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Posted: 3/23/2006 5:53:30 AM EDT
Since he's not a cute blond, what say ARFCOM? Send him up the river.......?




Track Coach Arrested For Sex With Students

(STNG) JOLIET, Ill. A high school track coach was arrested Tuesday on charges of having sex with a pair of student athletes, police said. Marcus Grocesley, 21, of 719 Water St., Joliet, was jailed on four counts of criminal sexual assault in connection with his trysts with the two girls.

Grocesley was an unpaid coach with the girls' track and field team and may have been a volunteer coach with the girls' basketball team as well, police said.

District Superintendent Paul Swanstrom said Tuesday he was not sure Grocesley was a coach in any capacity but said, "He certainly was not on our payroll." He said sports programs have volunteer coaches, but such personnel are certified by the IHSA. Grocesley was not certified by the IHSA, he said.

The sex Grocesley had with the teens was consensual, said Police Chief David Gerdes. Both girls are 17 now, the chief said, and one was 16 when the sex started. One girl attends Joliet Central High School and the other Joliet West, Gerdes said.

Detectives learned about Grocesley's illicit affairs from a school counselor and secured an arrest warrant, which was executed Tuesday. The warrant carries a $500,000 bond.

"Obviously, we're looking for additional information and victims," Gerdes said, encouraging anyone with information to call detectives at (815) 724-3020.
Link Posted: 3/23/2006 6:00:35 AM EDT
I wonder if he will be convicted. At least their ages are closer than the FL case.
Link Posted: 3/23/2006 6:02:13 AM EDT
Double standard? Nah....
Link Posted: 3/23/2006 6:06:55 AM EDT
[ARFCOM]If it were a girl coach it would be awesome, but since he's a guy, let's lynch him![/ARFCOM]
Link Posted: 3/23/2006 6:07:03 AM EDT
I believe the sex between him and the 17 year old would be legal in Illinois.

The one with the 16 year old will be a bit of trouble for him.
Link Posted: 3/23/2006 6:07:54 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Greenhorn:
[ARFCOM]If it were a girl coach it would be awesome, but since he's a guy, let's lynch him![/ARFCOM]


Yep. Pathetic, really.
Link Posted: 3/23/2006 6:09:30 AM EDT

Originally Posted By The_Reaper:
I believe the sex between him and the 17 year old would be legal in Illinois.

The one with the 16 year old will be a bit of trouble for him.



Even if that is true, I think people in positions of power shouldn't be nailing their subordinates. Espceially when there are also maturity issues.
Link Posted: 3/23/2006 6:09:57 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Wobblin-Goblin:

Originally Posted By Greenhorn:
[ARFCOM]If it were a girl coach it would be awesome, but since he's a guy, let's lynch him![/ARFCOM]


Yep. Pathetic, really.



Yep. That's true.
Link Posted: 3/23/2006 6:13:17 AM EDT
16 is legal in Alabama, and most other states too for that matter. Not sure about Illinois though. And really a 16 year old ought to be mature enough to give consent, wasn’t all that long ago that 16 year old girls were usually married. So there might not have been any real crime committed.

Doesn’t mean the guy isn’t a total scumbag though. Using your position of authority to seduce young impressionable women isn’t the kind of thing a decent man would do. Guy should probably be barred from ever coaching any sport ever again. (Democrats are looking for a Presidential candidate though.)

And the guy is only 21 too, that’s not exactly a huge age difference it’s not like he was 50 or so.
Link Posted: 3/23/2006 6:15:12 AM EDT
Maturity? I bet these chics fucked his brains out..
Link Posted: 3/23/2006 6:17:45 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Thuban:
16 is legal in Alabama, and most other states too for that matter. Not sure about Illinois though. And really a 16 year old ought to be mature enough to give consent, wasn’t all that long ago that 16 year old girls were usually married. So there might not have been any real crime committed.

Doesn’t mean the guy isn’t a total scumbag though. Using your position of authority to seduce young impressionable women isn’t the kind of thing a decent man would do. Guy should probably be barred from ever coaching any sport ever again. (Democrats are looking for a Presidential candidate though.)

And the guy is only 21 too, that’s not exactly a huge age difference it’s not like he was 50 or so.



If I catch a 21 year old banging my 16 year old, the law is the least of his problems.

But regardless, no teacher should be banging students.
Link Posted: 3/23/2006 6:18:15 AM EDT
a) how do you hire a 21 year old track coach for 16-17 year olds!!!!!

b) I dunno if I think 21 and 16 or 17 is a crime. most of the high school girls nowadays look and act like they're 30 anyway. If I had a daughter and I was somehow okay with her screwing at 17, I don't think I'd hunt down a 21 year old for banging her. Then again, I don't have a family yet.......
Link Posted: 3/23/2006 6:18:56 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/23/2006 6:19:10 AM EDT by chapperjoe]

Originally Posted By Bama-Shooter:

Originally Posted By Thuban:
16 is legal in Alabama, and most other states too for that matter. Not sure about Illinois though. And really a 16 year old ought to be mature enough to give consent, wasn’t all that long ago that 16 year old girls were usually married. So there might not have been any real crime committed.

Doesn’t mean the guy isn’t a total scumbag though. Using your position of authority to seduce young impressionable women isn’t the kind of thing a decent man would do. Guy should probably be barred from ever coaching any sport ever again. (Democrats are looking for a Presidential candidate though.)

And the guy is only 21 too, that’s not exactly a huge age difference it’s not like he was 50 or so.



If I catch a 21 year old banging my 16 year old, the law is the least of his problems.

But regardless, no teacher should be banging students.



I look at it the other way, daughter's fault. ETA: not yours, just hypothetical.
Link Posted: 3/23/2006 6:19:54 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/23/2006 6:22:05 AM EDT by callgood]
Used to be boxers were told to lay off the dames before a fight. Guess that was dropped.

He might try the "Bi-polar Defense."

ETA- saw the dateline. If Bi-polar doesn't work for him, they won't have to send him very far.
Link Posted: 3/23/2006 6:20:43 AM EDT
I was 18 banging my 16 year old GF nailed her when she was 15 and I was 17.. I was 20 banging a 29 year old chic. I'm 34 and would kill for a 19 year old gf!
Link Posted: 3/23/2006 6:24:57 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/23/2006 6:25:33 AM EDT by The_Reaper]

Originally Posted By chapperjoe:
a) how do you hire a 21 year old track coach for 16-17 year olds!!!!!

b) I dunno if I think 21 and 16 or 17 is a crime.



A 17 year old girl can have sex with a guy of any age in Illinios.

If I remember, girls younger than 17 can have sex with a guy up to 5 years older,
so I think that since he is 21, he should be okay.

Besides, how can you compare maturity levels of a 16 year old girl and a 21 year old guy.
They are probably pretty close to being equal.

Not to mention, odds are the girls were sexually active before they met him.

No harm, no foul as far as I'm concerned.
Link Posted: 3/23/2006 6:27:04 AM EDT
21 year old guy has sex with two 17 year old girls, that shit happens ALL the time. In one year when they're in college they'll have all the 21+ year old's they want.
Link Posted: 3/23/2006 6:29:50 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/23/2006 6:30:29 AM EDT by Illinigunner21]

Originally Posted By krpind:

Originally Posted By Wobblin-Goblin:

Originally Posted By Greenhorn:
[ARFCOM]If it were a girl coach it would be awesome, but since he's a guy, let's lynch him![/ARFCOM]


Yep. Pathetic, really.



Yep. That's true.



Reading is fundamental

ETA: I'm a dumbass nvm... I read guy as gay...
Link Posted: 3/23/2006 6:34:12 AM EDT
'Bah! Who knows, these girls may have approached and seduced him, or it could be out & out lies.

One of my college roommates was an Agricultural Education major. While he was doing his student teaching, one of his female students would write him notes and leave them on his truck. These started out fairly innocently and then got more and more provocative.

Being smarter than your average college student, he never said a word to the girl about it and handed the notes over to the principal. Just goes to show ya that 16yr old girls aren't always the victims.
Link Posted: 3/23/2006 6:35:15 AM EDT
I don't see any real legal issues here.

However, I don't think a High School coach should be nailing students on his team.

Although this may not be considered illegal I still think it is a bad idea to have sex with any subordinate.

It could open the school up for a law suit.
Link Posted: 3/23/2006 6:36:32 AM EDT

Originally Posted By WyattEarp:
21 year old guy has sex with two 17 year old girls, that shit happens ALL the time. In one year when they're in college they'll have all the 21+ year old's they want.



First, they were 16 when it started. There is a big difference in maturity levels between most people when they are 16 and when they are 18.

There is also a big difference between most 18 year olds and 21 year olds.

Adults shouldn't be having sex with children.

Next, under no circumstances should teachers be having sex with students. Nor should drill instructors, or recruiters have sex with new enlistees. Nor should the President have sex with interns. The balance of power in those circumstances is so unbalanced, it makes sexual/romantic relationships just wrong.
Link Posted: 3/23/2006 6:40:54 AM EDT
"Grocesley was an unpaid coach with the girls' track and field team and may have been a volunteer coach with the girls' basketball team as well, police said."

Sure looks like he was getting paid to me.
Link Posted: 3/23/2006 6:43:08 AM EDT
Sounds like a true to life porn movie to me..
Link Posted: 3/23/2006 6:43:30 AM EDT
If it is consensual and the age difference is less than 5 years the only problem I can find is that he was in a supervisory position and took advantage of it.
Link Posted: 3/23/2006 6:43:52 AM EDT

Originally Posted By OLY-M4gery:

Originally Posted By WyattEarp:
21 year old guy has sex with two 17 year old girls, that shit happens ALL the time. In one year when they're in college they'll have all the 21+ year old's they want.



First, they were 16 when it started. There is a big difference in maturity levels between most people when they are 16 and when they are 18.

There is also a big difference between most 18 year olds and 21 year olds.

Adults shouldn't be having sex with children.

Next, under no circumstances should teachers be having sex with students.
Nor should drill instructors, or recruiters have sex with new enlistees. Nor should the President have sex with interns. The balance of power in those circumstances is so unbalanced, it makes sexual/romantic relationships just wrong.



Sounds like a freaking porno. Who in teh heck hired a 21 year old to coach 16/17 year old HIGH SCHOOL FEMALE ATHLETES. are you kidding me? I'm willing to bet my shirt these were not some ugly girls either.
Link Posted: 3/23/2006 6:46:50 AM EDT

Originally Posted By The_Reaper:

Originally Posted By chapperjoe:
a) how do you hire a 21 year old track coach for 16-17 year olds!!!!!

b) I dunno if I think 21 and 16 or 17 is a crime.



A 17 year old girl can have sex with a guy of any age in Illinios.

If I remember, girls younger than 17 can have sex with a guy up to 5 years older,
so I think that since he is 21, he should be okay.

Besides, how can you compare maturity levels of a 16 year old girl and a 21 year old guy.
They are probably pretty close to being equal.

Not to mention, odds are the girls were sexually active before they met him.

No harm, no foul as far as I'm concerned.




Sorry to bust your bubble, the age of consent in IL is 18, if she can't vote don't do her.


They will villify this guy, he will probably get time.
Link Posted: 3/23/2006 6:49:05 AM EDT
Link Posted: 3/23/2006 6:51:23 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/23/2006 6:54:42 AM EDT by JIMBEAM]

Originally Posted By The_Reaper:

Originally Posted By chapperjoe:
a) how do you hire a 21 year old track coach for 16-17 year olds!!!!!

b) I dunno if I think 21 and 16 or 17 is a crime.



A 17 year old girl can have sex with a guy of any age in Illinios.

If I remember, girls younger than 17 can have sex with a guy up to 5 years older,
so I think that since he is 21, he should be okay.

Besides, how can you compare maturity levels of a 16 year old girl and a 21 year old guy.
They are probably pretty close to being equal.

Not to mention, odds are the girls were sexually active before they met him.

No harm, no foul as far as I'm concerned.



Do you think? If they are pulling a 3-way with the coach I doubt they are virgins. Still doesn't make it legal. I had a 16 YO chasing me when I was 22. I wanted to but didn't hit it. A few years later when she was in college I did.
Link Posted: 3/23/2006 6:54:44 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Greenhorn:
[ARFCOM]If it were a girl coach it would be awesome, but since he's a guy, let's lynch him![/ARFCOM]



ARFcom has to live vicariously through anyone who has sex, as 95% of this website does not have sex with attractive women on a regular basis.
Link Posted: 3/23/2006 6:55:36 AM EDT


Originally Posted By The_Reaper:

Not to mention, odds are the girls were sexually active before they met him.





So it's okay for him to bang a SLUT then, right?
Link Posted: 3/23/2006 6:57:47 AM EDT

Originally Posted By RaynoEleven:

Sorry to bust your bubble, the age of consent in IL is 18, if she can't vote don't do her.

They will villify this guy, he will probably get time.



In this particular case, it's 18. 720 ILCS 5/12-13 - victim is at least 13 but under 18, and the accused is at least 17 and held a position of trust, authority, or supervision in relation to the victim. It's a class X felony, 6-30 years mandatory prison.

The Illinois sexual abuse/assault laws are pretty complicated, in some cases the magic number is 17, but in others it's 18, such as when family members are involved or, like in this case, people in positions of trust or authority. But for your average, run of the mill "my daughter is dating an older guy" case, the age of consent is 17.
Link Posted: 3/23/2006 6:58:41 AM EDT


Grocesley was an unpaid coach with the girls' track and field team and may have been a volunteer coach with the girls' basketball team as well, police said.

District Superintendent Paul Swanstrom said Tuesday he was not sure Grocesley was a coach in any capacity but said, "He certainly was not on our payroll." He said sports programs have volunteer coaches, but such personnel are certified by the IHSA. Grocesley was not certified by the IHSA, he said.



There's a key statement. The age of consent in Illinois is 17, *EXCEPT* if you are are school employee diddling a student, in which case the age of consent is 18.



one was 16 when the sex started.



Oops! that is gonna hurt!

The difference between this guy and that chic in FL is that they will be able to find a jury to convict this guy.
Link Posted: 3/23/2006 7:07:56 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/23/2006 7:08:15 AM EDT by guns762]

Originally Posted By thedoctors308:
ARFcom has to live vicariously through anyone who has sex, as 95% of this website does not have sex with attractive women on a regular basis.



True, but at least we are married to them.
Link Posted: 3/23/2006 7:11:19 AM EDT
Hang him.

We've gone soft in this country. No one is accountable for anything. It should be no surprise that we have the problems we do.

Sorry, I'm naturally intolerant.
Link Posted: 3/23/2006 7:12:12 AM EDT

Originally Posted By guns762:

Originally Posted By thedoctors308:
ARFcom has to live vicariously through anyone who has sex, as 95% of this website does not have sex with attractive women on a regular basis.



True, but at least we are married to them.




True dat bro!
Link Posted: 3/23/2006 7:31:53 AM EDT
If one of the girls was 16 at the time, it also means the coach was probably 20 at the time. 17 and 20 is not a big spread. I am 9 yrs older than my wife
Link Posted: 3/23/2006 7:32:00 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/23/2006 7:34:52 AM EDT by AcidGambit]
Nothing illegal about that in Florida given his age and the age of the girls. However, as posted, he broke the Ill law and he's in real trouble.

FL:

A person 24 years of age or older who engages in sexual activity with a person 16 or 17 years of age commits a felony of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084. As used in this section, "sexual activity" means oral, anal, or vaginal penetration by, or union with, the sexual organ of another; however, sexual activity does not include an act done for a bona fide medical purpose.

Link Posted: 3/23/2006 7:55:35 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Illinigunner21:

Originally Posted By krpind:

Originally Posted By Wobblin-Goblin:

Originally Posted By Greenhorn:
[ARFCOM]If it were a girl coach it would be awesome, but since he's a guy, let's lynch him![/ARFCOM]


Yep. Pathetic, really.



Yep. That's true.



Reading is fundamental

ETA: I'm a dumbass nvm... I read guy as gay...



Oh, the irony.

Link Posted: 3/23/2006 7:57:16 AM EDT

Originally Posted By fight4yourrights:

Originally Posted By The_Reaper:

Not to mention, odds are the girls were sexually active before they met him.





So it's okay for him to bang a SLUT then, right?



[my opinion] If they are already active with kids their own age, it shouldn't matter how old the guy is. [/my opinion]

Link Posted: 3/23/2006 7:59:56 AM EDT

Originally Posted By thedoctors308:

Originally Posted By Greenhorn:
[ARFCOM]If it were a girl coach it would be awesome, but since he's a guy, let's lynch him![/ARFCOM]



ARFcom has to live vicariously through anyone who has sex, as 95% of this website does not have sex with attractive women on a regular basis.



which part of that makes it 95%? the part about women? atrractive women? or the regular part?
Link Posted: 3/23/2006 8:06:16 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Greenhorn:
[ARFCOM]If it were a girl coach it would be awesome, but since he's a guy, let's lynch him![/ARFCOM]



Yup...

Get a rope...
Link Posted: 3/23/2006 8:30:17 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Wobblin-Goblin:

Originally Posted By Greenhorn:
[ARFCOM]If it were a girl coach it would be awesome, but since he's a guy, let's lynch him![/ARFCOM]


Yep. Pathetic, really.


+1000
Link Posted: 3/23/2006 8:31:18 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Greenhorn:
[ARFCOM]If it were a girl coach it would be awesome, but since he's a guy, let's lynch him![/ARFCOM]


Exactly what I was thinking, sheesh.
Link Posted: 3/23/2006 8:31:37 AM EDT

Originally Posted By OLY-M4gery:

Originally Posted By The_Reaper:
I believe the sex between him and the 17 year old would be legal in Illinois.

The one with the 16 year old will be a bit of trouble for him.



Even if that is true, I think people in positions of power shouldn't be nailing their subordinates. Espceially when there are also maturity issues.




Yep.......sorry 17yr old maybe legal..but it's still wrong
Link Posted: 3/23/2006 8:33:56 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/23/2006 8:36:59 AM EDT by MST2]
Let him go. The legal age should be 15 or 16 anyway.
Link Posted: 3/23/2006 8:34:09 AM EDT

Originally Posted By RaynoEleven:

Originally Posted By The_Reaper:

Originally Posted By chapperjoe:
a) how do you hire a 21 year old track coach for 16-17 year olds!!!!!

b) I dunno if I think 21 and 16 or 17 is a crime.



A 17 year old girl can have sex with a guy of any age in Illinios.

If I remember, girls younger than 17 can have sex with a guy up to 5 years older,
so I think that since he is 21, he should be okay.

Besides, how can you compare maturity levels of a 16 year old girl and a 21 year old guy.
They are probably pretty close to being equal.

Not to mention, odds are the girls were sexually active before they met him.

No harm, no foul as far as I'm concerned.




Sorry to bust your bubble, the age of consent in IL is 18, if she can't vote don't do her.


They will villify this guy, he will probably get time.



That would have been legal in many states. Let him go, everyone grow up a little.
Link Posted: 3/23/2006 8:36:18 AM EDT
The guy should be fired for sure but I don't think he should goto prison and rot for 30 years. They weren't 13 year olds. They were probably already fucking other high school guys that were close to his age.
Link Posted: 3/23/2006 9:19:39 AM EDT
There is nothing wrong with this and the Coach shouldn't be charged with anything. These girls will be able to brag for the rest of their lives that when they were 16 they were having sex with their coach.
Link Posted: 3/23/2006 10:26:14 AM EDT
Link Posted: 3/23/2006 10:36:01 AM EDT
The more I think about it, hell I'm 21, I'd bang a 16 year old. It would be legal too.
Link Posted: 3/23/2006 10:36:09 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/23/2006 10:38:18 AM EDT by John_Wayne777]
21 year olds still have no buisness screwing 16 year olds.

Period.

What he did was a crime, and he should be punished......But one has to wonder about justice when hot female teachers get a free pass.....

It appears that the age of consent in Illinois is 17, thus the guy can legitimately be charged with rape.
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