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Posted: 3/10/2006 11:36:44 AM EDT
I cannot find any source for this in our archives. Sounds like total BS to me.
Link Posted: 3/10/2006 11:37:33 AM EDT
whats a 25mm bushmaster?
Link Posted: 3/10/2006 11:37:40 AM EDT
heh

ignorance. those 25mm bushmaster uppers are nice, but pricey!
Link Posted: 3/10/2006 11:39:02 AM EDT
M242 Bushmaster 25mm cannon, as used in the Bradley

Link Posted: 3/10/2006 11:39:18 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/10/2006 11:40:43 AM EDT by copenhagen]
Total BS. If our main battle tank can be knocked out by 25mm we would have serious problems.
Link Posted: 3/10/2006 11:44:19 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/10/2006 11:44:32 AM EDT by vito113]
Link Posted: 3/10/2006 11:44:58 AM EDT
Well, it could be true. We all know that single shot .50BMG rifles can be used to shoot down airplanes.
Link Posted: 3/10/2006 11:45:26 AM EDT

Originally Posted By vito113:
TRUE:

A couple of M1's were disabled by hits from Bradleys during GW1

ANdy



Yep, seen the pics.
Link Posted: 3/10/2006 11:46:08 AM EDT
That Bushmaster was getting full penetration (through and through) on the Iraqi soviet tanks with the DU rounds, IIRC, in this war.
Link Posted: 3/10/2006 11:49:00 AM EDT
The M242 doesn't do shit to M1's in BF2 !!
Link Posted: 3/10/2006 11:50:03 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/10/2006 12:00:59 PM EDT by Alien]

Originally Posted By copenhagen:
Total BS. If our main battle tank can be knocked out by 25mm we would have serious problems.



Don't we use DU in our 25mm cannons as well as 30mm cannons? It's much denser than steel and sort of forces its way in through armor, though the M1 is supposed to have really good armor. I am not sure if the Russians use DU, but I know the American and British forces do and it gives us a pretty nice advantage against other armor.
Link Posted: 3/10/2006 11:51:38 AM EDT
It's a combination of depleted uranium rounds and getting hit in the rear where the armor is thinest.

AFAIK there isn't a weapon feilded that can take out an Abrams in the frontal arc.
Link Posted: 3/10/2006 11:52:02 AM EDT

Originally Posted By ClayP:
I cannot find any source for this in our archives. Sounds like total BS to me.


Mobility kills - through the engine grates, disabled the powerpack. But nothing through armor of any
consequence.
Link Posted: 3/10/2006 11:52:04 AM EDT
Link Posted: 3/10/2006 11:57:42 AM EDT
Nobody has yet asked the question: Why was a Bradley shooting at an Abrams? Or was it an ND?
Link Posted: 3/10/2006 11:58:27 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/10/2006 11:59:27 AM EDT by Mauser101]

Originally Posted By ClayP:
I cannot find any source for this in our archives. Sounds like total BS to me.



Shouldn't friend making such claims have to back them up with trustworthy sources rather than you having to refute something that may never have happened?
Link Posted: 3/10/2006 11:59:36 AM EDT
Link Posted: 3/10/2006 11:59:50 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Sylvan:
An M-1 has only one weak point and thats its ass.
You have to hit it point blank and you have to hit it from behind!



Odd Ball
Link Posted: 3/10/2006 12:00:53 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Alien:

Originally Posted By copenhagen:
Total BS. If our main battle tank can be knocked out by 25mm we would have serious problems.



Don't we use DU in our 25mm cannons as well as 30mm cannons? It's much denser than steel and sort of forces its way in through armor, though the M1 is supposed to have really good armor.




But of course.

AP/Sabot/DU rounds in the M242 and DU in the 30mm(A-10/Apache).
Link Posted: 3/10/2006 12:05:44 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Sylvan:
An M-1 has only one weak point and thats its ass.
You have to hit it point blank and you have to hit it from behind!



Not if your troops have a secret M-1 tank killing round.
www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1010258/posts?page=22
Link Posted: 3/10/2006 12:09:34 PM EDT
How would a Bradley (or similar vehicle) get within cannon range of a M1 without getting mauled?
Link Posted: 3/10/2006 12:12:18 PM EDT

Originally Posted By NoVaGator:
How would a Bradley (or similar vehicle) get within cannon range of a M1 without getting mauled?



Friendly fire.


Ever seen the movie with Denzel Washington and Meg Ryan? About her winning the MOH, IIRC?
Link Posted: 3/10/2006 12:13:13 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/10/2006 12:14:25 PM EDT by vmax84]

Originally Posted By NoVaGator:
How would a Bradley (or similar vehicle) get within cannon range of a M1 without getting mauled?



Aren't there enough tango's to shoot at besides each other? When you're drinkin', settle it the ole' fashion way..........go outside and duke it out..........STAY OUT OF THE VEHICLES WHEN DRINKIN'!!!!

vmax84
Link Posted: 3/10/2006 12:17:22 PM EDT

Originally Posted By NoVaGator:
How would a Bradley (or similar vehicle) get within cannon range of a M1 without getting mauled?



Proper use of terrain and cover. Besides I wouldn't engage a M1 with the 242, thats what the TOW IIB is for. During Desert Storm, we used the 242 on BMP'S and other light armor, trucks etc., but when it came to tanks we always went with the TOW.


Here's the results of a TOW on a T-72.
Link Posted: 3/10/2006 12:22:03 PM EDT

Originally Posted By DSVET91:

Originally Posted By NoVaGator:
How would a Bradley (or similar vehicle) get within cannon range of a M1 without getting mauled?



Proper use of terrain and cover. Besides I wouldn't engage a M1 with the 242, thats what the TOW IIB is for. During Desert Storm, we used the 242 on BMP'S and other light armor, trucks etc., but when it came to tanks we always went with the TOW.


Here's the results of a TOW on a T-72.
img216.imageshack.us/img216/9568/t72a0sz.jpg



Sure, WE can get within range of a T-72, but could any of our likely enemies sneak up on a M1 undetected considering all of the elint we have on the battlefield?

It's not like M1s are out there crusing around solo, right?
Link Posted: 3/10/2006 12:23:38 PM EDT
My unit was killing Iraqi armor with TPT rounds out of the Brad main gun... they didn't realize it was loaded till AFTERWARDS...

So, I could see accidental mobility kills on Abrams with real AP ammo.

Link Posted: 3/10/2006 12:25:51 PM EDT

Originally Posted By NoVaGator:
How would a Bradley (or similar vehicle) get within cannon range of a M1 without getting mauled?



cause M1s and Bradleys should be on the same side
Link Posted: 3/10/2006 12:26:28 PM EDT

Originally Posted By vmax84:

Originally Posted By NoVaGator:
How would a Bradley (or similar vehicle) get within cannon range of a M1 without getting mauled?



Aren't there enough tango's to shoot at besides each other? When you're drinkin', settle it the ole' fashion way..........go outside and duke it out..........STAY OUT OF THE VEHICLES WHEN DRINKIN'!!!!

vmax84



It shoots the Abrams or else it gets the hose again?

Link Posted: 3/10/2006 12:32:33 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Alex_F:
My unit was killing Iraqi armor with TPT rounds out of the Brad main gun... they didn't realize it was loaded till AFTERWARDS...

So, I could see accidental mobility kills on Abrams with real AP ammo.




I saw an article which indicated at least one M1 took friendly fire in the rear, from an "Unknown" 25mm weapon, which resulted in a mobility kill. Several pictures showed nice clean little holes in the thin rear armor.

This happened early during the first week or so of the war, during an especially chaotic engagement, poor visibility was a factor the report stated.
Link Posted: 3/10/2006 12:32:41 PM EDT
Link Posted: 3/10/2006 12:37:13 PM EDT

Originally Posted By ClayP:
I cannot find any source for this in our archives. Sounds like total BS to me.




"sounds like", no my friend it IS!


You---><---Him
Link Posted: 3/10/2006 12:54:18 PM EDT

Originally Posted By vito113:

Originally Posted By NoVaGator:

Originally Posted By DSVET91:

Originally Posted By NoVaGator:
How would a Bradley (or similar vehicle) get within cannon range of a M1 without getting mauled?



Proper use of terrain and cover. Besides I wouldn't engage a M1 with the 242, thats what the TOW IIB is for. During Desert Storm, we used the 242 on BMP'S and other light armor, trucks etc., but when it came to tanks we always went with the TOW.


Here's the results of a TOW on a T-72.
img216.imageshack.us/img216/9568/t72a0sz.jpg</a>



Sure, WE can get within range of a T-72, but could any of our likely enemies sneak up on a M1 undetected considering all of the elint we have on the battlefield?

It's not like M1s are out there crusing around solo, right?




The Battle of 73 Easting…



Right out of the Guderian playbook, use your Panzer's like a Fist.
Link Posted: 3/10/2006 1:15:03 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Sylvan:
An M-1 has only one weak point and thats its ass.
You have to hit it point blank and you have to hit it from behind!



Same as my ex-wife !
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