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Posted: 3/10/2006 7:55:47 AM EDT
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If they call that an arsenal, then at 18 I had an armory. Libs. What would be sweet is, if in the corrections for the next newspaper it said:
"It was incorrectly noted that the young man had an arsenal, after visiting ar15.com, we learned that is not the case. The article should have read 'the young man had spitwads.'" |
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Posted: 3/10/2006 7:56:50 AM EDT
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cause it could happen to any one of us... plus, I like to keep on top of things 
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Posted: 3/10/2006 7:56:59 AM EDT
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Michigan registerws handguns but not longuns. the cos will need to contact whoever the last registered owner of the handguns were then try to trace ehtm fromthere to see if or when they were stolen. As for the long guns, it's been my experiance that the average gun owner has no idea what the serial numbers of his guns are. Cant enter them into the system as stolen without the serial numbers. I grew up in clinton county Michigan. Teenagers there steal guns like California kids steal beer. |
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Posted: 3/10/2006 7:59:23 AM EDT
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Bbears repeating. Law-abiders' hackles can be lowered. |
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Posted: 3/10/2006 8:01:20 AM EDT
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The story says Downriver. Downriver is the area below (downstream of) Detroit, Michigan, on the banks of the Detroit River. |
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Posted: 3/10/2006 8:01:24 AM EDT
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Sorry, but your wrong on that one. In fact several IPSC & 3-gun shooters got busted and lost their guns oversit, which was the catalyst for the law change a few years ago. Remember the "for target shooting only" CCW's they used to issue? Thats because the only lawfull way to transport your handgun to the range, even if unloaded was with 1. a hunting license, 2. a range membership card or 3. aCCW permit in your possession. It was a stupid poorly written law that nearly everyone ignored. But it was the law. |
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Posted: 3/10/2006 8:03:14 AM EDT
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Maybe they found a shoelace in the same room. |
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Posted: 3/10/2006 8:10:11 AM EDT
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tag
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Posted: 3/10/2006 8:14:46 AM EDT
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Every gun owner in the U.S. is at risk for having their firearms collection seized after a 911 call is placed by a current or ex wife/GF, disgruntled neighbor or even one of your own kids etc. Some areas also have anonymous "gun tip" lines to call that offer rewards as well. You should ALWAYS have the names and 24hr emergency phone numbers of one or more local criminal defense attorneys with you at all times. |
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Posted: 3/10/2006 8:18:09 AM EDT
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It's an "arsenal" because it contained an AR-15. Thank God it wasn't an AK-47. Those kinds of guns are even worse. 
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Posted: 3/10/2006 8:27:09 AM EDT
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Long guns are not registered, and you can be 18 and buy a handgun from a private party as long as you have a permit and register it. I don't see ANYTHING illegal about this, unless he got them prior to being 18. ETA: Or, of course, if they were stolen. |
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Posted: 3/10/2006 8:27:43 AM EDT
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Yup. Just having guns is "wrong" these days....  |
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Posted: 3/10/2006 8:37:22 AM EDT
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Imagine the headline if there had been one those "Tec-9 Machine pistols" the media is always so hard for. |
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Posted: 3/10/2006 9:03:01 AM EDT
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That's news to me. I suppose it is a good thing I was never pulled over on the way to or from the range. 
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Posted: 3/10/2006 9:10:33 AM EDT
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LOL my "arsenal" at that age and even youger was about 10 times that.
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Posted: 3/10/2006 9:19:14 AM EDT
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It must be fun to write such outrageous stories like that. Making accusations before the police do, jesus christ. I'd like to know how they think he's connected to a gun ring, and what gun ring that is, they've only had this info for a few hours according to the officer.
By the time my senior year ended(2005), I had a Bushmaster M4, Wasr10, 2 kit built AK's, a preban Polytech, and a Cetme, and 2 months later I bought a 9mm handgun(private party). I think there's about 2 facts in that whole article, what the fuck kind of journalism is that? Talk about scare tactics
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Posted: 3/10/2006 9:27:54 AM EDT
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It's even like that here in California. |
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Posted: 3/10/2006 9:30:48 AM EDT
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I don't even know where to begin.
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Posted: 3/10/2006 9:34:56 AM EDT
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If six guns is an Arsenal, Then i'm a friggin burgeoning military apparatus!!!!
Gee, do they think they overuse the term Arsenal a bit much? Arsenals-Build and repair different weapons systems. Where they store them is called an Armory, You friggin anti gun morons!! |
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Posted: 3/10/2006 9:37:22 AM EDT
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I'm 18, and I've got four so far, three of which are EVIL. If I had money there would be nothing stopping me.
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Posted: 3/10/2006 9:37:27 AM EDT
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If six guns is an Arsenal, Then i'm a friggin burgeoning military apparatus!!!!
Gee, do they think they overuse the term Arsenal a bit much? Arsenals-Build and repair different weapons systems. Where they store them is called an Armory, You friggin anti gun morons!! |
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Posted: 3/10/2006 9:57:20 AM EDT
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"The weapons are illegal..."
The weapons aren't illegal, the ownership might be though. Unless they were illegal imports or illegally modified without the proper NFA forms I don't see where they get that. "...Arsenal..." Holy crap!! I guess I have an arsenal too. Looks more like a modest collection at best.
By that definition one gun can be an arsenal. Goot love how they know just the right demonizing words to use. In the video the barrel of the shotgun kind of looks like it was cut down. If true, then yes, that one is very likely to be illegal. I doubt that kid went through the proper paperwork to get it SBR'ed and I doubt even more they would have approved it. I don't know the laws there, but if the AR is an HBAR he could have bought it himself. Hell, the amount of information they give you could come to any conclusion you want. For all we know they were left to him by a dead relative. The fact that he had them padlocked in his room? Well, padlocking a bedroom is kinda weird. I had a deadbolt onmy bedroom door, which was easily busted down by a 13y/o girl. The fact that he had them locked up? He's doing more than I do to secure his guns.  How about a nice e/snail-mail/phone call campaign to the write/reporter of this article demanding a follow up with a lot more information and a lot less "evil guns" BS.
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Posted: 3/10/2006 10:01:56 AM EDT
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Actually he is absolutely correct, that IS the way it used to be. Jeff former MI LEO. |
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Posted: 3/10/2006 10:15:00 AM EDT
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Just taught me not to bother asking an ofmy neighbors if they like guns or want to go shooting. Not point in giving them any more info about me than necessary.
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Posted: 3/10/2006 10:25:04 AM EDT
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It would be a cold day in hell before my 18 year old son would have a padlock on |
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Posted: 3/10/2006 10:25:54 AM EDT
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Already addressed. Scroll up. 
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Posted: 3/10/2006 10:27:57 AM EDT
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If a kid is putting some extra locking devices on a bedroom door odds are he's tyring to hide something. I put a deadbolt on my door for all kinds of reason... mostly so I wouldn't get caught masturbating though.
Also... I sent an e-mail to that news station asking for the reporter to follow up. I don't expect a reply though. |
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Posted: 3/10/2006 10:29:06 AM EDT
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Posted: 3/10/2006 10:29:24 AM EDT
[#29]
 Sgt. Shaw need never move to the Deep South... my 2-year-old already has more guns than that. 
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Posted: 3/10/2006 3:46:59 PM EDT
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Fed law says 21 years of age for them. |
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Posted: 3/10/2006 4:11:06 PM EDT
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Have CCW, Buy handgun, take with you the very second you pay. No form to get first. Yes "registered" sucks, been that way because of damn Detroit libs for many years. However, we are now a FULL AUTO state, can CCW, can own a buy NEW [GASP!!!!] ARs AKs FALs yada yada with no mag restrictions. We are MUCH better off then you are in Cali. No reg for "black" rifles ETC. MSP has gone downhill in the past 15 years, I do not hold them in the high regard that I used to. To much "Special" hiring, and lowered standards for SOME officers. Plus, one of the A-----es shot one of my dogs. Musta been a black cop/scared of dogs thing. Nuthin like cappin a hit by car dog after one of our sheriff deputys picked it up, carried it off the road, while it was LICKING him and someone was getting me. He drove up, capped the dog and left. Lied thru his teeth about firing a round. No use for them EVER, anymore. 18 is legal to own a pistol IF it was a family member [father/mother] who bought it for him and gave it as a present. OK to own and buy a rifle/shottie at 18. Unless they were stolen this whole "raid" was BS unless the person somehow made threats against someone. |
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Posted: 3/10/2006 7:51:31 PM EDT
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Ummm, I just re-re-read it after seeing your comment there, and the only thing the cops have said is that the guns "might" be stolen. If he was buying guns from burglars then that would be one thing, but as far as that article says, the cops don't even know that. If he violated Michigan's registration laws, is that baaaaad? As far as the hard content of that "news" story goes, it looks like hysterical overreaction by a bunch of asswipes. But I'll wait to hear whether the implied "trafficking in stolen guns" stuff (which was repeated a little more solidly, but not much more so, in the Detroit News article) turns out to be true or not. |
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Posted: 3/10/2006 7:57:19 PM EDT
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I thought they wanted us to lock up our weapons???? WTF is this logic? Except for the handguns, my guess is the kid could have bought the 2 shotties and the AR. Maybe he made some wrong statements after getting expelled? What was he expelled for? maybe some pussified fellow student started a rumor, because he knew the kid had a few guns?.....we need more info..... 
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Posted: 3/10/2006 8:07:03 PM EDT
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1) MAY BE stolen.....innocent until proven guilty, remember that? 2) very dangerous......that describes any weapon in the hands of ANY irresponsible person 3) is of great concern and very suspicious.........why is locking your door suspicious? |
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Posted: 3/10/2006 8:14:57 PM EDT
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If they are not stolen, then he is legal, as long as the parents gave him the handguns.
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Posted: 3/10/2006 8:49:49 PM EDT
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kc8ard posted:
I'd have a big problem with probable cause. I would definitely like to learn what the officers used as probable cause. "OMG he has a gun, search his house, officer" If an officer barged into my house to check if a gun was stolen or not, I would have a big problem. Now, if there was a witness that saw me steal a gun...that's different story Supreme court: Plain view doctrine: If I enter and see an item I believe is contraband,i.e. stolen, I can check the number and confiscate/arrest. Matter of experience, there is more to the story. Working in NYC, most cops here wouldn't arrest, without more to go on. |
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Posted: 3/10/2006 9:17:25 PM EDT
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Do you still have to take the gun to the cop shop for the "safety inspection?" |
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Posted: 3/11/2006 6:27:19 AM EDT
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I think many of you are reading way too much into this without knowing the specifics of what occurred. There is no mention of a warrant and the subject was questioned and released. It appears the police received an anonymous tip about stolen weapons at a residence. They went to the location and questioned the subject. The subject or his parent(s) must have consented to a search of the premises and the weapons were taken upon consent of the subject and/or his parent(s). I'm sure the police used the threat of arrest if the subject didn't cooperate but if they had enough evidence to make an arrest they would have done so at the scene. Where it goes from here depends on whether any of the guns were stolen, illegally acquired or illegally possessed. |
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Posted: 3/11/2006 7:14:33 AM EDT
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IMO, the article was written by a liberal retard for one reason, to instill fear into other retards.
AB |
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Posted: 3/11/2006 7:16:38 AM EDT
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Unfortunately, yes. But we can still "pay and play". No waiting period. No "safety inspection" for rifles and shotties. It's better then it used to be. The SHALL issue CCW was a good start. the FA now legal is the next step, then SBR and no "inspection" would be nice. Without Detroit and Ann Arbor it would be much easier. |
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