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Posted: 3/10/2006 4:47:33 AM EDT
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What kind of parts are you using, and who is doing the work? My oldest 1911, a SA, has many thousands of rounds through it, and while the trigger is not as crisp as it once was, it is still better than perfectly serviceable, and I've only tweaked the extractor once. Good parts and a good smith are the key.
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Posted: 3/10/2006 4:50:18 AM EDT
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Are you dropping the slide on an empty chamber ? That is the best way to screw up a good trigger job. I'd be curious as to what parts and smith you used. I've got three gov't models that each have well over 16k rounds through them and they are as good as the day they came home from the smith.
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Posted: 3/10/2006 4:59:10 AM EDT
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Hmmmmm..............
I've put over 10K rounds thru my 1911 THIS YEAR ALONE and I have very few problems with it. Seriously, if you're not putting much lead down range and you are having problems with it, I'd either find a new gunsmith or, better yet, learn to do all the fun stuff yourself. |
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Posted: 3/10/2006 5:01:02 AM EDT
[#4]
My Glock has never needed a tune up....
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Posted: 3/10/2006 5:03:34 AM EDT
[#5]
I suppose if you put crap parts in it you'll have that result. Buy Wilson bulletproof or Ed Brown Hardcore and you'll never need to mess with it.
If you have to retune it every few years you're likely shooting a whole lot....like 30K+ per year. |
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Posted: 3/10/2006 5:10:06 AM EDT
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Don't get me wrong: I've got a USP45 Tactical that I really like and enjoy shooting. But I've also got a Kimber with ~22K rounds through it that I've never had to have "tuned" in any way. It just keeps shooting, digesting every kind of ammunition I run through it without a hiccup. I also recently bought a Springfield Armory MC Operator, and that shoots and shoots and shoots some more.
What kind of 1911 did you start with? What did you have done to it after that? Who did the work? What brand of parts did you have put on it? |
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Posted: 3/10/2006 5:12:34 AM EDT
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My Kimbers don't need much in the way of tuning. The HK has the most pronounced muzzle flip of any 45 I,ve tried, no thanks.
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Posted: 3/10/2006 5:17:40 AM EDT
[#8]
Wow. I need to come hang out with you. |
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Posted: 3/10/2006 5:25:47 AM EDT
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i have 4 1911's that have had the piss shot out of them over the last 5 years or so and none have needed work.
something is WRONG |
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Posted: 3/10/2006 5:26:08 AM EDT
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One of the best ways to f**k up the extractor on a 1911 is to drop the slide with a round in the chamber. The 1911 extractor is NOT intended to "snap over" the rim of a cartridge that's already in the chamber.
If this is something that you've been doing. STOP! |
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Posted: 3/10/2006 5:26:55 AM EDT
[#11]
My 1911 has never needed tuning.
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Posted: 3/10/2006 5:28:13 AM EDT
[#12]
+1 
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Posted: 3/10/2006 5:29:37 AM EDT
[#13]
Uh...
First, you CAN do these things yourself. Damn, even Bill Wilson had to do it a first time... But second, and more important, I've never had these problems with my Glock's either!
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Posted: 3/10/2006 5:31:20 AM EDT
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Hmm... good point. Most folks don't realize this... especially when they see their dealer drop the slide on an empty chamber 
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Posted: 3/10/2006 7:05:59 AM EDT
[#15]
No point in polishing a turd. 
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Posted: 3/10/2006 7:11:38 AM EDT
[#16]
Uh-huh.  Was this before the latest in a long list of "improvements" (fix/recall). |
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Posted: 3/10/2006 7:22:41 AM EDT
[#17]
And not one of the over two dozen 1911s I've owned has ever needed a tune-up either. |
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Posted: 3/10/2006 7:30:43 AM EDT
[#18]
Yeah you just replace them after a KB  Sounds like HK940 is dropping the slide on an empty chamber, this will screw a 1911's trigger job. |
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Posted: 3/10/2006 7:33:45 AM EDT
[#19]
Tag for info. The Deflocculator has to be doing something wrong.
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Posted: 3/10/2006 7:36:43 AM EDT
[#20]
Or doesnt actually have a 1911 and just likes to stir up shit.
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Posted: 3/10/2006 7:37:30 AM EDT
[#21]
You need a better tuner.
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Posted: 3/10/2006 7:39:07 AM EDT
[#22]
yep, i guess i have been breaking my toys.
now i know 
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Posted: 3/10/2006 7:43:24 AM EDT
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OK what were you doing...? Edit: If you're just looking for a reason to buy an HK, just do it, don't bag on your 1911! New toy purchases never need justification!
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Posted: 3/10/2006 7:55:26 AM EDT
[#24]
 I hate it when my 1911 needs tuning. It seems like I need to send it out every coupld months. |
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Posted: 3/10/2006 9:28:38 AM EDT
[#25]
Why did you quote me? I don't even own a Glock. |
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Posted: 3/10/2006 9:31:43 AM EDT
[#26]
? Drop the slide with a round already in the chamber? Why would a person do that? |
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Posted: 3/10/2006 9:32:41 AM EDT
[#27]
Because stupidity knows no bounds... |
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Posted: 3/10/2006 9:41:37 AM EDT
[#28]
Are you serious? What about making sure the weapon is clear. I drop slides on empty weapons constantly. Is this just true for modern 1911s? I've never had a problem with WWI or WWII vintage 1911s. |
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Posted: 3/10/2006 9:43:49 AM EDT
[#29]
Dropping the slide on an empty 1911 is bad for. It can ruin the sear engagement. Your WWI and WWII vintage 1911s most likely already had messed up sears when you got them. You should always LOWER the slide on an empty 1911. |
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Posted: 3/10/2006 9:45:20 AM EDT
[#30]
So again, in the course of making sure weapons are clear, isn't this a terrible "weak link"? |
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Posted: 3/10/2006 9:46:51 AM EDT
[#31]
Lower the slide. Don't let it slam. Having the world's best feeling handgun trigger comes at a very small price in how you handle the weapon when empty. |
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Posted: 3/10/2006 9:55:08 AM EDT
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So I gotta wonder...if the slide slamming on an empty chamber can screw it up...how does the slide slamming on a loaded chamber NOT screw it up? |
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Posted: 3/10/2006 9:55:14 AM EDT
[#33]
Wow, never knew the 11 was such a sensitive bitch.
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Posted: 3/10/2006 9:56:32 AM EDT
[#34]
Tell me bout it...only handgun I've ever heard of where dropping the slide empty can fuxor it. |
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Posted: 3/10/2006 10:00:25 AM EDT
[#35]
No, it just makes the trigger feel worse. And a bad 1911 trigger is STILL better than that of virtually every other handgun. ETA: Your WWI 1911s are at least 87 years old, and have probably been abused like this for decades. Apparently, they are not all fuxored up, at least not enough that you ever noticed it...
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Posted: 3/10/2006 10:03:25 AM EDT
[#36]
see above |
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Posted: 3/10/2006 10:06:55 AM EDT
[#37]
www.sightm1911.com/lib/tech/drop_slide_empty.htm |
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Posted: 3/10/2006 10:07:23 AM EDT
[#38]
Actually one is a first year so it's 95 years old. The trigger feels the same as any other 1911 I've ever shot. That is why I asked if this is only a issue with modern 1911s because mine seem to be exempt and I've dropped slides on all of them hundreds of times. The only thing wrong with them is they don't group very tight anymore and are low and to the right. But that is from massive use, they still got a little rifling in those barrels. |
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Posted: 3/10/2006 11:36:22 AM EDT
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The usual reason, Spade, is that it can happen if the pistol FTFs. The pistol partially chambers a round and jams. The user then pulls the slide back to clear and the round chambers simply by gravity. The user then drops the slide and either fires, or uses the extractor to pull the damaged round back out of the chamber. This is doubly bad because it's twice as hard to diagnose a faulty pistol that has multiple problems. One starts out with a bad magazine which is causing FTFs. And then ends up with a pistol which is not working right because of both a faulty mag AND a damaged extractor. There are other paths to this same outcome, but the above example gives you the general idea. |
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Posted: 3/10/2006 12:34:23 PM EDT
[#40]
Easy. The internal extractor on a 1911 is a leaf spring. It is made of steel. When you drop the slide BTW, this is not a problem on external extractor weapons. |
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Posted: 3/10/2006 12:38:44 PM EDT
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hk940- Talk to us about this 1911 of yours. Manufacture? What causes this malady that requires "tuning" every couple of years?
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Posted: 3/10/2006 12:41:20 PM EDT
[#42]
  That's a funny one! But... WRONG! Dropping the slide on an EMPTY chambe produces significantly LESS shock to pistol that actually firing it, and, mechanically, does nothing to the action. If you have a trigger that gets sloppy from dropping the slide, either your gunsmith sucks or your using shit parts.ETA: Removed pesky typo ETA some more: It's no surprise that you have 3 govt models with 16k + rounds through it and it's still rocks and socks as good today as it did when ya brought 'em home. If anything, a little usage makes 'em all the sweeter! |
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Posted: 3/10/2006 12:42:51 PM EDT
[#43]
I have to tune my 911 all the time... change the oil.. tune the carbs... set the timing...
Oh, you said 1911! You shouldn't have to dick with it THAT much. You must be doing something unhealthy to it. |
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Posted: 3/10/2006 12:46:17 PM EDT
[#44]
Hah, I one up you guys.
Both my Kimber AND my Glock are at their respsective companies getting fixed. The kimber is a turd due to the whole external extractor thing(frame is out of spec as well) and the glock, I don't know what's wrong with it. The trigger is really heavy and extraction isn't any better then the kimber was. Go figure. |
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Posted: 3/10/2006 12:46:19 PM EDT
[#45]
Well, it's true that dropping the slide has zip, zero, nadda to do with your trigger pull.
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Posted: 3/10/2006 12:49:41 PM EDT
[#46]
However, dropping the slide on one's TRIGGER finger can sure mess up one's trigger pull! 
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Posted: 3/10/2006 12:50:45 PM EDT
[#47]
FUGGIN A!!! 
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Posted: 3/10/2006 10:15:20 PM EDT
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not sure but I can say why… it’s a Kimber custom that has been modified but has factory trigger hammer sear, the trigger has been set so its on a razor edge. Almost no over travel. Maybe 1/10” but I have not measured it. 2.5-3# break and there is a set amount of take up but no weight to the “stage”. It breaks and bang. The problem is Keeping it there seems to require tuning every couple years or it gets sloppy and not “super ninja” tight. Sure its not a combat gun. More of a fun range gun and its so sweet when it is on top of it’s game I hate to not keep it there. Other issues were The extractor needed to be tuned once and at that time all springs were replaced with Wilson combat??? Not sure. Work done because it was throwing rounds back into my face. Safety was replaced I wanted an ambi so no fault of the gun and they added a new link and new match bushing. (again to tighten it up) |
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Posted: 3/11/2006 8:08:11 AM EDT
[#49]
From my understanding(according to the 1911 sites) dropping the slide on a empty chamber will fuxxor up the sear engagment area and slowly make your trigger job not what it once was.
The reason why it's no big deal when firing when entering a new round or firing is that the round itself centering in the chamber and taking up the headspace somehow buffers it enough to make it ok. |
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Posted: 3/11/2006 8:16:39 AM EDT
[#50]
Just felt like starting a shitstorm , Huh? 
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