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Posted: 2/25/2006 1:53:24 PM EDT
Hold on. Poll coming.
Link Posted: 2/25/2006 1:54:03 PM EDT
IBTP
Link Posted: 2/25/2006 1:54:42 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/25/2006 1:55:51 PM EDT by lordtrader]
Link Posted: 2/25/2006 1:55:59 PM EDT
they are not slipping in sales - and if they were, it would be because everyone already has three. I have four.
Link Posted: 2/25/2006 1:58:09 PM EDT

Originally Posted By FordGuy:
they are not slipping in sales - and if they were, it would be because everyone already has three. I have four.




+1 I have a full size and ultra compact 1911. I'm maxed out.
Link Posted: 2/25/2006 1:58:23 PM EDT
if they are (which I'm not sure about) it's probably a capacity issue
Link Posted: 2/25/2006 2:00:07 PM EDT
Who says they are?
Guess I will have to go buy another one.
Link Posted: 2/25/2006 2:00:10 PM EDT
I've always been shy of the whole "cocked and locked" thing. I love guns and carry a pistol whenever I leave my house, but I'm intimidated by 1911's.

Blasphemy in certain circles I'm sure, but there it is.

YMMV.
Link Posted: 2/25/2006 2:00:20 PM EDT
I own two 1911s. I more than likely won't get another one. Two SIGS, two Springfield 1911s, and a BUG is about the end of it for me. Okay, I'll probably get another SIG.
Link Posted: 2/25/2006 2:01:12 PM EDT

Originally Posted By macro:
Who says they are?



+1
Link Posted: 2/25/2006 2:01:34 PM EDT
Who said they were slipping?

I'm just holding back waiting for the 100th Anniversary models coming out in 5 years
Link Posted: 2/25/2006 2:04:25 PM EDT
Because everything else is better.



J/K... I love my RIA 1911. Cheap and it works everytime.
Link Posted: 2/25/2006 2:07:41 PM EDT
What makes you thinking they are in a sales decline?
Link Posted: 2/25/2006 2:08:30 PM EDT
I didn't know they were slipping, but if they are it is the expiration of the AWB.
Link Posted: 2/25/2006 2:09:01 PM EDT

Originally Posted By TheFreepster:
I didn't know they were slipping, but if they are it is the expiration of the AWB.



Bingo!
Link Posted: 2/25/2006 2:09:17 PM EDT
Link Posted: 2/25/2006 2:12:52 PM EDT
Let's seem some figures.
Link Posted: 2/25/2006 2:12:53 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/25/2006 2:13:43 PM EDT by SIG-24-7]
I suppose it's just my imagination, or the fact that most people are typically bragging about their new Glock, XD, SIG, Berretta, HK, etc. Plus, the average cost of a new 1911 seems to be in high $700 to $900 dollar range. Where as a new Glock, XD, SIG, etc., can be found for $450 to $600.

And higher capacity plays a part too.

IMHO
Link Posted: 2/25/2006 2:15:38 PM EDT
I doubt 1911 sales are slipping. Several of the popular models are hard to get as everyone is always sold out
Link Posted: 2/25/2006 2:16:46 PM EDT

Originally Posted By TheFreepster:
I didn't know they were slipping, but if they are it is the expiration of the AWB.



Agreed. Don't know that 1911 sales are decreasing, but if they are I would guess it is related to the end of the AWB (spare for those of us in NY...)

In an effort to get the most bang for the buck under the AWB meant for many buying .45 ACP pistols - such as the 1911.

With the AWB gone, some are going for the higher capacity pistols again, or splitting the difference with .40 S&W caliber pistols.

Also, perhaps cash that would have gone towards semi-auto pistols is going to pay for Evil Black Rifles before the next inevitable wave of gun grabbing comes about? Of course, that would translate across all semi-auto pistol sales and not just 1911s.

Again, I don't have any special knowlege, just a thought...
Link Posted: 2/25/2006 2:17:56 PM EDT

Originally Posted By SIG-24-7:

Originally Posted By TheFreepster:
I didn't know they were slipping, but if they are it is the expiration of the AWB.



Bingo!



Yep.
Link Posted: 2/25/2006 2:19:04 PM EDT

Originally Posted By DOW:
I've always been shy of the whole "cocked and locked" thing. I love guns and carry a pistol whenever I leave my house, but I'm intimidated by 1911's.

Blasphemy in certain circles I'm sure, but there it is.

YMMV.



It's ok, one day you'll be a man...
Link Posted: 2/25/2006 2:24:19 PM EDT
go look up the back logs of 1911 smiths....
Link Posted: 2/25/2006 2:34:03 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/25/2006 2:35:31 PM EDT by olds442tyguy]
Capacity.
Single action only.
Sharp beavertail.
Sharp hammer when carrying cocked and locked.
Having to carry cocked and locked.
Expensive.
Heavy.
Unsimplified take down.
45 is the primary caliber.
A single stack full size 9mm is lame.

I love the 1911, but those are some of the things I think would sway people away. People rely on capacity, they don't like having to carry cocked and locked, they don't like sharper protruding objects, they're pricey, pistol weights are dropping lower and lower, they make a Glock's take down look childishly easy, alot of people are afraid of the 45 ACP round, and the 1911 simply wasn't designed for any round but 45.

I doubt the sales are slipping, even though the 1911 is probably the most common handgun in the world. The 1911 is still my favorite handgun bar none and the fact that sales are still strong almost 100 years later is proof that it's by far the most popular handgun of all time.
Link Posted: 2/25/2006 2:42:47 PM EDT
...because todays generation can't handle it.
Link Posted: 2/25/2006 2:48:13 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/25/2006 2:48:55 PM EDT by AeroE]
1911's are more popular than ever, and one of these days after the plastic fad dies, they will still be around.

I can't decide if it's my favorite handgun, or not, but I enjoyed shooting my #1 1911 today.
Link Posted: 2/25/2006 2:50:05 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/25/2006 2:52:56 PM EDT by Dusty_C]
There's no poll option for "they suck"


Originally Posted By AeroE:
1911's are more popular than ever, and one of these days after the plastic fad dies, they will still be around.

I can't decide if it's my favorite handgun, or not, but I enjoyed shooting my #1 1911 today.

Glocks have been around for 20 years now. In those 20 years they've sold 4.5 million handguns in the US alone. Not sure that's just a fad.
Link Posted: 2/25/2006 2:54:49 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Dusty_C:
There's no poll option for "they suck"


Originally Posted By AeroE:
1911's are more popular than ever, and one of these days after the plastic fad dies, they will still be around.

I can't decide if it's my favorite handgun, or not, but I enjoyed shooting my #1 1911 today.

Glocks have been around for 20 years now. In those 20 years they've sold 4.5 million handguns in the US alone. Not sure that's just a fad.



there is no poll option for that because a "they suck" option would not be applicable to the 1911.
Link Posted: 2/25/2006 2:57:21 PM EDT
Link Posted: 2/25/2006 3:00:21 PM EDT

Originally Posted By DOW:
I've always been shy of the whole "cocked and locked" thing. I love guns and carry a pistol whenever I leave my house, but I'm intimidated by 1911's.

Blasphemy in certain circles I'm sure, but there it is.

YMMV.




Simple----Have FN`s SFS installed ad you`re good to go.
Link Posted: 2/25/2006 3:01:14 PM EDT

Originally Posted By adair_usmc:

Originally Posted By Dusty_C:
There's no poll option for "they suck"


Originally Posted By AeroE:
1911's are more popular than ever, and one of these days after the plastic fad dies, they will still be around.

I can't decide if it's my favorite handgun, or not, but I enjoyed shooting my #1 1911 today.

Glocks have been around for 20 years now. In those 20 years they've sold 4.5 million handguns in the US alone. Not sure that's just a fad.



there is no poll option for that because a "they suck" option would not be applicable to the 1911.



You tell me which ones don't. I've owned 3 of them. 2 of them were Kimbers. None could EVER be tuned to the point where it would run more than about 400 rounds without a malfunction. Both the glocks I've owned were malfunction free, my Glock 22 has over 30k rounds through it in under a year and never been cleaned good, just a few bore swabs. ZERO malfunctions.

I do happen to love the design of 1911s though. If someone could make one that didn't suck and was as reliable as my glock, and was a double stack, it'd be my carry piece. Until then, the Glock, that works, stays on my belt.
Link Posted: 2/25/2006 3:06:30 PM EDT
If they are slipping......GOOD.

The only slipping I can see is the number of varients that 1911 companies produce. Let be realistic for a second, how many times can they re-package the 1911.

Kimber makes the Desert Warrior.........................great it has a new paint job
Kimber makes the Raptor......................................great it has a ugly grip and "scales"
Springfield puts a rail on the bottom.....................WOW
Ed Brown puts his name on the side......................He is the greatest
Wilson Combat makes a green and black 1911....Innovative

No matter how you dress it up or market it, it is still a 1911. If you like them, wonderful but lets stop with the gun rags always saying "THE GREATEST HANDGUN EVER A 1911 with some new crap.....it looks like and shoots like a 1911 from 90 years ago, but this one has a NEW paint job


At least a Glock is ugly as sin, but they are not re leasing a new Glock model year after year with a new grip or extractor to increase sales.



Link Posted: 2/25/2006 3:08:29 PM EDT

Originally Posted By chromeluv:
go look up the back logs of 1911 smiths....


That piece of $hit?
Link Posted: 2/25/2006 3:10:44 PM EDT

Originally Posted By UZI4you:
If they are slipping......GOOD.

The only slipping I can see is the number of varients that 1911 companies produce. Let be realistic for a second, how many times can they re-package the 1911.

Kimber makes the Desert Warrior.........................great it has a new paint job
Kimber makes the Raptor......................................great it has a ugly grip and "scales"
Springfield puts a rail on the bottom.....................WOW
Ed Brown puts his name on the side......................He is the greatest
Wilson Combat makes a green and black 1911....Innovative

No matter how you dress it up or market it, it is still a 1911. If you like them, wonderful but lets stop with the gun rags always saying "THE GREATEST HANDGUN EVER A 1911 with some new crap.....it looks like and shoots like a 1911 from 90 years ago, but this one has a NEW paint job

At least a Glock is ugly as sin, but they are not re leasing a new Glock model year after year with a new grip or extractor to increase sales.


Link Posted: 2/25/2006 3:12:14 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Wobblin-Goblin:

Originally Posted By chromeluv:
go look up the back logs of 1911 smiths....


That piece of $hit?




?? sorry, dont understand.
Link Posted: 2/25/2006 3:12:18 PM EDT

Originally Posted By olds442tyguy:
Capacity.
Single action only.
Sharp beavertail.
Sharp hammer when carrying cocked and locked.
Having to carry cocked and locked.
Expensive.
Heavy.
Unsimplified take down.
45 is the primary caliber.
A single stack full size 9mm is lame.

I love the 1911, but those are some of the things I think would sway people away. People rely on capacity, they don't like having to carry cocked and locked, they don't like sharper protruding objects, they're pricey, pistol weights are dropping lower and lower, they make a Glock's take down look childishly easy, alot of people are afraid of the 45 ACP round, and the 1911 simply wasn't designed for any round but 45.

I doubt the sales are slipping, even though the 1911 is probably the most common handgun in the world. The 1911 is still my favorite handgun bar none and the fact that sales are still strong almost 100 years later is proof that it's by far the most popular handgun of all time.



Not even close.
Link Posted: 2/25/2006 3:14:53 PM EDT

Originally Posted By triburst1:
Not even close.




What is the most common? Hi-Power? S&W M&P .38? Makarov? Glock?
Link Posted: 2/25/2006 3:15:25 PM EDT

Originally Posted By olds442tyguy:
I doubt the sales are slipping, even though the 1911 is probably the most common handgun in the world United States.



Fixed it for you.
Link Posted: 2/25/2006 3:16:34 PM EDT
Wait a minute... WAIT A MINUTE...


WAIT ONE FRIGGIN MINUTE!!!!!



You mean to tell me there is ANOTHER type of pistol OTHER than a 1911?
Link Posted: 2/25/2006 3:16:46 PM EDT

Originally Posted By SIG-24-7:

Originally Posted By olds442tyguy:
I doubt the sales are slipping, even though the 1911 is probably the most common handgun in the world United States.



Fixed it for you.

I doubt that's even true. By brand Glock is by far in first. There are over 4.5 million glocks in the US.
Link Posted: 2/25/2006 3:19:52 PM EDT

Originally Posted By DrFrige:
Wait a minute... WAIT A MINUTE...


WAIT ONE FRIGGIN MINUTE!!!!!



You mean to tell me there is ANOTHER type of pistol OTHER than a 1911?



Yep, there sure it. You gotta watch out though - the boxy squared plastic ones have a tendency to blow up in your hand. Handle with caution.
Link Posted: 2/25/2006 3:27:15 PM EDT

Originally Posted By adair_usmc:

Originally Posted By DrFrige:
Wait a minute... WAIT A MINUTE...


WAIT ONE FRIGGIN MINUTE!!!!!



You mean to tell me there is ANOTHER type of pistol OTHER than a 1911?



Yep, there sure it. You gotta watch out though - the boxy squared plastic ones have a tendency to blow up in your hand. Handle with caution.



PLASTIC??? you mean for HUMAN use?

Link Posted: 2/25/2006 3:28:56 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Dusty_C:

There's no poll option for "they suck"


You tell me which ones don't. I've owned 3 of them. 2 of them were Kimbers. None could EVER be tuned to the point where it would run more than about 400 rounds without a malfunction. Both the glocks I've owned were malfunction free, my Glock 22 has over 30k rounds through it in under a year and never been cleaned good, just a few bore swabs. ZERO malfunctions.

I do happen to love the design of 1911s though. If someone could make one that didn't suck and was as reliable as my glock, and was a double stack, it'd be my carry piece. Until then, the Glock, that works, stays on my belt.




You have put 30,000 rounds of ammo through your Glock 22 in 1 year and never cleaned it. Damn, where do you buy your ammo, that has got to run you $4000.00 the last year just for ammo. You reload? That's close to 600 rds a week every week if you don't take a break.
Link Posted: 2/25/2006 3:29:21 PM EDT
because evryone is holding off for the Taurus PT1911
Link Posted: 2/25/2006 3:30:46 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/25/2006 3:36:04 PM EDT by adair_usmc]

Originally Posted By DrFrige:

Originally Posted By adair_usmc:

Originally Posted By DrFrige:
Wait a minute... WAIT A MINUTE...


WAIT ONE FRIGGIN MINUTE!!!!!



You mean to tell me there is ANOTHER type of pistol OTHER than a 1911?



Yep, there sure it. You gotta watch out though - the boxy squared plastic ones have a tendency to blow up in your hand. Handle with caution.



PLASTIC??? you mean for HUMAN use?

schweppe.org/images/chimpanzee-glock.jpg





The typical glock lover

I bet this guy wishes he bought something other than a Glock -



Link Posted: 2/25/2006 3:31:26 PM EDT

Originally Posted By adair_usmc:

Originally Posted By DrFrige:
Wait a minute... WAIT A MINUTE...


WAIT ONE FRIGGIN MINUTE!!!!!



You mean to tell me there is ANOTHER type of pistol OTHER than a 1911?



Yep, there sure it. You gotta watch out though - the boxy squared plastic ones have a tendency to blow up in your hand. Handle with caution.



+1!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!­!!!!!!!!!

Link Posted: 2/25/2006 3:32:35 PM EDT
IF it is true...

High Price
Lower Quality (at least perceived)
Link Posted: 2/25/2006 3:36:09 PM EDT
1911 sales can't be slipping. I just bought one. What ever I buy becomes the "In" thing to have.

________________________



Link Posted: 2/25/2006 3:38:13 PM EDT

Originally Posted By DrFrige:

Originally Posted By adair_usmc:

Originally Posted By DrFrige:
Wait a minute... WAIT A MINUTE...


WAIT ONE FRIGGIN MINUTE!!!!!



You mean to tell me there is ANOTHER type of pistol OTHER than a 1911?



Yep, there sure it. You gotta watch out though - the boxy squared plastic ones have a tendency to blow up in your hand. Handle with caution.



PLASTIC??? you mean for HUMAN use?

schweppe.org/images/chimpanzee-glock.jpg





alright.....who let the monkey play with teh hand grenade
Link Posted: 2/25/2006 3:39:12 PM EDT
...and on the eighth day, GOD made the 1911-and He saw that it was good.



i wouldn't go as far as to say that glocks suck, but they do have some drawbacks.

1. the really aren't as safe as all the glock-heads would have you believe. the incidence of NDs is undoubtedly high among people who use glock as their CCW.
2. plastic is for barbie's townhouse, a MAN's gun is made of steel

3. they are as ugly as the north end of a southbound pig

4. the kaboom factor

5. hell, even glock's website sucks monkey

just because the 1911 design is old, doen't mean it isn't effective. people have screwed around for years trying to build the perfect handgun, and yet look what they keep coming back to. why mess with perfection? don't fix something that isn't broken.
Link Posted: 2/25/2006 3:41:33 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/25/2006 3:42:07 PM EDT by marc1979]

Originally Posted By NotoriousSEG:
...and on the eighth day, GOD made the 1911-and He saw that it was good.



i wouldn't go as far as to say that glocks suck, but they do have some drawbacks.

1. the really aren't as safe as all the glock-heads would have you believe. the incidence of NDs is undoubtedly high among people who use glock as their CCW.
2. plastic is for barbie's townhouse, a MAN's gun is made of steel

3. they are as ugly as the north end of a southbound pig

4. the kaboom factor

5. hell, even glock's website sucks monkey


just because the 1911 design is old, doen't mean it isn't effective. people have screwed around for years trying to build the perfect handgun, and yet look what they keep coming back to. why mess with perfection? don't fix something that isn't broken.



dang skippy...
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