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Posted: 3/22/2006 12:04:34 PM EDT

I know a lot of people here have a lot of training. Military, LEO, overseas contractor, firearms courses, etc.

What one thing above all else have you taken away from your training?

For me, it's to always be alert to your surroundings. I just naturally scope out everyone who comes near me. I think I see a lot of things other people miss. I'm always checking out every driver on the road around me as well.

Link Posted: 3/22/2006 12:06:04 PM EDT

Originally Posted By AvengeR15:
I know a lot of people here have a lot of training. Military, LEO, overseas contractor, firearms courses, etc.

What one thing above all else have you taken away from your training?

For me, it's to always be alert to your surroundings. I just naturally scope out everyone who comes near me. I think I see a lot of things other people miss. I'm always checking out every driver on the road around me as well.




smooth=fast

I'm not that smooth

there's always someone better than you
Link Posted: 3/22/2006 12:07:29 PM EDT
Pulling the trigger is REALLY the LAST thing you want to do.
Pray you never have to do it for real.
Link Posted: 3/22/2006 12:11:31 PM EDT
You can never train enough.
Link Posted: 3/22/2006 12:12:01 PM EDT
Shoot first, ask questions later.


That's Bizarro world.
Link Posted: 3/22/2006 12:12:17 PM EDT
I will let you know in two weeks.

Link Posted: 3/22/2006 12:12:24 PM EDT
Link Posted: 3/22/2006 12:19:41 PM EDT
• If you start getting tunnel vision, shake your head and that will help it clear. (stress increases ocular pressure)

• Action beats reaction.

• ALWAYS get a good sight picture. (example was a cop that was an IPSC champ but when someone shot at him the first time he emptied a mag at the bad guy from like 20 feet and missed every shot)

I'm no training junkie, just taken a few handgun courses, but these things have stuck with me.
Link Posted: 3/22/2006 12:19:56 PM EDT
If there is a MF'er 10 feet away and shooting at you, trigger discipline and sight picture are meaningless terms.
Link Posted: 3/22/2006 12:22:09 PM EDT
Many of the above, plus...

Always check your six.

There's no such thing as too much practice/training.
Link Posted: 3/22/2006 12:23:02 PM EDT
Link Posted: 3/22/2006 12:23:29 PM EDT
There is no "second place".
Link Posted: 3/22/2006 12:25:46 PM EDT
Link Posted: 3/22/2006 12:26:02 PM EDT
Don't escalate the situation. If they escalate it, double tap?
Link Posted: 3/22/2006 12:34:14 PM EDT
Strike first??!!!
Link Posted: 3/22/2006 12:34:37 PM EDT
1. Have a weapon.

2. Situational awairness

3.Front sight, front sight, front sight
Link Posted: 3/22/2006 1:09:54 PM EDT
Having the mentality to do what needs to be done.
Link Posted: 3/22/2006 1:10:33 PM EDT

Originally Posted By EdAvilaSr:
Aimless will always arrive late to the courses

Not the best thing I have learned,but one that is constant!




If ya have bone to gripe take it to the Pit.
Link Posted: 3/22/2006 1:24:23 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Jarhead_22:
If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you may have misjudged the situation.

Seriously, keep breathing and keep your head on a swivel.



As Jarhead said, keeping your head in the fight was the most important thing I learned from recent carbine courses. Training with Simunitions will reinforce this.
Link Posted: 3/22/2006 1:28:12 PM EDT
avoid conflict
Link Posted: 3/22/2006 1:41:34 PM EDT
Your not practicing for the Olympics where every shot must hit
perfectly in a half inch circle.

Your magazine has more than one round in it for a reason.
Use that advantage.
Link Posted: 3/22/2006 1:45:05 PM EDT
If "Plan A" is to take several 308 rounds in the back, you should really come up with a "Plan B".
Link Posted: 3/22/2006 1:46:53 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Stealth:
If "Plan A" is to take several 308 rounds in the back, you should really come up with a "Plan B".



sweetness. We need a Mall Ninja smiley.
Link Posted: 3/22/2006 1:48:21 PM EDT
Never lose your weapon.

Always have a backup plan in case you lose said weapon.
Link Posted: 3/22/2006 1:48:36 PM EDT
Keep shooting till the threat(s) is eliminated.

<­BR>

They can't sue you when they are dead.
Link Posted: 3/22/2006 2:00:28 PM EDT
I believe, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that the number one conderation is to.......
Have a gun...
and mindset...
and keep moving...
and practice...
and situational awareness...
and don't react hastily but react quickly...
and shoot til the threat is eliminated...
and keep your head on a swivle...
and breathe...
and training...
and use cover...
and have a gun.
Link Posted: 3/22/2006 2:03:59 PM EDT
The best fight is the one you avoid.
Link Posted: 3/22/2006 2:06:25 PM EDT
Watch your six.
Move slowly and deliberately.
Present yourself as a "hard target".

Pop smoke.
Link Posted: 3/22/2006 2:09:34 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/22/2006 2:09:50 PM EDT by RustedAce]
sims are fun.

I have learned from training CQB that no one ever checks thier overhead, if you come to get me out of a house you better look up


Dont get excited and think clear is the best thing I have learned from training and real life. Think about what the other guy is gonna do, then stop him from doing it.
Link Posted: 3/22/2006 2:12:28 PM EDT

Originally Posted By azcopwannabee:
Keep shooting till the threat(s) is eliminated.

<­BR>

They can't sue you when they are dead.



Yep. And always tell yourself, "200 rds of SAW is NOT needed to put down 2 targets in a MOUT training environment. Even though you have like 15k of blank rounds. Your CO will NOT appreciate it and he will ask you why you used 200rds of SAW ammo against 2 targets."

Link Posted: 3/22/2006 2:12:35 PM EDT
Best thing I learned? There is ALWAYS room for improvement, and the more you learn, the more you realize you don't know.
Link Posted: 3/22/2006 2:13:55 PM EDT
You fight like you train.
Link Posted: 3/22/2006 2:17:28 PM EDT
Pistols are pistols and rifles are rifles.
Link Posted: 3/22/2006 2:18:02 PM EDT
watch the roof tops and hands.
Link Posted: 3/22/2006 2:19:31 PM EDT
slow and careful beats fast and hurried every time.

that doesnt mean that you don't move with a sense of urgency tho. that means that it's pointless to haul ass and fuck up when you could have gone a little slower and gotten it done right and faster
Link Posted: 3/22/2006 2:23:03 PM EDT

Originally Posted By 1911greg:
watch the roof tops and hands.



Yep.

Watch hands.

"Ifta Eydich!"
Link Posted: 3/22/2006 2:23:42 PM EDT
Lots of good thoughts here.

Here's mine.

Don't get me wrong, force of any kind is probably going to cause lots of problems for everyone involved.

But the one thing that always strikes me about after action reports is how no one really believes it's actually hitting the fan until they are history. It's generally NOT a lack of training, or poor equipment.

What gets a lot of guys is that the human mind wants to mope around in condition green, and struggles to stay there long after there is plenty of indication that there is serious trouble brewing.
Link Posted: 3/22/2006 2:51:45 PM EDT
Always cheat. Always win.

I'd much rather talk my way out of a fight than shoot my way into one.

Make up your mind NOW about what you are willing to do to win in a fight. Come to terms with your maker or whoever else you need to. The moment of truth can come when you least expect it.

And something I picked up from boy scouts many moons ago: Always Be Prepared.

Doc
Link Posted: 3/22/2006 4:03:46 PM EDT

Originally Posted By tyman:

Yep. And always tell yourself, "200 rds of SAW is NOT needed to put down 2 targets in a MOUT training environment.



glove get stuck between the trigger & trigger guard?
Link Posted: 3/22/2006 4:29:22 PM EDT

A lot of people are out of shape and can't shoot worth a damn. Even more can't make the right decisions fast enough to survive.

You can always put your gun back in your holster. Don't get caught short.
Link Posted: 3/22/2006 4:35:34 PM EDT
Watch your six
Link Posted: 3/22/2006 4:40:57 PM EDT
Mindset.

If you are not prepared to do battle at all times,
you are a sheep

I fly often.
I am very in tune with the fact that I will, if needed,
beat a hiacker to death with my bare hands.

I'm not being funny, or, chest thumping...or, anything else...

I will just not go out like the 9/11 folks.

I've made my peace with it.

A high speed frankengun is useless in your locker.

If you are not mentally ready....forget it.
Link Posted: 3/22/2006 4:41:42 PM EDT
PRACTICE PRACTICE PRACTICE
Link Posted: 3/22/2006 4:42:41 PM EDT
"Gena'men, if you get in this kind of shit, you fuck'n sling lead and get the hell out of there"
(Drill Sargent, Cav Scout AIT)
Link Posted: 3/22/2006 4:45:59 PM EDT
Mindset is the most important element in defense.
Link Posted: 3/22/2006 4:49:26 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Stainless:

Originally Posted By tyman:

Yep. And always tell yourself, "200 rds of SAW is NOT needed to put down 2 targets in a MOUT training environment.



glove get stuck between the trigger & trigger guard?





"Sir....I was surprised by the one by the door, so I let into him to make sure that I got him. Then, the one in the rafters got me as well. I shot til I thought they were immobilized."

"Do you know how many rounds you let loose?"

"35-40? "
"uh huh....do you think you need 20rds per person?"
"If they keep moving, *bust up laughing* then yes sir...."
"I didnt think so either......why the extra amount of ammo?"
"Just trying to shoot off some extra blanks sir, like you guys always tell us too"
"Well, next time, dont."
"Alrighty then sir."

Link Posted: 3/22/2006 4:50:49 PM EDT
Rules for a Gunfight
Anonymous
1. Bring a gun. Preferably, bring at least two guns. Bring all of your friends who have guns.

2. Anything worth shooting is worth shooting twice. Ammo is cheap - life is expensive.

3. Only hits count. The only thing worse than a miss is a slow miss.

4. If your shooting stance is good, you're probably not moving fast enough or using cover correctly.

5. Move away from your attacker. Distance is your friend. (Lateral and diagonal movement are preferred.)

6. If you can choose what to bring to a gunfight, bring a long gun and a friend with a long gun.

7. In ten years nobody will remember the details of caliber, stance, or tactics. They will only remember who lived.

8. If you are not shooting, you should be communicating, reloading, and running.

9. Accuracy is relative: most combat shooting standards will be more dependent on "pucker factor" than the inherent accuracy of the gun. Use a gun that works EVERY TIME. "All skill is in vain when an Angel blows the powder from the flintlock of your musket."

10. Someday someone may kill you with your own gun, but they should have to beat you to death with it because it is empty.

11. Always cheat, always win. The only unfair fight is the one you lose.

12. Have a plan.

13. Have a back-up plan, because the first one won't work.

14. Use cover or concealment as much as possible.

15. Flank your adversary when possible. Protect yours.

16. Don't drop your guard.

17. Always tactical load and threat scan 360 degrees.

18. Watch their hands. Hands kill. (In God we trust. Everyone else, keep your hands where I can see them.)

19. Decide to be aggressive ENOUGH, quickly ENOUGH.

20. The faster you finish the fight, the less shot you will get.

21. Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet.

22. Be courteous to everyone, friendly to no one.

23. Your number one option for personal security is a lifelong commitment to avoidance, deterrence, and de-escalation.

24. Do not attend a gun fight with a handgun, the caliber of which does not start with anything smaller than "4".

25. You can't miss fast enough to win.
Link Posted: 3/22/2006 4:51:15 PM EDT
Avoidance.

I don't mean retreat, just knowing what situations not to get into.
Link Posted: 3/22/2006 4:57:17 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Cincinnatus:

Originally Posted By 1911greg:
watch the roof tops and hands.



Yep.

Watch hands.

"Ifta Eydich!"



Mista mista! You give n e ting!! You give col-a?

You no sedeki. Jundi no sedeki! You no give 5 dolla, I trow bolle-bolle!

Link Posted: 3/22/2006 5:04:30 PM EDT
I have worked the "hood" as both a LEO and a Medic.
As a LEO Superior numbers work.
As a Medic brains work, I have been in the back or have driven when bangers whant to finish the hit. Mass equals a advantage, brains is even better.
Had your ambulance shot up by bangers?
I have.
Can you power slide a 4 ton powerstroke ambulance with a governer?
I can.
Can you take said ambulance off road?
I can.
Have you ever flown one over a bad rise or road?
I have.
Have ever been in the back when one rolled?
I have.
I had training to work around emergecy situations, (joke cones don't shoot) I learned by being shot at.
Try me in a car.
I good friend was shot down at 17 buy someone (never solved) buy someone I get get jumpy.
When you find my car in a isolated spot, you just lost.
Link Posted: 3/22/2006 5:13:54 PM EDT
Respond with overwelming force quickly. [Keyser Soze]You must have the will to do what the other guy won't.[/Keyser Soze]
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