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Posted: 3/15/2006 11:57:23 AM EDT
I have referred to the video "Deadly Weapons: Firearms and Firepower" a lot when various discussions have come up here on ARFCOM.
Here's a video clip (from that movie) of Alex Jason getting shot by a 308 from an FN FAL at point blank range while wearing a rifle rated vest. He gets shot twice, once while balancing on one leg. I posted this in the ammo forum but I thought others here in GD might like it. I think Deadly Weapons: Firearms and Firepower is a great video and recommend it. It dispels a lot of Hollywood nonsense about firearms. linkeroo ETA: I almost forgot the main point. The energy of the bullet won’t knock you down, off your feet, blow you through a plate glass window etc. Your reaction to it might. |
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I'm not sure I would volunteer to be on the receiving end, even with the vest.
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That is a great video. I like it when he show how worthless full auto is on targets at the slightest distance. The part where the 50BMG tumbles through the brush was pretty cool too.
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+1 I could hardly believe the 50 BMG tumbled. And the handgun rounds that wouldn't make it through a car door? DAMN! The gun so powerful it can crack an engine block! Not... |
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Nope. Products fail.... shit happens. |
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Yikes.. his second shot to the vest standing on one leg looked like he almost missed hitting towards the edge of the vest ... no thank you.... Interesting how hollywood blows people off their feet when hit... |
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Sorry, pointing and firing a gun at a human being to sell a product....don't think so. |
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I saw that, thats a pretty fucking stupid thing to do. |
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But you have to admit that's effective marketing. And that's how bowling pin shooting was created. Richard Davis (2nd Chance founder) would shoot himself with a .44 mag, then turn and shoot pins off a table, to show that the rounds were "real", and that he could react and move after being shot. Stupid or not, if you are a potential buyer, and you see the owner of the company shooting himself / getting shot with his own products, that's effective marketing. |
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his company, what is the point of buying a soft armor vest if the owner/ pres. of the company doesn't believe they would save his own life? |
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Saw that on the History Channel just a few weeks ago. That pretty much sold the idea to PD's that vests are a good thing for cops. |
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No flame to you, brother danonly, but his company is in bankruptcy due to failures of his product. Just my .02, nothing more... |
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What a bunch of shit!
Anybody can do it that close! Everybody knows a bullet gains all of its speed AFTER it leaves the barrel! |
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I used to own that video. I also had one where these guys were showing how easy it was to make a full auto from a Garand, and I think either a Mini14 or an M1 carbine using string. They also showed a lightning link in use. It was not an instructional video but a video to show how ridiculous the 1968 GCA was.That was a cool video too.
I loaned both out and never got them back. |
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Yeah, that one round is only a few inches on the plate. |
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I find it very interesting that so many of you comment about the foolishness of allowing the guy to get shot. You are all correct, of course.
But what I found interesting, many years ago when I first saw this video, is what it demonstrates. It is a true "Box O' Truth" demonstration. Many people, even on this board, will argue until they are blue in the face that a .308 will "blow you off your feet". This guy shows that this is totally false. You gotta admit, he was an early Mythbuster. |
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Rats. I wish I'd seen this before I got my FAL. Wonder what it'll bring in trade for a .458 Win Mag?
Nah. there's no milsurp for that. |
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The problem was that they started using a new, unproven material (along with almost all other armor companies) and tried to cover it up when the vests started failing. All armor companies were affected in some way by the Zylon fiasco. |
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The video is just over 20 years old now, and it's been more than 15 years since I've seen it, but I think that it has footage of the first time Richard Davisd shot himself while wearing one of his vests, he silenced the naysayers who said soft body armor wont work, the impact will stop your heart, the blunt force will incapacitate you, etc.
Second Chance was a great company for 20+ years
The there was Zylon
In August of 2005 Armor Holdings, Inc aquired substantially all of the domestic assets of Second Chance Body Armor, Inc., including intellectual property but excluding any Zylon releted assets and all claims, for $45 million. |
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What? You mean .308 doesn't have any "knock down" power??? What a wimpy "poodle-shooter" the .308 turned out to be after all. |
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Waste of time and effort. If you believe Newton, then you know the answer as soon as you fire the .308. Are you still standing?
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Many on this board will argue with Mr. Newton. They're a lot smarter than he was. At least they believe so. |
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Not everyone reasons things out so well. |
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+1000 We climb into our cars every day and the risk of death is far greater. |
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I would have kicked his ass for hitting that close to the edge of the vest BOTH times!!!
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This goes back to a post several months back with the video of the Iraqi sniper shooting the medic.
Big argument ensued with me finally posting an mathmetical proof that there isn't enough energy to knock a man over. Thanks for the link. I saw it long ago and never found it again. Now I've got ammo for arguments! |
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