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Posted: 2/26/2006 9:05:56 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/26/2006 9:08:35 PM EDT by SteyrAUG]
One of my favorite Presidents as far as the big picture but he really has managed to stick it to me a few times.

First, obviously the whole domestic machine gun thing. But at least it came as part of the FOPA 86 so it was a bad "good" thing.

Then of course the whole Messe Commission / Moral Majority thing, but besides 7-11 no longer stocking Playboy it didn't really have an actual impact, 80s porn was pretty good and I never got into some of the extreme crap from the 70s anyway, not crazy about it in modern adult stuff either.

But apparantly in the early 80s Ron passed or signed a law that prohibited the depiction of a nude adult in a film with a minor (where not talking child porn here, I don't wanna see that crap either, we are talking about a teen seeing an adult naked).

I'm not exactly sure how "Birth" was made as it seems to violate the law where a young boy saw a naked Nicole Kidman and was in a bathtub with her.

Anyway a fond childhood memory was recently released on DVD. The 25th Anniversary Edition of "Private Lessons" (1981).

I remembered this film well from the early days of cable TV. Starring Sylvia Kristel and about a rich kid of about 15 who is seduced by his French maid. And boy did I want to be in that kids shoes as I was about the same age.

So in order to take a nostalgic trip down softcore memory lane I grabbed this one. And in two scenes where Sylvia takes her underwear off a GREY SPOT appears on the screen.

Pretty sad that a movie I could watch on Showtime back in 1981 uneditted is not available to me as a grown adult on DVD in it's original form.

While I was aware of pre code films (prior to 1934) that we censored I had no idea that a pre early 80s equivalent existed. Seems a few of the early 80s films are NOT available in their original form, mostly due to sexually explicit content.

And that seems strange to me because the titles in question are extremely tame when compared to what you can STILL see on cable TV today.

Link Posted: 2/26/2006 9:08:18 PM EDT
Did you buy it at WalMart?
Link Posted: 2/26/2006 9:09:27 PM EDT

Originally Posted By M15A2:
Did you buy it at WalMart?



Nope, ordered it. Really wouldn't have mattered where it was bought as every copy of the official US release is censored.
Link Posted: 2/26/2006 9:09:52 PM EDT
wally world usually cuts the scene, similar to how it's done for TV. I've never seen a block on a wally world movie, just a gap where i KNOW a good scene was supposed to be
Link Posted: 2/26/2006 9:19:05 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Napoleon_Tanerite:
wally world usually cuts the scene, similar to how it's done for TV. I've never seen a block on a wally world movie, just a gap where i KNOW a good scene was supposed to be



I didn't know that. This one obviously isn't a TV edit, there is still a good amount of nudity.
Link Posted: 2/27/2006 3:57:24 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Napoleon_Tanerite:
wally world usually cuts the scene, similar to how it's done for TV. I've never seen a block on a wally world movie, just a gap where i KNOW a good scene was supposed to be



Never heard of that either. I have bought plenty of movies at wally world that had T&A in them.
Link Posted: 2/27/2006 4:04:34 AM EDT
I know Wal-Mart used to do that with VHS tapes, but I don't know if they still do that with DVDs.

They have so much selling power, they basically could tell the studio, "We don't like this scene. Give us a version without it, or we won't sell your movie in our stores" and the studios would fold. That may have stopped with DVD, but I'm not sure.
Link Posted: 2/27/2006 4:11:57 AM EDT
I am with you Styer, I saw a special on Reagan that was being aired on one of the religious channels. Great man and loved how he talked about freedom, which is great in all but when it came to guns and porn he really was a downer.

Why people see the need to try to shut down the porn industry is beyond me.
Link Posted: 2/27/2006 4:20:01 AM EDT
BUT, BUT, BUT, BUT REAGAN STOOD FOR FREEDOM!!!

GR
Link Posted: 2/27/2006 5:04:23 AM EDT

Originally Posted By VTHOKIESHOOTER:
I am with you Styer, I saw a special on Reagan that was being aired on one of the religious channels. Great man and loved how he talked about freedom, which is great in all but when it came to guns and porn he really was a downer.

Why people see the need to try to shut down the porn industry is beyond me.



It isn't a matter of "shutting down" the porn industry.

It is more a matter of not having to explain to little Billy why those two women aren't wearing any clothes and kissing each other on that magazine when you stop in for a slurpee. Keep porn in the dark corners of society, not on open shelves where little eyes are exposed to it.
Link Posted: 2/27/2006 5:05:45 AM EDT

Originally Posted By greenranger:
BUT, BUT, BUT, BUT REAGAN STOOD FOR FREEDOM!!!

GR



He DID stand for freedom.

Reagan did more to reform government and to change the way government works than most realize, and he did a damn fine job of handling the Soviets.

He wasn't a perfect president, but I would sure as hell love to have another one like him.

Link Posted: 2/27/2006 6:47:14 AM EDT

Originally Posted By John_Wayne777:

Originally Posted By VTHOKIESHOOTER:
I am with you Styer, I saw a special on Reagan that was being aired on one of the religious channels. Great man and loved how he talked about freedom, which is great in all but when it came to guns and porn he really was a downer.

Why people see the need to try to shut down the porn industry is beyond me.



It isn't a matter of "shutting down" the porn industry.

It is more a matter of not having to explain to little Billy why those two women aren't wearing any clothes and kissing each other on that magazine when you stop in for a slurpee. Keep porn in the dark corners of society, not on open shelves where little eyes are exposed to it.



I'd rather my kid see a porn mag in 7-11 than see two men kissing on network prime time television. And even back in the "Pre Reagan" days the porn was behind the counter.
Link Posted: 2/27/2006 6:50:48 AM EDT

Originally Posted By SteyrAUG:
I'd rather my kid see a porn mag in 7-11 than see two men kissing on network prime time television.



I would rather not have my kids exposed to either.

I don't know what 7-11's you went to, but the convenience stores I went in sold the nudie mags on the top row of the same rack they had the Mad magazines and People on....
Link Posted: 2/27/2006 6:50:56 AM EDT

Originally Posted By SteyrAUG:

So in order to take a nostalgic trip down softcore memory lane I grabbed this one. And in two scenes where Sylvia takes her underwear off a GREY SPOT appears on the screen.

Pretty sad that a movie I could watch on Showtime back in 1981 uneditted is not available to me as a grown adult on DVD in it's original form.





I never understood why someone who can have "Live" instead chooses "Memorex."

Besides, you forgot the whole "war on drugs" thing.

Link Posted: 2/27/2006 6:51:31 AM EDT
That's weird.
Link Posted: 2/27/2006 7:10:36 AM EDT

Originally Posted By garandman:

Originally Posted By SteyrAUG:

So in order to take a nostalgic trip down softcore memory lane I grabbed this one. And in two scenes where Sylvia takes her underwear off a GREY SPOT appears on the screen.

Pretty sad that a movie I could watch on Showtime back in 1981 uneditted is not available to me as a grown adult on DVD in it's original form.





I never understood why someone who can have "Live" instead chooses "Memorex."





????

I wasn't getting the DVD for sexual gratification.
Link Posted: 2/27/2006 7:12:05 AM EDT

Originally Posted By SteyrAUG:

Originally Posted By garandman:

I never understood why someone who can have "Live" instead chooses "Memorex."





????

I wasn't getting the DVD for sexual gratification.



Yer not one of "those people" who think of porn as art, are you?

They're weird.

Link Posted: 2/27/2006 7:18:05 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/27/2006 7:19:38 AM EDT by SteyrAUG]

Originally Posted By garandman:

Originally Posted By SteyrAUG:

Originally Posted By garandman:

I never understood why someone who can have "Live" instead chooses "Memorex."





????

I wasn't getting the DVD for sexual gratification.



Yer not one of "those people" who think of porn as art, are you?

They're weird.




If I were trying to produce a stiffy to play with there is a LOT more effective material. This is just one of those "fun" movies from the past like "Up The Academy" and "Animal House." Private Lessons wasn't a "porn" flick. If I want to run a "system check" I've got a bunch of Ginger Lynn DVDs.
Link Posted: 2/27/2006 7:20:25 AM EDT

Originally Posted By SteyrAUG:

If I were trying to produce a stiffy to play with there is a LOT more effective material. This is just one of those "fun" movies from the past like "Up The Academy" and "Animal House." .



Well.....I guess I am "sorry for your loss" then.

Link Posted: 2/27/2006 7:31:09 AM EDT

Originally Posted By SteyrAUG:

And in two scenes where Sylvia takes her underwear off a GREY SPOT appears on the screen.




Maybe she just got older. I mean, it is 25 years later. Grey hair isn't reserved only for the noggin...
Link Posted: 2/27/2006 7:34:31 AM EDT

Originally Posted By SteyrAUG:
If I want to run a "system check" I've got a bunch of Ginger Lynn DVDs.




he said "system check".
Link Posted: 2/27/2006 8:06:39 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Persephone:

Originally Posted By SteyrAUG:
If I want to run a "system check" I've got a bunch of Ginger Lynn DVDs.




he said "system check".



It's required maintenance per the operations manual.
Link Posted: 2/27/2006 8:13:19 AM EDT

Originally Posted By SteyrAUG:

Originally Posted By Persephone:

Originally Posted By SteyrAUG:
If I want to run a "system check" I've got a bunch of Ginger Lynn DVDs.




he said "system check".



It's required maintenance per the operations manual.



Damn. Coffee + Keyboard = ...again.
Link Posted: 2/27/2006 8:20:45 AM EDT

Originally Posted By garandman:

Originally Posted By SteyrAUG:

So in order to take a nostalgic trip down softcore memory lane I grabbed this one. And in two scenes where Sylvia takes her underwear off a GREY SPOT appears on the screen. hinking.gif

Pretty sad that a movie I could watch on Showtime back in 1981 uneditted is not available to me as a grown adult on DVD in it's original form.





I never understood why someone who can have "Live" instead chooses "Memorex."

Besides, you forgot the whole "war on drugs" thing.




Yeah good old Ronny and the contras
lowered the coke price by a 1/3rd
Link Posted: 2/27/2006 8:21:53 AM EDT
Reagan fucked me out of 2 years of social security by signing a democrap bill to raise Social Security full benefit age from 65 to 67. Thanks Gipper Enjoy your jelly beans
Link Posted: 2/27/2006 8:24:39 AM EDT

Originally Posted By AssaultRifler:
Reagan fucked me out of 2 years of social security by signing a democrap bill to raise Social Security full benefit age from 65 to 67. Thanks Gipper Enjoy your jelly beans



Don't think he'll be eating many these days.
Link Posted: 2/27/2006 8:29:29 AM EDT

Originally Posted By SteyrAUG:
One of my favorite Presidents as far as the big picture but he really has managed to stick it to me a few times.

First, obviously the whole domestic machine gun thing. But at least it came as part of the FOPA 86 so it was a bad "good" thing.

Then of course the whole Messe Commission / Moral Majority thing, but besides 7-11 no longer stocking Playboy it didn't really have an actual impact, 80s porn was pretty good and I never got into some of the extreme crap from the 70s anyway, not crazy about it in modern adult stuff either.

But apparantly in the early 80s Ron passed or signed a law that prohibited the depiction of a nude adult in a film with a minor (where not talking child porn here, I don't wanna see that crap either, we are talking about a teen seeing an adult naked).

I'm not exactly sure how "Birth" was made as it seems to violate the law where a young boy saw a naked Nicole Kidman and was in a bathtub with her.

Anyway a fond childhood memory was recently released on DVD. The 25th Anniversary Edition of "Private Lessons" (1981).

I remembered this film well from the early days of cable TV. Starring Sylvia Kristel and about a rich kid of about 15 who is seduced by his French maid. And boy did I want to be in that kids shoes as I was about the same age.

So in order to take a nostalgic trip down softcore memory lane I grabbed this one. And in two scenes where Sylvia takes her underwear off a GREY SPOT appears on the screen.

Pretty sad that a movie I could watch on Showtime back in 1981 uneditted is not available to me as a grown adult on DVD in it's original form.

While I was aware of pre code films (prior to 1934) that we censored I had no idea that a pre early 80s equivalent existed. Seems a few of the early 80s films are NOT available in their original form, mostly due to sexually explicit content.

And that seems strange to me because the titles in question are extremely tame when compared to what you can STILL see on cable TV today.




I watched that movie when I was like 12 and staying at a relatives house with my family in Florida while they were out of town . They had it recorded on VHS and I watched it several times. I wanted to be that guy! I can't believe they censored the DVD!!!!!!!!
Link Posted: 2/27/2006 8:47:56 AM EDT

Originally Posted By greenranger:
BUT, BUT, BUT, BUT REAGAN STOOD FOR FREEDOM!!!

GR



Didn't he call Nancy, Mommie?
Link Posted: 2/27/2006 9:18:31 AM EDT

Originally Posted By greenranger:
BUT, BUT, BUT, BUT REAGAN STOOD FOR FREEDOM!!!


Of course, he did.

The reason that we are not facing the Soviet Union any longer is simply due to President Reagan.

'Ronald Reagan won the Cold War without firing a shot.' ~ Margaret Thatcher

'It was the most stunning diplomatic feat of the modern era.' ~ Henry Kissenger

And now we're whining because Wal-Mart desn't sell soft-porn?

So this is how the world ends...the world ends...the world ends....not with a bang but with a whimper?

And a whine?

'Between the desire
And the spasm'



Eric The(WithDueAplogiesToT.S.Eliot)Hun
Link Posted: 2/27/2006 10:02:05 AM EDT

Originally Posted By EricTheHun:


And now we're whining because Wal-Mart desn't sell soft-porn?
Eric The(WithDueAplogiesToT.S.Eliot)Hun



My post had NOTHING to do with Wal Mart.

Every copy of the official US release is censored.
Link Posted: 2/27/2006 10:07:28 AM EDT

Originally Posted By AssaultRifler:
Reagan fucked me out of 2 years of social security by signing a democrap bill to raise Social Security full benefit age from 65 to 67. Thanks Gipper Enjoy your jelly beans



No, Reagan didn't "fuck" you out of anything.

You were "fucked" by the entire concept of Social Security in the first place.

Link Posted: 2/27/2006 10:14:37 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/27/2006 10:14:54 AM EDT by garandman]

Originally Posted By SteyrAUG:

Originally Posted By EricTheHun:


And now we're whining because Wal-Mart desn't sell soft-porn?
Eric The(WithDueAplogiesToT.S.Eliot)Hun



My post had NOTHING to do with Wal Mart.

Every copy of the official US release is censored.



And I wish this were even in the Top 1000 problems in the country today.

I wish all our problems were so trivial.



Link Posted: 2/27/2006 10:16:30 AM EDT

Originally Posted By SteyrAUG:

Originally Posted By EricTheHun:

And now we're whining because Wal-Mart desn't sell soft-porn?
Eric The(WithDueAplogiesToT.S.Eliot)Hun


My post had NOTHING to do with Wal Mart.

Every copy of the official US release is censored.


I could have sworn someone here mentioned Wal-Mart, but, no? Don't your read your own threads?

OK, so you're simply whining that you cannot get your hands on a particular soft-porn movie?

Wow!

Jeepers, I know how the Founding Fathers would be aghast that you couldn't get your hands on the latest copy of 'Juggs' from the 7-11, and now we must consider how those Founding Fathers would be likewise astonished that you are denied the simple basic freedom of expression contained in some B-grade movie from the Seventies!

Of course, not the 1770's but the 1970's!

Again, Wow!

Eric The(AndTheseAreTheFolksThatTheNextCivilWarWil­lBeFoughtWith?GodHelpUs!)Hun
Link Posted: 2/27/2006 10:20:19 AM EDT
In fairness, ETH, I think you are being a bit hard on the lad....

Link Posted: 2/27/2006 10:23:03 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/27/2006 10:25:00 AM EDT by EricTheHun]
Hard?

I wouldn't dare use that word in this thread!

I think I know a good motto for when the SHTF....

'Don't Worry If You Can't See Sylvia Kristel's Bush on Day One of the Revolution, You Will On Day Two!'



Eric The(SoundOfOneHandSlapping)Hun
Link Posted: 2/27/2006 10:26:17 AM EDT

Originally Posted By EricTheHun:
Hard?

I wouldn't dare use that word in this thread!

I think I know a good motto for when the SHTF....

'Don't Worry If You Can't See Sylvia Kristel's Bush on Day One of the Revolution, You Will On Day Two!'



Eric The(SoundOfOneHandSlapping)Hun



First post in a while to make me laugh out loud....
Link Posted: 2/27/2006 10:32:41 AM EDT
And I still think its quite telling some people give Reagan a pass on banning machine guns, but get chapped with him on interfering with their pr0n habit.

The Republic is, in fact, lost, Mr. Franklin.



Link Posted: 2/27/2006 10:32:52 AM EDT

Originally Posted By garandman:


And I wish this were even in the Top 1000 problems in the country today.

I wish all our problems were so trivial.






I never assigned it any kind of National priority. It's merely a post on arfcom.
Link Posted: 2/27/2006 10:37:46 AM EDT

Originally Posted By EricTheHun:

Originally Posted By SteyrAUG:

Originally Posted By EricTheHun:

And now we're whining because Wal-Mart desn't sell soft-porn?
Eric The(WithDueAplogiesToT.S.Eliot)Hun


My post had NOTHING to do with Wal Mart.

Every copy of the official US release is censored.


I could have sworn someone here mentioned Wal-Mart, but, no? Don't your read your own threads?



Yes, someone DID mention Wal Mart but it turned out to be an unrelated issue with respect to what I posted.


Originally Posted By EricTheHun:
OK, so you're simply whining that you cannot get your hands on a particular soft-porn movie?

Wow!



Close, I got a copy. I'm dissapointed that a movie which received certification in 1981, that was viewable on cable, is now censored today. I know you don't care about such things, and there are people similar to you who talk about us whinning for 10 years because we couldn't have bayonet lugs on our baby killing rifles.


Originally Posted By EricTheHun:
Jeepers, I know how the Founding Fathers would be aghast that you couldn't get your hands on the latest copy of 'Juggs' from the 7-11, and now we must consider how those Founding Fathers would be likewise astonished that you are denied the simple basic freedom of expression contained in some B-grade movie from the Seventies!

Of course, not the 1770's but the 1970's!

Again, Wow!

Eric The(AndTheseAreTheFolksThatTheNextCivilWarWil­lBeFoughtWith?GodHelpUs!)Hun



Again real close. B movie but from 1981.

And again, you couldn't care about censored films on DVD.

Other people don't care about folding stocks and flash hiders.

I tend to care about these things. Both are noticable indicators of lost freedoms.
Link Posted: 2/27/2006 10:39:06 AM EDT
Originally Posted By SteyrAUG:

I never assigned it any kind of National priority. It's merely a post on arfcom.

Whew!

'Stand down, Bob Guccione Battalion, stand down!'

I thought we were witnessing the 'Shot heard cross the room', when you posted this!

Glad to know that you have the problem in hand.

Eric The(SuchABigFuss)Hun
Link Posted: 2/27/2006 10:40:48 AM EDT

Originally Posted By SteyrAUG:
... I'd rather my kid see a porn mag in 7-11 than see two men kissing on network prime time television...



I'll take "HOW 'BOUT NEITHER?" for $1000, Alex!

Link Posted: 2/27/2006 10:41:58 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/27/2006 10:42:24 AM EDT by EricTheHun]
Originally Posted By SteyrAUG:

I tend to care about these things.

Yes, we've all seen your vast collection!

I also understand you have some weapons.



Eric The(PuttingHisMoneyWhereHisMouthIs)Hun
Link Posted: 2/27/2006 10:59:24 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/27/2006 11:01:41 AM EDT by garandman]

Originally Posted By SteyrAUG:

Originally Posted By garandman:


And I wish this were even in the Top 1000 problems in the country today.

I wish all our problems were so trivial.






I never assigned it any kind of National priority. It's merely a post on arfcom.



To me, You DID assign it national priority in that you are NOT mad about Reagan banning MG's but you got your knickers in a knot about pr0n.

To me, MG's legality IS a matter of national priority, but (correct me if I'm wrong) you are NOT as mad about Reagan banning MG's as you are about Reagan obscuring your view of said females private parts.

Again, correct any incorrect statement I've made.

Link Posted: 2/27/2006 11:02:39 AM EDT
Originally Posted By garandman:

You DID assign it national priority in that you are NOT mad about Reagan banning MG's but you got your knickers in a knot about pr0n.

With all due respect, garandman, I seem to recall quite a few threads by SteyrAUG about the downside of President Reagan's signing the FOPA of 1986.

He has spoken out against the 'machine gun ban' on many occasions, again, IIRC.

Eric The(Truthful,AsAlways)Hun
Link Posted: 2/27/2006 11:02:50 AM EDT

Originally Posted By EricTheHun:

'Stand down, Bob Guccione Battalion, stand down!'

I thought we were witnessing the 'Shot heard cross the room', when you posted this!

Glad to know that you have the problem in hand.

Eric The(SuchABigFuss)Hun





Yer bad, Eric.



Link Posted: 2/27/2006 11:04:45 AM EDT

Originally Posted By EricTheHun:
Originally Posted By garandman:

You DID assign it national priority in that you are NOT mad about Reagan banning MG's but you got your knickers in a knot about pr0n.

With all due respect, garandman, I seem to recall quite a few threads by SteyrAUG about the downside of President Reagan's signing the FOPA of 1986.

He has spoken out against the 'machine gun ban' on many occasions, again, IIRC.

Eric The(Truthful,AsAlways)Hun



As I recall, he viewed the MG ban as a sort of necesary evil, and on the whole said Reagan did the right thing re: FOPA.

Ergo, he is providing Reagan cover on banning MG's, but has Reagan in his gun sights for banning pr0n.

That's all I'm sayin'.



Link Posted: 2/27/2006 11:05:16 AM EDT
Is this thread about porn or machine guns?
Link Posted: 2/27/2006 11:06:07 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Coop_K:
Is this thread about porn or machine guns?



Its about Reagan.

And logical consistency.

Its about gun pr0n.

Link Posted: 2/27/2006 2:05:22 PM EDT

Originally Posted By EricTheHun:
Hard?

I wouldn't dare use that word in this thread!

I think I know a good motto for when the SHTF....

'Don't Worry If You Can't See Sylvia Kristel's Bush on Day One of the Revolution, You Will On Day Two!'



Eric The(SoundOfOneHandSlapping)Hun

Link Posted: 2/27/2006 8:11:43 PM EDT

Originally Posted By garandman:


To me, You DID assign it national priority in that you are NOT mad about Reagan banning MG's but you got your knickers in a knot about pr0n.



Correction, that was actually the FIRST THING I addressed. And I quote...

"First, obviously the whole domestic machine gun thing. But at least it came as part of the FOPA 86 so it was a bad "good" thing."


Originally Posted By garandman:
To me, MG's legality IS a matter of national priority, but (correct me if I'm wrong) you are NOT as mad about Reagan banning MG's as you are about Reagan obscuring your view of said females private parts.

Again, correct any incorrect statement I've made.



You would be INCORRECT in that assessment.

As I specifically noted, even with the Meese Commission and Ron's general anti porn stance...

"it didn't really have an actual impact, 80s porn was pretty good and I never got into some of the extreme crap from the 70s anyway"

So really, with the exception of a few films (like "Private Lessons") Ron didn't even come close to restricting my access to stuff like 80s porn (Ginger Lynn, Christy Canyon, etc.)

I simply find it ironic that I can view explicit adult content but some films that are basically "hard cable" which DID get certification at the time, are now editted.

Would I prefer to be able to own an uneditted version? Absolutely.

Would I rather have it than see the domestic MG ban lifted? Are you kidding?

Hell I'd rather see the end of the 89 import ban than a lifting of the "grey spot" decree.

To me those rights are a bit more significant.

But I'd rather have all of them lifted. It's a lot like guys who could buy M-80s as kids and NOW they are illegal and the gooberment would have you believe they are doing you a favor. I just find it hard to accept the fact that ANYONE could watch "Private Lessons" on Showtime in 1981 and now, as an adult, I cannot get an uneditted version of the same film I watched as a young teen.

Of course I also find it ridiculous that I cannot buy a HK91 or 93 in the same way I did back in 1983.
Link Posted: 2/27/2006 8:17:08 PM EDT

Originally Posted By garandman:

Originally Posted By EricTheHun:
Originally Posted By garandman:

You DID assign it national priority in that you are NOT mad about Reagan banning MG's but you got your knickers in a knot about pr0n.

With all due respect, garandman, I seem to recall quite a few threads by SteyrAUG about the downside of President Reagan's signing the FOPA of 1986.

He has spoken out against the 'machine gun ban' on many occasions, again, IIRC.

Eric The(Truthful,AsAlways)Hun



As I recall, he viewed the MG ban as a sort of necesary evil, and on the whole said Reagan did the right thing re: FOPA.

Ergo, he is providing Reagan cover on banning MG's, but has Reagan in his gun sights for banning pr0n.

That's all I'm sayin'.




No I said I'd rather have the FOPA 86 WITH the MG ban than NO FOPA 86.

The reason for this is without the FOPA 86 the MG ban would have happened within a few years anyway. So no matter what it was gonna happen.

And there is a real possibility that this was the last best chance to make the FOPA happen.

Personally I'd love to see the 68 Sporter Clause removed as that is the foundation for the 68 (imported) MG ban, the 86 (domestic) MG ban and the 89 Import Ban.

In a perfect world we'd have gotten the FOPA without the MG ban, but I don't think that would ever have happened. I think Reagan made the best possible choice in a less than perfect situation.

And as I recall, when I specifically asked what YOU would have done in his shoes, you agreed he did the best he could given the choices available to him.
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