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Posted: 3/15/2006 5:00:26 PM EDT
I guess I would if I had to. The way I see it, I'm paying for 'em now while I'm working so I might as well take 'em if I ever lose my job.

What say y'all?
Link Posted: 3/15/2006 5:01:24 PM EDT
I would never go on foodstamps.
Link Posted: 3/15/2006 5:02:37 PM EDT
If I needed to yes.
Link Posted: 3/15/2006 5:02:39 PM EDT

Originally Posted By adair_usmc:
I would never go on foodstamps.



Why not?
Link Posted: 3/15/2006 5:03:07 PM EDT
Foodstamps are for libtard losers and illegal aliens.
Link Posted: 3/15/2006 5:03:58 PM EDT
If it was between food in my kids belly or going hungry, damn straight I would.
Link Posted: 3/15/2006 5:04:26 PM EDT

Originally Posted By 89grand:
Foodstamps are for libtard losers and illegal aliens.


While I plan to avoid it, if I had to I would simply because it's my money.
It's like collecting unemployment, it's your money.
Trouble is, being a single white guy, I'm not sure I could get food stamps.
Link Posted: 3/15/2006 5:05:19 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/15/2006 5:07:07 PM EDT by DK-Prof]
Never.


My wife and I qualified for food stamps, EIC and all kinds of goodies when we were both Ph.D. student, and we never took any of it.

If I "needed" it, I would borrow money, and then pay it back. In fact, my wife is still paying back student loans from graduate school.
Link Posted: 3/15/2006 5:05:41 PM EDT
yes...
Link Posted: 3/15/2006 5:05:53 PM EDT
Why can't I get a job? I'd rather get a job.
Link Posted: 3/15/2006 5:06:04 PM EDT
I would work at chinamart first followed by a job at McPukes. Hard not to find a job even if it is hard to find a GOOD job.
Link Posted: 3/15/2006 5:06:19 PM EDT
I prepare so I don't need em.

Link Posted: 3/15/2006 5:07:05 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Oslow:
Why can't I get a job? I'd rather get a job.



Say you've got a job...two jobs, but times are tough and they don't pay enough for you to pay the rent and buy groceries.
Link Posted: 3/15/2006 5:07:47 PM EDT
I was out of work for 4 years because of an work injury, and I didn't get food stamps, welfare or anything besides 6k from L and I. We ate, we didn't eat as good as I would have liked.
Link Posted: 3/15/2006 5:08:03 PM EDT
I took unemployment for 5 months in 2001 between jobs...

Stuff happens... But I do get PO'd with the fat slobs that think foodstamps and welfare are a career.
Link Posted: 3/15/2006 5:08:10 PM EDT
Yep.
Link Posted: 3/15/2006 5:08:37 PM EDT

Originally Posted By klutz347:
If it was between food in my kids belly or going hungry, damn straight I would.


+1
Link Posted: 3/15/2006 5:10:03 PM EDT

I don't have a particular judgmental attitude towards people that do. Of course times can be tough, and we all have to make choices.


But, the ONE THING I'd like is that people who do take foodstamps, EIC, etc. would admit that they are on a form of welfare, and that they never complain about "socialism" and government programs like that again. I'm not saying they have to vote for Hillary and join the Communist Party, but once you suckle at the government teat, then you forfeit the right to rant against government programs, IMO.
Link Posted: 3/15/2006 5:10:32 PM EDT

Originally Posted By capnrob97:
I took unemployment for 5 months in 2001 between jobs...

Stuff happens... But I do get PO'd with the fat slobs that think foodstamps and welfare are a career.



Unemployment doesn't qualify. Unemployment insurance is something that your employer is forced to pay while you are working for them. It doesn't come from taxes (for the most part) and your employer doesn't get it back if they fire you or lay you off and you don't use it (they don't even get it back if you quit). Unemployment is your money. There is no shame in taking it.
Link Posted: 3/15/2006 5:16:23 PM EDT
Well, if couldn't get a job and couldn't borrow money the choice would be steal, die, or go on food stamps. I suppose food stamps is the best option there.
Link Posted: 3/15/2006 5:16:34 PM EDT

Originally Posted By motown_steve:
Unemployment is your money. There is no shame in taking it.



I agree - that's qualitatively different from welfare like food stamps and free money.

Link Posted: 3/15/2006 5:17:17 PM EDT
Unemployment tax is just that, A tax against the employer. No shame in using it if needed. Needed does not mean out of work and not looking for any though...
Link Posted: 3/15/2006 5:22:52 PM EDT
NEVER

Sean
Link Posted: 3/15/2006 5:25:10 PM EDT

Originally Posted By DK-Prof:

Originally Posted By motown_steve:
Unemployment is your money. There is no shame in taking it.



I agree - that's qualitatively different from welfare like food stamps and free money.




Oh I just love these threads.

Not directed at DK-Prof , BUT.

If you partake of ANY Programs or Benefits which YOU did not Earn 100% from

Work or Investments , you are as Guilty as anyone else who participates in the

Redistribution of Wealth by our Govt.

Not that theres anything wrong with that.
Link Posted: 3/15/2006 5:27:28 PM EDT
If I had no other alternative and McD's wasn't hiring, YES
Link Posted: 3/15/2006 5:36:40 PM EDT
NEVER!!!


I would do everything I could inside the law to make ends meet.
Link Posted: 3/15/2006 5:37:12 PM EDT
First of all, health issues can cause ANYONE of y'all to get on food stamps. No amount of planning, or preparation can solve some issues.

Can any of you comprehend not having an income for a year? Really.......think about that.

If you have to get on food stamps, there is no shame in it. The shame is taking advantage of the program. being in a genuine need is not taking advantage of the program.

Link Posted: 3/15/2006 5:40:32 PM EDT
Kids come before my pride.

Nuff said
Link Posted: 3/15/2006 5:42:56 PM EDT

Originally Posted By DK-Prof:
Never.


My wife and I qualified for food stamps, EIC and all kinds of goodies when we were both Ph.D. student, and we never took any of it.

If I "needed" it, I would borrow money, and then pay it back. In fact, my wife is still paying back student loans from graduate school.



News flash buddy, you DO "pay it back".

That said, I have recieved them. I used it exactly as it was intended to be used. In college for a time I didnt have a good job, and I had bills a girl and a kid. You do what you have to do to better your life. We got on food stamps. Was on them for....8 months or so probably.

Graduated college, got a pretty good job, and I've paid back all I used and more.

You do what you have to do.
Link Posted: 3/15/2006 5:48:40 PM EDT
Fuck NO!
Link Posted: 3/15/2006 5:53:04 PM EDT

Originally Posted By krpind:
First of all, health issues can cause ANYONE of y'all to get on food stamps. No amount of planning, or preparation can solve some issues.

Can any of you comprehend not having an income for a year? Really.......think about that.

If you have to get on food stamps, there is no shame in it. The shame is taking advantage of the program. being in a genuine need is not taking advantage of the program.




And there it is. The exception to the rule.

Good, valid point krpind.
Link Posted: 3/15/2006 5:53:31 PM EDT
When I was a kid we were on food stamps. My dad was working 12-14 hours a day but just could not make it with 5 kids at home. We were on food stamps for about 8 months till dad got a better job.
We used it to buy milk bread and stuff like that.

Am I ashamed of it? Not in the least.

Will I go on food stamps? Not if I can help it in any way but my daughter being hungry when I cannot provide food is a awfully good time to eat your pride and take any help you can get.
Fortunately I am in a good job and the wifey has a good job so we are socking away (just in case) not much but it will help if SHTF someday.
Link Posted: 3/15/2006 5:56:19 PM EDT
If it were just me, that'd be different, but I have a wife and kid so I won't say never. There are a lot of ways for a man to hustle a buck so he doesn't have to go on the dole though...
Link Posted: 3/15/2006 5:58:09 PM EDT

Originally Posted By bigdb1:
If it were just me, that'd be different, but I have a wife and kid so I won't say never. There are a lot of ways for a man to hustle a buck so he doesn't have to go on the dole though...



+1, it's easy to say 'no' when not actually faced with it. I guess never say never is right, when you have a family depending on you.
Link Posted: 3/15/2006 6:03:56 PM EDT
No here in AZ as a single White male I would qualify for $10.00 in food stamps a month Yeah that's gonna help.
Link Posted: 3/15/2006 6:05:50 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/15/2006 6:06:57 PM EDT by DK-Prof]

Originally Posted By Specop_007:

Originally Posted By DK-Prof:
Never.


My wife and I qualified for food stamps, EIC and all kinds of goodies when we were both Ph.D. student, and we never took any of it.

If I "needed" it, I would borrow money, and then pay it back. In fact, my wife is still paying back student loans from graduate school.



News flash buddy, you DO "pay it back".




Here's another news flash. Everyone who DIDN'T take welfare and food stamps is ALSO "paying it back" in their taxes, even thought they never took it in the first place. So, not only is my wife and I paying back the huge student loans we had to take out from five years of almost no income as graduate students, we are also "paying it back" for everyone else who did take food stamps and other welfare.

(Unless of course you are voluntarily paying EXTRA income tax, and sending the IRS a check for more than you owe - the I'll agree that you are in fact paying it back)

Forgive me if your definition of "paying it back" doesn't exactly resonate with me.

Again - I'm not saying anyone is "bad" or "wrong" for taking welfare, or should be ashamed or anything. Hell no - it is an important government service, and it can be very necessary for some people. But I STRONGLY disagree on the whole "paying it back" thing, if you are just talking about the SAME taxes that everyone else pays as well (even if they didn't take it).

I think it's awesome that you ARE well-educated and employed, and that's the whole point of welfare, and you are one of the examples of how it is SUPPOSED to work, as opposed to the huge number of leeches that just abuse the system and take advantage of it.

I image we probably agree on lots of stuff, and I am merely making a technical point here - not trying to judge you or act like a condescending asshole (... I worry that I sound like one in threads like this, and I apologize if it sounds offensive).

I'm merely saying it is welfare and socialism - as opposed to loans and debt, which are examples of capitalism and personal responsiblity.
Link Posted: 3/15/2006 6:07:23 PM EDT

Originally Posted By DK-Prof:
Never.


My wife and I qualified for food stamps, EIC and all kinds of goodies when we were both Ph.D. student, and we never took any of it.

If I "needed" it, I would borrow money, and then pay it back. In fact, my wife is still paying back student loans from graduate school.



hey bro, if I recall you don't have kids do you? Seems to me about 34% of the folks here have said they would not, and it is likely that most of those folks don't have kids.

Let me tell you something, I'd cut my left nut off with a dull dirty rock and make you eat it and your wife watch if my kids' lives depended on it. (no offense intended there DK, just making a point..)

you don't know what you would do until you have children you love. Don't get me wrong, there are pieces of shit out there with kids who abuse them, and don't feel like I do, but do NOT underestimate the power of parenthood - it is stronger than you could imagine.
Link Posted: 3/15/2006 6:08:54 PM EDT

Originally Posted By DK-Prof:

Originally Posted By Specop_007:

Originally Posted By DK-Prof:
Never.


My wife and I qualified for food stamps, EIC and all kinds of goodies when we were both Ph.D. student, and we never took any of it.

If I "needed" it, I would borrow money, and then pay it back. In fact, my wife is still paying back student loans from graduate school.



News flash buddy, you DO "pay it back".




Here's another news flash. Everyone who DIDN'T take welfare and food stamps is ALSO "paying it back" in their taxes, even thought they never took it in the first place. So, not only is my wife and I paying back the huge student loans we had to take out from five years of almost no income as graduate students, we are also "paying it back" for everyone else who did take food stamps and other welfare.

(Unless of course you are voluntarily paying EXTRA income tax, and sending the IRS a check for more than you owe - the I'll agree that you are in fact paying it back)

Forgive me if your definition of "paying it back" doesn't exactly resonate with me.

Again - I'm not saying anyone is "bad" or "wrong" for taking welfare, but I disagree on the whole "paying it back" thing. I think it's awesome that you ARE well-educated and employed, and that's the whole point of welfare, and you are one of the examples of how it is SUPPOSED to work, as opposed to the huge number of leeches that just abuse the system and take advantage of it.

I image we probably agree on lots of stuff, and I am merely making a technical point here - not trying to judge you or act like a condescending asshole (... I worry that I sound like one in threads like this, and I apologize if it sounds offensive).

I'm merely saying it is welfare and socialism - as opposed to loans and debt, which are examples of capitalism and personal responsiblity.



I didnt take your statements as condescending, not by any stretch. Personally I am proud to say I used the system as its MEANT to be used. I sucked hind tittie with a shitty job, shitty hours and lots of college using food stamps so I could get ahead and not be white trash the rest of my life. So I didnt take your post to be any type of an attack, not by any stretch.

I just wanted to point out when you said you'd take a loan and pay it back.....Well, you DO pay food stamps back. In fact, you pay it back whether you need it or not! So if in the future you fall on hard times just think of food stamps as the loan you've already paid into and borrow form it.
Link Posted: 3/15/2006 6:11:38 PM EDT
I'd go on food stamps, if I could buy some PIE with them.
Link Posted: 3/15/2006 6:17:12 PM EDT
I would kill for my family. Swallowing my pride to take foodstamps would be no problem compared to that.

I hope that fortune smiles on all of you and you never need to find out just what you willdo to feed your family.
Link Posted: 3/15/2006 6:20:47 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/15/2006 6:21:42 PM EDT by DK-Prof]

Originally Posted By FordGuy:

Originally Posted By DK-Prof:
Never.


My wife and I qualified for food stamps, EIC and all kinds of goodies when we were both Ph.D. student, and we never took any of it.

If I "needed" it, I would borrow money, and then pay it back. In fact, my wife is still paying back student loans from graduate school.



hey bro, if I recall you don't have kids do you? Seems to me about 34% of the folks here have said they would not, and it is likely that most of those folks don't have kids.

Let me tell you something, I'd cut my left nut off with a dull dirty rock and make you eat it and your wife watch if my kids' lives depended on it. (no offense intended there DK, just making a point..)

you don't know what you would do until you have children you love. Don't get me wrong, there are pieces of shit out there with kids who abuse them, and don't feel like I do, but do NOT underestimate the power of parenthood - it is stronger than you could imagine.



I do not have kids. Perhaps if I did, I'd be able to justify being on welfare. Perhaps if I did, I'd justify robbing banks or mugging people to help buy them food, or rent or whatever. We'll never know.

BUT - did someone put a gun to your head and force you to have kids? I didn't force you to have kids - you decided to.

If I choose to buy a Ferarri, and can't afford the parts and the $4,000 oil change, should your taxes help me pay for that? Both are choices, both are expensive.


Again - please don't get me wrong. I am NOT trying to be some arrogant asshole who says that welfare and socialism is bad. I am absolutely IN FAVOR of things like food stamps and welfare. I support the government model of Denmark, for crying out loud - that has a LOT MORE welfare than the U.S. does. I'm not saying it's a bad thing, I'm not saying people shouldn't take it. When someone loses a job, or gets an unexpected illness, or similar kinds of circumstances, then that's exactly what welfare and food stamps are meant for - ESPECIALLY when people have kids and a family to support. I agree 100%.

I just want people to admit it is welfare, and that they aren't really opposed to socialist programs per se, when they are the ones benefitting from them. That's all.
Link Posted: 3/15/2006 6:21:29 PM EDT
My brother is 18 and so is his girl friend she is going to have a kid in a few months he needs them and I really don't see a problem with them. In Maine they have a "cash benifit" program and they get free money now this is where the fuckin bull shit starts. My brother doesn't do this because I told him I would kick him in the fuckin balls if he did.

When I worked at CVS people would come in and use there "cash benifits" on cigs. Really shows where peoples priorities are. Nothing would annoy me more.
Link Posted: 3/15/2006 6:21:30 PM EDT
If the government is silly enough to give you free money why not take it. Do you have a job at a small business? Did that small business ever receive government grants? That's not much different from being on welfare.
Link Posted: 3/15/2006 6:23:36 PM EDT

Originally Posted By row:
If the government is silly enough to give you free money why not take it.



Many people on ar15.com claim to be strongly opposed to socialism and wealth redistribution.

Based on the poll results however, those appear to be in the minority


Link Posted: 3/15/2006 6:23:54 PM EDT

Originally Posted By 20rdMag:
Kids come before my pride.

Nuff said



Damn right.
Link Posted: 3/15/2006 6:27:16 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Pangea:
I would kill for my family. Swallowing my pride to take foodstamps would be no problem compared to that.

I hope that fortune smiles on all of you and you never need to find out just what you willdo to feed your family.



Don't mention swallowing on this site.
Link Posted: 3/15/2006 6:29:18 PM EDT
First of all, I have paid enough taxes that they are MY foodstamps. I could eat 3 meals until I died and still not recoup all the taxes that I have paid. If I really needed it yes. But not if I could but didnt need it.

Now a days is no longer stamps. They give you plastic cards with credits on them. You goto the supermarket. Select your shit and you swipe your card. No one would ever know you were on them unless you closely looked at the card.
Link Posted: 3/15/2006 6:35:53 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/15/2006 6:37:50 PM EDT by FordGuy]

Originally Posted By DK-Prof:

Originally Posted By FordGuy:

Originally Posted By DK-Prof:
Never.


My wife and I qualified for food stamps, EIC and all kinds of goodies when we were both Ph.D. student, and we never took any of it.

If I "needed" it, I would borrow money, and then pay it back. In fact, my wife is still paying back student loans from graduate school.



hey bro, if I recall you don't have kids do you? Seems to me about 34% of the folks here have said they would not, and it is likely that most of those folks don't have kids.

Let me tell you something, I'd cut my left nut off with a dull dirty rock and make you eat it and your wife watch if my kids' lives depended on it. (no offense intended there DK, just making a point..)

you don't know what you would do until you have children you love. Don't get me wrong, there are pieces of shit out there with kids who abuse them, and don't feel like I do, but do NOT underestimate the power of parenthood - it is stronger than you could imagine.



I do not have kids. Perhaps if I did, I'd be able to justify being on welfare. Perhaps if I did, I'd justify robbing banks or mugging people to help buy them food, or rent or whatever. We'll never know.
It is not clear whether or not you are suggesting that I included the acceptability of criminal behavior - I did not (I used MY NUT as an example...haha) All I was saying is one's whole perspective on what you will and will not do changes when you include children in the equation. You answered without including the information that you had no children, which is pretty material information to leave out if you ask me, prof. Your omission was called. Not that that is from some mens rea, but just that you failed to mention it when answering a pretty damn important family oriented question.


BUT - did someone put a gun to your head and force you to have kids? I didn't force you to have kids - you decided to.

now wait just a minute - here you reveal a likely impetus for answering the question and involving yourself in this poll in the first place - you have in the past attempted to justify your own decision to not have children. I make no judgment against you for that decision: don't judge me for mine. I decided to have kids.

If I choose to buy a Ferarri, and can't afford the parts and the $4,000 oil change, should your taxes help me pay for that? Both are choices, both are expensive.

I have to agree with the basic premise you have - but when you and I are old and grey and I have grandchildren running around my feet we can talk about real value.



...
I just want people to admit it is welfare, and that they aren't really opposed to socialist programs per se, when they are the ones benefitting from them. That's all.

I'm with you on that.


Link Posted: 3/15/2006 6:39:56 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/15/2006 6:44:14 PM EDT by DK-Prof]

Originally Posted By FordGuy:

Originally Posted By DK-Prof:

Originally Posted By FordGuy:

Originally Posted By DK-Prof:
Never.


My wife and I qualified for food stamps, EIC and all kinds of goodies when we were both Ph.D. student, and we never took any of it.

If I "needed" it, I would borrow money, and then pay it back. In fact, my wife is still paying back student loans from graduate school.



hey bro, if I recall you don't have kids do you? Seems to me about 34% of the folks here have said they would not, and it is likely that most of those folks don't have kids.

Let me tell you something, I'd cut my left nut off with a dull dirty rock and make you eat it and your wife watch if my kids' lives depended on it. (no offense intended there DK, just making a point..)

you don't know what you would do until you have children you love. Don't get me wrong, there are pieces of shit out there with kids who abuse them, and don't feel like I do, but do NOT underestimate the power of parenthood - it is stronger than you could imagine.



I do not have kids. Perhaps if I did, I'd be able to justify being on welfare. Perhaps if I did, I'd justify robbing banks or mugging people to help buy them food, or rent or whatever. We'll never know.
It is not clear whether or not you are suggesting that I included the acceptability of criminal behavior - I did not (I used MY NUT as an example...haha) All I was saying is one's whole perspective on what you will and will not do changes when you include children in the equation. You answered without including the information that you had no children, which is pretty material information to leave out if you ask me, prof. Your omission was called. Not that that is from some mens rea, but just that you failed to mention it when answering a pretty damn important family oriented question.


BUT - did someone put a gun to your head and force you to have kids? I didn't force you to have kids - you decided to.

now wait just a minute - here you reveal a likely impetus for answering the question and involving yourself in this poll in the first place - you have in the past attempted to justify your own decision to not have children. I make no judgment against you for that decision: don't judge me for mine. I decided to have kids.

If I choose to buy a Ferarri, and can't afford the parts and the $4,000 oil change, should your taxes help me pay for that? Both are choices, both are expensive.

I have to agree with the basic premise you have - but when you and I are old and grey and I have grandchildren running around my feet we can talk about real value.



...
I just want people to admit it is welfare, and that they aren't really opposed to socialist programs per se, when they are the ones benefitting from them. That's all.

I'm with you on that.




No - I didn't mean to say that YOU implied criminal behavior, just that the basic notion that having kids can make you DO things you otherwise might not have found acceptable does sort of open the door to that kind of logic even. So it was more of an inference on my part - because I'm so insuffrably anal.

If I had kids, they'd probably end up hating me, or turn to life of crime or something. But perhaps I'll be kicking myself when I'm old and grey. I guess we'll only know the answer to that then. I'll take my chances.

Fortunately, my plan is that either I will be compeltely insane and senile by then, or the cancer that runs in my family will have killed me anyway.



ETA: I didn't mention kids to start with because I didn't see the original question as being about that, but your point is abslutely a good one.

Btw - I'm not at all trying to "judge" anyone for having kids. I'm just saying that I don't necessarily want to have to subsidize your choice of children, no more than you would want to subsidize my choice of a Ferrari. It's purely meant to be a statement about fairness, not a judgment about having kids at all. Sorry if it came across that way.

As an aside - the tax code is already subsidizing your kids at my expense, because you get tax breaks for them that I do not, and I pay property taxes for public schools (more socialism) that I get no benefit for, just so other peoples' kids can have a free education at my expense.
Link Posted: 3/15/2006 6:43:51 PM EDT
All name-calling and BS aside...

I think it SHOULD go without saying that if I had absolutely no other option, I would do it. That should apply to anyone & everyone. The reality is that it does not, but that's my stand anyway..

$.02
Link Posted: 3/15/2006 6:44:30 PM EDT
I would have to be:
1. Physically unable to work
2. Unable to get assistance from family members
3. Unable to get food from food banks / church groups etc.

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