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Posted: 3/22/2006 8:46:00 AM EDT
WTF happend to the DVD's? When?

I have always beeen so pissed that STNG DVD season box ses have been $110 a pop or so, while all other TV shows are in the $30-$50 range.

I just went to BJ's Wholesale club and thought I hit a mismarked gold mine. They had Seasons 1, 2 and 3 for $47.99. I bought all three.

Then I got home and looked it up online and the prices dropped all over the net to about $55 a season for only 1, 2, 3.

I would have bought them anyway, but I thought BJ's made a mistake.

When did the prices drop?
Why the heck are the rest of the seasons still $110?
Link Posted: 3/22/2006 8:52:41 AM EDT
That show is so OLD looking now........
Link Posted: 3/22/2006 9:09:55 AM EDT

Originally Posted By fight4yourrights:
That show is so OLD looking now........



It started in 1987. It's 20 years old.
It IS old.

Was my favorite show growing up. I want the whole set. But I'm not paying $700+ for it.
Link Posted: 3/22/2006 9:16:43 AM EDT
Damn... TNG started in '87! Holy shit... Now I feel OLD.
~Dg84
Link Posted: 3/22/2006 9:16:44 AM EDT



NERDS!!!!
Link Posted: 3/22/2006 9:18:38 AM EDT
I don't know much about the show and I have a question: did they use money in their society? I never saw any, and I just wonder if it was ever addressed.
Link Posted: 3/22/2006 9:28:08 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Coop_K:
I don't know much about the show and I have a question: did they use money in their society? I never saw any, and I just wonder if it was ever addressed.



Kind fo hazy on the details, but I do remember them bringing it up once. I believe they said they don't use money.

In Deep space nine they used bars of latinum as money though
Link Posted: 3/22/2006 9:42:28 AM EDT
I looked on amazon and the complete set is $385 now but with DS9 and TNG together is over $1000 Why the hell is DS9 still $700 for the set?

I don't know what the deal is with the pricing, I always wanted TNG DS9 and Voyager, but the was no way I was spending over $2500 for them, so I just stoped looking at them.

I hope they understand Start Trek is dieing and lowering prices may help boost it again

I hope they all drop in price soon so I have something to watch after The Shield and 24 are over
Link Posted: 3/22/2006 9:45:03 AM EDT

Originally Posted By TruePunisher:
I looked on amazon and the complete set is $385 now but with DS9 and TNG together is over $1000 Why the hell is DS9 still $700 for the set?

I don't know what the deal is with the pricing, I always wanted TNG DS9 and Voyager, but the was no way I was spending over $2500 for them, so I just stoped looking at them.

I hope they understand Start Trek is dieing and lowering prices may help boost it again

I hope they all drop in price soon so I have something to watch after The Shield and 24 are over



Cool. I'll still do better to get all 7 seasons for $48 each. But seasons 4-7 are still $111 on Amazon.
Hopefully they drop as well. I'll just be patient.
Link Posted: 3/22/2006 9:46:16 AM EDT

Originally Posted By MuRDoC:
img164.imageshack.us/img164/5040/nerds5tk.jpg


NERDS!!!!



Yep!!!
Link Posted: 3/22/2006 9:47:19 AM EDT
I would only buy a boxed set if they would just put the battle episodes in and left out the touchy feely crap.
Sadly it would be a small set.
Link Posted: 3/22/2006 9:49:27 AM EDT
Sam's Club here has the first 3 seasons of DS9 and TNG for the lower price ($48 or so each). I expect that the rest of the seasons will be along shortly.
Link Posted: 3/22/2006 9:52:48 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Coop_K:
I don't know much about the show and I have a question: did they use money in their society? I never saw any, and I just wonder if it was ever addressed.



Nope, they had these replacators that could make anything. So I figure the average person just sat around all day replicating weed, beer, and Cheetos. What’s the point in working (or money) if you can just replicate everything you want?

That left a handful of assholes to fly around in their luxury spaceships moralizing on the superiority of their culture and the evils of Capitalism.
Link Posted: 3/22/2006 9:55:44 AM EDT
Buy a tivo, spike tv plays DS9 and STTNG in order 5 hours every day.
Link Posted: 3/22/2006 9:58:17 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/22/2006 9:59:52 AM EDT by Mauser101]

Originally Posted By Coop_K:
I don't know much about the show and I have a question: did they use money in their society? I never saw any, and I just wonder if it was ever addressed.



The Original Series explanation was that no they did not. Later Gene Rodenbury's socialist utopia got a does of reality and in TNG this was updated to be that humans on earth (not Federation of Planets wide) did not NEED money to live their day to day lives. Several Federation planets were shown or talked about to be using money. Many non-Federation planets and other alliances did use money.

After Rodenbury died the writers dropped the moneyless society idea entirely.

Why would anybody haul toxic waste if there was no tangable benefit in it? It's anti-human.
Link Posted: 3/22/2006 9:58:35 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Kooter:

Originally Posted By Coop_K:
I don't know much about the show and I have a question: did they use money in their society? I never saw any, and I just wonder if it was ever addressed.



Kind fo hazy on the details, but I do remember them bringing it up once. I believe they said they don't use money.

In Deep space nine they used bars of latinum as money though



The first episode, "Encounter at Farpoint", had Dr. Crusher buy a bolt of cloth and ask that she be charged for it. After that I don't remember any money being used internaly by the Federation. Though perhaps some bartering took place between the various "Nation States" (You give me guns, I let these prisoners go)

Now that I think about it, STNG was communistic (the utopian ideal communism). Everyone worked hard, and was just given stuff. There were no poor, or rich, and everyone was generaly happy.

Link Posted: 3/22/2006 10:00:31 AM EDT
I have every season of all the star trek shows (voyager, DS9, TNG, enterprise, original) on DVD. Funny thing is, they are marked with the brand name "Verbatim"
Link Posted: 3/22/2006 10:01:33 AM EDT

Originally Posted By NimmerMehr:
=
Now that I think about it, STNG was communistic (the utopian ideal communism). Everyone worked hard, and was just given stuff. There were no poor, or rich, and everyone was generaly happy.




Earth and several Fed planets were, and they were presented as the ideal, but it seemed like this was not common in their corner of the galaxy.
Link Posted: 3/22/2006 10:10:21 AM EDT

Originally Posted By mjohn3006:
Cool. I'll still do better to get all 7 seasons for $48 each. But seasons 4-7 are still $111 on Amazon.
Hopefully they drop as well. I'll just be patient.



I looked at the DS9 set of 7 season, still normal $100ish price, this is crazy! I am with you though, I have waited this long, I can hold out untill the ALL drop to $50ish
Link Posted: 3/22/2006 10:12:08 AM EDT
You guys actually buy this stuff!?
Link Posted: 3/22/2006 10:18:32 AM EDT

Originally Posted By NME:
You guys actually buy this stuff!?



Yep.

I watch the shows when they re-run them on TV. With the DVD's I always have the episodes I really like. It's great stuff to put on when your cleaning guns or organizing ammo or other things that you want to watch somthing, but don't want to have to focus attention on it.

Also great just to bring back memories.
Link Posted: 3/22/2006 10:33:36 AM EDT
I've had my eye on the TNG DVD sets for a couple years now, but they're always ~$110 which is way too rich for my blood. I'd consider paying that for the whole series, but certainly not for one season.

I'll just download them and burn them if I have to.

-James
Link Posted: 3/22/2006 10:40:45 AM EDT
ebay is your friend, in this case.
Link Posted: 3/22/2006 10:42:23 AM EDT
Star Trek is a socialist utopia, and the Federation is pretty darn corrupt.
Link Posted: 3/22/2006 10:45:50 AM EDT
DON'T fall for the cheap, chinese/english versions


If you read the feedback of the seller, you will see a lot of unhappy buyers
Link Posted: 3/22/2006 10:47:57 AM EDT

Originally Posted By MuRDoC:
img164.imageshack.us/img164/5040/nerds5tk.jpg


NERDS!!!!






NERDS WITH PHASERS, SUCKER.
Link Posted: 3/22/2006 10:50:39 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Mauser101:

Originally Posted By Coop_K:
I don't know much about the show and I have a question: did they use money in their society? I never saw any, and I just wonder if it was ever addressed.



The Original Series explanation was that no they did not. Later Gene Rodenbury's socialist utopia got a does of reality and in TNG this was updated to be that humans on earth (not Federation of Planets wide) did not NEED money to live their day to day lives. Several Federation planets were shown or talked about to be using money. Many non-Federation planets and other alliances did use money.

After Rodenbury died the writers dropped the moneyless society idea entirely.

Why would anybody haul toxic waste if there was no tangable benefit in it? It's anti-human.



Yup. Dont' forget the whole Quarks bar in DS9.

He was making money like no one's business.
Link Posted: 3/22/2006 10:54:39 AM EDT

Originally Posted By go3:
ebay is your friend, in this case.



Ebay's are usually bootleg coppies that don't work.

Or so I heard on the intarweb.
Link Posted: 3/22/2006 10:56:30 AM EDT
The technical manuals (yes I have read some of the technical manuals) say that the reason Gold Pressed Latinum was used as curency was because it couldn't be replicated.
Link Posted: 3/22/2006 11:00:28 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Enigma102083:
The technical manuals (yes I have read some of the technical manuals) say that the reason Gold Pressed Latinum was used as curency was because it couldn't be replicated.



A cool. That would make sence.
I still have the technical manual for the 1701-D.
I used to read it all the time in Jr High.

I would probably have a different take on it now that I have a degree in Electrical Engineering.
Link Posted: 3/22/2006 11:02:32 AM EDT

Originally Posted By NME:
You guys actually buy this stuff!?


I don't know why anyone buys DVDs of TV shows.
Link Posted: 3/22/2006 11:03:13 AM EDT

Originally Posted By mjohn3006:
I still have the technical manual for the 1701-D.



But do you have the Blue Prints?

Link Posted: 3/22/2006 11:09:34 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Enigma102083:
The technical manuals (yes I have read some of the technical manuals) say that the reason Gold Pressed Latinum was used as curency was because it couldn't be replicated.




IIRC, latinum can be replicated - but you need latinum in order to replicate it. Thus pretty much negating the purpose.

Replicators actually use bulk that's compacted and contained for whatever it creates.

For instance, if you wished to have a glass of water, it would draw glass (for the container) and then hydrogen and oxygen, the two of which would be constructed at the molecular level in a composition of water.

The thing I don't get is in one episode of TNG, Will Riker was "cloned" by a malufunction in the teleporter. One "copy" was beamed up to the ship, the other "copy" accidently beamed to the surface (and left to live by himself on a barren planet for 8 years). So, if this is possible, it means that teleporters do not store compositions and atoms the way a relicator does. This would indicate that the teleporter was able to construct two Will Rikers with the amount of atoms from one.


Ok, long question short: why can't we use the same method to clone a thousand Lindsay Lohans for... um.... "entertainment purposes"?
Link Posted: 3/22/2006 11:12:07 AM EDT

Originally Posted By tc556guy:

Originally Posted By NME:
You guys actually buy this stuff!?


I don't know why anyone buys DVDs of TV shows.



Do you have a favor TV show? Is it broadcasted 24/7 with you able to choose with episode to watch whenever you want?

Sure, you could tape (ewww) your favorite TV shows and keep them on hand, but that would require touching a VHS - and I don't do that.

(Oh, yeah, you can also let your friends/family borrow the DVDs too. I got my friends hooked on Stargate SG-1 that way.)
Link Posted: 3/22/2006 11:12:42 AM EDT

Originally Posted By TruePunisher:

Originally Posted By mjohn3006:
I still have the technical manual for the 1701-D.



But do you have the Blue Prints?




The tech manual has some high level bue prints in it. But no, I don't have any big ass blue prints.


I do have the inaugural edition collector card set. 100% complete, with all 4 hologram cards, plus the bonus rare gold hologram card that you had to send away for. All kept in the official card collation notebook.

And I wonder why I never got chicks in High School.
Link Posted: 3/22/2006 11:13:50 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Sturmwehr:
[Replicators actually use bulk that's compacted and contained for whatever it creates.

For instance, if you wished to have a glass of water, it would draw glass (for the container) and then hydrogen and oxygen, the two of which would be constructed at the molecular level in a composition of water.



I always understood that they created whatever the item was at the molecular level, and could transform just about any material into a desired item as long as they had enough raw material of any sort to draw from to create the desired molecular material.
Link Posted: 3/22/2006 11:13:55 AM EDT

Originally Posted By fight4yourrights:
That show is so OLD looking now........




Ain't that the truth! Especially the first 2 seasons!
Link Posted: 3/22/2006 11:16:35 AM EDT

Originally Posted By NME:

Originally Posted By MuRDoC:
img164.imageshack.us/img164/5040/nerds5tk.jpg


NERDS!!!!



Yep!!!





The combat ones are always good, too bad they were so infrequent.

the later seasons of Voyager seemed pretty good. Always loved the time travel ones.
Link Posted: 3/22/2006 11:18:33 AM EDT

Originally Posted By tc556guy:

Originally Posted By Sturmwehr:
[Replicators actually use bulk that's compacted and contained for whatever it creates.

For instance, if you wished to have a glass of water, it would draw glass (for the container) and then hydrogen and oxygen, the two of which would be constructed at the molecular level in a composition of water.



I always understood that they created whatever the item was at the molecular level, and could transform just about any material into a desired item as long as they had enough raw material of any sort to draw from to create the desired molecular material.



Poop is a useful "material" to use.
Link Posted: 3/22/2006 11:20:05 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Zaphod:

Originally Posted By fight4yourrights:
That show is so OLD looking now........




Ain't that the truth! Especially the first 2 seasons!



+1


1987?? WOW, makes me feel like a:

Link Posted: 3/22/2006 11:22:44 AM EDT

Originally Posted By mjohn3006:
Poop is a useful "material" to use.


You don't think they did anything ELSE with that, do you? Of course they reused it.
Link Posted: 3/22/2006 11:42:40 AM EDT
E=mc^2

or

m=E/c^2

With unlimited (nearly) energy you can make lots of hot chicks in the holodeck.

I always felt sorry for the poor shlub that had to clean up the holodeck after Riker was in there.
Link Posted: 3/22/2006 11:45:57 AM EDT
Link Posted: 3/22/2006 11:48:53 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/22/2006 11:49:23 AM EDT by mjohn3006]

Originally Posted By DigDug:
E=mc^2

or

m=E/c^2

With unlimited (nearly) energy you can make lots of hot chicks in the holodeck.

I always felt sorry for the poor shlub that had to clean up the holodeck after Riker was in there.



Since the holodeck also used replicator technology to actually create things like chairs and other objects(not people), then break them down for re-use, my guess is that baby batter would be absorbed into the replicator system.
Link Posted: 3/22/2006 12:06:52 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/22/2006 12:08:37 PM EDT by PlaymoreMinds]

Originally Posted By go3:
ebay is your friend, in this case.



Thank you Geordi.


Have all 7 STNG seasons on disc...courtesy of EBAY


Originally Posted By mjohn3006:

Originally Posted By go3:
ebay is your friend, in this case.



Ebay's are usually bootleg coppies that don't work.

Or so I heard on the intarweb.



Depends on the seller...READ the auction, Number One! All of mine are first edition American sets.
Some purchased used from reformed geeks ( ) some from movie sellers.

Link Posted: 3/22/2006 12:08:26 PM EDT

DS9 and STNG are on TV every day. I think the channel is SPIKE. I set my DVR set to record them . I must have over 40 episodes to watch now. The trick is watching them fast enough to free up space for more.
Link Posted: 3/22/2006 12:18:03 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Sturmwehr:

Originally Posted By Enigma102083:
The technical manuals (yes I have read some of the technical manuals) say that the reason Gold Pressed Latinum was used as curency was because it couldn't be replicated.




IIRC, latinum can be replicated - but you need latinum in order to replicate it. Thus pretty much negating the purpose.

Replicators actually use bulk that's compacted and contained for whatever it creates.

For instance, if you wished to have a glass of water, it would draw glass (for the container) and then hydrogen and oxygen, the two of which would be constructed at the molecular level in a composition of water.

The thing I don't get is in one episode of TNG, Will Riker was "cloned" by a malufunction in the teleporter. One "copy" was beamed up to the ship, the other "copy" accidently beamed to the surface (and left to live by himself on a barren planet for 8 years). So, if this is possible, it means that teleporters do not store compositions and atoms the way a relicator does. This would indicate that the teleporter was able to construct two Will Rikers with the amount of atoms from one.


Ok, long question short: why can't we use the same method to clone a thousand Lindsay Lohans for... um.... "entertainment purposes"?



basically how the transporter works is that it scans the person or object being transported, copies their molecular structure data, breaks down the original object or person, then sends on that data, and the beam reconstructs the object or person from local matter. In the case with Riker, there was some sort of feed-back-loop that caused the transporter to think it was beaming Riker up as well as down. So it materialized him on the ship, and materialized him on the ground as well using local matter.
Link Posted: 3/22/2006 12:35:30 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/22/2006 12:40:07 PM EDT by NimmerMehr]
I always though they just took enery from the engines and made matter out of it ala e=mc^2

Edit: I have a book, 'physics of star trek' and if the bomb that destroyed .. nagasiak .. was 8 kg of plutonium. To replicate the 8 kg of plutonium you would need the energy of a 20 kt explosion (I'm not factoring in bomb effiecientie) to run e=mc^2 backwards and make matter out of energy.


Originally Posted By tc556guy:

Originally Posted By Sturmwehr:
[Replicators actually use bulk that's compacted and contained for whatever it creates.

For instance, if you wished to have a glass of water, it would draw glass (for the container) and then hydrogen and oxygen, the two of which would be constructed at the molecular level in a composition of water.



I always understood that they created whatever the item was at the molecular level, and could transform just about any material into a desired item as long as they had enough raw material of any sort to draw from to create the desired molecular material.

Link Posted: 3/22/2006 12:57:54 PM EDT

Originally Posted By NimmerMehr:
I always though they just took enery from the engines and made matter out of it ala e=mc^2

Edit: I have a book, 'physics of star trek' and if the bomb that destroyed .. nagasiak .. was 8 kg of plutonium. To replicate the 8 kg of plutonium you would need the energy of a 20 kt explosion (I'm not factoring in bomb effiecientie) to run e=mc^2 backwards and make matter out of energy.


Originally Posted By tc556guy:

Originally Posted By Sturmwehr:
[Replicators actually use bulk that's compacted and contained for whatever it creates.

For instance, if you wished to have a glass of water, it would draw glass (for the container) and then hydrogen and oxygen, the two of which would be constructed at the molecular level in a composition of water.



I always understood that they created whatever the item was at the molecular level, and could transform just about any material into a desired item as long as they had enough raw material of any sort to draw from to create the desired molecular material.




With a warp core, I don't see why there would be a problem with energy.
Link Posted: 3/22/2006 12:58:58 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Sturmwehr:

Originally Posted By MuRDoC:
img164.imageshack.us/img164/5040/nerds5tk.jpg


NERDS!!!!



www.st-v-sw.net/images/Trek/Special/handweap/phanemholst.jpg


NERDS WITH PHASERS, SUCKER.






Originally Posted By DVDTracker:

Originally Posted By Thuban:
Nope, they had these replacators that could make anything. So I figure the average person just sat around all day replicating weed, beer, and Cheetos. What’s the point in working (or money) if you can just replicate everything you want?

That left a handful of assholes to fly around in their luxury spaceships moralizing on the superiority of their culture and the evils of Capitalism.






All kinds of gems in this thread.
Link Posted: 3/22/2006 4:13:44 PM EDT
Bump for evening.
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