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Posted: 3/16/2006 8:16:44 PM EDT
http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/03/15/childporn.arrests/index.html

The Justice Department said the site's "host" was Royal Raymond Weller of Clarksville, Tennessee, who was arrested March 6.

I always thought he was weird, but i had no idea how much so. When we found out he got arrested we thought it was for solicitation of a prostitute(he's the type of guy that has to pay for it). then we found out it was for pornography(there's pretty much only 1 type of porn you get arrested for). Then the things he had said in the past started to make more sense. He always bragged about the thousands of dollars worth of cameras he had. He lived right next door to a cathlic school that my sister-in-law worked at. His job involved going into customers homes. If the allegations are true, and i beleive they are he deserves to rott in jail
Link Posted: 3/16/2006 8:20:49 PM EDT
I hope they make his ass bleed in prison, then dies a nice slow death at the end of a shank.
Link Posted: 3/16/2006 8:20:56 PM EDT
A guy I went to high school with was busted for child porn, found on his computer at WORK

Same place where I also work at now

How bout that?
Link Posted: 3/16/2006 8:24:40 PM EDT

rope. tree.
Link Posted: 3/16/2006 8:24:48 PM EDT
It's about the worst type of victimization there is, preying on the most vulnerable members of a society. No penalty these vermin receive (legal or otherwise) would cause me to lose a moment of sleep. In fact, I'd applaud those meting out the punishment.
Link Posted: 3/16/2006 8:29:42 PM EDT
People think they get it prison. I'm told that at Susanville (CA) the the child molesters have even formed their own gang for protection. The Chomo's.
Link Posted: 3/16/2006 8:31:11 PM EDT
THis whole "child porn" thing is weird to me. Prior to it getting mentioned on the news about the internet, the whole concept of "child porn" did'nt even enter my mind. When i first heard of "child porn" i thought it was regular porn makers that were trying to target teenager boys as thier next playboy customers, kinda like a "joe camel".Shows how much in denial a person can be if they dont want to accept the truth. Like they had legal models dressed up as cheerleaders or rock and roll groupies.
Link Posted: 3/16/2006 8:39:39 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/16/2006 8:40:36 PM EDT by PreMed_Gunner]

Originally Posted By geegee:
It's about the worst type of victimization there is, preying on the most vulnerable members of a society. No penalty these vermin receive (legal or otherwise) would cause me to lose a moment of sleep. In fact, I'd applaud those meting out the punishment.



what age would you say porn becomes "child porn"? 17,16, 15, or what years old? The reason I am asking is I know of a few 18 year olds that got arrested for "child porn" when all they had were pictures of their 16 year old girl friends.

EDIT: which is wierd, because technically it is legal for them to have sex with their girl friends, but it is illegal for them to have nude photos of their girlfriends
Link Posted: 3/16/2006 8:41:09 PM EDT
just found more on it

www.theleafchronicle.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060316/NEWS01/603160332/1002

Area man named in Internet porn ring
Royal Raymond Weller one of 27 in world charged in illegal chat room
By CHANTAL ESCOTO
The Leaf-Chronicle


Neighbors had no idea "G.O.D." lived in their Madison Street apartment complex or that he was connected with an international child pornography ring.

Royal Raymond Weller, 49, who lived in Hunter Chase Apartments, 1897 Madison St., Apt. No. E73, had a user name of "G.O.D." for the online child pornography chat room he operated from his apartment.

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According to an affidavit filed by the Department of Justice, Weller was host or owner of the Internet chat room known as "Kiddiepics & Kiddievids." The chat room's purpose was to act as a broker between others who wanted to trade child pornography. He operated through numerous levels of deceptions to evade authorities.

Weller was charged last week with distribution and receipt of child pornography and was just one of many arrested in the case. He remains in federal custody in Nashville.

Shirley Grant who lives across from Weller, an appliance repair man, said she never suspected he would be involved in child porn since he was quiet and kept to himself. She thought it odd, however, when she happened to look into his apartment one day and saw nothing but a computer on the floor.

"He didn't have any furniture," said Grant, a corrections officer who works for the state in Nashville. "I thought to myself, this guy doesn't have anything, but how can he afford a brand new Dell computer? I had no idea what he'd done until I heard it on the news and I said, 'Oh my God, that's my apartment building!'"

Delois McClendon lives upstairs from Weller and became concerned last week when she saw him taken into FBI custody on March 6.

"I went downstairs, and I saw all the (federal agents) and then I saw him come out handcuffed," McClendon said.

While she has no children, McClendon plans to become a foster parent in the future and was frightened someone of that criminal caliber lived so close.

"He was a nice guy — neighborly," she said. "You would have never known. It's scary."

The federal case
Most of the sexually explicit chat room discussions included bondage and bestiality with prepubescent children, according to the federal affidavit.

More than 1,000 child pornography files were reportedly found on Weller's computer and he had boasted to others he had millions of similar material. Officials said Weller preferred girls between the ages of 8 and 13.

In addition to Weller, 26 other people who were part of the pornography ring were picked up in nine other states and Canada, Australia and Great Britain, according to U.S. Attorney Alberto Gonzales, who announced the bust Wednesday.

If convicted, Weller could face five to 20 years in prison, prosecutors said.

Weller's 72-year-old mother, Doris Weller, said her never-married son was a good boy who ate dinner with his parents and three siblings every Sunday at their Hopkinsville, Ky., home.

"They were sensationalizing the whole thing," his mother said of federal prosecutors. "They just was out for blood. I could see if he had molested a child, them being that way, because that would have made it even worse. But he didn't do that."

Weller has never been in trouble with the law before, his mother said. There are no records of Weller ever being booked into jail in Hopkinsville, Clarksville or Nashville, where he once lived.

Doris Weller said she spoke to her son — who goes by "Ray" or "Raymond" and not the generations-old family name of "Royal" — after a preliminary hearing. He was "upset and crying" on the phone, she said.

"We've all been in a state of shock. The whole family's been in shock," she said. The family doesn't know what to believe about the charges, she said.

Family members plan to stand by him, she said, although Weller admitted he hosted the chat room when federal agents arrested him.

Standing outside his apartment as agents executed a search warrant, Weller told them he was "G.O.D." and that they would find hundreds of images and videos of child porn on his computer and hard drives, according to the warrant filed by Anthony Langeland, senior special agent with Immigration and Customs Enforcement.

They identified Weller as "G.O.D." in January after they were able to link him to an "IP number" assigned to him by his Internet provider, the warrant indicated.

"There were countless images of child pornography, many of them graphic in nature," Paul O'Brien, an assistant U.S. attorney in Nashville, said of the chat room. "Many photos showed very young children engaged in sexual activity against their will with adults."

Some live videos available through the chat room involved children much younger than 8 years old.

Chat room behavior
In indictments filed in Chicago, chat room participant Brian Annoreno, online name "Acidburn," is charged with sending live molestation videos that show him performing sex acts on an infant to another chat room participant.

In return, that participant sent Annoreno live videos of four children younger than 12 being molested and engaging in sexual activity, the indictments said.

"The behavior in these chat rooms — and the images many of these defendants sent around the world through 'peer-to-peer' file-sharing programs and private instant massaging services — are the worst imaginable forms of child pornography," Gonzales said in a prepared statement.

Seven victims of child molestation have been identified by the government, the youngest less than 18 months old, Gonzales said.

Prosecutors said the chat room has existed since at least April 2005. Investigators were able to infiltrate the room by using the online name of a former participant after he was arrested on Jan. 8. Agents have been investigating for several months, O'Brien said.

At times, there were 38 users chatting about what sorts of child porn images they'd like to look at.

Gannett News Service reporters Bonna de la Cruz and Sheila Burke contributed to this report. Chantal Escoto can be reached by telephone at 245-0216 or by e-mail at chantalescoto@theleafchronicle.com.


Originally published March 16, 2006


Link Posted: 3/16/2006 8:47:09 PM EDT
One day I'm going to look God in the eye and feel bad enough for the dumb things I've done.


Thank goodness I'm not going to be in that sick son-of-a-bitch's shoes. There's not going to be a hole deep enough to crawl into...
Link Posted: 3/16/2006 8:47:56 PM EDT

Originally Posted By builttoughf250:
rope. piano wire. tree.



I fixed it for you.
Link Posted: 3/16/2006 8:52:40 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/16/2006 8:53:26 PM EDT by PreMed_Gunner]

Originally Posted By JoeyP:
just found more on it

www.theleafchronicle.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060316/NEWS01/603160332/1002

Area man named in Internet porn ring
Royal Raymond Weller one of 27 in world charged in illegal chat room
By CHANTAL ESCOTO
The Leaf-Chronicle


The federal case
Most of the sexually explicit chat room discussions included bondage and bestiality with prepubescent children, according to the federal affidavit.

More than 1,000 child pornography files were reportedly found on Weller's computer and he had boasted to others he had millions of similar material. Officials said Weller preferred girls between the ages of 8 and 13.
sick fucker, I could understand somewhat if he had porn that was actually legal in some other country(in Germany, the age cut-off is 14 years old); there is just no way any sane man could actually find an 8 year old attractive.

If convicted, Weller could face five to 20 years in prison, prosecutors said.
not enough for this fucker, he should burn

"They were sensationalizing the whole thing," his mother said of federal prosecutors. "They just was out for blood. I could see if he had molested a child, them being that way, because that would have made it even worse. But he didn't do that."
sadly, she does have a point; at what point do you make possession of something a criminal act?

"We've all been in a state of shock. The whole family's been in shock," she said. The family doesn't know what to believe about the charges, she said.

Family members plan to stand by him, she said, although Weller admitted he hosted the chat room when federal agents arrested him.

If any of my relatives were busted on child porn charges and they openly confessed to it, I would be the one to beat the shit out of him.

Standing outside his apartment as agents executed a search warrant, Weller told them he was "G.O.D." and that they would find hundreds of images and videos of child porn on his computer and hard drives, according to the warrant filed by Anthony Langeland, senior special agent with Immigration and Customs Enforcement.

They identified Weller as "G.O.D." in January after they were able to link him to an "IP number" assigned to him by his Internet provider, the warrant indicated.

thankfully, this dumbfuck didn't use web proxy servers.

"There were countless images of child pornography, many of them graphic in nature," Paul O'Brien, an assistant U.S. attorney in Nashville, said of the chat room. "Many photos showed very young children engaged in sexual activity against their will with adults."

"against their will with adults", like there is any other type of fucking sex between an adult and child (I will discount APA studies that show that sexual encounters between adults and children are not always harmful because I really don't like psychologists).

"The behavior in these chat rooms — and the images many of these defendants sent around the world through 'peer-to-peer' file-sharing programs and private instant massaging services — are the worst imaginable forms of child pornography," Gonzales said in a prepared statement.

sadly, pedophiles are going to ruin P2P for the rest of us Americans by getting it banned... for the sake of the children.


Link Posted: 3/16/2006 8:52:51 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Va_Dinger:
I hope they make his ass bleed in prison, then dies a nice slow death at the end of a shank.



He earned his own kharma. So, let the predator get his just desserts.
Link Posted: 3/16/2006 9:04:21 PM EDT

Originally Posted By PreMed_Gunner:

Originally Posted By geegee:
It's about the worst type of victimization there is, preying on the most vulnerable members of a society. No penalty these vermin receive (legal or otherwise) would cause me to lose a moment of sleep. In fact, I'd applaud those meting out the punishment.



what age would you say porn becomes "child porn"? 17,16, 15, or what years old? The reason I am asking is I know of a few 18 year olds that got arrested for "child porn" when all they had were pictures of their 16 year old girl friends.

EDIT: which is wierd, because technically it is legal for them to have sex with their girl friends, but it is illegal for them to have nude photos of their girlfriends


I know it varies from state to state, but if a person is legally considered an adolescent in their state, and therefore not old enough to make a legal consenual choice to participate in a sexual act, then I suppose that would qualify. That said, I'm sure we all are aware that there are teenagers in high school that would be more than willing to consent to such movies, but I'm still comfortable with where I set the bar. One thing is for sure however, and that is that any child not even in their teen years is being victimized. Unfortunately, I suspect that there are more of them caught up in this business than the previously referred to high school teenagers. Most shocking and sickening to me is the frequent use of toddlers and pre-teens in these movies.
Link Posted: 3/16/2006 9:11:19 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/16/2006 9:11:51 PM EDT by PreMed_Gunner]

Originally Posted By geegee:

Originally Posted By PreMed_Gunner:

Originally Posted By geegee:
It's about the worst type of victimization there is, preying on the most vulnerable members of a society. No penalty these vermin receive (legal or otherwise) would cause me to lose a moment of sleep. In fact, I'd applaud those meting out the punishment.



what age would you say porn becomes "child porn"? 17,16, 15, or what years old? The reason I am asking is I know of a few 18 year olds that got arrested for "child porn" when all they had were pictures of their 16 year old girl friends.

EDIT: which is wierd, because technically it is legal for them to have sex with their girl friends, but it is illegal for them to have nude photos of their girlfriends


I know it varies from state to state, but if a person is legally considered an adolescent in their state, and therefore not old enough to make a legal consenual choice to participate in a sexual act, then I suppose that would qualify. That said, I'm sure we all are aware that there are teenagers in high school that would be more than willing to consent to such movies, but I'm still comfortable with where I set the bar. One thing is for sure however, and that is that any child not even in their teen years is being victimized. Unfortunately, I suspect that there are more of them caught up in this business than the previously referred to high school teenagers. Most shocking and sickening to me is the frequent use of toddlers and pre-teens in these movies.



Indeed, that last part is what makes me absolutely sick. I personally know quite a few pretty well developed and sexually active 14 and 15 year olds, and personally don't think too much about it if they are involved with 18-19 year olds, beyond the fact that those guys must be pretty lame in bed to be ogling after 14 year olds; however, before 14, almost all chicks are still in the beginning/middle stages of puberty, and are what I definitely consider "kids", and I definitely have a problem with 18-19 year olds going out with them(I have two 12 year old sisters, and I would definitely kill any fucker that tried to get involved sexually with them).
Link Posted: 3/16/2006 10:14:56 PM EDT

Interestingly enough, one of my best friends was asked to sit on a jury for a 30-something man charged with 20 counts of making and distributing child porn. His 16 year old niece wanted to be in Playboy, so he took some semi-nude/nude photos of her on his camera. (They were Playboy-esque) He sent her the pictures and her mom found out, called the cops.

The prosecutor wanted him to get twenty years. The girl was in the court room and looked as if she had accidentally blown up a bus full of puppies and nuns. She didn't want this to happen to him. Mom was out for blood.

Everyone on the jury wanted him to burn at the stake except my friend and one other guy. "Lock him away, think of the children! Didn't you hear what he did? He was making kiddie porn with his niece!" It took them three days to convince the jurors that he was a decent guy that was trying to help out his niece and got nailed for it.

As disgusting as guys like G.O.D. are, lets not paint everyone with the same brush. After all, if you used a handgun in Washington D.C. to kill a potential rapist, YOU would be the one on taking the stand as a MURDERER!

Link Posted: 3/16/2006 10:19:28 PM EDT
Hang em High.
Link Posted: 3/16/2006 10:26:01 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/16/2006 10:27:39 PM EDT by blacklisted]
I don't think there is a set limit for "child porn" other than the law. I think that the definition depends on what you consider a child. I think anyone who is not physically AND mentally mature is a child. Of course, everyone matures differently. I guess I would say 16, but I've met plenty of 16 year old girls that were extremely (mentally) immature. I guess since I'm 18 I can't be very objective on this topic.

Guys like this should get the needle.
Link Posted: 3/16/2006 10:29:28 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/16/2006 10:33:08 PM EDT by Zack3g]

Originally Posted By JoeyP:
just found more on it

www.theleafchronicle.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060316/NEWS01/603160332/1002

Area man named in Internet porn ring
Royal Raymond Weller one of 27 in world charged in illegal chat room
By CHANTAL ESCOTO
The Leaf-Chronicle


Neighbors had no idea "G.O.D." lived in their Madison Street apartment complex or that he was connected with an international child pornography ring.

Royal Raymond Weller, 49, who lived in Hunter Chase Apartments, 1897 Madison St., Apt. No. E73, had a user name of "G.O.D." for the online child pornography chat room he operated from his apartment.

snip






Holy crap, I lived in those apartments when I worked for AT&T in Clarksville. Small world.
Link Posted: 3/16/2006 11:29:17 PM EDT

Originally Posted By blacklisted:
I don't think there is a set limit for "child porn" other than the law. I think that the definition depends on what you consider a child. I think anyone who is not physically AND mentally mature is a child. Of course, everyone matures differently. I guess I would say 16, but I've met plenty of 16 year old girls that were extremely (mentally) immature. I guess since I'm 18 I can't be very objective on this topic.

Guys like this should get the needle.



You just made me think of an interesting thing, Did'nt technically all men have "illegal fantasties"??? I mean think about it. When i was 14 i wanted nothing more than to diddile these 14 year old chicks i knew. I even have fond memories of all that stuff. But now becuase i am 32 i could go to jail for that, even though at one time it was "normal" Or how about this, suppose your were 15 and you took pictures of your 14 YO girl friend naked and you tucked it away for good memories. Now your 21, it that picture now officially "illegal"??? Also i remeber when i was 18, most of the girls over 18 wanted nothing to do with me they wanted a "mature man" and there are only so many 18 yo girls to go around so i also had an interest in girls between -15-17 but technically is'nt that illegal as well? It just seems to me now that i look back on it that that the way our legal system is set up that boys 18-21 are in danger of "rape" simply because of the way our culture is. Now that im 32 i want nothing to do with teen girls simply becuas they are so fucking stupid and annoying but still i wonder how many 18 yo boys get arrested for "child molestation" cause they dated a 16 year old girl, I knew plenty of guys who dated 16 y olds when they were 18.
Link Posted: 3/17/2006 12:15:16 AM EDT

Originally Posted By builttoughf250:
rope. tree.



+1
Link Posted: 3/17/2006 1:15:35 AM EDT

Originally Posted By JoeyP:
..... If the allegations are true, and i beleive they are he deserves to rott in jail





These kinds vile loathsome parasites are usually killed in prison. It may take some time, but in most cases they don't live all that long once in. If they do, they are either in protected areas, or they are bought and sold for cartons of ciggarettes on a regular basis.
Link Posted: 3/17/2006 2:31:30 AM EDT


The way LEO talks about these freaks, they need to burn to get the blow torch and pliers routine.

I understand being attracted to young women -- but these freaks were apparerently perpetrating freaks.

On CNN, they said that admittance into the ring required actually performing a child molestation on cameria to prove they weren't LEO.

Link Posted: 3/17/2006 2:56:12 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/17/2006 2:58:10 AM EDT by TheOtherDave]
Originally Posted By Va_Dinger:
I hope they make his ass bleed in prison, then dies a nice slow death at the end of a shankLONG BLACK POLE.

There, that's better!
Link Posted: 3/17/2006 3:50:40 AM EDT

Originally Posted By PreMed_Gunner:

"They were sensationalizing the whole thing," his mother said of federal prosecutors. "They just was out for blood. I could see if he had molested a child, them being that way, because that would have made it even worse. But he didn't do that."

sadly, she does have a point; at what point do you make possession of something a criminal act?





She does not have a point.
The guy had thousands of files on his computer, and he was hosting a site that allowed those files to be shared with others.
Link Posted: 3/17/2006 4:04:09 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/17/2006 4:04:54 AM EDT by ZitiForBreakfast]
Dang.

Hang 'em high.

Even if he didn't 'touch' any kids. The files alone that were shared aided someone else sick perversion and possible rape of a child.

You never know who these sicko's are. That's why I keep everyone a good arms length away from my kids.

Link Posted: 3/17/2006 4:04:41 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/17/2006 4:06:26 AM EDT by JIMBEAM]
Slightly OT


We fired a guy for poor performance. He filed a discrimination lawsuit. When his laptop was examined we found little boy porn. I suggested a call to the FBI or to his wife as responce to his lawsuit. My bosses didn't agree. Other people used his computer and since I didn't see the porn myself I don't think their is much I can do but this guy works and lives in a small community so I wouldn't be suprise if word gets out.



Link Posted: 3/17/2006 4:22:06 AM EDT

Originally Posted By gardenWeasel:

Originally Posted By PreMed_Gunner:

"They were sensationalizing the whole thing," his mother said of federal prosecutors. "They just was out for blood. I could see if he had molested a child, them being that way, because that would have made it even worse. But he didn't do that."

sadly, she does have a point; at what point do you make possession of something a criminal act?





She does not have a point.
The guy had thousands of files on his computer, and he was hosting a site that allowed those files to be shared with others.



Yeah, poor mama apparently didn't read the CNN article


"An indictment of three people allegedly involved in the chat room states that the host of the chat room used the screen name "G.O.D." One of those charged -- an Edmonton, Alberta, man who used the screen name "Big_Daddy619" -- allegedly distributed live videos of himself molesting the four children younger than 12."
Link Posted: 3/17/2006 4:24:10 AM EDT

Originally Posted By JoeyP:
If the allegations are true, and i beleive they are he deserves to rott in jail hell




Hell is spelled h-e-l-l.

Link Posted: 3/17/2006 5:38:51 AM EDT
If I was the king of the world, these guys would get no trials, no lengthy jail stays, nothing.

The FBI would confirm their guilt, take them behind the police station, and put a bullet into their brain pans.

The way I see it, I'd rather give them a quick death, because Hell is going to be far more painful than any torture I could devise.

-James
Link Posted: 3/17/2006 5:42:48 AM EDT

Originally Posted By ramy98:

Originally Posted By builttoughf250:
rope. tree.



+1



You're both WRONG!

In this modern and civilized day we live in we need to use our technological advances to assure the tasks of today are carried out in a way that shows..........

<­BR>



ah fuck it where's my rope
Link Posted: 3/17/2006 6:27:51 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/17/2006 6:40:00 AM EDT by ArmdLbrl]

Originally Posted By ZitiForBreakfast:
Dang.

Hang 'em high.

Even if he didn't 'touch' any kids. The files alone that were shared aided someone else sick perversion and possible rape of a child.

You never know who these sicko's are. That's why I keep everyone a good arms length away from my kids.




Thats assuming that he, or any of the other people did anything.

I have gotten real jaded about "child porn" ring arrests. Because all too often in a few months or next year you will find back on the bottom of page B24 a two inch collum about "Charges Dismissed in Child Sex Case"

Usually it revolves around a inability to prove the ages of the girls in the photographs. Or even if they can be found, getting them to tesify. Actually, that is being charitable to the prosecution. All to often after making a big public display the photographs are found not to meet the standards set forth by the US vs Dost decision and then incorporated in Orren Hatches 1996 Child Pornography Prevention Act, which is now United States Code Title 18 Part 1 Chapter 110 Section 2256


There are idiot prosecutors who will try to prosecute someone for taking a nude picture of their toddler taking their first bath... and it the wording of the law does not help...


"any visual depiction, including any photograph, film, video, picture, drawing or computer or computer-generated image or picture, which is produced by electronic, mechanical or other means, of sexually explicit conduct, where:
(1) its production involved the use of a minor engaging in sexually explicit conduct, or;
(2) such visual depiction is, or appears to be, of a minor engaging in sexually explicit conduct;
(3) such visual depiction has been created, adapted or modified to appear that an `identifiable minor’ is engaging in sexually explicit conduct; or
(4) it is advertised, distributed, promoted or presented in such a manner as to
convey the impression that it is a visual depiction of a minor engaging in sexually explicit conduct."
For the purposes of this chapter, the term -
(1) ''minor'' means any person under the age of eighteen years;
(2) ''sexually explicit conduct'' means actual or simulated -
(A) sexual intercourse, including genital-genital, oral-genital, anal-genital, or oral-anal, whether between persons of the same or opposite sex;
(B) bestiality;
(C) masturbation;
(D) sadistic or masochistic abuse; or
(E) lascivious exhibition of the genitals or pubic area;



Granted some of the above ARE obvious, like violence, bestiality and intercourse.
However determining age from photographs, especially of women, (i.e. meeting the 'identifiable minor' clause) and defining "lascivious exibition" or sometimes even masterbation (is that hand fondling the genitals or covering them? for example).

Child porn and child abuse are too popular with the media for elected prosicutors to avoid tackling, unfortunaely that creates a positive feedback cycle that leads to badly chosen prosecutions. And frankly it doesnt matter where you put the bar, the issue is so hot button that prosecutors will bend the law to prove they are "protecting children" and curry votes.
Link Posted: 3/17/2006 6:56:49 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Va_Dinger:
I hope they make his ass bleed in prison, then dies a nice slow death at the end of a shank.



what he said
Link Posted: 3/17/2006 7:04:37 AM EDT
Hopefully the Sisters will give him special treatment when he gets to his Shawshank.

Anybody get to to you yet??
Link Posted: 3/17/2006 7:05:15 AM EDT
Link Posted: 3/17/2006 7:08:43 AM EDT
That's some crazy shit.
Link Posted: 3/17/2006 7:09:38 AM EDT
FWIW, (And here's Pic, being slow to hang somebody, as usual)

I really have a few questions regarding child porn in general.

Some years back, a certain Traci Lords burst onto the porn scene at the ripe old age of 17. She got into the business with forged birth data.

Fine.

Some time later, her REAL DOB came out and a lot of people, that in good faith it was legal had bought or rented her videos wound up in deep shit.

As usual, it was some poor bastard that had rented/bought/whatever unknowingly that got their crank caugght in a ringer.

As usual, the circumstances should be investigated before the guy gets hung.

If he really is guilty(and he very well might be) send the bastard to jail.
Link Posted: 3/17/2006 7:44:49 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/17/2006 11:09:15 AM EDT by JohnTheTexican]

Originally Posted By geegee:

Originally Posted By PreMed_Gunner:

Originally Posted By geegee:
It's about the worst type of victimization there is, preying on the most vulnerable members of a society. No penalty these vermin receive (legal or otherwise) would cause me to lose a moment of sleep. In fact, I'd applaud those meting out the punishment.



what age would you say porn becomes "child porn"? 17,16, 15, or what years old? The reason I am asking is I know of a few 18 year olds that got arrested for "child porn" when all they had were pictures of their 16 year old girl friends.

EDIT: which is wierd, because technically it is legal for them to have sex with their girl friends, but it is illegal for them to have nude photos of their girlfriends


I know it varies from state to state, but if a person is legally considered an adolescent in their state, and therefore not old enough to make a legal consenual choice to participate in a sexual act, then I suppose that would qualify. That said, I'm sure we all are aware that there are teenagers in high school that would be more than willing to consent to such movies, but I'm still comfortable with where I set the bar. One thing is for sure however, and that is that any child not even in their teen years is being victimized. Unfortunately, I suspect that there are more of them caught up in this business than the previously referred to high school teenagers. Most shocking and sickening to me is the frequent use of toddlers and pre-teens in these movies.



I worked for a federal appellate judge many years back, and one case we had involved a guy who liked to take nudie pictures and make home movies. He checked with the local cops and they told him that the age of consent in Texas was 17, so as long as the girl was 17, it was legal. So he advertised in the paper for models and specified that they had to be at least 17. Before he'd do a shoot, he photocopied the girls so he'd have proof she was at least 17.

You can imagine how surprised he was when the feds came for him and charged him with possession of child pornography. All that documentation that he kept on the models' ages gave the feds all the proof they needed to send him off to Club Fed. The state age of consent is irrelevant. You can have sex with a 17 year old in Texas, but if you take pictures, it's a federal felony. If the person in the picture is under 18, it child pornography. Downloading a few dirty pictures can get you up to five years in the federal pen for the first offense, and producing or distributing will get you up to 15 for the first offense.

BTW-- The guy was convicted, sent to the federal pen, and lost his appeal. The fact that he thought he was obeying the law made no difference.
Link Posted: 3/17/2006 8:11:03 AM EDT
This reminds me of some girls a briefly dated many years ago when I was 21.

One was a girl who lived in my apartment complex. Nice girl, very attractive, went to the same university as me, etc. Anyway, right after we start dating I find out that she's 17 years old! Not only was she 17, but she'd only turned 17 a week or two before we began dating!

Nothing sexual had happened between us, but still alarms went off in my head. All it would take was for someone to accuse me of improper conduct and I'd be in big trouble. It hurt me to do it, but I felt it was wise to back out of the relationship.

A few months later I met another girl (who ended up competing for Miss Utah the next year) who really liked me. She'd told me that she was 18 so we went out a couple of times. Anyway, on the first date she admitted to lying about her age and that she was really 17. This girl really wanted me and again the alarms went off in my head about potential trouble, so once again I sadly had to back out of the relationship.

Sometimes it's better to simply avoid these potential traps.
Link Posted: 3/17/2006 8:18:27 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Va_Dinger:
I hope they make his ass bleed in prison, then dies a nice slow death at the end of a shank.



Sounds reasonable to me.
Link Posted: 3/17/2006 8:47:34 AM EDT

Originally Posted By PreMed_Gunner:
"They were sensationalizing the whole thing," his mother said of federal prosecutors. "They just was out for blood. I could see if he had molested a child, them being that way, because that would have made it even worse. But he didn't do that."
sadly, she does have a point; at what point do you make possession of something a criminal act?




Bullshit. He had pictures of children being molested. He is part of a market that creates a demand for such things.

If there weren't people like him out there, there would be no demand for such things. He made the choice to go out and look for this shit, and, even worse, he created and maintained a place where others like him could go to trade porn.

There was nothing to stop this guy from getting help, and nothing forcing him to encourage child molestation. I'd bet that there are thousands of pedophiles who go to their graves without ever participating in the victimization of a child.

Think about your question. The point that possesion of these images becomes a criminal act is when an innocent child has to be victimized or molested for them to be made. For every image of an adult having sex with a child out there, there is a child somewhere that was raped. If you take action that encourages someone to molest a child, you are a criminal of the worst kind.
Link Posted: 3/17/2006 9:05:19 AM EDT
They just busted a dude in AZ that was a part of the same ring as JoeyP's co-worker. He was remanded to his wife's custody AFTER SHE POSTED HIS $250,000 DOLLAR BOND!!!! I am going to assume she put the house, the car and the dog up for collataeral but who the hell knows. What blew my mind was that the WIFE PUT UP THE FRIGGIN BOND FOR THIS FILTH BAG!!!!

Anyhow, this ring had at least 2,000 members world wide. Quite a few in the states, some in Canada ( one still on the lam ) and others in England and Autstralia.

Hope they all burn.
Link Posted: 3/17/2006 9:21:53 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/17/2006 9:23:30 AM EDT by Shane333]

Originally Posted By desertmoon:
They just busted a dude in AZ that was a part of the same ring as JoeyP's co-worker. He was remanded to his wife's custody AFTER SHE POSTED HIS $250,000 DOLLAR BOND!!!! I am going to assume she put the house, the car and the dog up for collataeral but who the hell knows. What blew my mind was that the WIFE PUT UP THE FRIGGIN BOND FOR THIS FILTH BAG!!!!

Anyhow, this ring had at least 2,000 members world wide. Quite a few in the states, some in Canada ( one still on the lam ) and others in England and Autstralia.

Hope they all burn.



2000!

Creepy.

Edited to add: Why are people looking at children anyway when adult women with figures are so much more attractive?
Link Posted: 3/17/2006 9:28:30 AM EDT

Originally Posted By desertmoon:
They just busted a dude in AZ that was a part of the same ring as JoeyP's co-worker. He was remanded to his wife's custody AFTER SHE POSTED HIS $250,000 DOLLAR BOND!!!! I am going to assume she put the house, the car and the dog up for collataeral but who the hell knows. What blew my mind was that the WIFE PUT UP THE FRIGGIN BOND FOR THIS FILTH BAG!!!!

Anyhow, this ring had at least 2,000 members world wide. Quite a few in the states, some in Canada ( one still on the lam ) and others in England and Autstralia.

Hope they all burn.



She was probably in on it. Arrest the bitch.
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