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Posted: 3/11/2006 4:02:34 AM EDT
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AMSTERDAM, Netherlands - Slobodan Milosevic, the former Serbian president who orchestrated the Balkan wars of the 1990s and was on trial for war crimes, was found dead in his prison cell near The Hague, the U.N. tribunal said Saturday.


Milosevic, 64, apparently died of natural causes, a tribunal press officer said. He was found dead in his bed at the U.N. detention center.

Milosevic has been on trial since February 2002, defending himself against 66 counts of crimes, including genocide, in Croatia, Bosnia and Kosovo.

The trial repeatedly was interrupted by Milosevic's poor health and chronic heart condition. It was recessed last week until Tuesday to await his next defense witness.

His death comes less than a week after the star witness in his trial, former Croatian Serb leader Milan Babic, was found dead in the same prison. Babic, who was serving a 13-year prison sentence, committed suicide. He testified against Milosevic in 2002.

Link Posted: 3/11/2006 4:04:38 AM EDT
Hmmm.
Link Posted: 3/11/2006 4:07:17 AM EDT
He did kill a lot of Islamo-facists.
Link Posted: 3/11/2006 4:07:32 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/11/2006 4:07:54 AM EDT by 2A373]

Originally Posted By Wobblin-Goblin:
Hmmm.




Wonder if someone got feed up with the trial taking over 4 years and decided to end it.
Link Posted: 3/11/2006 4:11:05 AM EDT
Yeah, someone must have poked him in the leg with an umbrella.

Link Posted: 3/11/2006 4:20:13 AM EDT
My heart bleeds.
Link Posted: 3/11/2006 4:20:47 AM EDT
"Nautural" causes. Eh, either way, hes dead as he should be. Apparently a little less painfully than he should have been, after hearing the stories from the guys in my company who had BTDT.
Link Posted: 3/11/2006 4:27:23 AM EDT
That's a shame he had to die in prison.
Link Posted: 3/11/2006 4:29:31 AM EDT

Originally Posted By VooDoo3dfx:
My heart bleeds.



mine too....

Link Posted: 3/11/2006 4:31:01 AM EDT
That's too bad... i guess
Link Posted: 3/11/2006 4:41:01 AM EDT
Link Posted: 3/11/2006 4:43:03 AM EDT
Speaking of trouble spots on the globe, I wonder why we don't fire cruise missiles into Zimbabwe, killing Black Zimbabwean woman and children, arrest and try Robert Mugabe for crimes against humanity, lock him in a cell for 4 years and let him die?

It doesn’t fit America’s agenda I suppose.

Oh well, at least the world economy is safe now that the former democratically-elected President of the sovereign country of Yugoslavia is dead and gone…
Link Posted: 3/11/2006 4:47:22 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/11/2006 4:48:55 AM EDT by raven]

Originally Posted By C-4:
He did kill a lot of Islamo-facists.



No, he didn't. Muslim does not equal islamofascists. The Muslims living there in Yugoslavia werent jihadists, or wahabists, or giving anyone any grief. Milosevic and the Serbs were criminals for what they did to the Muslims.

There are horrible islamofascists out there, but the civilians Milosevic and his merry band of a-holes went after at Sarejevo and Sbrenicia were not them.
Link Posted: 3/11/2006 4:51:20 AM EDT
Link Posted: 3/11/2006 4:53:33 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Zarathustra1:
Speaking of trouble spots on the globe, I wonder why we don't fire cruise missiles into Zimbabwe, killing Black Zimbabwean woman and children, arrest and try Robert Mugabe for crimes against humanity, lock him in a cell for 4 years and let him die?

It doesn’t fit America’s agenda I suppose.

Oh well, at least the world economy is safe now that the former democratically-elected President of the sovereign country of Yugoslavia is dead and gone…



Link Posted: 3/11/2006 4:58:18 AM EDT

Originally Posted By raven:

Originally Posted By C-4:
He did kill a lot of Islamo-facists.



No, he didn't. Muslim does not equal islamofascists. The Muslims living there in Yugoslavia werent jihadists, or wahabists, or giving anyone any grief. Milosevic and the Serbs were criminals for what they did to the Muslims.

There are horrible islamofascists out there, but the civilians Milosevic and his merry band of a-holes went after at Sarejevo and Sbrenicia were not them.



Yugoslavia is a soverign country. It is no business of any other country how they deal with their internal problems, just as it is no business of any other country how we deal with ours. We went in and arrested their elected President, not to mention firing cruise missiles and sending in troops, even though there was no hint of outside aggression on Yugoslavia's part. We just didn't like how they were running things...

They wanted an ethnically pure state, their elected President was giving it to them, and we decided that was not in their best interests.

Link Posted: 3/11/2006 5:00:55 AM EDT

Originally Posted By COZ:




What are you 12?

Add something useful to the discussion or go find somewhere to post "dupe" or "87."
Link Posted: 3/11/2006 5:02:00 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/11/2006 5:03:15 AM EDT by COZ]

Originally Posted By Zarathustra1:

Originally Posted By raven:

Originally Posted By C-4:
He did kill a lot of Islamo-facists.



No, he didn't. Muslim does not equal islamofascists. The Muslims living there in Yugoslavia werent jihadists, or wahabists, or giving anyone any grief. Milosevic and the Serbs were criminals for what they did to the Muslims.

There are horrible islamofascists out there, but the civilians Milosevic and his merry band of a-holes went after at Sarejevo and Sbrenicia were not them.



Yugoslavia is a soverign country. It is no business of any other country how they deal with their internal problems, just as it is no business of any other country how we deal with ours. We went in and arrested their elected President, not to mention firing cruise missiles and sending in troops, even though there was no hint of outside aggression on Yugoslavia's part. We just didn't like how they were running things...

They wanted an ethnically pure state, their elected President was giving it to them, and we decided that was not in their best interests.




So no problem if Pres. Bush decides to ethnically cleanse your dumbass out of Texas. Damn where do you people come from.

The Germans wanted to cleanse the world of Jews, Were we out of line there also?
Link Posted: 3/11/2006 5:04:02 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Zarathustra1:

Originally Posted By COZ:




What are you 12?

Add something useful to the discussion or go find somewhere to post "dupe" or "87."



DUPE!
87!
TROLL!
Link Posted: 3/11/2006 5:04:47 AM EDT

Originally Posted By COZ:

So no problem if Pres. Bush decides to ethnically cleanse your dumbass out of Texas. Damn where do you people come from.



That's not the point. The point is one country deciding how another country will conduct its internal affairs, even though that country is not threatining any other countries with its actions.



Link Posted: 3/11/2006 5:10:50 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Zarathustra1:

Originally Posted By COZ:

So no problem if Pres. Bush decides to ethnically cleanse your dumbass out of Texas. Damn where do you people come from.



That's not the point. The point is one country deciding how another country will conduct its internal affairs, even though that country is not threatining any other countries with its actions.






I wasn't aware that the standard was we can only attempt to stop genocide if it splashes out over a countries border. Killing an entire class of people because they are not of your religion or race is wrong no matter who does it. If the US starts rounding up Muslims within our borders for execution you can bet your ass the world will have a problem with it.
Link Posted: 3/11/2006 5:14:28 AM EDT
Hold on! Wait a minute! I have one right here...somewhere...now what did I do with that "Rat's Ass" I was saving for just such an occassion?
Link Posted: 3/11/2006 5:15:05 AM EDT

Originally Posted By COZ:

I wasn't aware that the standard was we can only attempt to stop genocide if it splashes out over a countries border. Killing an entire class of people because they are not of your religion or race is wrong no matter who does it. If the US starts rounding up Muslims within our borders for execution you can bet your ass the world will have a problem with it.



What is your proof that it is "wrong?"

Are you saying it is morally wrong?
Link Posted: 3/11/2006 5:15:53 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Zarathustra1:

Originally Posted By COZ:




What are you 12?

Add something useful to the discussion or go find somewhere to post "dupe" or "87."




Nope not 12, Just didn't figure there was any point in arguing about it. After your last sentence I figured it would be pointless to try.


They wanted an ethnically pure state, their elected President was giving it to them, and we decided that was not in their best interests.


I've never posted "87" or even bothered to find out what it means. I would also love to "Ethnically cleanse anybody who posts "DUPE".
Link Posted: 3/11/2006 5:17:00 AM EDT
Well, I've never posted 87 or dupe, so I think I'm safe for now...
Link Posted: 3/11/2006 5:17:35 AM EDT

Originally Posted By COZ:
So no problem if Pres. Bush decides to ethnically cleanse your dumbass out of Texas. Damn where do you people come from.

The Germans wanted to cleanse the world of Jews, Were we out of line there also?



Given the anti-semitism of the time, the United States would not have invaded Germany if they had confined their concentration camps for Jews, homosexuals and Communists to Germany proper. The United States turned away a lot of Jews at the time who, no doubt, ended up back in Germany to die in the camps.

Why aren't we in Chechnya? Or are they 'bad' Islamo-facists muslims?
Link Posted: 3/11/2006 5:19:01 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Zarathustra1:

Originally Posted By COZ:

I wasn't aware that the standard was we can only attempt to stop genocide if it splashes out over a countries border. Killing an entire class of people because they are not of your religion or race is wrong no matter who does it. If the US starts rounding up Muslims within our borders for execution you can bet your ass the world will have a problem with it.



What is your proof that it is "wrong?"

Are you saying it is morally wrong?



Like I said, I figured it would be pointless. If we have to nit pick about wether or not genocide is morally wrong or just plain wrong than I am going to go eat breakfast and get outside. It is a pretty nice day.
Link Posted: 3/11/2006 5:19:37 AM EDT

Originally Posted By COZ:

The Germans wanted to cleanse the world of Jews, Were we out of line there also?



The Germans were invading other countries, unlike Yugoslavia.
Link Posted: 3/11/2006 5:22:09 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/11/2006 5:22:32 AM EDT by Zarathustra1]

Originally Posted By COZ:

Like I said, I figured it would be pointless. If we have to nit pick about wether or not genocide is morally wrong or just plain wrong than I am going to go eat breakfast and get outside. It is a pretty nice day.



Well, if it is so obvious, give me a proof in words why it is always wrong in all cases, and I will be convinced. Just one sentence will be fine, then go enjoy your day...

Why is it wrong?

Link Posted: 3/11/2006 5:24:03 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/11/2006 5:25:47 AM EDT by raven]

Originally Posted By Zarathustra1:

Originally Posted By raven:

Originally Posted By C-4:
He did kill a lot of Islamo-facists.



No, he didn't. Muslim does not equal islamofascists. The Muslims living there in Yugoslavia werent jihadists, or wahabists, or giving anyone any grief. Milosevic and the Serbs were criminals for what they did to the Muslims.

There are horrible islamofascists out there, but the civilians Milosevic and his merry band of a-holes went after at Sarejevo and Sbrenicia were not them.



Yugoslavia is a soverign country. It is no business of any other country how they deal with their internal problems, just as it is no business of any other country how we deal with ours. We went in and arrested their elected President, not to mention firing cruise missiles and sending in troops, even though there was no hint of outside aggression on Yugoslavia's part. We just didn't like how they were running things...

They wanted an ethnically pure state, their elected President was giving it to them, and we decided that was not in their best interests.




Even if that's all true, dont call the poor civilians going about their lives who Milosevic and the Serbs killed because of their religion "islamofascists" or think Milosevic somehow killed our enemies by doing so. He didn't. I know YOU didn't say that, C-4 did. I was just pointing out how wrong he was.
Link Posted: 3/11/2006 5:27:00 AM EDT

Originally Posted By raven:

Even if that's all true, dont call the poor civilians going about their lives who Milosevic and the Serbs killed because of their religion "islamofascists" or think Milosevic somehow killed our enemies by doing so. He didn't.



I don't care who he killed in his country.

I'm not defending him because I think he was helping rid the world of Islam. I am simply defending him in principle.
Link Posted: 3/11/2006 5:27:41 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/11/2006 5:28:04 AM EDT by ZitiForBreakfast]
Good, he is one of the reasons I spent countless months doing Gator Squares before we actually got to do something.

Link Posted: 3/11/2006 5:36:18 AM EDT

Originally Posted By VooDoo3dfx:
My heart bleeds.



+1.
Link Posted: 3/11/2006 5:45:27 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Zarathustra1:

Originally Posted By raven:

Even if that's all true, dont call the poor civilians going about their lives who Milosevic and the Serbs killed because of their religion "islamofascists" or think Milosevic somehow killed our enemies by doing so. He didn't.



I don't care who he killed in his country.

I'm not defending him because I think he was helping rid the world of Islam. I am simply defending him in principle.



Slobo was in the Hague for complicity in genocide against the citizens of two other countries, recognized by the United States as independent nations.

Whether they are or should have been, or whether Yugoslavia should have broken up, immaterial. The guy was a bastard. I watched them dig up the bones of children in Sanica from a pit a few years ago. Thanks Slobo!
Link Posted: 3/11/2006 6:04:12 AM EDT

Originally Posted By COZ:

Originally Posted By Zarathustra1:
Yugoslavia is a soverign country. It is no business of any other country how they deal with their internal problems, just as it is no business of any other country how we deal with ours. We went in and arrested their elected President, not to mention firing cruise missiles and sending in troops, even though there was no hint of outside aggression on Yugoslavia's part. We just didn't like how they were running things...

They wanted an ethnically pure state, their elected President was giving it to them, and we decided that was not in their best interests.


The Germans wanted to cleanse the world of Jews, Were we out of line there also?


Learn your history, friend. Nobody would have given two sh*ts about what Germany was doing to German Jews, much less go to war over it. WWII started because Germany invaded Poland.
Link Posted: 3/11/2006 6:07:36 AM EDT
It is a Sad day now that he is gone.


Link Posted: 3/11/2006 6:10:14 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Zarathustra1:

Originally Posted By COZ:

Like I said, I figured it would be pointless. If we have to nit pick about wether or not genocide is morally wrong or just plain wrong than I am going to go eat breakfast and get outside. It is a pretty nice day.



Well, if it is so obvious, give me a proof in words why it is always wrong in all cases, and I will be convinced. Just one sentence will be fine, then go enjoy your day...

Why is it wrong?




Ok, the killing of any innocent person (define innocent as not posing a threat to anyone's life) is wrong. The killing of thousands of them because of a deep rooted hatred of some cultural difference is even more so. If you can't figure that out on your own, than that's your problem. The burden of proof is on you to somehow prove that genocide is EVER right, which in never was, is, or will be.

Fuck you, you Nazi fuck. Is that sentence good enough for you. Enjoy your day.
Link Posted: 3/11/2006 6:12:23 AM EDT

Originally Posted By rifleman2000:
Fuck you, you Nazi fuck.


Ahhhhh. Trotting out the old warhorse, eh?
Link Posted: 3/11/2006 6:13:22 AM EDT
buh bye
Link Posted: 3/11/2006 6:15:30 AM EDT

Originally Posted By AFARR:
Yeah, someone must have poked him in the leg with an umbrella.




Just a little dab will do you!
Link Posted: 3/11/2006 6:17:30 AM EDT
Good.

What did that trial cost?
Link Posted: 3/11/2006 6:24:12 AM EDT
Link Posted: 3/11/2006 6:25:54 AM EDT
Hey pal, Yugoslavia hasn't existed since the early 90's. You might recall a couple of little wars in the Balkans that ended that. He was the President of Serbia when we pinched him. As for not giving a shit what someone does in his own country, imagine if Clinton had led the south into an cleansing of the rest of the country. I sure as shit hope that the rest of the world would get involved in stopping something like that.

Having said that, I've been to Bosnia three times. I've seen the mass graves and rape hotels and the mines and UXO's and the remains of cities. When leaders get out of hand it is up to the rest of humanity to stop them. May Milosevic rot in hell.
Link Posted: 3/11/2006 6:26:29 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Sylvan:
Ironic to call him a Nazi.
The Serbs were the only ones to support us during WWII.
The Croats killed 10s of thousands of serbs and ethnically cleansed half a million out of Croatia with American support.
Any Croats on trial?
Kosovo was a state of Serbia for over 500 years. We ethnically cleansed that of Serbs for Albanians who already have their own country. Perhaps when Mexicans comprise a majority of any state the UN should bomb us so we can give that state to the new commers. Sounds fair, according to you guys.
We bombed bridges, power plants and hospitals because, well, why exactly? Did Serbia pose a threat to the United States?
If y'alls premise holds true, shouldn't we be balls to the wall in the Sudan right now? Or is that OK because its darkies getting murdered? Pretty hypocritical, don't you think?
how many times have people on here mouthed off about muslims in the United States? They comprise less than 3% of the population. In yugoslavia they were 30% and being supported by Osama Bin Laden (yes, we were the air force for al queda in Yugoslavia) nad the wahhibis out of saudi arabia.
I have been to ethnically cleansed villages in Bosnia and Srpska. Some were muslim, some were serbs.
It was a nasty little civil war. How did we decide which side to choose?
Bosnia was Bill Clinton trying to get in good with his european socialist cousins who wanted to appease muslims in their country. Just like Haiti, we got involved in something that didn't concern us. They wanted Milosovic to be the new Hitler and feel good about themselves. Just wasn't the way it was. How many people here would be screaming for civil war if 30% of our country was muslim.
Like it or not, our foray into the Balkans was wrong. Either that, or we have made it american policy to interfere militarily whenever some poor innocents are getting whacked.
How many countries in Africa should be be deployed to right now?


Good post.
Link Posted: 3/11/2006 6:27:21 AM EDT

Originally Posted By raven:

Originally Posted By C-4:
He did kill a lot of Islamo-facists.



No, he didn't. Muslim does not equal islamofascists. The Muslims living there in Yugoslavia werent jihadists, or wahabists, or giving anyone any grief. Milosevic and the Serbs were criminals for what they did to the Muslims.

There are horrible islamofascists out there, but the civilians Milosevic and his merry band of a-holes went after at Sarejevo and Sbrenicia were not them.



Hmmm. Don't agree with you there. The stories I heard were that the muslim population had grossly exagerated the situation and the Serbs were reacting to the continued pricks of a muslim population that had been in a guerrilla war with them for nearly a thousand years. I think there are some very valuable lessons to be learned from the whole situation.
Link Posted: 3/11/2006 6:28:27 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Zarathustra1:
Well, I've never posted 87 or dupe, so I think I'm safe for now...


You just did.
Also, I wish Saddam would come to the same end.
Link Posted: 3/11/2006 6:39:01 AM EDT
This is good news!

How dare these Serbs defend themselves.

The next time Christians are attacked by their Muslim neighbors, the lesson should be:

"Don't fight back. The UN will punish you, and the United States will provide the military force".

Anyway...how many Muslims have been persecuted for "war crimes", eh?
Link Posted: 3/11/2006 6:41:11 AM EDT
+1..............the Serbs have been fighting with them since the Field of Blackbirds around the Ottoman incursion into Europe.


Originally Posted By Wobblin-Goblin:

Originally Posted By Sylvan:
Ironic to call him a Nazi.
The Serbs were the only ones to support us during WWII.
The Croats killed 10s of thousands of serbs and ethnically cleansed half a million out of Croatia with American support.
Any Croats on trial?
Kosovo was a state of Serbia for over 500 years. We ethnically cleansed that of Serbs for Albanians who already have their own country. Perhaps when Mexicans comprise a majority of any state the UN should bomb us so we can give that state to the new commers. Sounds fair, according to you guys.
We bombed bridges, power plants and hospitals because, well, why exactly? Did Serbia pose a threat to the United States?
If y'alls premise holds true, shouldn't we be balls to the wall in the Sudan right now? Or is that OK because its darkies getting murdered? Pretty hypocritical, don't you think?
how many times have people on here mouthed off about muslims in the United States? They comprise less than 3% of the population. In yugoslavia they were 30% and being supported by Osama Bin Laden (yes, we were the air force for al queda in Yugoslavia) nad the wahhibis out of saudi arabia.
I have been to ethnically cleansed villages in Bosnia and Srpska. Some were muslim, some were serbs.
It was a nasty little civil war. How did we decide which side to choose?
Bosnia was Bill Clinton trying to get in good with his european socialist cousins who wanted to appease muslims in their country. Just like Haiti, we got involved in something that didn't concern us. They wanted Milosovic to be the new Hitler and feel good about themselves. Just wasn't the way it was. How many people here would be screaming for civil war if 30% of our country was muslim.
Like it or not, our foray into the Balkans was wrong. Either that, or we have made it american policy to interfere militarily whenever some poor innocents are getting whacked.
How many countries in Africa should be be deployed to right now?


Good post.

Link Posted: 3/11/2006 6:49:11 AM EDT

Originally Posted By raven:

Muslim does not equal islamofascists.



Wrong. ALL muslims are POTENTIAL islamofascists. Haven't you been paying attention to the news?




Originally Posted By raven:

The Muslims living there in Yugoslavia werent jihadists, or wahabists, or giving anyone any grief.



Jihad is integral to islam. And your facts are wrong here. The muslims were the agressors here as always.

Link Posted: 3/11/2006 6:56:20 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Wobblin-Goblin:

Originally Posted By Sylvan:
Ironic to call him a Nazi.
The Serbs were the only ones to support us during WWII.
The Croats killed 10s of thousands of serbs and ethnically cleansed half a million out of Croatia with American support.
Any Croats on trial?
Kosovo was a state of Serbia for over 500 years. We ethnically cleansed that of Serbs for Albanians who already have their own country. Perhaps when Mexicans comprise a majority of any state the UN should bomb us so we can give that state to the new commers. Sounds fair, according to you guys.
We bombed bridges, power plants and hospitals because, well, why exactly? Did Serbia pose a threat to the United States?
If y'alls premise holds true, shouldn't we be balls to the wall in the Sudan right now? Or is that OK because its darkies getting murdered? Pretty hypocritical, don't you think?
how many times have people on here mouthed off about muslims in the United States? They comprise less than 3% of the population. In yugoslavia they were 30% and being supported by Osama Bin Laden (yes, we were the air force for al queda in Yugoslavia) nad the wahhibis out of saudi arabia.
I have been to ethnically cleansed villages in Bosnia and Srpska. Some were muslim, some were serbs.
It was a nasty little civil war. How did we decide which side to choose?
Bosnia was Bill Clinton trying to get in good with his european socialist cousins who wanted to appease muslims in their country. Just like Haiti, we got involved in something that didn't concern us. They wanted Milosovic to be the new Hitler and feel good about themselves. Just wasn't the way it was. How many people here would be screaming for civil war if 30% of our country was muslim.
Like it or not, our foray into the Balkans was wrong. Either that, or we have made it american policy to interfere militarily whenever some poor innocents are getting whacked.
How many countries in Africa should be be deployed to right now?


Good post.



Plus 2
Link Posted: 3/11/2006 6:56:38 AM EDT
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