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Posted: 3/14/2006 3:22:18 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/20/2006 7:10:26 AM EDT by TravisJ1]
I am just curious, whoever made the laws agaist open carry but are okay with concealed carry, what was the logic?

I mean carring is carring right?

Are they afraid if you open carry, the bad guys will try to take your gun?

If that was the case, then would bad guys try to take the police guns?

What do you all think?


Travis
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 3:25:19 PM EDT
Travis, I'm with you. Makes no sense. I'll stand by for replies. Curious myself.
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 3:26:32 PM EDT
Scares the sheep...
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 3:26:52 PM EDT
one must cannot induce panic with the sheep...duh
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 3:27:03 PM EDT
Open carry here.

I prefer concealed.
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 3:27:16 PM EDT
Open carry is legal in lots of states.
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 3:27:54 PM EDT
fuck..you beat me to it....
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 3:28:25 PM EDT
"Arizona is an open carry state. Handguns should be holstered when not actually in use to avoid issues related to brandishing or questions regarding the concealed nature of the firearm. The law states that as long as a portion of the holster is visible, the weapon is not concealed. It is recommended that at least 2-3 inches of the holster be visible."

www.packing.org/state/arizona/#stateno_ccw
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 3:28:27 PM EDT
Open carry is legal in most parts of KS, but no CCW.
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 3:28:39 PM EDT
As it is, people think nobody carries a gun. So they don't need one either. If everyone carried openly, you would see how many people actually do carry, and more people would think, "hey, the streets aren't running red with blood afterall!" Then they would think, "maybe I need one too." More people with guns, less crime, etc. And that would be absolutely unacceptable!


Well that's my take anyway.
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 3:28:45 PM EDT
The Texas Hometown forum is that way------------------------------------>



In New Hampshire, you can (and I do) open carry except in a courthouse. You only need a license for concealed carry. Now I wouldn't recommend open carry in most instances just because you can.

But I agree that laws against open/concealed carry make no sense.
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 3:29:41 PM EDT
I would not open carry, it would be better for the badguy to not know i have a gun.
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 3:29:44 PM EDT
Our constitution specifically gives the legislature the power to regulate the wearing of arms.

Thats why we don't have open carry.
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 3:30:03 PM EDT
I'll be the first to go out on the limb and say.... we CC because we don't want to be the first guy shot in the line at the gas station.

I see open carry around my (not so little anymore) town and in one way I think it is a wonderful thing but something always brings me back to the good old element of surprise. I am speaking of personal experience here and not commenting on whatever laws are in existence.
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 3:31:10 PM EDT
Who says you can't? It's legal here, and I've done it a time or two.

Generally speaking though, I don't like doing it. I don't like being the center of attention, I don't enjoy everybody staring at my pistol and I don't like people acting nervous around me.
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 3:31:21 PM EDT
From what I've heard, open carry is technically legal, since the old cowboy days. BUT, all it takes is one person to call a cop and say it is scaring them when they see you in public. You can then be arrested for disturbing the peace, or something like that.

I may be wrong, but that is always what I have heard.
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 3:31:26 PM EDT
I think it'd make for a much more polite society if most were carrying openly.

HH
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 3:31:44 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/14/2006 3:39:25 PM EDT by recoiljunky]
I can open carry.

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eta: , but I don't. I prefer the element of suprise.

Also as an observation, if you are having a good time in all but the most reserved ways, open carry makes you look like a yahoo.

further edited to add: but I don't understand the logic in allowing ccw but no open carry
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 3:31:58 PM EDT
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 3:32:10 PM EDT

Originally Posted By ctprelude:
Open carry is legal in most parts of KS, but no CCW.



About to be changed.... congratulations!
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 3:32:44 PM EDT
I open carry quite often, most people never even notice and the ones that do just assume that its ok. I am a pretty polite guy.
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 3:38:56 PM EDT
Open carry is legal in Ky. I choose to carry concealed. Don't want to freak people out or make myself a target.

I do open carry any time I am in the woods. Me and my son go hiking.
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 3:40:03 PM EDT
Here in OR, open carry is legal everywhere, unless a city prohibits it (Portland and Beaverton). The city cannot prohibit carry by those with CHL's. The law says nothing about concealing it. This is a subject of some contention. I say I can open carry in portland since I have a CHL, others say having a CHL (Concealed Handgun License) means it MUST be concealed. I have read the law numerous times and there is no statement requiring me to actually conceal the weapon, only that I need to have the CHL to carry at all in city limits.

In technical tems, I am right.

In practical terms, probably not a good idea.
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 3:40:33 PM EDT

Originally Posted By C-4:
The Texas Hometown forum is that way------------------------------------>



In New Hampshire, you can (and I do) open carry except in a courthouse. You only need a license for concealed carry. Now I wouldn't recommend open carry in most instances just because you can.

But I agree that laws against open/concealed carry make no sense.





I wasn't asking about Texas in specific, all states agaist it.


Travis


Link Posted: 3/14/2006 3:42:55 PM EDT
Same reason blacks couldn't right at the front of the bus.
We need a 2nd Amendment Rosa Parks.
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 3:43:11 PM EDT

Originally Posted By SnoopisTDI:
As it is, people think nobody carries a gun. So they don't need one either. If everyone carried openly, you would see how many people actually do carry, and more people would think, "hey, the streets aren't running red with blood afterall!" Then they would think, "maybe I need one too." More people with guns, less crime, etc. And that would be absolutely unacceptable!


Well that's my take anyway.



+1

it's so nice to have someone say something so close to what you were going to say that you can do the +1 thing.

that is all...
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 3:43:13 PM EDT
Legal in VA.....and localities can't prohibit.

I thought TX was a free state?
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 3:43:29 PM EDT

Originally Posted By burbanite:
I'll be the first to go out on the limb and say.... we CC because we don't want to be the first guy shot in the line at the gas station.
I see open carry around my (not so little anymore) town and in one way I think it is a wonderful thing but something always brings me back to the good old element of surprise. I am speaking of personal experience here and not commenting on whatever laws are in existence.




So are the police targeted because the open carry?


Travis
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 3:44:06 PM EDT
I can Open carry in Minnesota, I do on occasion.


An Openly armed society is a Polite society.
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 3:44:20 PM EDT
I open carry frequently. I've never been shot first, never had my gun snatched, never been arrested for disturbing the peace, never been shot on sight by the police. I guess I've been lucky for the past 20 years.
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 3:46:53 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Jeep29:
I open carry frequently. I've never been shot first, never had my gun snatched, never been arrested for disturbing the peace, never been shot on sight by the police. I guess I've been lucky for the past 20 years.




Thats my point.


Travis
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 3:48:10 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Bama-Shooter:
Open carry here.

I prefer concealed.



+1

dont ask me why TX does not allow it...you would think that it WOULD
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 3:48:26 PM EDT
Maybe a better question would be......Why do I need a CCW or CHL in a state that allows open carry?


Silly gun laws....Right?


Travis
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 3:50:40 PM EDT

Originally Posted By TravisJ1:

Originally Posted By C-4:
The Texas Hometown forum is that way------------------------------------>



In New Hampshire, you can (and I do) open carry except in a courthouse. You only need a license for concealed carry. Now I wouldn't recommend open carry in most instances just because you can.

But I agree that laws against open/concealed carry make no sense.





I wasn't asking about Texas in specific, all states agaist it.


Travis





Just messing with ya.



Link Posted: 3/14/2006 3:55:22 PM EDT
its legal in VA no prob. You can even open carry in a school board meeting if you want to.
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 3:57:06 PM EDT

Originally Posted By burbanite:

Originally Posted By ctprelude:
Open carry is legal in most parts of KS, but no CCW.



About to be changed.... congratulations!



I doubt it. It will be passed by the house and senate, but the governor has already said she will veto it.
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 3:58:24 PM EDT

Originally Posted By C-4:

Originally Posted By TravisJ1:

Originally Posted By C-4:
The Texas Hometown forum is that way------------------------------------>



In New Hampshire, you can (and I do) open carry except in a courthouse. You only need a license for concealed carry. Now I wouldn't recommend open carry in most instances just because you can.

But I agree that laws against open/concealed carry make no sense.





I wasn't asking about Texas in specific, all states agaist it.


Travis





Just messing with ya.







It's all good C-4


Travis
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 4:01:35 PM EDT
Legal in Michigan under some circumstances....
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 4:03:35 PM EDT

Originally Posted By ctprelude:

Originally Posted By burbanite:

Originally Posted By ctprelude:
Open carry is legal in most parts of KS, but no CCW.



About to be changed.... congratulations!



I doubt it. It will be passed by the house and senate, but the governor has already said she will veto it.



I don't know about KS, but most states have a 'veto-proof margin' for bills which, if passed by a certain number of votes in the Statehouse, preclude the Governers veto.

For y'all Jayhawkers, I sincerely hope that's the case. Call the Governers office and voice your opinion!
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 4:05:30 PM EDT
Ohio allows open carry thanks to the Ohio Supreme Court
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 4:14:55 PM EDT
I think it's a great idea to wear a sign that states: "Shoot me first!"
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 4:36:36 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/14/2006 5:15:22 PM EDT by Noname]
Interesting article by Clayton Cramer dealing with how/why Calif banned open carry and Washington's ties to the law.


Ours was due to fun and games being committed by the Black Panthers in the 1960's. I was 14 at the time and remember it well...




www.claytoncramer.com/PopularMagazines/WashingtonOpenCarryBan.html




It turns out that this law, first passed in 1969, has an interesting history to it. Back in 1967, California's legislature debated a bill that would prohibit open carry of firearms. The reason for this was very simple: members of the Black Panthers, a radical political party of the time with a number of ex-cons in the leadership, were carrying guns in the streets of Oakland and a few other cities. They claimed that they needed these guns to protect themselves. The police claimed that the Black Panthers were ambushing them, and needed a law banning open carry in cities.





The Black Panthers had a real talent for getting themselves publicity, and at times it seems that they operated on the long-held belief that, "It doesn't matter what you say about me, as long as you spell my name right." While the lower house of the California legislature was debating a bill banning open carry of firearms in cities, the Black Panthers decided to demonstrate in support of the right to keep and bear arms. Where they did it guaranteed passage of the bill.


"Two dozen armed Negroes entered the State Capitol at noon today and 10 made their way to the back of the Assembly Chamber before they were disarmed and marched away by the state police." Their weapons (including "pistols, rifles, at least one sawed-off shotgun") were returned to them, after they were escorted from the building. The bill, which became California Penal Code § 12031, almost certainly benefitted from the Panthers' actions. Governor Ronald Reagan was on the steps of the statehouse at the time the Panthers' were escorted from the building: "Reagan also said it was a 'ridiculous way to solve problems that have to be solved among people of good will.' He added he was against 'even the implied threat weapons might be directed again fellow Americans.


Link Posted: 3/14/2006 4:37:49 PM EDT
What you mean "we" pilgrim?

Here in the Commonwealth we do (in Arfcom fashion) BOTH!
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 4:39:51 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/14/2006 4:41:22 PM EDT by JCKnife]
I carried open for about four months before we finally passed CCW here. Only two people ever noticed.

Oh, and in Ohio we HAVE to open carry if we're carrying in the car. It's the law.
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 4:50:31 PM EDT
Good replies everyone.

I wasn't trying to find out who can and who cannot open carry, but more the logic behind why you can or can't, and the relationship of that to the CCW/CHL laws.


More of a political thing I guess.

Travis
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 4:54:59 PM EDT
Some places still have it. We do in Iowa.

Concealed carry is for your protection. If someone walks into a gas station to rob it and the customers But sees your open carry piece he has 3 options...

1: Walk out without robbing the place.
2: Go ahead and rob the place and attempt to disarm you by command risking his own death.
3: Shoot you in the back of the head take your gun. And while your corpse is excreting bodily fluids into your pants he robs the place.

Reasonable people would say, he'll walk out. But you have to think like the unreasonable drugged out criminal in the scenario. He'll see an extra an $100 for him on the street for your gun.

Link Posted: 3/14/2006 6:14:22 PM EDT
I can open carry in Maine, but i like to think of my carry guns as pocket aces.. I wil only show them after you made your play and by then its to late
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 6:17:23 PM EDT
We can't? News to me .
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 6:23:58 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/14/2006 6:29:15 PM EDT by hockeysmile]

Portland Police Chief Mike Chitwood has made it his policy to have anyone found openly carrying in Portland to be disarmed. (Never mind that Maine law allows open carry...) Residents of Portland wishing to be licensed should be aware that Portland keeps an online database. During traffic stops, the database is cross checked against your drivers license and the information is passed to the officer. NOTE: this database only contains information on individuals licensed by Portland.


Chitwood is no longer the Police chief in Portland Maine. I am not sure what their offical position on open carry is now.
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 6:29:03 PM EDT
I'm personally of the mindset that open carry would reduce crime. You may not have the element of surprise, but it's a big deterrant to just show a gun. I'm sure it also wouldn't make you the first target, as a criminal is more likely to scout out another area with seemingly disarmed people.
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 7:07:47 PM EDT
Just to clarify.

There is no law in Texas against open carrying of rifles or shotguns.
It is against the law in Texas to open carry a pistol.
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