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Posted: 2/27/2006 11:11:11 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/27/2006 11:11:27 AM EDT by Sandman67]
I just aquired an HK91 in a trade. I was very happy to finally add a .308 "Battle rifle" to my collection. From everything I have been hearing this type of rifle is the "go to" weapon of choice if the SHTF. Well I have just one question for you all....

How the hell do you carry it around?!!
This gun definitely gives me a woody, I could just stare at it for hours
but unfortunately so far everything I've done with it (change stocks, add the claw mount for my scope) has been a wrestling match -and I'm not a small guy! I've already rented a crane for when i first clean it after some range time!
I can't imagine carrying this beast around for more than a block or two, let alone through the woods at a face pace.

I gotta be honest, in a SHTF situation, I'm still grabbing my AR.

Am I the only one who thinks this?
Link Posted: 2/27/2006 11:14:05 AM EDT
In a riot situation, I would be prone on the roof with the FAL. If I have to be on the move, I'll have the AR carbine.
Link Posted: 2/27/2006 11:15:56 AM EDT
I want a .308 for bugging in. Might need range and penetration, especially if whoever I'm shooting at is in a vehicle, has body armor, or is behind light cover. On the move, I want a lighter gun with more ammo.
Link Posted: 2/27/2006 11:20:02 AM EDT
That's why you stick with the 10/22. and a .38 when things get REALLY ugly
Link Posted: 2/27/2006 11:21:44 AM EDT
lift some weights? you little girlie-man.

Link Posted: 2/27/2006 11:22:36 AM EDT
They get heavy, but it is hard to beat a .308. After a while you get used to it.
Link Posted: 2/27/2006 11:22:54 AM EDT
Well shit then, you wouldn't happen to have an extra 10/22 lying around that you'd trade even steven for this here HK91 would you?
Link Posted: 2/27/2006 11:23:56 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Sandman67:
Well shit then, you wouldn't happen to have an extra 10/22 lying around that you'd trade even steven for this here HK91 would you?



if that's an official WTT, i'll RUN (not walk) to the store, buy a 10/22 and ship it your way!
Link Posted: 2/27/2006 11:24:04 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Sandman67:


How the hell do you carry it around?!!

I can't imagine carrying this beast around for more than a block or two, let alone through the woods at a face pace.




Start by hiking up your skirt.



Link Posted: 2/27/2006 11:24:24 AM EDT
a sling


Link Posted: 2/27/2006 11:24:31 AM EDT
Use a bipod.
Link Posted: 2/27/2006 11:25:54 AM EDT

lift some weights? you little girlie-man.


I know you're joking, but trust me I am NOT a little guy
Link Posted: 2/27/2006 11:27:00 AM EDT


It's not THAT heavy. Hell, I deer hunted with mine for a few days up and down the hills in W.Va.

Link Posted: 2/27/2006 11:27:21 AM EDT
You need to start working out.

Do this first thing in the AM:
1) stretch, do it allot. You will need it.
2) do 200 push ups. You can work up to this but this is your goal.
3) do 150 crunches. Same as above, work up to it.
4) do 160 dip. SAA
5) do 100 pull ups. SAA
6) run 3 miles with a full pack. I am being easy on you here as most would be running at leat ten miles.

Do all this for 6 months then go pick up that battle rifle. Feels light now don't it? Now load it all up with a full combat load and run that same 3 miles. Ain't light no more is it?
Increase the exercise period to twice daily.
Link Posted: 2/27/2006 11:27:34 AM EDT
SBR it.
Link Posted: 2/27/2006 11:28:08 AM EDT
It has a bipod and a sling...

I've never held a Garand nor an M14...are they as heavy as this?
Link Posted: 2/27/2006 11:29:49 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Napoleon_Tanerite:

Originally Posted By Sandman67:
Well shit then, you wouldn't happen to have an extra 10/22 lying around that you'd trade even steven for this here HK91 would you?



if that's an official WTT, i'll RUN (not walk) to the store, buy a 10/22 and ship it your way!



How far is it to the gunstore? Would you post the video of you running (not driving/riding) to the gunstore?
Link Posted: 2/27/2006 11:34:15 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Swindle1984:
I want a .308 for bugging in. Might need range and penetration, especially if whoever I'm shooting at is in a vehicle, has body armor, or is behind light cover. On the move, I want a lighter gun with more ammo.



The reason that the M855 came out was because of the lack of penetration of 308 at 300 meters. The steel core penetrator in the M855 will go through light armor at 300 yards, where as the 308 will not (so says FN, and the military went with it...)

Also readhere

That is why I have a bunch of M855 for the SHTF....
Link Posted: 2/27/2006 11:49:32 AM EDT

Originally Posted By arfreak74:
lift some weights? you little girlie-man.




Yah. Pump yourself up und ve vill gif you your mancard back.
Link Posted: 2/27/2006 11:56:44 AM EDT
I use a HK91 for deer hunting. With a ARMS scope mount and scope and 10 or 12 rounds in the mag it gets a little heavy.

I carry it on a sling with the muzzle point down. Or if I am walking around I carry the gun with the muzzle point down and gripping the mag.

If I was ever in a SHTF situation the first gun I would grab would be the HK91.
Link Posted: 2/27/2006 11:58:37 AM EDT
My SOCOM weighs in at 8.9 lb. I think it feels perfect.
Link Posted: 2/27/2006 12:00:08 PM EDT

You get used to it. The only time it really bothers me is in the summer.
Link Posted: 2/27/2006 12:00:52 PM EDT
How did men in ww2 make it carrying bar rifles ands garands. Tommy guns aren't too light either.
Link Posted: 2/27/2006 12:02:34 PM EDT
M1 Garand weighs in at about 10 pounds.
Link Posted: 2/27/2006 12:02:57 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Sandman67:
I just aquired an HK91 in a trade. I was very happy to finally add a .308 "Battle rifle" to my collection. From everything I have been hearing this type of rifle is the "go to" weapon of choice if the SHTF. Well I have just one question for you all....

How the hell do you carry it around?!!
This gun definitely gives me a woody, I could just stare at it for hours
but unfortunately so far everything I've done with it (change stocks, add the claw mount for my scope) has been a wrestling match -and I'm not a small guy! I've already rented a crane for when i first clean it after some range time!
I can't imagine carrying this beast around for more than a block or two, let alone through the woods at a face pace. I run around the woods with a 20"AR, so it wasn't that big of a change for my 21" FAL, the rifle isn't what is heavy, it's the damn ammo, I started at a gym 6months ago

I gotta be honest, in a SHTF situation, I'm still grabbing my AR.

Am I the only one who thinks this?

Link Posted: 2/27/2006 12:04:10 PM EDT



yep, my FAL is a little beefy. if i'm bugging in, that'll be on the bipod, mid-room, upper level, looking out the windows.

if i gotta go, my AR is coming with me.


Link Posted: 2/27/2006 12:06:50 PM EDT

Originally Posted By MrClean4Hire:
How did men in ww2 make it carrying bar rifles ands garands. Tommy guns aren't too light either.



Because the solders durning WWII were not the fat keyboard commandos/computer jocks that we have today (with there damn stress cards). They really worked back then and didnt bitch because thay had to hump a 80 lb+ ruck and a heavy rifle..

In short Better physical shape..
Link Posted: 2/27/2006 12:07:27 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Sandman67:
It has a bipod and a sling...

I've never held a Garand nor an M14...are they as heavy as this?



I have never held an HK91 but I can't imagine it being as heavy as a Garand.

I use CQB slings on my AR10s. Quantico Arms has them for HK91s as well as several other styles of slings:

Here is a picture on an MP5, but it's the same for the 91:



Go here to read the description:

www.quanticoarms.com/asp/itemDetail.asp?dispItemNum=65&type=M&CMN=Specter%20Gear&CMNum=31&CMSNum=129&CMSN=CQB%203%20Point%20Slings
Link Posted: 2/27/2006 12:09:58 PM EDT
How do you all carry these "battle rifles"?

With 2 hands, like a real man.
Link Posted: 2/27/2006 12:11:06 PM EDT
steroids?
Link Posted: 2/27/2006 12:11:16 PM EDT

Originally Posted By MrClean4Hire:
How did men in ww2 make it carrying bar rifles ands garands. Tommy guns aren't too light either.



They weren't softened up and beat down with drivel like American Idol or the Oprha Winfrey generation.

Link Posted: 2/27/2006 12:11:52 PM EDT
Rig it up with a tactical sling.

www.spectergear.com/slings.htm

Or make your own. Slung around your neck you can carry with limited exertion and in the ready position.
Link Posted: 2/27/2006 12:11:56 PM EDT

Originally Posted By bullyforyou:


yep, my FAL is a little beefy. if i'm bugging in, that'll be on the bipod, mid-room, upper level, looking out the windows.

if i gotta go, my AR is coming with me.





I will send you an addressed pre-paid shipping crate. If you bug out, send your FAL to me for safekeeping.
Link Posted: 2/27/2006 12:11:56 PM EDT
With all the crap I have hanging off my M4 "carbine", loaded it weighs about the same as my FAL


Link Posted: 2/27/2006 12:12:19 PM EDT
I thought this thread was a joke thread...apparently not.
Link Posted: 2/27/2006 12:14:50 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/27/2006 12:16:59 PM EDT by Hokie]
Weight and size are two reasons I dropped the 308 semi-auto platform a long time ago.

I'll never lug around a semi-auto 308 when there's an AR15 around....and in my world....there's ALWAYS an AR15 around! I'm not in a platoon or a squad. Since I'd have to do all the work myself, I want a 16" AR15, not a 308.

I think the 308 semi-auto rifle is useless unless your gonna dig in somewhere and have someone else carry your loaded 20-round mags around for you.
Link Posted: 2/27/2006 12:15:25 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Sandman67:
I just aquired an HK91 in a trade. I was very happy to finally add a .308 "Battle rifle" to my collection. From everything I have been hearing this type of rifle is the "go to" weapon of choice if the SHTF. Well I have just one question for you all....

How the hell do you carry it around?!!



With a sling, like this girl do:


Link Posted: 2/27/2006 12:19:34 PM EDT

Originally Posted By julenissen:


With a sling, like this girl do:

i2.tinypic.com/oqlu9h.png



Worthless, without the ENTIRE pic!
Link Posted: 2/27/2006 12:23:37 PM EDT

Originally Posted By julenissen:

Originally Posted By Sandman67:
I just aquired an HK91 in a trade. I was very happy to finally add a .308 "Battle rifle" to my collection. From everything I have been hearing this type of rifle is the "go to" weapon of choice if the SHTF. Well I have just one question for you all....

How the hell do you carry it around?!!



With a sling, like this girl do:

i2.tinypic.com/oqlu9h.png



Pwn3d
Link Posted: 2/27/2006 12:28:33 PM EDT
I also have to add my proven way to make your HK feel light weight.

Add HK A3 stock
Add HK Claw mount
Add Scope (your choice)
Add HK steel bipod
Add sling
Load 20 rounds into HK Steel mag, insert mag into rifle
Load another 20 rounds into a second HK mag
Add HK steel mag clamp and second 20 round .308 mag to the HK91.

Now you have a shoulder crushing HK rifle that will weigh 15 to 17 pounds. Learn to carry this heavy rig for 6 months.

After 6 months remove all of the HK add ons, or buy another HK91. Now your standard 9.8 pound HK 91 A2 will feel as light as a AR15 HBAR, because you will be used to carrying aroung a rifle that wieghs as much as a light squad automatic.
Link Posted: 2/27/2006 12:30:09 PM EDT

Originally Posted By callgood:

Originally Posted By julenissen:


With a sling, like this girl do:

i2.tinypic.com/oqlu9h.png



Worthless, without the ENTIRE pic!



Maybe the entire picture will reveal a 17 year-old longharied swedish boy?




When I was in the army I was issued either a Garand or a HK G3 at different times. I honestly didn't think they were that heavy. When hoofing it around the countryside, with full gear, it didn't seem that bad - and I'm not sure the difference to an AR would even have been particularly noticable. I suppose a 20" AR is a little lighter, but the real difference to appreciate in the weight of the ammo you have to schelp around.


Is an unloaded HK91 really that much heavier than an unloaded AR-15? How about with full mag - do 20 rounds of .308 really weigh signifacantly more than 30 rounds of .223?

Link Posted: 2/27/2006 12:32:11 PM EDT

Originally Posted By triburst1:
In a riot situation, I would be prone on the roof with the FAL. If I have to be on the move, I'll have the AR carbine.



Wasn't that just like in the movie HEAT???

Link Posted: 2/27/2006 12:33:54 PM EDT

Originally Posted By DK-Prof:
20 rounds of .308 really weigh signifacantly more than 30 rounds of .223?



yes
Link Posted: 2/27/2006 12:35:09 PM EDT
Wimp!

Link Posted: 2/27/2006 12:36:06 PM EDT
I'm not busting on you man..........

But, go to the gym. Work on your shoulders.

The generations that carried those big ass weapons were just harder
than ours.

I'd have to do the same thing. Trust me. That's a heavy mo-fo.

I did some training in riot control and, we had to hold the baton
up next to our ears for, like 5 minutes, then, strike.....5 minutes...strike....

It was to show us how weak our shoulders were....It worked.

Pump some iron...Make sure you go shoot that gun all the time....

Look...The Brits used that as a main weapon for a long time...........

Tell me you're better than the euros!

Link Posted: 2/27/2006 12:37:10 PM EDT
You should try humpin' a "Pig" around for a while... yuck.


Mark.

Link Posted: 2/27/2006 12:40:56 PM EDT

Originally Posted By garandman:

Originally Posted By MrClean4Hire:
How did men in ww2 make it carrying bar rifles ands garands. Tommy guns aren't too light either.



They weren't softened up and beat down with drivel like American Idol or the Oprha Winfrey generation.





Agreed. God help them if they have to bug out on foot and carry a 3 year old and a rifle.
Link Posted: 2/27/2006 12:43:15 PM EDT
im taking it you have never been in the military?
Link Posted: 2/27/2006 12:51:26 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Fat_McNasty:

Originally Posted By MrClean4Hire:
How did men in ww2 make it carrying bar rifles ands garands. Tommy guns aren't too light either.



Because the solders durning WWII were not the fat keyboard commandos/computer jocks that we have today (with there damn stress cards). They really worked back then and didnt bitch because thay had to hump a 80 lb+ ruck and a heavy rifle..

In short Better physical shape..



But ironically, those WWII guys were lots smaller than we are now. I am betting about four inches less on average. Plus they had just gone through the Depression so they didn't eat as well as us.

I use my scoped M1A hunting Elk at 10,000 feet, but I do use a assault sling instead of a normal one.

I am tempted to use my H&K91 next year.
Link Posted: 2/27/2006 12:52:51 PM EDT

Originally Posted By drjarhead:
Rig it up with a tactical sling.

www.spectergear.com/slings.htm

Or make your own. Slung around your neck you can carry with limited exertion and in the ready position.



See my post above.
Link Posted: 2/27/2006 12:53:53 PM EDT

Originally Posted By callgood:

Originally Posted By julenissen:


With a sling, like this girl do:

i2.tinypic.com/oqlu9h.png



Worthless, without the ENTIRE pic!



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