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Posted: 3/22/2006 8:16:38 AM EDT
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I don't believe there is ANY such letter from the ATF. At least I haven't seen one. My guess is they are just lying to you to protect their own business. |
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Posted: 3/22/2006 8:19:57 AM EDT
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I've seen no such letter as an FFL. |
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Posted: 3/22/2006 8:23:44 AM EDT
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There are still some good FFL's left. Virginia Arms comes to mind. Thats a local place around me, very good people to deal with. My guess is the shops around you are afraid they will lose money by doing internet transfers. MJD
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Posted: 3/22/2006 8:30:01 AM EDT
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I hit the same wall last night. My gun shop will axccept transfers from individuals, but will not supply a copy of FFL for sellers records.
"Yeah, just mail it to this address. No, really, its a gun shop!" |
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Posted: 3/22/2006 8:31:29 AM EDT
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They probably want you to buy from them. Your getting the deal, they are getting the paperwork probably for a 20-30 buck transfer fee. Sorry for getting so hypocrittical, must be old age or something.
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Posted: 3/22/2006 8:34:23 AM EDT
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yeah, pretty obvious. They would rather order the .45 and then have you buy it from them and they can make their share. Not making really anything on transfers, the one place here in NW Houston I used to use charged $25 for a transfer and were usually dicks about it if they saw you only came in to pick up a transfer, and not look at their stuff. Kind of gave the impression that it's a pain in the ass for them, and then realize when they look at the receipt in the box, the K31 I just bought from AIM surplus was $89 plus shipping, in better condition than the $200 K31 hanging on their wall. They realize that the internet is slowly fazing out the local gun shop. Everything Gun related can generally now be found cheaper, that's just the way it is.  |
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Posted: 3/22/2006 8:41:53 AM EDT
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No, they are not STUPID, they are ASSHOLES. BATF Has never sent out any letters regarding terrorism and firearm transfers. Only Letter they ever sent was in regards to powder purchases and to be aware of any unusual quantities or persons that don't appear to have any reloading knowlege buying quanities. They simply don't want your transfer business. Run your zipcode on Gunbroker.com and see if a transfering dealer close to you comes up. |
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Posted: 3/22/2006 8:44:29 AM EDT
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Actually aren’t they hurting their business, if there business sold the things I was looking for or even offered them I would buy there. They will make money off the transfer fees of the countless guns they could transfer in. I would understand if I was trying to have something transferred that they had in stock but that is simply not the case.
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Posted: 3/22/2006 8:45:51 AM EDT
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Wow, that just seems to be a whole new level of stupidity. |
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Posted: 3/22/2006 8:52:10 AM EDT
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+1 on the comment above I raise the flag  (for your FFL) for the story he told you. |
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Posted: 3/22/2006 8:52:44 AM EDT
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I agree with you. When I have done a couple transfers, I usually buy $30 bucks of ammo from the dealer as a courtesy for taking the time to help me out. It sounds like these dealers which the original poster is dealing with are full of shit. |
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Posted: 3/22/2006 8:56:24 AM EDT
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Until there are no FFLs left to receive the transfers.
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Posted: 3/22/2006 9:44:24 AM EDT
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Paragraphs are your friend... |
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Posted: 3/22/2006 9:47:57 AM EDT
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Quoted: They realize that the internet is slowly fazing out the local gun shop. Everything Gun related can generally now be found cheaper, that's just the way it is. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Until there are no FFLs left to receive the transfers. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Number of Gun Dealers in U.S. Drops Almost 80 Percent—From 245,628 to 54,902—Since 1994, New VPC Report Reveals Then the libs will be happy! I checked Gunbroker.com and found a few names but I will not be able to check them out till this weekend. Thanks Guys Any one know how hard it is to get an FFL in TN ? |
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Posted: 3/22/2006 9:53:25 AM EDT
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With the renewel of my FFL this year. I had to sign a notorized document stating that I had to be a dick to all customers wanting cheap transfers.. As to the terrorism letter, Ill see if I can dig it up and scan it..
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Posted: 3/22/2006 10:02:51 AM EDT
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Am I the only one who found that comment unroariously funny? |
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Posted: 3/22/2006 10:13:54 AM EDT
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Yes. I did note it with some mild amusement though. |
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Posted: 3/22/2006 11:31:02 AM EDT
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We all know Timothy McVeigh was blue.
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Posted: 3/22/2006 11:37:24 AM EDT
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I saw the "white" remark, and taking it in context, I think that he was trying to say that he was not an Arab-looking terrorist type.
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Posted: 3/22/2006 11:44:24 AM EDT
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I have not seen any such letters or guidance. If you live in VA, I can help with Title 1 and 2 xfers.
Shameless plug Bomber |
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Posted: 3/22/2006 11:49:15 AM EDT
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Most of the FFLs around here are good guys. There are some real shitheads out there though.
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Posted: 3/22/2006 11:58:17 AM EDT
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I like my FFL, the FFL is a sideline for him,he loves any transfer he can get.
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Posted: 3/22/2006 12:04:46 PM EDT
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There is a local dealer here who charges about $35.00 for a transfer, but then tries to add sales tax to the total that you paid for it. I wouldn't mind buying from the local shops if their prices weren't so rediculous.
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Posted: 3/22/2006 1:09:58 PM EDT
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I live next to an FFL. He deals out of his dining room. Low fees and he holds my guns while I'm at college until I come home. I love my FFL. I went to grade school with his daughter. She's a looker!
 Find someone local and is NOT a store front. Give him as much business as you can afford and as many referrals as you have friends. Within a few months, you'll find your FFL liking you and cutting you some pretty sweet deals thus saving you money in the long run. |
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Posted: 3/22/2006 1:30:43 PM EDT
[#25]
exactly |
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Posted: 3/22/2006 1:33:29 PM EDT
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Ask your HTF for suggestions of an FFL to use or lookup FFL's on the online firearms auction sites.
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Posted: 3/22/2006 1:43:00 PM EDT
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I have heard of no such letter from the ATF either. We just incorporate the internet as a giant warehouse and charge $50.00 per transfer( high property taxes ).
 I think they are just afraid ofthis new sales medium. |
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Posted: 3/22/2006 1:48:02 PM EDT
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I have no problem with 20 or 30 bucks for a transfer because my local gun shop is in business to make money. I WANT them to stay in business. If they refused, I'd spend NOTHING there tho because they know I always peruse the shop at least once a week and I buy there also.
I am cheesed at one of the local FFLs I've done business with in the PAST tho. He gave my personal info [name address, phone#, company cell,] to his sister who sells insurance. I had to deal with some bitch who was trying to sell me whole life and everything else under the sun when I already have a better policy then she could EVER offer. Won't be doing any more business with him unfortunately, as I consider that a breach of business ettiquete. [Numbers were NOT listed BTW]. He'll probably lose a fair amount as part of his business WAS receiving new and used firearms for customer, and his firearms stock is quite small. |
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Posted: 3/22/2006 2:02:51 PM EDT
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It took me nearly 2 years to find a good ffl dealer. I support his business 100% am a loyal customer.
Where are the friendly transfer ffls? Gosh, I know I have sent and received numerous firearms via my ffl. The others who were a$$holes, tried to rip me off for $50 per transfer, and didn't care about my business, can kick themselves for thier bad business practice. |
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Posted: 3/22/2006 2:12:26 PM EDT
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It depends. I worked at a shop that did transfers but it was really more of a service to our better customers. It was a time consuming PITA for the most part and not worth the $25. In many cases it impeded our operations dealing with 5-15 transfers a day when we had our own stock to get on the shelves. Between the 5 or more consignment guns comming daily, the 5-10 or so trades comming in and the 10-25 guns = holsters, ammo and eveything else coming in, a $25 transfer was a hinderance and often times we did not do them. We were still smart in that we were cool witha few other shops, we sent them there. |
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Posted: 3/22/2006 2:13:39 PM EDT
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I hope I'm wrong but I thought you had to have a store front (with regular business hours) in order to get a ffl. |
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Posted: 3/22/2006 5:23:20 PM EDT
[#32]
Been a FFL for years and no such letter exists. They simply don't want to do transfers, which is fine but they don't need to lie about it. Find someone who does or special order it from a local gunstore that doesn't lie to you. |
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Posted: 3/22/2006 5:24:49 PM EDT
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That is what my best customers do to me. |
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Posted: 3/22/2006 8:54:35 PM EDT
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I'm sick of going to gunstores/pawn shops and having them tell me:
A.) We don't do out of shop tranfers (Fuck you, good bye.). B.) $40+ for each transfer (Thanks, but no thanks.). |
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Posted: 3/22/2006 9:14:37 PM EDT
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Gunbroker.com list 17 gun dealers who will do internet transfers within 20 miles of Knoxville, and 5 within 20 miles of Morristown.
Auctionarms.com has 6 in Knoxville, and 5 in Morrsitown listed to do transfers. It really can't be that hard to find one for yourself. |
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Posted: 3/22/2006 9:26:25 PM EDT
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Get your own FFL and put them out of business. |
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Posted: 3/22/2006 9:26:25 PM EDT
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My FFL is actually a place that sells body piercing jewelry on the internet that happens to have a FFL. I don't have to worry about them wanting me to buy from them because they don't have anything to sell me! They are really nice people too. If you are in the SLC, UT area, I highly recommend Pro X Inc. $20 for transfers, easy and efficient.
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Posted: 3/23/2006 4:46:58 AM EDT
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What kind of reception would you get if you went into a new car dealer and asked them to register the car you just purchased on line? After all, they do register cars as a service to folks who purchased cars from them. Should they be compelled to register your car for you, for the price you want to pay. Most shops are in business to sell guns, not to transfer them. Most shops that do transfers, consider it a service, not a revenue stream. If you have a dealer who wants more than you are ready to pay for a transfer, do what you would do with anything else.......take your business elsewhere. I'm not trying to be a dick about it (actually I charge a very reasonable amount for transfers), but just because some one has an FFL doesn't mean they have to do transfers of items they didn't sell. They have no obligation what so ever and crying about it on the internet is sad. And to answer your question, there are good FFLs out there but as many as there used to be. You have Bill Clinton to thank for that. Bomber |
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Posted: 3/23/2006 4:48:11 AM EDT
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Posted: 3/23/2006 4:53:40 AM EDT
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NO! There are plenty of home dealers - it just has to be okay with your local zoning. So, most urban areas will have stricter zoning and not allow home-based businesses, but some rural counties/cities have no zoning, thus no restrictions. |
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Posted: 3/23/2006 4:56:15 AM EDT
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Wowsers! That's one hell of a line!
The BATFE has NEVER written such a letter. In fact, the last letter I remember is the one where the BATFE allows faxing of FFL licenses specifically to facilitate transfers between states. Generally the best way to handle transfers is to cultivate a relationship with a particular FFL and to give him lots of buisness. Then he will most likely handle whatever you want no problem. |
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Posted: 3/23/2006 5:05:40 AM EDT
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The last one was information on the new enlarged FFL number to increase legibility of the FFL number on fax copies.
absolutely! |
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Posted: 3/23/2006 5:10:07 AM EDT
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We all know Timothy McVeigh was a patsy to Arabs. Sheesh, Ed, don't you even read ARFCOM?
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Posted: 3/23/2006 5:23:38 AM EDT
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I finally had to call bullshi'ite on my regular FFL dealer. I went in to schedule a transfer from out of state and he told me that he would need a copy of the invoice for his records, new BATFE rule, blah blah blah...
THEN when the gun came in (P220 cop trade-in) he said "that'll be $20 for the transfer AND $40 for sales tax. New BATFE ruling, I have to book it into MY inventory and then sell it to YOU, blah, blah, blah..." I said wow, that's news to me! I'll check this out with Vern Wilson (not his real name), my buddy over at the state tax commission audit unit and see what he says about it, and then I left the store... ...Came back the next day and told the FFL, "Vern said that I was supposed to declare the purchase on a state user tax form and that you had no right to book anything I purchased into your inventory. Vern wil be in contact with you in the next couple of weeks to go over your BATFE ruling and clarify some state sales tax issues with you... It did cost me the sales tax, which had to be paid directly to the state for an out of state purchase, but it burned the FFL's tale and cost him a tax audit. He shouldn't have told people lies... |
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Posted: 3/23/2006 5:43:44 AM EDT
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