsuit or gave in and offered up its user base.



That has to be it, there is no other way.



Well they don't usually even go so far as to subpoena it because they don't have to. They just look who owns the network block and then send a cease and desist to the abuse contact for that domain. I don't want to flat out say 'nothing will happen' but more than likely it's just a useless scare tactic, they do it hundreds (or thousands) of times per day.



Yeah, I always thought that they saved the Subpoenas for the big file sharing operators (people sharing tons of these movies, albums, etc). If it was a real subpoena, he would probably get a letter in the mail from an attorney.
Link Posted: 3/23/2006 3:37:52 PM EDT
Link Posted: 3/23/2006 3:40:01 PM EDT

Originally Posted By tReznr:
On Tuesday I used isohunt.com to find a torrent for Sunday's episode of The Sopranos. On Wednesday I got the following email entitled "Notice of Claim of Copyright Infringement":


Notice of Action under the Digital Millennium Copyright Act

Abuse Incident Number: NA0000001172227
Report Date/Time: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 22:29:58 -0500


tReznr
xxx xxxx xxxxx EDITED OUT BY ME
BEAUFORT, SC 29906

Dear Comcast High-Speed Internet Subscriber:

Comcast has received a notification of claimed infringement made under the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (the 'DMCA'). This notification, made by a copyright owner or its authorized agent, reports an alleged infringement of one or more copyrighted works made on or over Comcast's High-Speed Internet service (the 'Service'). The works identified in the notification of claimed infringement are listed below. In accordance with the DMCA and Comcast's Acceptable Use Policy, Comcast request that you immediately remove the allegedly infringing works from the Service or Comcast will be forced to remove or block access to the works.

If you believe in good faith that the allegedly infringing works have been removed or blocked by mistake or misidentification, then you may send a counter notification to Comcast. Upon Comcast's receipt of a counter notification that satisfies the requirements of the DMCA, Comcast will provide a copy of the counter notification to the party who sent the original notification of claimed infringement. We will then follow the DMCA's procedures with respect to a received counter notification.

For more information regarding Comcast's copyright infringement policy, procedures, and contact information, please read our Acceptable Use Policy by clicking on the Terms of Service link at http://www.comcast.net.

Sincerely,
Comcast Network Abuse and Observance Team

Copyright work(s) identified in the notification of claimed infringement:

Infringing Work: Sopranos, The

Filepath: The.Sopranos.S06E02.HDTV.XviD-LOL.avi.torrent
Filename: The.Sopranos.S06E02.HDTV.XviD-LOL.avi
First Found: 21 Mar 2006 00:43:44 EST (GMT -0500)
Last Found: 21 Mar 2006 00:43:44 EST (GMT -0500)
Filesize: 358,688k
IP Address: XX.XX.XXX.XX EDITED OUT BY ME
IP Port: 24036
Network: BTPeers
Protocol: BitTorrent



Like I said, I initially used isohunt to find the torrent and used bit-torrent to download the file. It was downloading very slow so I ended the torrent and switched over to azureus to download.

So how did comcast get involved with all of this?



Usually the DMCA letter predicates the lawsuit by about 5 days…

I would suggest speaking to a lawyer about hiding assets at this point. I would also suggest loaning your computers to a friend for the next month or so.
Link Posted: 3/23/2006 3:40:31 PM EDT

Originally Posted By cmjohnson:
Why don't you try obeying the law for a change?

Torrenting copyrighted works is simply stating to the world "I'm a spoiled brat who thinks my right to watch some show supersedes the law!"


It's not worth it. Grow up.


CJ



+1 well said and expected from you (cmj)
Link Posted: 3/23/2006 3:42:11 PM EDT

Originally Posted By tReznr:


So how did comcast get involved with all of this?



I have to handle this shit at work. The complaints we get is usally from www.baytsp.com which seems to be some kind of contractor for various movie / tv-show companies in addition to Universal which seems to be running their own pirate-busting-department.
Link Posted: 3/23/2006 3:43:06 PM EDT

Originally Posted By cmjohnson:
Why don't you try obeying the law for a change?



Yeah, because the law is ALWAYS right....
Link Posted: 3/23/2006 3:45:47 PM EDT
Link Posted: 3/23/2006 3:47:15 PM EDT
Link Posted: 3/23/2006 3:47:17 PM EDT

Originally Posted By cmjohnson:
To quote Jim Carrey in "Liar, Liar" in the scene where one of his regular customers has called him because he's in jail YET AGAIN and is asking for advice,

QUIT BREAKING THE LAW, ASSHOLE!

www.jimcarreyonline.com/images/albums/movies/liarliar/stills/liarliar-still25.jpg



I can't believe I actually found that pic!


CJ



Because the law is ALWAYS right, right?
Link Posted: 3/23/2006 3:48:00 PM EDT
has a single one of these even gone to court period? all i have heard of extortion settlements...
Link Posted: 3/23/2006 3:48:18 PM EDT

Originally Posted By blacklisted:

Originally Posted By dolanp:

Originally Posted By blacklisted:

Originally Posted By Mauser101:
It had nothing to do with Isohunt (they don't host the trackers, it's just a search tool) and switching between azereus, utorrent or bittorrent doesn't matter either.

I'm thinking the original tracker you connected to was hosted as bait.

Comcast probably got involved by being subpoenaed and sued long ago to release the info and either lost the lawsuit or gave in and offered up its user base.



That has to be it, there is no other way.



Well they don't usually even go so far as to subpoena it because they don't have to. They just look who owns the network block and then send a cease and desist to the abuse contact for that domain. I don't want to flat out say 'nothing will happen' but more than likely it's just a useless scare tactic, they do it hundreds (or thousands) of times per day.



Yeah, I always thought that they saved the Subpoenas for the big file sharing operators (people sharing tons of these movies, albums, etc). If it was a real subpoena, he would probably get a letter in the mail from an attorney.



You're probably right dolanp & blacklisted. I was trying to think of the right term and came up with the wrong one.
Link Posted: 3/23/2006 3:49:04 PM EDT

Originally Posted By cmjohnson:

Originally Posted By RikWriter:

Originally Posted By cmjohnson:
Why don't you try obeying the law for a change?



Yeah, because the law is ALWAYS right....




Being right in your mind and being in jail for it is STILL being in jail and in trouble.


"Stupid is as stupid does. "

Do I need to bust out a Forrest Gump pic now?


CJ



If it's an acceptable substitute for actually coming up with an argument, sure...
Link Posted: 3/23/2006 3:49:15 PM EDT

Originally Posted By cmjohnson:
Being right in your mind and being in jail for it is STILL being in jail and in trouble.



Well in this case you get sued for a few grand.
Link Posted: 3/23/2006 3:50:16 PM EDT
Does anyone here think it's right to steal? I don't think so.

Pay your $9.99 a month for the HBO upgrade and stop pirating.
Link Posted: 3/23/2006 3:51:40 PM EDT

Originally Posted By cmjohnson:
Why don't you try obeying the law for a change?

Torrenting copyrighted works is simply stating to the world "I'm a spoiled brat who thinks my right to watch some show supersedes the law!"


It's not worth it. Grow up.


CJ



Honest question from someone who is not a lawyer: Why is downloading a torrent for personal use illegal but making a copy at home using a VCR or TIVO for personal use legal?
Link Posted: 3/23/2006 3:54:14 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/23/2006 4:00:58 PM EDT by Mauser101]

Originally Posted By jkstexas2001:

Originally Posted By cmjohnson:
Why don't you try obeying the law for a change?

Torrenting copyrighted works is simply stating to the world "I'm a spoiled brat who thinks my right to watch some show supersedes the law!"


It's not worth it. Grow up.


CJ



Honest question from someone who is not a lawyer: Why is downloading a torrent for personal use illegal but making a copy at home using a VCR or TIVO for personal use legal?



My understranding is that the studios are trying to use the same argument they used to try to make VCRs illegal way back in the day. The commericals are payment for the program and if you're not watching those you're not entitled to the exchange. Course it failed with the VCR argument. Usually the torrents have the commercials edited out.

EDIT: I don't watch the Soprannos so I wouldn't know, but if perchance season 6 is released on DVD already you might want to go out and buy it to help in the defense. Similar to the idea that it's legal to make copies of music CDs if they are CDs you own and are making backups of them. I do just that for my car CD changer as I don't want the overpriced pieces of plastic and mylar to be stolen.

EDIT2: That or you could format your hard drive and chuck it in a lake.
Link Posted: 3/23/2006 3:54:57 PM EDT
Play this safe.

Format C: and reinstall everything. It may help.
Link Posted: 3/23/2006 3:55:47 PM EDT

Originally Posted By jkstexas2001:
Honest question from someone who is not a lawyer: Why is downloading a torrent for personal use illegal but making a copy at home using a VCR or TIVO for personal use legal?



Hollywood has a powerful lobby and they convinced congress to pass the DMCA. The same lobbies were initially very worried about VCRs and Radios and such back in the day. They do not embrace new technology very quickly.
Link Posted: 3/23/2006 3:56:02 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Phil_A_Steen:
Does anyone here think it's right to steal? I don't think so.

Pay your $9.99 a month for the HBO upgrade and stop pirating.



Meh, cable costs run around $80 a month here.

I just have a frind tivo the whole season and then watch it during a weekend of binge drinking and BBQ.

The other thing you can do is buy whole season bootlegs off of ebay for next to nothing. (Wonder if they will ever get around to taking ebay to court for distributing bad IP (Like they did napster))
Link Posted: 3/23/2006 3:58:36 PM EDT

Originally Posted By cmjohnson:
Why don't you try obeying the law for a change?

Torrenting copyrighted works is simply stating to the world "I'm a spoiled brat who thinks my right to watch some show supersedes the law!"


It's not worth it. Grow up.


CJ



So what if my friend recorded the show on VHS or TIVO so we could watch it together this weekend? Is it any different? Would you still tell me to grow up?
Link Posted: 3/23/2006 4:05:50 PM EDT
Just blame wardrivers
Link Posted: 3/23/2006 4:05:50 PM EDT
Well if I where in your situation I'd borrow a friends Hard Drive that hasnt ever Dled anything.... If they cant find anything on your computer they cant sue you.
Link Posted: 3/23/2006 4:06:04 PM EDT
im a senior engineer for a WAN provider. i got an email from the HBO legal department that states one of our customer on a static IP we sell them used bit torrent to download the sopranos. they demanded we shut down their port. HAHAHAHA im not talking about shutting off someones DSL. they expected me to shut down and OC-3 to a huge bank that NATs our public side ip to feed 3 downtown office buildings. i could not think of a polite way to say "suck my balls" so i didnt respond and fwd the mail to our legal dept.
Link Posted: 3/23/2006 4:10:13 PM EDT

Originally Posted By tReznr:
On Tuesday I used isohunt.com to find a torrent for Sunday's episode of The Sopranos. On Wednesday I got the following email entitled "Notice of Claim of Copyright Infringement":

Like I said, I initially used isohunt to find the torrent and used bit-torrent to download the file. It was downloading very slow so I ended the torrent and switched over to azureus to download.

So how did comcast get involved with all of this?


Look closely at the message: they're saying that you're offering it, not that you downloaded it. As in you have / had it available for upload for others to download. Sure you don't have your torrent still up?

It's also possible this is a new scare tactic by the MPAA. They might have put up the torrent site so you can download it, then your torrent app automatically makes it available to anybody who wants it, so they have you for "file sharing".

Comcast is not monitoring what you do on the internet, if they did they would be sued for wiretapping. Also the MPAA do not go after people for downloading, only uploading.

See if you can get them to clarify if the accusation is that the claim is you are making content available for others to download. I'd be surprised if it was anything but.
Link Posted: 3/23/2006 4:21:40 PM EDT

Originally Posted By blacklisted:

Originally Posted By VoodooChile:
On this thread someone mentions PeerGuardian as a way of covering your tracks from that type of thing..I've never tried it so I can't vouch for it

www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=448336



I don't think peerguardian would block this. If the tracker is recording IPs and saving them to a list, then the ISP is being subpoenaed to find out who owns that ISP, having peerguardian wont do anything.




I don't know about PeerGuardian, but the PeerSafe plugin for Azureus works well for blocking the whiners (before I used it I was gettign several Emails a week from whiners saying I was violating copyright..... they need to pay attention to what fuckign country I am in before they spam me with that shit )
Link Posted: 3/23/2006 4:32:28 PM EDT
I would just delete it and be done with it for now. I would also lay off the filesharing for a while. I received a similar letter about a year ago from comcrap. Nothing ever came of it.
Link Posted: 3/23/2006 4:36:13 PM EDT
Dear COMCAST:

I access the internet by way of a wireless router. I appear to have failed to secure my router properly, and it seems that my router was allowing some neighbor to sign on and steal my internet access. I have reset my router, and configured it to block all wireless access except from my own MAC address. If there was an infringing use, it was not me and I have taken appropriate steps to end the situation. Thank you.

Link Posted: 3/23/2006 4:40:59 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/23/2006 4:42:49 PM EDT by Yankee1911]

Originally Posted By cmjohnson:
To quote Jim Carrey in "Liar, Liar" in the scene where one of his regular customers has called him because he's in jail YET AGAIN and is asking for advice,

QUIT BREAKING THE LAW, ASSHOLE!

www.jimcarreyonline.com/images/albums/movies/liarliar/stills/liarliar-still25.jpg



I can't believe I actually found that pic!


CJ



I wonder what jimcarreyonline.com thinks of you stealing their bandwidth and content?
ETA: content
Link Posted: 3/23/2006 4:42:50 PM EDT

Originally Posted By GonzoAR15-1:
I access the internet by way of a wireless router.


I like the way you think...

HOWEVER, routers of any type (wireless or wired) are not "supported" by most cable companies. Therefore, they can still say tough titties, cut you for breach of AUP, and turn your ass over to the MPAA.
Link Posted: 3/23/2006 4:44:34 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/23/2006 4:45:08 PM EDT by VoodooChile]

Originally Posted By Yankee1911:

Originally Posted By cmjohnson:
To quote Jim Carrey in "Liar, Liar" in the scene where one of his regular customers has called him because he's in jail YET AGAIN and is asking for advice,

QUIT BREAKING THE LAW, ASSHOLE!

www.jimcarreyonline.com/images/albums/movies/liarliar/stills/liarliar-still25.jpg



I can't believe I actually found that pic!

CJ



I wonder what jimcarreyonline.com thinks of you stealing their bandwidth and content?
ETA: content



Oh Damn!!
Link Posted: 3/23/2006 4:44:39 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/23/2006 4:45:45 PM EDT by TheCynic]

Originally Posted By Yankee1911:

Originally Posted By cmjohnson:
www.jimcarreyonline.com/images/albums/movies/liarliar/stills/liarliar-still25.jpg


I wonder what jimcarreyonline.com thinks of you stealing their bandwidth and content?


Beat me too it...well played!

PWNED!

Link Posted: 3/23/2006 4:46:41 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Yankee1911:

Originally Posted By cmjohnson:
To quote Jim Carrey in "Liar, Liar" in the scene where one of his regular customers has called him because he's in jail YET AGAIN and is asking for advice,

QUIT BREAKING THE LAW, ASSHOLE!

www.jimcarreyonline.com/images/albums/movies/liarliar/stills/liarliar-still25.jpg



I can't believe I actually found that pic!


CJ



I wonder what jimcarreyonline.com thinks of you stealing their bandwidth and content?
ETA: content


PWNED HARD!
Link Posted: 3/23/2006 4:48:55 PM EDT

Originally Posted By TheCynic:

Originally Posted By GonzoAR15-1:
I access the internet by way of a wireless router.


I like the way you think...

HOWEVER, routers of any type (wireless or wired) are not "supported" by most cable companies. Therefore, they can still say tough titties, cut you for breach of AUP, and turn your ass over to the MPAA.



Really?

I have COMCAST, and they helped me set up my wireless router.
Link Posted: 3/23/2006 4:51:48 PM EDT
The DMCA is a joke.
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