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Posted: 3/23/2006 7:51:42 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/23/2006 8:53:06 AM EDT by hakim]
WE HAVE CONCEALED CARRY IN KANSAS! JUST PASSED THE HOUSE!
Link Posted: 3/23/2006 7:53:41 AM EDT
Congrats!

Is it veto proof?
Link Posted: 3/23/2006 7:54:42 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Bama-Shooter:
Congrats!

Is it veto proof?



It was vetoed. They got 2/3 to override.

Link Posted: 3/23/2006 7:54:44 AM EDT
Has the veto over-ride passed the Senate as well? I heard about the veto but nothing since. Good job on the house!
Link Posted: 3/23/2006 7:56:16 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/23/2006 7:57:41 AM EDT by Grunteled]

Originally Posted By SWIRE:
Has the veto over-ride passed the Senate as well? I heard about the veto but nothing since. Good job on the house!



Done. The senate already gave the finger to Kathy.


ETA: OUT-FRIGGIN-STANDING!!!!!
Link Posted: 3/23/2006 7:56:31 AM EDT


WOOOOT for you guys. Now get some reciprocity with other states if its not already in the original bill.
Link Posted: 3/23/2006 7:56:34 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/23/2006 7:56:53 AM EDT by happycynic]

Originally Posted By SWIRE:
Has the veto over-ride passed the Senate as well? I heard about the veto but nothing since. Good job on the house!



I checked the NRA this morning. It had already passed the Senate and was awaiting the House. Now, if Nebraska can get it and both states can get reciprocity with Texas, I can finally carry on my trips to Omaha, as God and the Founders intended.

Link Posted: 3/23/2006 7:56:56 AM EDT
*passed*

Congrats!
Link Posted: 3/23/2006 7:57:28 AM EDT

Originally Posted By SWIRE:
Has the veto over-ride passed the Senate as well? I heard about the veto but nothing since. Good job on the house!



Isn't Kansas Unicameral? They don't have a senate.


BTW thank your rep!!!!!!!!!!!!
Link Posted: 3/23/2006 7:58:23 AM EDT
Another one down!
Link Posted: 3/23/2006 7:58:59 AM EDT
Congrats to KS!!!

Link Posted: 3/23/2006 7:59:30 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/23/2006 10:24:34 AM EDT by fight4yourrights]
Originally Posted By hakim:


WE HAVE CONCEALED CARRY IN KANSAS! JUST PAST PASSED THE HOUSE!


- Spelling Nazi
Link Posted: 3/23/2006 8:00:21 AM EDT

Originally Posted By DanishM1Garand:

Originally Posted By SWIRE:
Has the veto over-ride passed the Senate as well? I heard about the veto but nothing since. Good job on the house!



Isn't Kansas Unicameral? They don't have a senate.


BTW thank your rep!!!!!!!!!!!!



Your thinking of Nebraska. They are the odd man out with the unicameral.
Link Posted: 3/23/2006 8:06:47 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/23/2006 8:07:41 AM EDT by Gravitas1]
Well shit. We're happy to welcome Kansas to the club. NOW all you gotta do is get rid of your commie governor and stop saying woot.
Link Posted: 3/23/2006 8:08:56 AM EDT
Congrats!

Now I will end my personal boycott of Kansas and visit my brother in Missouri!
Link Posted: 3/23/2006 8:09:00 AM EDT
I was surprised by the news station this morning. They just summerized the Brady Bunch argument and gave air time to a local gun shop owner talking about it's lack of danger in causing streets to flow with blood. They even used the phrase "only one of four states to have no process to allow concealed carry".

When we were getting ours I had to listen to the term "hidden guns" over and over and hear that fuck-head Alvan Brooks talk about how he was going to fight this safty issue all the way to the Supreme Court if he had to. Our side was the one given the 'summerized' statement.

Kinda wierd.
Link Posted: 3/23/2006 8:09:10 AM EDT

Originally Posted By fight4yourrights:
Originally Posted By hakim:


WE HAVE CONCEALED CARRY IN KANSAS! JUST PAST PASSED THE HOUSE!


- Spelling Nazi


Dude, how do you know he didn't mean what he wrote? Maybe he is just happy that he can carry conceals in his front yard now.
Link Posted: 3/23/2006 8:10:50 AM EDT
Well, Hakim apparently lives in Kansas so I'm going to take his word for it.

This is EXCELLENT news as one of my favorite states just opened back up as a potential place to live someday! I used to live in Kansas and would now move back in a heartbeat if I could find a job there.
Link Posted: 3/23/2006 8:16:11 AM EDT
Man, now your state is going to go down a grad or to in the Brady Campaign's list...

Looks like there well be a downgrade from an overall C+, and your CCH will take a nosedive from an A+....

How can you be so happy when your grades are suffering?

Link Posted: 3/23/2006 8:19:23 AM EDT
Congratulations. Anyone have the text of the final bill? What type of restrictions did you guys end up with?
Link Posted: 3/23/2006 8:22:17 AM EDT
On to Wisconsin!!!
Link Posted: 3/23/2006 8:24:48 AM EDT
Thank God!!! I can stop being a criminal now!
Link Posted: 3/23/2006 8:25:47 AM EDT
What was the final House vote count?
Link Posted: 3/23/2006 8:27:50 AM EDT
<SouthHoof throws cold water>

A hearty congrats to you Kansans!

You've completed a big step. Get ready for 2 years worth of frivalious court challenges designed only to impede the process. That will be followed by Chief's of Police tossing up road blocks for no good reason.

Keep up the fight for RESTORAL of your rights.
Link Posted: 3/23/2006 8:29:03 AM EDT
39 states and counting. just 11 to go!
Link Posted: 3/23/2006 8:33:03 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/23/2006 8:47:52 AM EDT by clement]
shall issue or may issue?

congrats either way

*edit: looks to be shall issue
Link Posted: 3/23/2006 8:33:28 AM EDT
Congrats, I wish there was hope for Illinois, but we will be the only state with no cc.
Link Posted: 3/23/2006 8:35:35 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/23/2006 8:37:08 AM EDT by Another_Dude]
House expected DID mirror upper chamber action

Here's an article from the Cap-Journal, written before the House override.


By Chris Moon
The Capital-Journal
Buoyed by steady support from Democrats, the Senate on Wednesday voted 30-10 to override Gov. Kathleen Sebelius' veto of a bill that would allow Kansans to carry concealed handguns.

It moved Kansas closer to leaving a pack of four states that don't have a general concealed carry law. Six out of 10 Senate Democrats voted against their Democratic governor.

The House could finalize the deal. It is expected to vote on an override attempt today.

A full override appears a strong possibility.

"It improved my chances. It puts a lot of pressure on the House," said Rep. Candy Ruff, D-Leavenworth, a key supporter of the measure.

The Senate vote also moved the governor closer to history.

No governor during the past decade has seen a veto overridden by the Legislature. The last time it happened was in 1994 when the late Gov. Joan Finney saw nine of her vetoes thrown out.

But even Republicans downplayed the political implications in a year Sebelius is expected to seek re-election.

"It's not about politics. It's not about elections," said Sen. Phil Journey, R-Haysville, the measure's sponsor. "It's about giving Kansans the choice."

Sebelius has vetoed a range of bills during her three years in the state's top office. But she has always been able to garner enough support to sustain them.
The Senate last year voted to override her on a bill that would have changed how the state treasurer's office was funded. But the House couldn't do the same, leaving the veto intact.

Sebelius in 2004 vetoed a concealed carry bill similar to the one on the table now. Again, the House couldn't muster the votes.

Sebelius appeared at ease when asked about the possible override votes earlier Wednesday.

"I need to do what I think is the right thing for the people of Kansas, and I've done that consistently," Sebelius told reporters. "Legislators need to do what they think is best. I'm hopeful the vetoes will be sustained, but if they're not, that's the will of the legislators."

She said she was talking with lawmakers about the veto override attempt.

"Always do," she said.

But Senate Majority Leader Derek Schmidt, R-Independence, said Democrats were what made the override possible. Six out of 10 of them supported the bill the first time it moved through the Senate. Some were expected to drop off to support their governor.

But none did.

"They made the difference," Schmidt said.

Sen. Laura Kelly, D-Topeka, was among them. She said she made a campaign promise to support a "reasonable" concealed carry bill.
"I would never want it to be said that I didn't keep my promise," she said.

She said she had talked to the governor but that Sebelius "has been very good about respecting my position."

"This was a hard vote. Clearly, I'm a Democrat senator having to cast a vote against my Democratic governor," she said.

The key question mark in overriding the veto hung over the Senate.

It takes 27 votes to override a veto in the Senate and 84 in the House. Most recently, the Senate passed the concealed carry bill 30-10. The House vote was 90-33.

Ruff said the measure might lose six votes in the House. But that still would enable a veto override.

The bill would allow Kansans who have clean criminal records to obtain a permit to carry concealed guns. But they wouldn't be able to carry them in certain places, such as government buildings and churches.

Illinois, Nebraska and Wisconsin are the only other states that don't allow at least some residents to carry concealed guns.

In striking down the measure, Sebelius said it wouldn't make Kansans safer.

"Legislators know concealed weapons are a safety threat, which is why they ban them in their own workplace -- the Capitol," she said.

But Journey said the measure would allow abused women, business owners and victims of stalkers to better protect themselves.

"It's not about statistics. It's about making Kansans safer," Journey said.

The first permits would be issued in January 2007.

"I hope I get permit No. 1," Journey said.

Link Posted: 3/23/2006 8:37:21 AM EDT
Outstanding!!
Link Posted: 3/23/2006 8:40:24 AM EDT
Congrats!!!!
Link Posted: 3/23/2006 8:43:09 AM EDT
Congrats. Welcome to the club
Link Posted: 3/23/2006 8:43:40 AM EDT
Congrats
Link Posted: 3/23/2006 8:44:51 AM EDT
Congrats!!!! Now go for Reciprocity
Link Posted: 3/23/2006 8:45:12 AM EDT
FAWKING AWESOME! I haven't checked the local news yet today, so saw it here first. I live 8 miles from State Line on the MO side and work in KS. I've been a "criminal" in KS since I got my MO ccw, but I work next to 4 banks and we've had robberies in the past. I'm not about to be a hostage. Wonder how long it'll take before I can legally carry in KS, and what are the odds that MO residents will be allowed to carry in KS and vice versa?
Link Posted: 3/23/2006 8:49:03 AM EDT
Welcome aboard and cheers, #39ers!
Link Posted: 3/23/2006 8:51:52 AM EDT

Originally Posted By g136653:

Originally Posted By fight4yourrights:
Originally Posted By hakim:


WE HAVE CONCEALED CARRY IN KANSAS! JUST PAST PASSED THE HOUSE!


- Spelling Nazi


Dude, how do you know he didn't mean what he wrote? Maybe he is just happy that he can carry conceals in his front yard now.



Sorry about the spelling guys I guess the excitement got the best of me! I live in Kansas, what do you expect.
Link Posted: 3/23/2006 9:06:13 AM EDT
Outstanding. Now I can stop my KS gas buying boycot on the CO-MO trips.

Good job guys.
Link Posted: 3/23/2006 9:07:38 AM EDT
Full History on bill 418

S 0418
Bill by Journey
Personal and family protection act; licensing to carry concealed firearms.
Effective date: Statute Bk.
01/20/2006 S Introduced -SJ 960
01/23/2006 S Referred to Federal and State Affairs -SJ 971
02/07/2006 S CR: Be passed as am. by Federal and State Affairs -SJ 1032
02/09/2006 S COW: CR be adptd; be further am.; be passed as am. -SJ 1048; EFA:
Passed as am.; Yeas 29 Nays 11 -SJ 1052
02/10/2006 S Engrossed -SJ 1060
02/10/2006 H Received and introduced -HJ 1198
02/13/2006 H Referred to Federal and State Affairs -HJ 1204
03/09/2006 H CR: Be passed as am. by Federal and State Affairs -HJ 1370
03/13/2006 H COW: CR be adptd; be passed as am. -HJ 1383
03/14/2006 H FA: Passed as am.; Yeas 90 Nays 33 -HJ 1420
03/14/2006 S Reengrossed -SJ 1201
03/15/2006 S Concurred; Yeas 30 Nays 10 -SJ 1219
03/17/2006 S Enrolled and presented to gov. -SJ 1241
03/21/2006 Vetoed by gov.; returned to senate -SJ 1286
03/22/2006 S Motion to override veto prevailed; bill passed; Yeas 30 Nays 10
03/23/2006 H Motion to override veto prevailed; bill passed; Yeas 91 Nays 33

Link Posted: 3/23/2006 9:11:08 AM EDT
Who's next? Iowa?
Link Posted: 3/23/2006 9:23:13 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Napoleon_Tanerite:
39 states and counting. just 11 to go!



I still count 38

AK
AL
AR
AZ
CO
CTFL
GA
ID
IN
KY
KS
LA
ME­
MI
MN
MO
MS
MT
NC
NDNH
NM
NV
OH
OK
OR
PA
SC­
SD
TN
TX
UT
VA
VT
WAWV
WY

Am I missing someone?
Link Posted: 3/23/2006 10:07:18 AM EDT
When we were getting ours I had to listen to the term "hidden guns" over and over

Anyone who has followed this, in state after state the same terms used, "hidden guns", "blood in the streets", "shootout over parking spaces", "OK Corral", etc. In fact, I found the same "letters to the editor" signed by different people (most likely local state antigun org leaders), the letters almost word for word. Ditto editorials against.

The anti-gunners are well organized, it seems. They have tried the same losing strategy (well, most of the time) in state after state.

There is a saying about insanity being that you keep doing the same thing over and over, expecting a different result?
Link Posted: 3/23/2006 10:08:34 AM EDT

Originally Posted By motown_steve:

Originally Posted By Napoleon_Tanerite:
39 states and counting. just 11 to go!



I still count 38

AK
AL
AR
AZ
CO
CTFL
GA
ID
IN
KY
KS
LA
ME­
MI
MN
MO
MS
MT
NC
NDNH
NM
NV
OH
OK
OR
PA
SC­
SD
TN
TX
UT
VA
VT
WAWV
WY

Am I missing someone?



I believe CA and NY have conceal carry, but they just let the politicians and the gods of Hollywood carry.
Link Posted: 3/23/2006 10:11:56 AM EDT
congrats!
Link Posted: 3/23/2006 10:20:19 AM EDT
Just when you think your state cant get anymore idiotic and utterly retarded....

They come and TOTALLY somewhat REDEEM THEMSELVES.
Link Posted: 3/23/2006 10:21:24 AM EDT

Originally Posted By michaelj1978:
Wonder how long it'll take before I can legally carry in KS, and what are the odds that MO residents will be allowed to carry in KS and vice versa?



The news reported that permits can be applied for beginning in July and the actual act of carrying could begin in 2007.

I think that reciprocity is in the bill.
Link Posted: 3/23/2006 10:23:20 AM EDT
Congrats brothers!!!

Job well done!
Link Posted: 3/23/2006 10:23:32 AM EDT

Originally Posted By fight4yourrights:
Originally Posted By hakim:


WE HAVE CONCEALED CARRY IN KANSAS! JUST PAST PASSED THE HOUSE!


- Spelling Nazi



KNOCK THAT SHIT OFF!
THIS IS A HAPPY THREAD!
Link Posted: 3/23/2006 10:26:20 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/23/2006 10:28:18 AM EDT by fight4yourrights]

Originally Posted By jrzy:

Originally Posted By fight4yourrights:
Originally Posted By hakim:


WE HAVE CONCEALED CARRY IN KANSAS! JUST PAST PASSED THE HOUSE!


- Spelling Nazi



KNOCK THAT SHIT OFF!
THIS IS A HAPPY THREAD!




Hey, I went easy.......
Link Posted: 3/23/2006 10:30:52 AM EDT

Originally Posted By fight4yourrights:

Originally Posted By jrzy:

Originally Posted By fight4yourrights:
Originally Posted By hakim:


WE HAVE CONCEALED CARRY IN KANSAS! JUST PAST PASSED THE HOUSE!


- Spelling Nazi



KNOCK THAT SHIT OFF!
THIS IS A HAPPY THREAD!




Hey, I went easy.......

Link Posted: 3/23/2006 10:30:52 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/23/2006 10:33:53 AM EDT by HRoark]

Originally Posted By Napoleon_Tanerite:
39 states and counting. just 11 to go!



Maybe shall issue, but there's only 3 states with no provision at all now.

Congrats, #47.

This only leaves Illinois, Wisconsin, and Nebraska.

Wisconsin has come close a few times, I don't know about Nebraska, but it wont happen in the forseeable future in Illinois, I'm afraid.
Link Posted: 3/23/2006 10:34:44 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/23/2006 10:38:20 AM EDT by AC_Doctor]
About freakin time!!! I bet the poor little Governor Sebelius feels like a used sex towel, now LOL!!!
www.nraila.org/CurrentLegislation/Read.aspx?ID=2076



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