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Posted: 3/6/2006 11:13:53 PM EDT
Link Posted: 3/6/2006 11:25:11 PM EDT
Are the Brits planning to buy any A400Ms?
Link Posted: 3/6/2006 11:37:08 PM EDT
Link Posted: 3/6/2006 11:53:43 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/6/2006 11:54:02 PM EDT by Tomislav]

Originally Posted By vito113:

Originally Posted By Tomislav:
Are the Brits planning to buy any A400Ms?



25 along with a few more C-17's

ANdy



Nice. The A400M has a larger max payload than I thought:

C-130J - 41,790 lb
A400M - 81,500 lb
C-17 - 170,900 lb

As an aside, won't it be a pisser if the US picks the A330 as our next refueling platform?
Link Posted: 3/6/2006 11:56:48 PM EDT
Damn thats an expensive plane... for a frieghter? damn thats up there in Fighter $$$

What does a C-130 cost?
Link Posted: 3/6/2006 11:59:23 PM EDT

Originally Posted By OregonShooter:
Damn thats an expensive plane... for a frieghter? damn thats up there in Fighter $$$

What does a C-130 cost?



better be about 25% of the c-17, if those hauling weights are correct.
Link Posted: 3/7/2006 12:27:11 AM EDT

Originally Posted By dsg2003gt:

Originally Posted By OregonShooter:
Damn thats an expensive plane... for a frieghter? damn thats up there in Fighter $$$

What does a C-130 cost?



better be about 25% of the c-17, if those hauling weights are correct.



Make it 10%, C-130 is turboprop.
Link Posted: 3/7/2006 12:31:22 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/7/2006 12:31:58 AM EDT by ArmdLbrl]
Is this a buy? Or is it really a lease like the RAF did?

Not that we care, the more out there the merrier.
Link Posted: 3/7/2006 12:31:24 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/7/2006 12:42:21 AM EDT by Tomislav]

Originally Posted By Tim84K10:

Originally Posted By dsg2003gt:

Originally Posted By OregonShooter:
Damn thats an expensive plane... for a frieghter? damn thats up there in Fighter $$$

What does a C-130 cost?



better be about 25% of the c-17, if those hauling weights are correct.



Make it 10%, C-130 is turboprop.



Googling puts the C-130J at about 7048 or so million, and the C-17 at about 250 million. Who knows, once you factor in support costs and spare parts and whatnot.

I'd like to see operating costs. How much does it cost a C-130J to move, say, 20,000lbs 2000 miles, versus the same for a C-17.

C-130J: $48.5 million (FY98 constant dollars)

C-17: $236.7 million (FY98 constant dollars)
Link Posted: 3/7/2006 12:31:38 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/7/2006 12:32:41 AM EDT by OregonShooter]
Ok according to FAS.org

C-130 Costs 22.9M (92')
Link Posted: 3/7/2006 12:51:46 AM EDT
Link Posted: 3/7/2006 12:56:15 AM EDT
We've desperatly needed a strategic airlifter for years. Those old B707s just don't cut it anymore, and we've be wearing out our herks much faster than originally thought, especially with the Timor deployment.
Its about time
Link Posted: 3/7/2006 1:31:29 AM EDT
Link Posted: 3/7/2006 1:47:58 AM EDT

Originally Posted By vito113:

Originally Posted By Lert:
We've desperatly needed a strategic airlifter for years. Those old B707s just don't cut it anymore, and we've be wearing out our herks much faster than originally thought, especially with the Timor deployment.
Its about time



I wouldn't say those 707's were 'old' but the guys Grandads flew to war in Vietnam in them…



Some of them (all?) bought second hand of various airlines! Because of noise problems, they're banned from most Australian and international airports, and they cant carry heavy cargo. Sure, they're spring chickens by BUFF standards, but they make just about anything look young.

BTW, most of the Australian troops went to Vietnam by boat. They sailed on the converted Majestic class carrier HMAS Sydney, which became known as the "Vung Tau Ferry"
Link Posted: 3/7/2006 2:26:47 AM EDT
Link Posted: 3/7/2006 2:37:25 AM EDT

Originally Posted By vito113:

Originally Posted By ArmdLbrl:
Is this a buy? Or is it really a lease like the RAF did?

Not that we care, the more out there the merrier.



RAF bought out the lease and purchased it's C-17's outright along with another new build.

ANdy



Cool.

Another new build? A single new build or another batch of 4?
Link Posted: 3/7/2006 2:58:50 AM EDT
Link Posted: 3/7/2006 3:04:37 AM EDT
The 17 is an uberkool jet. The best all-around airlifter in the world. There is not another airplane that can compete directly with it.

The lads in the 99 Squadron have been flying the daylights out of theirs.

I was at Brize Norton when UK1 and UK2 were delivered. UK2 was picked up at Long Beach and flown to Charleston, where they crew rested. Then is was flown from Charleston to Brize. When it landed at Brize they refueled it, checked the oil, did a thruflight, then put on a new crew to fly a local. It didn't even have time to get cold.

The A400M is like a C-130 on steroids, but it's not fair to compare it to the C-17. They're in totally diffreent classes. Airbus hasn't built an A400M yet, have they?
Link Posted: 3/7/2006 3:09:06 AM EDT
As I recally, they had a mockup of the A400m at the Paris airshow a decade ago. It was still a jet at that point, and the mockup weighed so much that, had the engines been real, it wouldnt have gotten off the ground.
Link Posted: 3/7/2006 3:13:02 AM EDT
... Right on!

... First time I've heard this proposal was even in the works.

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