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Posted: 3/15/2006 12:14:47 PM EDT
I am getting the Bushmaster Varminter and was wondering what scope would be recommended here. I don't want to get crazy. I would say anywhere around the $300 range. I know that is low. I would like to be variable mag to 24 or 32x's tactical windage and elevation adjustments Let me know your thoughts please.
Link Posted: 3/15/2006 12:17:12 PM EDT
Why would you need 32x on a .223? Or even 24 for that matter?
Link Posted: 3/15/2006 12:17:38 PM EDT
Listerene.
Link Posted: 3/15/2006 12:20:29 PM EDT
For $300, get a Super Sniper 10x, all you need on a AR.
Link Posted: 3/15/2006 12:22:43 PM EDT
WAAAY too much magnifcation... Unless you are gonna be using it for benchrest type stuff, and even then its prolly a bad idea.

You could get a "super Sniper" for ~300 thats prolly your best bet. They are fixed power 10x and 16x IIRC for a .223 I'd reccomend the 10x. Alternatively there are some bushnell elite scopes in that range too I think the 3200....
Link Posted: 3/15/2006 12:24:33 PM EDT

Originally Posted By j-fonz:
Why would you need 32x on a .223? Or even 24 for that matter?



I am planning on shooting at over 600 YDS with it on fairly small targets.
Link Posted: 3/15/2006 12:28:18 PM EDT

Originally Posted By bigthicket:
For $300, get a Super Sniper 10x, all you need on a AR.

I thought those were all gone, now.
Link Posted: 3/15/2006 12:33:48 PM EDT

Originally Posted By hakim:

Originally Posted By j-fonz:
Why would you need 32x on a .223? Or even 24 for that matter?



I am planning on shooting at over 600 YDS with it on fairly small targets.



600 yards with a .223 is really stretching things. You must be one heck of a rifle shot.
Link Posted: 3/15/2006 12:34:46 PM EDT
the Burris Line of Fullfield II's fall in this price range, i have a 4.5-14X42mm. it is an incredible scope, ballistics plex, have it on my .30-06. they run about 350. not as powerful, but it is variable.

just remember a scopes ability to render resoultion is almost more important than the magnification. and the Burris scopes have extremly high resolution. i can see .223 holes in paper at 150 plus yards at the 14x mag.
Link Posted: 3/15/2006 12:37:09 PM EDT

Originally Posted By PAEBR332:

Originally Posted By hakim:

Originally Posted By j-fonz:
Why would you need 32x on a .223? Or even 24 for that matter?



I am planning on shooting at over 600 YDS with it on fairly small targets.



600 yards with a .223 is really stretching things. You must be one heck of a rifle shot.



Are you serious! You need to get out to the range a little more often.
Link Posted: 3/15/2006 12:41:20 PM EDT
Super Sniper from SWFA.COM, can't beat it for the buck! BTW, I love mine! I went ahead and splurged on the side-focus model which will cost about $400 instead of $300 but it's worth every penny and SWFA shipped it FREE!

Another Happy Camper
Link Posted: 3/15/2006 12:43:50 PM EDT

Originally Posted By hakim:

Originally Posted By PAEBR332:

Originally Posted By hakim:

Originally Posted By j-fonz:
Why would you need 32x on a .223? Or even 24 for that matter?



I am planning on shooting at over 600 YDS with it on fairly small targets.



600 yards with a .223 is really stretching things. You must be one heck of a rifle shot.



Are you serious! You need to get out to the range a little more often.



I shoot my .223 bolt action quite frequently at fairly long distances (out to about 400 yards). I shoot groundhogs, which are not overly small targets.

Doping wind and compensating for bullet drop at 600 yards is not easy. At those ranges, .308 and above makes more sense. YMMV.
Link Posted: 3/15/2006 12:48:40 PM EDT

Originally Posted By PAEBR332:

Originally Posted By hakim:

Originally Posted By PAEBR332:

Originally Posted By hakim:

Originally Posted By j-fonz:
Why would you need 32x on a .223? Or even 24 for that matter?



I am planning on shooting at over 600 YDS with it on fairly small targets.



600 yards with a .223 is really stretching things. You must be one heck of a rifle shot.



Are you serious! You need to get out to the range a little more often.



I shoot my .223 bolt action quite frequently at fairly long distances (out to about 400 yards). I shoot groundhogs, which are not overly small targets.

Doping wind and compensating for bullet drop at 600 yards is not easy. At those ranges, .308 and above makes more sense. YMMV.



What power scope are you using?
Link Posted: 3/15/2006 12:52:19 PM EDT
Glass is one of those things that you get what you pay for. For 300 bucks, you're not getting much. Things get worse if you try to up the magnification without doing the same for quality.
Link Posted: 3/15/2006 12:57:01 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/15/2006 1:00:08 PM EDT by danonly]

Originally Posted By PAEBR332:
I shoot my .223 bolt action quite frequently at fairly long distances (out to about 400 yards). I shoot groundhogs, which are not overly small targets.

Doping wind and compensating for bullet drop at 600 yards is not easy. At those ranges, .308 and above makes more sense. YMMV.



That's funny, i could have sworn most hp a-t-c competitors have got the drop part figured out pretty well. And learning to "dope" wind is harder out at that distance, but again, folks are posting some crazy scores with their 20" .223's with irons.

oh yeah- unless you have a 15 lb rifle, recoil will affect your holding ability after 30 or more rounds with a .308. so a 260 or 6XC is what more people are using, instead of a .308. Unless you are using a prone style rifle like a "rock" or some such.



Link Posted: 3/15/2006 2:17:28 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Mall-Ninja:
Glass is one of those things that you get what you pay for. For 300 bucks, you're not getting much. Things get worse if you try to up the magnification without doing the same for quality.



exactly what i was talking about with the resolustion thing.
Link Posted: 3/15/2006 2:21:30 PM EDT
Ok, at 600 yds through a 24 or 32x scope you won't see shit through the mirage. You'll see your target swimming around and you won't hit it. There is a reason most long range shooters don't use uber high magnification optics and that is one of them. For 600yds get the 10x or perhaps up to 16x Though I would recomend 10x since mirage problems are way less pronounced.
Link Posted: 3/15/2006 2:23:03 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/15/2006 2:23:54 PM EDT by ironoxbows]
I shoot prairie dogs at some pretty good ranges. 4-500yds ispretty common.
And I do it with a cheap Simmons 44Mag scope. 6.5-20X.

These guys that are telling you that a 10X will do all you need are dead-nuts correct.
I rarely turn mine up past 14, simply because the mirage is too bad at a higher magnification.
Link Posted: 3/15/2006 2:27:27 PM EDT

Originally Posted By opie69:
the Burris Line of Fullfield II's fall in this price range, i have a 4.5-14X42mm. it is an incredible scope, ballistics plex, have it on my .30-06. they run about 350. not as powerful, but it is variable.

just remember a scopes ability to render resoultion is almost more important than the magnification. and the Burris scopes have extremly high resolution. i can see .223 holes in paper at 150 plus yards at the 14x mag.



+1 on this Burris. Awesome scope, forever warrenty and you still can get the package were you get a free Burris compact spotting scope. You'll love your Varmiter, I had one before I got my Wilson UT15 and it was a real tack driver. Great praire dog rifle.
Link Posted: 3/15/2006 2:34:34 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Harlikwin:
WAAAY too much magnifcation... Unless you are gonna be using it for benchrest type stuff, and even then its prolly a bad idea.

You could get a "super Sniper" for ~300 thats prolly your best bet. They are fixed power 10x and 16x IIRC for a .223 I'd reccomend the 10x. Alternatively there are some bushnell elite scopes in that range too I think the 3200....



I have a 20x Simmons on my Varminter and I just shot one with a 32x Black Diamond scope and its sweet. it is not way too much magnification when your shooting 300 yards
Link Posted: 3/15/2006 2:36:23 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/15/2006 2:36:37 PM EDT by Hawkeye]
Link Posted: 3/15/2006 2:38:32 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Harlikwin:
Ok, at 600 yds through a 24 or 32x scope you won't see shit through the mirage. You'll see your target swimming around and you won't hit it. There is a reason most long range shooters don't use uber high magnification optics and that is one of them. For 600yds get the 10x or perhaps up to 16x Though I would recomend 10x since mirage problems are way less pronounced.



Link Posted: 3/15/2006 2:45:38 PM EDT
This is a Video of me shooting a prairie dog at 350-375 yards and we were shooting them all day at those distances and my 20x Simmons certainly helped out.
Link Posted: 3/15/2006 2:57:54 PM EDT

Originally Posted By danonly:

Originally Posted By PAEBR332:
I shoot my .223 bolt action quite frequently at fairly long distances (out to about 400 yards). I shoot groundhogs, which are not overly small targets.

Doping wind and compensating for bullet drop at 600 yards is not easy. At those ranges, .308 and above makes more sense. YMMV.



That's funny, i could have sworn most hp a-t-c competitors have got the drop part figured out pretty well. And learning to "dope" wind is harder out at that distance, but again, folks are posting some crazy scores with their 20" .223's with irons.

<snip>



HP targets are a tad bit larger than prairie dogs or groundhogs.
Link Posted: 3/15/2006 4:23:23 PM EDT
Burris Fullfield II 4-14x42 on a Colt Accurrized rifle.

You can't beat the Burris Fullfield II, excellent value.
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