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Posted: 3/13/2006 1:13:58 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/13/2006 1:14:32 PM EDT by motown_steve]
There have been like three or four in the last couple of days. The UN is going to take your guns! The EU is going to take your guns! Uncle Sam is going to have the IRS audit you and the BATFE is going to sneak in your house when you're not home and take your guns!!!

Have y'all forgotten the huge strides that we've made in the last 5 years? We've set the anti gun cause back 20 years! Relax.
Link Posted: 3/13/2006 1:15:00 PM EDT
It's Monday. No cop bashing threads till Tuesday.
Link Posted: 3/13/2006 1:15:04 PM EDT
ATF must be writing a report.
Link Posted: 3/13/2006 1:15:08 PM EDT
It's a cycle around here, you'll get used to it.
Link Posted: 3/13/2006 1:31:06 PM EDT
Expect this to be followed by the 'where is your line in the sand' type threads. Much chest thumping to ensue.
Link Posted: 3/13/2006 1:32:03 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/13/2006 1:32:56 PM EDT by Wobblin-Goblin]

Originally Posted By Bama-Shooter:
It's Monday. No cop bashing threads till Tuesday.


And we haven't come up on the bi-monthly "Israel" thread yet.

ETA: Speaking of which, we must be due for another Waco thread pretty quick.

Link Posted: 3/13/2006 1:33:06 PM EDT
Have to wait till the Dems take back the WH and/ or one or both houses of Congress.
Link Posted: 3/13/2006 1:34:59 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Kihn:
Have to wait till the Dems take back the WH and/ or one or both houses of Congress.


This place will go apesh*t if that happens.
Link Posted: 3/13/2006 1:37:17 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Jon3:
Expect this to be followed by the 'where is your line in the sand' type threads. Much chest thumping to ensue.



NRRR! GOR STAND FOR NO CONFISCATION!!!

Oh you want me to stand over here and rant? OK.
Link Posted: 3/13/2006 3:59:40 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Wobblin-Goblin:

Originally Posted By Kihn:
Have to wait till the Dems take back the WH and/ or one or both houses of Congress.


This place will go apesh*t if that happens.



Hell I'll go apeshit if that happens!
Link Posted: 3/13/2006 4:05:58 PM EDT
full moon
Link Posted: 3/13/2006 4:14:50 PM EDT
These posts actually originate from those who plan to do exactly what they describe.
You see, apathy and complacency are the true enemies and they are priming us for it.

When they finally execute their master plan, we'll be so used to hearing that the sky is falling
we'll just look at each other and say,

[Eddie Izzard]Oh bloody, not this shit again.[/Eddie Izzard]

...and the world will end.
Link Posted: 3/13/2006 4:16:23 PM EDT
Link Posted: 3/13/2006 4:21:17 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Bama-Shooter:
It's Monday. No cop bashing threads till Tuesday.



He didn't get the memo.
Link Posted: 3/13/2006 4:24:28 PM EDT
They're a good reminder of what would have happened if we didn't have Bush and a Republican-led congress. And what will happen if we let Democrats regain power in the Senate and/or House in 2006.
Link Posted: 3/13/2006 4:32:59 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/13/2006 4:33:48 PM EDT by AROptics]
34%, 36%, 37% approval is the 2006/08 writing on the wall for Congress changing hands. Nothing done on immigration! Total control of gov't and all we got was the fucking toilet of Iraq with trillions wasted.

If you don't think dems will push an AWB as payback you're dreaming.
Link Posted: 3/13/2006 6:56:13 PM EDT
as a gun owner, one has to stay on top of the news...
Link Posted: 3/13/2006 11:10:12 PM EDT
Link Posted: 3/13/2006 11:20:20 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Wobblin-Goblin:

Originally Posted By Bama-Shooter:
It's Monday. No cop bashing threads till Tuesday.


And we haven't come up on the bi-monthly "Israel" thread yet.

ETA: Speaking of which, we must be due for another Waco thread pretty quick.




Funny you should mention that, we have a thread that is turning into one as we speak.
Link Posted: 3/13/2006 11:24:42 PM EDT
Paul Revere's Ride
Henry Wadsworth Longfellow

Listen my children and you shall hear
Of the midnight ride of Paul Revere,
On the eighteenth of April, in Seventy-five;
Hardly a man is now alive
Who remembers that famous day and year.

He said to his friend, "If the British march
By land or sea from the town to-night,
Hang a lantern aloft in the belfry arch
Of the North Church tower as a signal light,--
One if by land, and two if by sea;
And I on the opposite shore will be,
Ready to ride and spread the alarm
Through every Middlesex village and farm,
For the country folk to be up and to arm."

Then he said "Good-night!" and with muffled oar
Silently rowed to the Charlestown shore,
Just as the moon rose over the bay,
Where swinging wide at her moorings lay
The Somerset, British man-of-war;
A phantom ship, with each mast and spar
Across the moon like a prison bar,
And a huge black hulk, that was magnified
By its own reflection in the tide.

Meanwhile, his friend through alley and street
Wanders and watches, with eager ears,
Till in the silence around him he hears
The muster of men at the barrack door,
The sound of arms, and the tramp of feet,
And the measured tread of the grenadiers,
Marching down to their boats on the shore.

Then he climbed the tower of the Old North Church,
By the wooden stairs, with stealthy tread,
To the belfry chamber overhead,
And startled the pigeons from their perch
On the sombre rafters, that round him made
Masses and moving shapes of shade,--
By the trembling ladder, steep and tall,
To the highest window in the wall,
Where he paused to listen and look down
A moment on the roofs of the town
And the moonlight flowing over all.

Beneath, in the churchyard, lay the dead,
In their night encampment on the hill,
Wrapped in silence so deep and still
That he could hear, like a sentinel's tread,
The watchful night-wind, as it went
Creeping along from tent to tent,
And seeming to whisper, "All is well!"
A moment only he feels the spell
Of the place and the hour, and the secret dread
Of the lonely belfry and the dead;
For suddenly all his thoughts are bent
On a shadowy something far away,
Where the river widens to meet the bay,--
A line of black that bends and floats
On the rising tide like a bridge of boats.

Meanwhile, impatient to mount and ride,
Booted and spurred, with a heavy stride
On the opposite shore walked Paul Revere.
Now he patted his horse's side,
Now he gazed at the landscape far and near,
Then, impetuous, stamped the earth,
And turned and tightened his saddle girth;
But mostly he watched with eager search
The belfry tower of the Old North Church,
As it rose above the graves on the hill,
Lonely and spectral and sombre and still.
And lo! as he looks, on the belfry's height
A glimmer, and then a gleam of light!
He springs to the saddle, the bridle he turns,
But lingers and gazes, till full on his sight
A second lamp in the belfry burns.

A hurry of hoofs in a village street,
A shape in the moonlight, a bulk in the dark,
And beneath, from the pebbles, in passing, a spark
Struck out by a steed flying fearless and fleet;
That was all! And yet, through the gloom and the light,
The fate of a nation was riding that night;
And the spark struck out by that steed, in his flight,
Kindled the land into flame with its heat.
He has left the village and mounted the steep,
And beneath him, tranquil and broad and deep,
Is the Mystic, meeting the ocean tides;
And under the alders that skirt its edge,
Now soft on the sand, now loud on the ledge,
Is heard the tramp of his steed as he rides.

It was twelve by the village clock
When he crossed the bridge into Medford town.
He heard the crowing of the cock,
And the barking of the farmer's dog,
And felt the damp of the river fog,
That rises after the sun goes down.

It was one by the village clock,
When he galloped into Lexington.
He saw the gilded weathercock
Swim in the moonlight as he passed,
And the meeting-house windows, black and bare,
Gaze at him with a spectral glare,
As if they already stood aghast
At the bloody work they would look upon.

It was two by the village clock,
When he came to the bridge in Concord town.
He heard the bleating of the flock,
And the twitter of birds among the trees,
And felt the breath of the morning breeze
Blowing over the meadow brown.
And one was safe and asleep in his bed
Who at the bridge would be first to fall,
Who that day would be lying dead,
Pierced by a British musket ball.

You know the rest. In the books you have read
How the British Regulars fired and fled,---
How the farmers gave them ball for ball,
>From behind each fence and farmyard wall,
Chasing the redcoats down the lane,
Then crossing the fields to emerge again
Under the trees at the turn of the road,
And only pausing to fire and load.

So through the night rode Paul Revere;
And so through the night went his cry of alarm
To every Middlesex village and farm,---
A cry of defiance, and not of fear,
A voice in the darkness, a knock at the door,
And a word that shall echo for evermore!
For, borne on the night-wind of the Past,
Through all our history, to the last,
In the hour of darkness and peril and need,
The people will waken and listen to hear
The hurrying hoof-beats of that steed,
And the midnight message of Paul Revere.


History of April 19th: Oklahoma City, Waco, Warsaw, Concord
Sun Tzu's Newswire (STN 2000-025)
by Richard Rongstad
Tuesday, April 18, 2000
10:30 am U.S. Pacific Time

April 19th is just around the corner. Are you ready? The nineteenth day of April has very special meanings for all Americans, and all Jews. April 19th is a crossroads in history where suffering and sacrifice, patriotism and tyranny, liberty and slavery, religious persecution and bigotry all intersect, again, and again. For citizens of Massachusetts, April 19th marks Patriot's Day and for all Americans, the date of the "Shot heard 'round the world", when colonial militias defied orders to surrender their guns and routed King George's redcoats. For Jews, April 19th is the day Nazi storm troops surrounded the Warsaw Ghetto, sparking a revolt led by a few young Jews who refused to be enslaved or incinerated. For modern American patriots, April 19th marks the day 76 members of a religious minority died in an assault by federal paramilitary forces, aided and advised by regular military units. For the people of Oklahoma City, April 19th marks the day that 168 people died in an explosion at the Murrah Federal Building.

April 19, 1775 - The shot heard 'round the world: The Battles at Lexington Green and Concord Bridge. Warned by Paul Revere, William Dawes and Samuel Prescott, the Massachusetts militia mobilized to block a larger, better trained British force coming to seize militia weapons at Concord. At Lexington, Major John Pitcairn leading a detachment of Royal Marines told the colonists there: "Disperse, you rebels! Damn you, through down your arms, and disperse!" Nobody knows who fired the first shot at Lexington Green, but the colonial militia refused confiscation of their guns and the British drove them back in the initial encounter. After regrouping the colonial militia did better, turning back the British at Concord Bridge and forcing a disorderly British flight back to Boston. The road back became a deadly gauntlet as farmers from "every Middlesex village and farm" sniped from behind stone walls, trees, barns, houses, all the way back to Charlestown peninsula. By nightfall the British survivors were safe under the protection of the Royal Navy and British army at Boston, having lost 273 men that day, while the Americans lost 95. The following year, the colonial Americans declared independence, a date now marked as July 4th, a national holiday. Months after participating in the actions at Lexington and Concord, a former slave, a black African named Salem Prince was introduced to General George Washington as the sharpshooter who killed Major Pitcairn at Bunker Hill (June 1775). April 19th is celebrated as a holiday only in Massachusetts.

April 19, 1943 - The Warsaw Ghetto Revolt - When Nazi SS units tried to remove the remaining occupants of the Ghetto for extermination and slave labor, Jewish resistance to tyranny, slavery and religious persecution was reborn and set the spark that created the modern state of Israel. A reading of the events surrounding the Warsaw Ghetto Revolt in 1943 comes from a Jewish synagogue: "Congregation: We remember the Warsaw ghetto on the dawn of the first day of Passover, April 19, 1943. The Nazis were coming to complete the deportation of the remaining Jews to the death camps. A shot rang out on Nalevki Street, signaling the beginning of the revolt. A few hundred Jews with a few guns and hand grenades had decided to resist the tremendous power of the German army and the Gestapo. The courageous men and women of the Jewish Fighting Organization held out for forty-two days." From the Warsaw Ghetto on April 23, 1943 Mordecai Anielewicz observed "The Germans ran twice from the Ghetto....The dream of my life has risen to become a fact....Jewish armed resistance and revenge are facts. I have been witness to the magnificent, heroic fighting of Jewish men of battle." A majority voting bloc of American Jews now presents a puzzling moral and political paradox, they support victim disarmament by registration of guns and gun owners. The unregistered guns used by the Warsaw Jews did not have trigger locks.

April 19, 1993 - Massacre of Branch Davidian religious minority at Waco, Texas. Clinton appointee Attorney General Janet Reno accepted "responsibility" for the disaster, but the principle of accountability was ignored. On February 28, federal paramilitary forces laid siege to the Branch Davidian's home and 6 Davidians and 4 ATF agents died in the initial raid. The final assault on April resulted in the deaths of 76 Branch Davidians, including two unborn children. Steven Barry, a U.S. Army Special Forces soldier and others protested military involvement, but involvement of the elite Delta Force was covered up along with many other blunders by the Clinton Administration. Sergeant First Class Barry continued his protest by founding the Special Forces Underground and publishing a political warfare journal called The RESISTER and was eventually hounded into retirement. Nine Branch Davidians remain imprisoned. Nobody from the Clinton White House, Reno's Department of Justice, the FBI, the BATF or the Department of Defense has been tried, convicted or jailed. News services carried stories of a few federal demotions and promotions of those involved.

April 19, 1995 - Oklahoma City - Murrah Federal Building bombed. Timothy McVeigh was among many Americans expressing frustration at the lack of accountability for the Waco Incident. But McVeigh was convicted of bombing the federal building and sentenced to death. But could the motive for the bombing have been removed if Clinton, Reno, the FBI, the BATF and military had been truly held accountable "with justice for all"? A newspaper clipping found in Timothy McVeigh's car was titled "Waco Shootout Evokes Memory of Warsaw '43'", comparing the Branch Davidian tragedy with the Nazi assault on the Warsaw Ghetto in 1943, was a letter to the editor published in The Wall Street Journal. Federal prosecutors claimed the Waco siege so angered McVeigh that he masterminded and carried out the bombing in Oklahoma City.

April 19, 2000 - Miami - the Elian Gonzalez standoff - As the case of 6-year-old Cuban refugee Elian Gonzalez hurtles to a confrontation between Janet Reno and the boy's Miami relatives, news reports speculate that Reno will not send U.S. Marshals to remove Elian tomorrow (April 19). The dark legacy of the Waco Incident hangs heavily over the Clinton Administration and Janet Reno's Department of Justice. Members of the Cuban-American community in Miami have vowed to resist any attempt to physically remove Elian from his Miami relatives. Marshals ready if needed for Elian (UPI April 17, 2000)

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