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Posted: 3/21/2006 9:28:02 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/21/2006 9:29:31 AM EDT by jchewie]
I am tiling my mud room / entry way. There was some scuzzy carpet there, so I tore that up last night and found a 4' x 4' sheet of what I'm assuming is asbestos. Silver gray 1/8 inch thick hard sheet. It was under the place where the previous owners had a wood burning stove. (I also found a few large burn marks in the subfloor where a coal or two really got away from them but that's another story.) I put on an N95 mask that fits well and has a tight seal and exhalation valve, pulled the nails around the perimeter that were holding the asbestos sheet down, and took it outside and double bagged it. It had cracked into three pieces sometime in the preceeding years, and I had to make a 2 inch break to get the sheet around a pipe. The sheet pretty much cracked when I did that - without huge dust clouds or anything. I vacuumed up the area afterwords, and will replace the filter in the vacuum (with dust mask on) today.

Did I give myself lung cancer? Or was this event more like spending the evening in a smoky tavern?
Link Posted: 3/21/2006 9:35:50 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/21/2006 9:42:47 AM EDT by JakeThePimp]
From what i understand, its the dust that gets you and that when it is in it hard form asbestos is rather benign. Remember that an installer that put that mat down prob. did so 5 days a week for 20+ years and was most likely smoking a cigarette when he did. You'll more then likely be OK.

-JTP
Link Posted: 3/21/2006 9:37:10 AM EDT
lung cancer is not an immediate threat, but asbestos exposure cause significant stiffening of lung tissues over time, something called fibrosis, as the fibers that imbed in your lungs are covered with scar tissue. ...breathing problems. i would imagine a single mild exposure wouldn't have too pronounced an effect, unless you were breathing clouds of the shit.
Link Posted: 3/21/2006 9:38:28 AM EDT
and since you did nearly all the work with a mask on, you're probably good to go.
Link Posted: 3/21/2006 9:40:11 AM EDT
Link Posted: 3/21/2006 9:40:26 AM EDT

Originally Posted By jchewie:
I am tiling my mud room / entry way. There was some scuzzy carpet there, so I tore that up last night and found a 4' x 4' sheet of what I'm assuming is asbestos. Silver gray 1/8 inch thick hard sheet. It was under the place where the previous owners had a wood burning stove. (I also found a few large burn marks in the subfloor where a coal or two really got away from them but that's another story.) I put on an N95 mask that fits well and has a tight seal and exhalation valve, pulled the nails around the perimeter that were holding the asbestos sheet down, and took it outside and double bagged it. It had cracked into three pieces sometime in the preceeding years, and I had to make a 2 inch break to get the sheet around a pipe. The sheet pretty much cracked when I did that - without huge dust clouds or anything. I vacuumed up the area afterwords, and will replace the filter in the vacuum (with dust mask on) today.

Did I give myself lung cancer? Or was this event more like spending the evening in a smoky tavern?



Dead man walkin'.

We're gonna split up your stuff.

(From what I understand the guys that got cancer and died from it did so after being exposed for YEARS to fine asbestos dust... You maybe shaved 10 minutes off your life... )
Link Posted: 3/21/2006 9:40:58 AM EDT
Most reputable sources (not a P.I. attorney) will tell you that it takes long term exposure to asbestos to have problems with it.

My dad tells me storys about when he worked at my grandfather's glue factory in the 50's. He would cut big bags of lose asbestos and dump it in a big vat with a cloud of dust coming up. He would throw clups of the stuff at his brother. He is still going strong.

Most cases of real asbestosis are from guys that had direct repeated contact with it for 20+ years.

Asbestos is not like a chemical that causes cancer. The fibers get caught in and scar the lung tissue and can, for some reason, act as a trigger for cancer. This takes more than a casual inhalation.
Link Posted: 3/21/2006 9:46:25 AM EDT
I had a Teacher that as a kid helped make humidors for one of the nieborhoods dads smal;l business, apperntly they would sometimes have asbestos fights where they would throw handfulls at each other and watch them explode as they hit one anoughter,

30 years later he's still about the healtiest person I know at his age.
Link Posted: 3/21/2006 9:50:17 AM EDT
The general consensus of a single or even a couple of minor exposures with some form of protective gear won't be harmful is what I figured, but the only stuff I could find on the great google was either doom and gloom or have a qualified asbestos abatement specialist remove it for you.

I know it does bad things to your lungs, and I also know the guy who owned the house prior to me died from lung related problems (he was hacking in a hospital bed when we looked at the house), but he and his wife were chain smokers for 60+ years.

Macman, my stuff is all going in a hole when I die, or to my kids if I have any.

Link Posted: 3/21/2006 9:53:30 AM EDT

Originally Posted By JBowles:
I had a Teacher that as a kid helped make humidors for one of the nieborhoods dads smal;l business, apperntly they would sometimes have asbestos fights where they would throw handfulls at each other and watch them explode as they hit one anoughter,

30 years later he's still about the healtiest person I know at his age.



The handfulls of asbestos that explode - the friable form - is something I have never seen.
Link Posted: 3/21/2006 10:02:13 AM EDT




The gray tile backer board is not asbestos. It is called Hardi Backer. That spelling
may not be correct as I dont like or use the stuff. Its so dense that its too
hard to hammer a ring nail through it. That may be a good test to find out what it is.
It does look like asbestos though. Take a sample of it to a tile store and the might
be able to tell you what it is.

Link Posted: 3/21/2006 10:04:04 AM EDT

Originally Posted By quarry_plinker:



The gray tile backer board is not asbestos. It is called Hardi Backer. That spelling
may not be correct as I dont like or use the stuff. Its so dense that its too
hard to hammer a ring nail through it. That may be a good test to find out what it is.
It does look like asbestos though. Take a sample of it to a tile store and the might
be able to tell you what it is.




This was NOT hardibacker or any of the other tile substrates.
Link Posted: 3/21/2006 10:04:13 AM EDT

Originally Posted By jchewie:

Originally Posted By JBowles:
I had a Teacher that as a kid helped make humidors for one of the nieborhoods dads smal;l business, apperntly they would sometimes have asbestos fights where they would throw handfulls at each other and watch them explode as they hit one anoughter,

30 years later he's still about the healtiest person I know at his age.



The handfulls of asbestos that explode - the friable form - is something I have never seen.



No not really explode in flame or anything.

it just goes everywhere in a million little bits.
Link Posted: 3/21/2006 10:06:28 AM EDT
The primary purpose of the asbestos lawsuits was to make some lawyers wealthy. While the danger is real, it is grossly overstated.

"Remember, _______________ is about the money." The blank can be filled with about anything.
Link Posted: 3/21/2006 10:09:10 AM EDT

Originally Posted By JBowles:

Originally Posted By jchewie:

Originally Posted By JBowles:
I had a Teacher that as a kid helped make humidors for one of the nieborhoods dads smal;l business, apperntly they would sometimes have asbestos fights where they would throw handfulls at each other and watch them explode as they hit one anoughter,

30 years later he's still about the healtiest person I know at his age.



The handfulls of asbestos that explode - the friable form - is something I have never seen.



No not really explode in flame or anything.

it just goes everywhere in a million little bits.



Understood - I am visualizing a baseball size clump turning into a smoky powder with little fragments like a good hit on a clay pigeon.
Link Posted: 3/21/2006 10:13:59 AM EDT
Yeah thats what I understand it to of been like.
Link Posted: 3/21/2006 7:17:13 PM EDT

Originally Posted By jchewie:
The general consensus of a single or even a couple of minor exposures with some form of protective gear won't be harmful is what I figured, but the only stuff I could find on the great google was either doom and gloom or have a qualified asbestos abatement specialist remove it for you.



That's how i read it.



I know it does bad things to your lungs, and I also know the guy who owned the house prior to me died from lung related problems (he was hacking in a hospital bed when we looked at the house), but he and his wife were chain smokers for 60+ years.


I would chalk that up to the smoking...



Macman, my stuff is all going in a hole when I die, or to my kids if I have any.




pfffft.
[/writes jchewie out of my will]
Link Posted: 3/21/2006 8:04:31 PM EDT
I work around asbestos a lot, and I am required to make sure the workers are protected by federal law.
That being said most asbestos claims are to make a lawyer rich. In places out side the US where it is still mined studies have show that workers without respiratoy protection do not have health problems from it.
Think of the Radon scare of the 80's lawyers could not find a way to get rich off of it so it died out.
Most of these claims started in the gulf coast area where a group of laywers were able to bully their junk science into court.
If you live on a beach or sandy area you are exposed to silica which is said to cause silcossis. So do you sue because someone let you live at the beach?
I worry more about fiberglass, it's small fibers will enter the lungs and cut just like regular glass.
If you were exposed to the amount of asbestos that you posted you have nothing to worry about.
Link Posted: 3/21/2006 8:05:37 PM EDT
you're gonna die


can i have your guns?
Link Posted: 3/21/2006 10:04:37 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Napoleon_Tanerite:
you're gonna die


can i have your guns?



he doesn't own any guns, just airsoft.
Link Posted: 3/22/2006 4:12:57 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/22/2006 4:14:30 AM EDT by jchewie]

Originally Posted By lokt:

Originally Posted By Napoleon_Tanerite:
you're gonna die


can i have your guns?



he doesn't own any guns, just airsoft.



Hey.

You were the one who said you felt like a tool buying that PT92 Airsoft pistol!

It's actually the other way around - I don't own any airsoft - just guns.



Thanks for all the replies!
Link Posted: 3/22/2006 4:26:22 AM EDT
You are safe. The asbestos scare was just that. basically it is a bunch of shit to make lawyers rich and injure American business. Remember 9-11, had the steel been asbestos coated, more people may have survived.

Long term exposure can be risky, but simple measures like a 3M mask is fine. The frigging spacesuits that people wear to remove perfectly harmless, very functional asbestos insulation are a joke. Asbestos is a NATURALLY occurring substance. It is in soil, and does not breakdown. Plants that are eaten even have it in them, because they pick it up from soil...

Lawyers...... can we send them to Iran?
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