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Posted: 3/7/2006 1:10:51 PM EDT
What's the chance of a person running for president that is not
politically correct , speaking about all the issues that are cut and dried and eveyone knows it
but are just afraid too say out loud.
Link Posted: 3/7/2006 1:12:30 PM EDT



thats my serious reply by the way.
Link Posted: 3/7/2006 1:12:47 PM EDT
Link Posted: 3/7/2006 1:13:18 PM EDT
We need a clone of this guy

Link Posted: 3/7/2006 1:14:41 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/7/2006 1:14:55 PM EDT by rjroberts]

Originally Posted By adair_usmc:
We need a clone of this guy

rooseveltinstitution.org/images/bio_teddy.jpg



You beat me to it! He did a few things I thought wrong but everything he did was for America, no, make that AMERICA!
Link Posted: 3/7/2006 1:15:04 PM EDT
BY our news medias definition of this === Hitlery
Link Posted: 3/7/2006 1:18:16 PM EDT
Considering what this country was like prior to his inauguration, I think this guy did very well

Link Posted: 3/7/2006 1:18:29 PM EDT

Originally Posted By DoubleFeed:
I doubt we'll see a truly honest politician, ever.



There lies the problem, we need a president that is not a politican,
Link Posted: 3/7/2006 1:27:09 PM EDT
Its a matter of opinion.


What you consider good......may not be what others consider good.

Link Posted: 3/7/2006 1:28:06 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/7/2006 1:28:25 PM EDT by NorthernBornRebel]
The Nuge!!!! With Jesse Ventura as VP
Link Posted: 3/7/2006 1:28:32 PM EDT
Link Posted: 3/7/2006 1:29:47 PM EDT
After WWIII maybe.
Link Posted: 3/7/2006 1:32:09 PM EDT
Remember Mondale's famous gaff: "President Reagan will raise your taxes and so will I. He won't tell you. I just did." Reagan won in a landslide and beat him like a drum.

Unfortunately, truth doesn't sell. Harry Truman was probably the last guy to tell it like it is. He was the one with the "buck stops here" sign on his desk. If you don't think he was a serious guy, ask the Japanese after Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
Link Posted: 3/7/2006 1:34:38 PM EDT

Originally Posted By quijanos:
Its a matter of opinion.


What you consider good......may not be what others consider good.




I have to disagree with that. My post was what is good for our country.Not groups in our country
The issues are clear, it's just not politically correct for a politician
too talk about what is staring them right in the face
Link Posted: 3/7/2006 1:37:17 PM EDT
nope.
Link Posted: 3/7/2006 1:38:06 PM EDT

Originally Posted By DoubleFeed:

Originally Posted By TheTracker:

Originally Posted By DoubleFeed:
I doubt we'll see a truly honest politician, ever.



There lies the problem, we need a president that is not a politican,

How do you pull that off?



What we need is a statesman, not a politician. They are different. A politician seeks political power and will "play politics" to maintain it. A statesman sticks to his/her guns and attempts to do what they feel is best for the country, regardless of what it might do to their ambitions.

My goal is to be a statesman. Who knows, maybe one of us will be President someday (like me, maybe ).
Link Posted: 3/7/2006 1:47:03 PM EDT

Originally Posted By TheTracker:

Originally Posted By quijanos:
Its a matter of opinion.


What you consider good......may not be what others consider good.




I have to disagree with that. My post was what is good for our country.Not groups in our country
The issues are clear, it's just not politically correct for a politician
too talk about what is staring them right in the face


I'd have to agree with quijanos. The groups in the country ARE the country unfortunately. Having several liberal friends, I can certainly say that their idea of what is good for the country scares the shit out of me. For that matter, the ideas of some people here as to what is "good for the country" scares the shit out of me.
I don't think the issues are clear at all. Many of us have different ends that we view as good for the country. One man's "success on the international scene" is another man's "evil hegemony" or "imperialism".
Link Posted: 3/7/2006 1:48:45 PM EDT

Originally Posted By adair_usmc:
We need a clone of this guy




yep. but he was a progressive, ran as a republican later ran as a bull-moose independent because his politics were to the left of the republiicans. lots of arfcomers would put him in the mccain club if he was around today and had not run for pres of vice pres yet.

my belief is we get what we deserved. thats all of us. put every candidate under a microscope and expect and demand perfection in all things. scares lots otherwise good candidates away. also, is very very important that a candidate look good on tv. if the candidate looks goofy, there is no way he/she will be elected unless they have a tremendous presence. lincoln, who was probably one of the top two or three presidents would never had made it in today's world.
Link Posted: 3/7/2006 1:51:22 PM EDT

Originally Posted By TheTracker:

Originally Posted By DoubleFeed:
I doubt we'll see a truly honest politician, ever.



There lies the problem, we need a president that is not a politican,



All we really need are term limits.

10 years max TOTAL , for any politician to hold a job in COngress or the White House.

Then it doesn't matter how corrupt they get. And ten years isn't enuf time to get completely corrupt

Link Posted: 3/7/2006 1:55:10 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Poodleshooter:

Originally Posted By TheTracker:

Originally Posted By quijanos:
Its a matter of opinion.


What you consider good......may not be what others consider good.




I have to disagree with that. My post was what is good for our country.Not groups in our country
The issues are clear, it's just not politically correct for a politician
too talk about what is staring them right in the face


I'd have to agree with quijanos. The groups in the country ARE the country unfortunately. Having several liberal friends, I can certainly say that their idea of what is good for the country scares the shit out of me. For that matter, the ideas of some people here as to what is "good for the country" scares the shit out of me.
I don't think the issues are clear at all. Many of us have different ends that we view as good for the country. One man's "success on the international scene" is another man's "evil hegemony" or "imperialism".




Issue one , secure the border with a wall and military , politically incorrect but good for the country.
Issue two , racial profiling works, politically incorrect but good for the country
what else can anyone add too this list
Link Posted: 3/7/2006 1:57:58 PM EDT
President Bush is as close as we are going to get anytime in the near future
Link Posted: 3/7/2006 2:04:09 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Poodleshooter:

Originally Posted By TheTracker:

Originally Posted By quijanos:
Its a matter of opinion.


What you consider good......may not be what others consider good.




I have to disagree with that. My post was what is good for our country.Not groups in our country
The issues are clear, it's just not politically correct for a politician
too talk about what is staring them right in the face


I'd have to agree with quijanos. The groups in the country ARE the country unfortunately. Having several liberal friends, I can certainly say that their idea of what is good for the country scares the shit out of me. For that matter, the ideas of some people here as to what is "good for the country" scares the shit out of me.
I don't think the issues are clear at all. Many of us have different ends that we view as good for the country. One man's "success on the international scene" is another man's "evil hegemony" or "imperialism".





Yep what he said.
Link Posted: 3/7/2006 2:06:33 PM EDT
Honestly, I want to see what happens if we put a woman into the presidents seat (Not Clinton). I think they might see things a bit different and hopefully don't get blinded by politics and power.

It could happen but not likely anytime soon. We as a nation are rotting from the inside out
Link Posted: 3/7/2006 2:30:59 PM EDT

Originally Posted By NorthernBornRebel:
The Nuge!!!! With Jesse Ventura as VP



You Americains are so naive! [/best wild and crazy guy voice]

Nugent is sometimes a mildly amusing loudmouth who has no idea what real politics are about. He couldn't govern anything let alone the US. Hopefully your comment was meant as a throwaway because it can't be taken seriously.

Now, as to Jesse, He was probably the WORST governor that Minnesota has ever had. I will admit that I haven't researched it extensively, however. (I've only read one book about the history of MN from pre-statehood to date, in the last couple of years. There was no comment about any governors that were near as bad in that book however.) He was a thinly disguised ultraliberal Democrat. He was the guy who promised us CCW & as soon as he was elected governor he got his from his local CLEO & promptly forgot about the rest of Minnesota. His governorship was all about Jesse all the time. It was a way for him to enrich himself, literally, via football broadcasting, appearing on soap operas, etc. He was a great sideshow for the rest of the US but a huge disaster for Minnesota taxpayers.
Link Posted: 3/7/2006 2:37:04 PM EDT

Originally Posted By garandman:

Originally Posted By TheTracker:

Originally Posted By DoubleFeed:
I doubt we'll see a truly honest politician, ever.



There lies the problem, we need a president that is not a politican,



All we really need are term limits.

10 years max TOTAL , for any politician to hold a job in COngress or the White House.

Then it doesn't matter how corrupt they get. And ten years isn't enuf time to get completely corrupt




+1

It would clear up much of the problem... the Founders did not intern that Elected officials be professional politicians.

We slso should limit the time Congress could sit each year to 4 months.
Link Posted: 3/7/2006 2:40:24 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/7/2006 2:40:44 PM EDT by TheTracker]

Originally Posted By DoubleFeed:

Originally Posted By TheTracker:

Originally Posted By DoubleFeed:
I doubt we'll see a truly honest politician, ever.



There lies the problem, we need a president that is not a politican,

How do you pull that off?




I wish I knew the right answer, but I'm convinced that man is out there.
Link Posted: 3/7/2006 2:54:13 PM EDT
One of the above posts sums it up perfectly. The media will never let a right thinking, true American be taken seriously. Those days are long gone.
Link Posted: 3/7/2006 3:54:29 PM EDT

Originally Posted By TheTracker:

Originally Posted By Poodleshooter:

Originally Posted By TheTracker:

Originally Posted By quijanos:
Its a matter of opinion.


What you consider good......may not be what others consider good.




I have to disagree with that. My post was what is good for our country.Not groups in our country
The issues are clear, it's just not politically correct for a politician
too talk about what is staring them right in the face


I'd have to agree with quijanos. The groups in the country ARE the country unfortunately. Having several liberal friends, I can certainly say that their idea of what is good for the country scares the shit out of me. For that matter, the ideas of some people here as to what is "good for the country" scares the shit out of me.
I don't think the issues are clear at all. Many of us have different ends that we view as good for the country. One man's "success on the international scene" is another man's "evil hegemony" or "imperialism".




Issue one , secure the border with a wall and military , politically incorrect but good for the country.
Issue two , racial profiling works, politically incorrect but good for the country
what else can anyone add too this list





You obviously have no idea what it would take politically, much less physically/financially and then ultimately logistically to build such a wall.

While I agree with what you are saying here it aint happening. Same with the racial profiling.
I'm all for it. And believe it would work. But it is much more than politically incorrect.
Link Posted: 3/7/2006 4:07:27 PM EDT
No, not as long as you have people lined up with their hand out expecting some of what other people have worked for.

It really is that simple.
Link Posted: 3/7/2006 4:17:19 PM EDT
And now there are more of them than us....so.....ballgame!
Link Posted: 3/7/2006 4:34:09 PM EDT

Originally Posted By SkyCatII:

Originally Posted By DoubleFeed:

Originally Posted By TheTracker:

Originally Posted By DoubleFeed:
I doubt we'll see a truly honest politician, ever.



There lies the problem, we need a president that is not a politican,

How do you pull that off?



What we need is a statesman, not a politician. They are different. A politician seeks political power and will "play politics" to maintain it. A statesman sticks to his/her guns and attempts to do what they feel is best for the country, regardless of what it might do to their ambitions.

My goal is to be a statesman. Who knows, maybe one of us will be President someday (like me, maybe ).



The problem with "statesmen" is they tend to be internationalists. What we need is a patriot and nationalist. Reagan may not have been perfect, but the man bled red, white and blue - He believed in America and not in some international free market or socialist utopia. He may have been the last real Patriot President, and he is sorely missed.
Link Posted: 3/7/2006 4:55:56 PM EDT

Originally Posted By 10mmFan:
And now there are more of them than us....so.....ballgame!



Sure getting there.
When the boomers hit retirement, look out!

If we could ever separate the baby killers from their paid off Welfare loser constituency we'd have a chance. America would have a chance.
Link Posted: 3/7/2006 7:16:52 PM EDT

Originally Posted By rjroberts:

Originally Posted By adair_usmc:
We need a clone of this guy

rooseveltinstitution.org/images/bio_teddy.jpg



You beat me to it! He did a few things I thought wrong but everything he did was for America, no, make that AMERICA!



+1
Link Posted: 3/7/2006 8:20:00 PM EDT
As long as the globalists control both parties, you won't see a President that will truly put America first. Instead, you'll be left to choose between the lesser of two evils, just like we've been doing since Reagan.
Link Posted: 3/7/2006 9:08:51 PM EDT

Originally Posted By TheTracker:

Originally Posted By quijanos:
Its a matter of opinion.


What you consider good......may not be what others consider good.




I have to disagree with that. My post was what is good for our country.Not groups in our country
The issues are clear, it's just not politically correct for a politician
too talk about what is staring them right in the face




Well the issues are clear to you........but try some out on say.... your co workers, or just anybody on the"street". Most people just don't care till someone [those groups you where talking about] tell them to care.
Link Posted: 3/7/2006 9:15:16 PM EDT
Link Posted: 3/7/2006 11:33:57 PM EDT

Originally Posted By TheTracker:
What's the chance of a person running for president that is not
politically correct , speaking about all the issues that are cut and dried and eveyone knows it
but are just afraid too say out loud.


There are no "cut and dried" issues.
Link Posted: 3/7/2006 11:56:26 PM EDT
NO
Link Posted: 3/8/2006 12:05:58 AM EDT

Originally Posted By tc556guy:

Originally Posted By TheTracker:
What's the chance of a person running for president that is not
politically correct , speaking about all the issues that are cut and dried and eveyone knows it
but are just afraid too say out loud.


There are no "cut and dried" issues.



+1,000,000

There are only "cut and dried" issues to YOU.
Link Posted: 3/8/2006 12:18:18 AM EDT
It all depends on your perspective. No President can be all things to all people. We have a very diverse country, and it would be literally impossible.

Will we ever get a president that will do the right thing for the average arfcommer? No.

Link Posted: 3/8/2006 5:42:20 AM EDT

Originally Posted By DoubleFeed:

Originally Posted By TheTracker:

Originally Posted By DoubleFeed:
I doubt we'll see a truly honest politician, ever.



There lies the problem, we need a president that is not a politican,

How do you pull that off?



military coup?

Link Posted: 3/8/2006 5:45:41 AM EDT

Originally Posted By TheTracker:

Originally Posted By quijanos:
Its a matter of opinion.


What you consider good......may not be what others consider good.




I have to disagree with that. My post was what is good for our country.Not groups in our country
The issues are clear, it's just not politically correct for a politician
too talk about what is staring them right in the face



There is a lot of disagreement on this board (which is mostly conservative) on the proper path for our country. The idea that you know the one true way and its only pcness that is stopping politicians from doing something about it is ludicrous.



Link Posted: 3/8/2006 5:47:24 AM EDT

Originally Posted By garandman:

Originally Posted By TheTracker:

Originally Posted By DoubleFeed:
I doubt we'll see a truly honest politician, ever.



There lies the problem, we need a president that is not a politican,



All we really need are term limits.

10 years max TOTAL , for any politician to hold a job in COngress or the White House.

Then it doesn't matter how corrupt they get. And ten years isn't enuf time to get completely corrupt




ugh all that will do is send the bastards back to the state or local governments :( Instead of them clawing their way up and getting out of my life, they eventually come back like herpes :(

Link Posted: 3/8/2006 6:04:32 AM EDT

Originally Posted By swingset:

Originally Posted By tc556guy:

Originally Posted By TheTracker:
What's the chance of a person running for president that is not
politically correct , speaking about all the issues that are cut and dried and eveyone knows it
but are just afraid too say out loud.


There are no "cut and dried" issues.



+1,000,000

There are only "cut and dried" issues to YOU.



I do beleive in "black and white" issues, but there aren't as many as people think.

Immigration is a classic example.

If we do what many people want re: illegals, the reality is we'd throw the economy into a deep recession, and a year from now many products would cost 20-40% more than tehy do right now.

How many people are really willing to pay that price?

Link Posted: 3/8/2006 6:12:25 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/8/2006 6:25:15 AM EDT by jimtash9]
People here make the mistake in thinking right or left but never in the middle and the majority of the country is in the middle. Both parties have had their respective chances and imo, have royally screwed it up. One has a socialistic agenda while the other favors corporations. One wants to tax you to death while the other gets us in debt up to our eyeballs. One thinks morals will make the country better while the other thinks having no personal responsibility is the way to go. The two party system is a failure because they can't compromise with each other and it does nothing but hurt the country. We need other alternatives as to who will be our representatives and until that day comes, nothing will ever change. As proof, how many Americans actually get out and vote or even think their vote matters anymore?
Link Posted: 3/8/2006 6:16:07 AM EDT

Originally Posted By TheTracker:

Originally Posted By DoubleFeed:

Originally Posted By TheTracker:

Originally Posted By DoubleFeed:
I doubt we'll see a truly honest politician, ever.



There lies the problem, we need a president that is not a politican,

How do you pull that off?




I wish I knew the right answer, but I'm convinced that man is out there.



Yes, that man is out there, and he's not alone. The problem is he's not interested in the job. Our political process has become so poisonous that good men and women aren't willing to be a part of it anymore. I myself have thought of running for office, because I know I could do better than what I've had for reps. But when I think of living a life in politics, I wake up screaming in a pool of cold sweat.

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