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Posted: 3/14/2006 9:48:45 AM EDT
...like THAT'S going to happen.

HH

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Politics & Government

Mofaz: Hamas Acting Responsibly; Hamas: Israel Must Change Flag
15:22 Jan 30, '06 / 1 Shevat 5766
By Scott Shiloh



Defense Minister Shaul Mofaz told the Israeli cabinet on Sunday that since the election Hamas was acting responsibly. Shortly afterwards, a senior Hamas official called on Israel to change its flag.


Defense Minister Shaul Mofaz told the Israeli cabinet on Sunday that since Hamas won a sweeping victory in last Wednesday’s PA parliamentary election, the extreme Islamic terror group was acting “responsibly.”

Mofaz also said that in the short term, he thinks Hamas will refrain from terror attacks.

He added that it was likely that the Hamas will also attempt to block the Islamic Jihad from carrying out terrorist attacks against Israel. Islamic Jihad, trying to portray itself as more radical than Hamas, boycotted last week’s election. They claimed that the elections were based on the Oslo accords and played into the hands of the United States.

Shortly after making his comments about the Hamas, Hamas leader Mahmoud Zahar said from Gaza that Israel must change its flag. "Israel must remove the two blue stripes from its national flag", said Zahar. “The stripes on the flag are symbols of occupation. They signify Israel's borders stretching from the River Euphrates to the River Nile."

Israel’s national flag, a blue Star of David set between two blue stripes, was designed to resemble a Jewish prayer shawl which traditionally has stripes.

When asked whether the Hamas would renounce terrorism, Zahar said in a CNN interview, "What is the international definition of terrorism? When (Israeli planes) attack houses by F-16, just when they are using helicopters, when they are killing people and children and removing our agriculture system, this is terrorism."

Mofaz said the government’s policy towards Hamas must be clear. The Hamas, he said, “must annul their charter and disarm, and then we'll be facing a clearer reality," Mofaz said. The Hamas charter calls for the destruction of Israel.

An Israeli government official said that Egytian President Hosni Mubarak and Jordan’s King Abdullah are worried that the Hamas electoral victory might encourage radical Islamic groups in their own countries.

The Hamas’s ideology is based on that of the Moslem Brotherhood, a radical Moslem sect based in Egypt.

Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni (Kadima) said she would be travelling to Egypt next Wednesday to discuss the Hamas victory with Mubarak.

As for the future of ruling PA chief Mahmoud Abbas, Zahar said the Hamas planned to work with Abbas, also called Abu Mazen, the name he used as a PLO terrorist.
Abbas, who heads the Fatah party, was elected head of the Palestinian Authority in a separate election. Legally, he can retain his post until finishing out a four-year term.


Link Posted: 3/14/2006 9:56:23 AM EDT
"from the Nile to the Euphrates"...eventualy...
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 9:57:37 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/14/2006 9:57:53 AM EDT by DK-Prof]

Too bad the "stripes" on the Israeli flag have NOTHING to do with a retarded urban legend about rivers, spread by anti-semities/anti-zionists.

Link Posted: 3/14/2006 10:01:11 AM EDT
Reminds me of those "American flag with fringe" nutjobs
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 10:04:00 AM EDT
Seems reasonable.
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 10:10:31 AM EDT

When asked whether the Hamas would renounce terrorism, Zahar said in a CNN interview, "What is the international definition of terrorism? When (Israeli planes) attack houses by F-16, just when they are using helicopters, when they are killing people and children and removing our agriculture system, this is terrorism.


In other words: NO

Without money coming in from the U.S. and Israel, Hamas is screwed.

HH
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 10:15:16 AM EDT
Israel to Hamas --

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(((((( BOOM!! ))))))
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 10:20:25 AM EDT
But their flag is so offensive to them. Israel needs to be more PC!!
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 10:25:38 AM EDT
"What is the international definition of terrorism? When (Israeli planes) attack houses by F-16, just when they are using helicopters, when they are killing people and children and removing our agriculture"


No mention of guys boarding busses wearing bombs huh?
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 10:29:32 AM EDT
It's like a boiler waiting to explode over there.
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 10:39:20 AM EDT

Originally Posted By ANGST:
Reminds me of those "American flag with fringe" nutjobs



Hey now...
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 10:43:36 AM EDT

Originally Posted By ZW17:
It's like a boiler waiting to explode over there.



Sooner the better...I know whose side MY shekels are on!
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 10:48:38 AM EDT
It might be just the right time to let them take the initiative and let us back them up...the sooner the better. Go after Hamas and Iran and don't mess around.

HH
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 11:12:29 AM EDT
Maybe old but h.gif

Just to add couple more words with pics of middle-east : http://www.faithfreedom.org/gallery.htm
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 11:15:45 AM EDT

Originally Posted By 4915:
Maybe old but

Just to add couple more words with pics of middle-east : http://www.faithfreedom.org/gallery.htm



Link is dead?

HH
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 1:47:18 PM EDT
They are using the same BS tactics the Minority groups used trying to get rid of the Confederate flag





Keep it Flying-
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 1:59:21 PM EDT

Originally Posted By DK-Prof:
Too bad the "stripes" on the Israeli flag have NOTHING to do with a retarded urban legend about rivers, spread by anti-semities/anti-zionists.




Actually, I think that has some basis from parts of the Bible (Revelation, I think) describing the boundaries of the future kingdom of Israel.

Not the two stripes thing. Don't know how they got that.

Not sure why the Palestinians would care either since they never owned part of Egypt or Iraq...
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 2:08:38 PM EDT
It's in Deuteronomy (11:24), and it's "the river to the western sea".

Larry
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 2:10:46 PM EDT

Originally Posted By 1Andy2:

Originally Posted By DK-Prof:
Too bad the "stripes" on the Israeli flag have NOTHING to do with a retarded urban legend about rivers, spread by anti-semities/anti-zionists.




Actually, I think that has some basis from parts of the Bible (Revelation, I think) describing the boundaries of the future kingdom of Israel.

Not the two stripes thing. Don't know how they got that.

Not sure why the Palestinians would care either since they never owned part of Egypt or Iraq...



The Jews only use the Torah, which are the 1st five books of the Bible.

HH
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 2:13:31 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/14/2006 2:17:24 PM EDT by callgood]
Change it to one of these



dropping ordnance on a mud hut.


ETA
Actually, this pic would make a pretty flag all by itself



Weren't there 9 tribes in ancient Israel? Can't remember.

Link Posted: 3/14/2006 2:17:13 PM EDT

Originally Posted By HoustonHusker:

Originally Posted By 1Andy2:

Originally Posted By DK-Prof:
Too bad the "stripes" on the Israeli flag have NOTHING to do with a retarded urban legend about rivers, spread by anti-semities/anti-zionists.




Actually, I think that has some basis from parts of the Bible (Revelation, I think) describing the boundaries of the future kingdom of Israel.

Not the two stripes thing. Don't know how they got that.

Not sure why the Palestinians would care either since they never owned part of Egypt or Iraq...



The Jews only use the Torah, which are the 1st five books of the Bible.

HH



Not true. They use the entire OT. The first 5 books are just the Pentatuch. Or something spelled very similarly.
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 2:17:48 PM EDT

Originally Posted By 1Andy2:

Originally Posted By DK-Prof:
Too bad the "stripes" on the Israeli flag have NOTHING to do with a retarded urban legend about rivers, spread by anti-semities/anti-zionists.




Actually, I think that has some basis from parts of the Bible (Revelation, I think) describing the boundaries of the future kingdom of Israel.



Deuteronomy 11:24 Every place where you set your foot will be yours: Your territory will extend from the desert [probably a reference to the Sinai desert, some distance from the Nile itself] to Lebanon, and from the Euphrates River to the western sea [i.e. the eastern end of the Mediterranean].

(Similar language is used in Joshua and Exodus; this reference is the most clearly worded.)

It's unlikely Israel would use a New Testament book as a basis for anything.
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 2:19:12 PM EDT

Originally Posted By 1Andy2:

Originally Posted By HoustonHusker:

Originally Posted By 1Andy2:

Originally Posted By DK-Prof:
Too bad the "stripes" on the Israeli flag have NOTHING to do with a retarded urban legend about rivers, spread by anti-semities/anti-zionists.




Actually, I think that has some basis from parts of the Bible (Revelation, I think) describing the boundaries of the future kingdom of Israel.

Not the two stripes thing. Don't know how they got that.

Not sure why the Palestinians would care either since they never owned part of Egypt or Iraq...



The Jews only use the Torah, which are the 1st five books of the Bible.

HH



Not true. They use the entire OT. The first 5 books are just the Pentatuch. Or something spelled very similarly.



Yes, you're right. I was thinking of the Pentatuch, too.

HH
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 2:20:15 PM EDT


When asked whether the Hamas would renounce terrorism, Zahar said in a CNN interview, "What is the international definition of terrorism? When (Israeli planes) attack houses by F-16, just when they are using helicopters, when they are killing people and children and removing our agriculture system, this is terrorism."




WHAT agriculture?

ALL of "Palestine" is totally supported by money from the outside. There's no economy there, and the crops and greenhouses they took over from Isreali settlers were destroyed by the Paleys when they took over in Gaza in a fit of...something or other. So yeah, they don't have agriculture.
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 2:20:25 PM EDT

Originally Posted By ANGST:
Reminds me of those "American flag with fringe" nutjobs



I just did a Google search on that subject, out of curiosity.

Good Lord.
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 2:24:39 PM EDT
Israel: Hamas must STFU or prepare to be anihlated
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 2:24:40 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Spade:


When asked whether the Hamas would renounce terrorism, Zahar said in a CNN interview, "What is the international definition of terrorism? When (Israeli planes) attack houses by F-16, just when they are using helicopters, when they are killing people and children and removing our agriculture system, this is terrorism."




WHAT agriculture?

ALL of "Palestine" is totally supported by money from the outside. There's no economy there, and the crops and greenhouses they took over from Isreali settlers were destroyed by the Paleys when they took over in Gaza in a fit of...something or other. So yeah, they don't have agriculture.



Exactly. They produce nothing but terrorism and misery. It's their only reason for existing. They are the leeches of the world, but even leeches had some medical value. These people have zero.

HH
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 2:27:55 PM EDT
Hamas needs to lighten up...
Mall Ninjas have never objected to Isreal using a throwing star in thier flag.


Link Posted: 3/14/2006 2:29:55 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Rudison:
Hamas needs to lighten up...
Mall Ninjas have never objected to Isreal using a throwing star in thier flag.





King David wouldn't approve of calling his Star a throwing star.



HH
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 2:30:58 PM EDT
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 2:38:03 PM EDT

Originally Posted By ANGST:
Reminds me of those "American flag with fringe" nutjobs



What is the deal with that?
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 2:58:06 PM EDT

Originally Posted By callgood:
Change it to one of these

i13.photobucket.com/albums/a288/callgood/kfir.jpg

dropping ordnance on a mud hut.


ETA
Actually, this pic would make a pretty flag all by itself

i13.photobucket.com/albums/a288/callgood/kfir_2.jpg

Weren't there 9 tribes in ancient Israel? Can't remember.




There were 12 tribes.
I'm sure that the Izzy's would be happy to use
those same Kfir fighters in the pic to answer Hamas'
request in a more forceful way.
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 3:09:41 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Spade:


When asked whether the Hamas would renounce terrorism, Zahar said in a CNN interview, "What is the international definition of terrorism? When (Israeli planes) attack houses by F-16, just when they are using helicopters, when they are killing people and children and removing our agriculture system, this is terrorism."




WHAT agriculture?

ALL of "Palestine" is totally supported by money from the outside. There's no economy there, and the crops and greenhouses they took over from Isreali settlers were destroyed by the Paleys when they took over in Gaza in a fit of...something or other. So yeah, they don't have agriculture.



The thing is, the Israelis still control the water. The Palestinians may be sitting on the land, but Israel maintains the right to the water that flows from it. The fields and greenhouses are can't get water. The Israelis go in and destroy any Palestinian efforts to irrigate. Israel won't even let them dig wells.

It's the one big bone I have with the whole issue.
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 3:32:01 PM EDT

Originally Posted By HoustonHusker:

Originally Posted By Rudison:
Hamas needs to lighten up...
Mall Ninjas have never objected to Isreal using a throwing star in thier flag.





King David wouldn't approve of calling his Star a throwing star.



HH



Golda Meyer once questioned the "Luck of the Jews" in finding the only oil-free homeland in the region.

Link Posted: 3/14/2006 3:34:13 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Rudison:

Originally Posted By HoustonHusker:

Originally Posted By Rudison:
Hamas needs to lighten up...
Mall Ninjas have never objected to Isreal using a throwing star in thier flag.





King David wouldn't approve of calling his Star a throwing star.



HH



Golda Meyer once questioned the "Luck of the Jews" in finding the only oil-free homeland in the region.




Well, Golda, take it up with God. That's the land He gave to you!



HH
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 3:43:29 PM EDT

Originally Posted By redpine:
"from the Nile to the Euphrates"...eventualy...



Nah, the Euphrates is ours.[
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 4:01:39 PM EDT
There were 12 tribes, but 10 are "lost."

Israel was given the land from the Nile to the Euphrates. I am a little fuzzy on the northern and southern borders. Israel is supposed to own Bagdad.

One of the reasons that some Jews and Christians get upset with the "land for Peace" deals are that the land is for Israel to occupy, not to give away. God did not give them permission to sell any of the Promised Land.

The Pallestinians, known in the Old Testment as the Philistines, are the desendents of Ismiel, who sold his birthright to Jacob for some soup. God gave them some land, too, but they aren't in it now. The Pallestinians are also thought to be the desendents of the people that Israel was supposed to wipe out when they took possession of the Promised Land. Because they didn't kill them all thousands of years ago, the Jews have problems with them today.

The Old Testament is full of stories in which God told people to do something, and because they did not follow his orders, the situation was screwed up.

Please forgive the spelling errors.
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 4:04:10 PM EDT
I like Israel's flag. it's pretty, yet simple.

Then again, I also think Japan's WWII flag is pretty....

Link Posted: 3/14/2006 4:09:31 PM EDT


"Bring it you assclowns!"
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 4:09:52 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Will-Rogers:

Israel was given the land from the Nile to the Euphrates. I am a little fuzzy on the northern and southern borders. Israel is supposed to own Bagdad.



Why would you post this after two of us have provided the quote, with citation, that says "river to the sea"?

Just curious.

Larry
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 4:47:53 PM EDT
"We'll get right on that"

Israel----> <-----Hamas


GM
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 5:00:30 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/14/2006 5:02:41 PM EDT by Jacketch]
I'm a bit surprised that Mofaz didn't specify the Jizya that Isreal is required to pay HAMAS each year. What kind of Caliphate is this anyhow
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 5:07:13 PM EDT
I think you mean Esau, who was impersonated by his brother to gain his father's blessing for the firstborn.
As for the Philistines, I have read where archaeologists speculate that the Philistines came across the sea from places like Crete..........hence the idol they worshipped called Dagon, with the upper half of a man and lower half of a fish.
I have heard my grandmother say many times when I was a kid that because Saul refused to wipe out those who God told him to, Israel would have trouble until the End Times



Originally Posted By Will-Rogers:
There were 12 tribes, but 10 are "lost."

Israel was given the land from the Nile to the Euphrates. I am a little fuzzy on the northern and southern borders. Israel is supposed to own Bagdad.

One of the reasons that some Jews and Christians get upset with the "land for Peace" deals are that the land is for Israel to occupy, not to give away. God did not give them permission to sell any of the Promised Land.

The Pallestinians, known in the Old Testment as the Philistines, are the desendents of Ismiel, who sold his birthright to Jacob for some soup. God gave them some land, too, but they aren't in it now. The Pallestinians are also thought to be the desendents of the people that Israel was supposed to wipe out when they took possession of the Promised Land. Because they didn't kill them all thousands of years ago, the Jews have problems with them today.

The Old Testament is full of stories in which God told people to do something, and because they did not follow his orders, the situation was screwed up.

Please forgive the spelling errors.

Link Posted: 3/14/2006 6:27:47 PM EDT

Originally Posted By HoustonHusker:

Originally Posted By 1Andy2:

Originally Posted By DK-Prof:
Too bad the "stripes" on the Israeli flag have NOTHING to do with a retarded urban legend about rivers, spread by anti-semities/anti-zionists.




Actually, I think that has some basis from parts of the Bible (Revelation, I think) describing the boundaries of the future kingdom of Israel.

Not the two stripes thing. Don't know how they got that.

Not sure why the Palestinians would care either since they never owned part of Egypt or Iraq...



The Jews only use the Torah, which are the 1st five books of the Bible.

HH




You are forgeting the Talmut
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 6:32:22 PM EDT

Originally Posted By NonConformist:

Originally Posted By HoustonHusker:

Originally Posted By 1Andy2:

Originally Posted By DK-Prof:
Too bad the "stripes" on the Israeli flag have NOTHING to do with a retarded urban legend about rivers, spread by anti-semities/anti-zionists.




Actually, I think that has some basis from parts of the Bible (Revelation, I think) describing the boundaries of the future kingdom of Israel.

Not the two stripes thing. Don't know how they got that.

Not sure why the Palestinians would care either since they never owned part of Egypt or Iraq...



The Jews only use the Torah, which are the 1st five books of the Bible.

HH




You are forgeting the Talmut



You're probably right....I knew it was one of those words!



HH
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 6:34:33 PM EDT
The flag is fine. Rivers..... my D#ck wants to laugh.
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 7:32:57 PM EDT

Originally Posted By redpine:
"from the Nile to the Euphrates"...eventualy...



God gave Israel that amount of land. If they have a problem with it, they can take it up with Him.
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 7:36:11 PM EDT
Ishmael lost out, and Israel was the inheritor.

That's why this problem exists still today and will until the Lord returns.

HH
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 8:05:28 PM EDT
How much you want to bet that within the next 3 months the Bush administration finds a way to circumvent US law and get money to the Palestinians? I personally think it will happen in the next 30 days, but I give it 3 months at the outside. They'll find some excuse, some middle man, that will follow the letter of the law but not the spirit. So will the Euro's.
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 8:15:36 PM EDT
How do you say "MOLON LABE" in Hebrew ??
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 8:39:11 PM EDT

Originally Posted By 1Andy2:

Originally Posted By HoustonHusker:

Originally Posted By 1Andy2:

Originally Posted By DK-Prof:
Too bad the "stripes" on the Israeli flag have NOTHING to do with a retarded urban legend about rivers, spread by anti-semities/anti-zionists.




Actually, I think that has some basis from parts of the Bible (Revelation, I think) describing the boundaries of the future kingdom of Israel.

Not the two stripes thing. Don't know how they got that.

Not sure why the Palestinians would care either since they never owned part of Egypt or Iraq...



The Jews only use the Torah, which are the 1st five books of the Bible.

HH



Not true. They use the entire OT. The first 5 books are just the Pentatuch. Or something spelled very similarly.



Torah and Pentatuch are referring to basically the same thing...

The Torah (Hebrew, "law" or "doctrine"), in Judaism, is the Pentateuch, especially when in the form of a parchment scroll for reading in the synagogue. The Torah is the cornerstone of Jewish religion and law.

The Pentateuch is the five-fold volume, consisting of the first five books of the Old Testament. The books composing the Pentateuch are properly but one book, the "Law of Moses," the "Book of the Law of Moses," the "Book of Moses," or, as the Jews designate it, the "Torah" or "Law.

UNEDITED TO ADD...
I hope that Israel tells the Pallies (and the terrorist group Hamas) where they can put that request
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