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Posted: 2/23/2006 8:59:54 PM EDT
Hello all,
I was just wondering, if there were a rifle and ammunition on the market that used electric ignitiion but with a system that was recharged within the gun through the action of the opperating rod. (ie never have to buy batteries, never runs out) would that be something you would be willing to accept?
Link Posted: 2/23/2006 9:01:03 PM EDT
sounds FAAAAAR too complicated to be usable. Way too vulnerable to a short, not to mention the big question:

WHY?
Link Posted: 2/23/2006 9:04:05 PM EDT
If the cartridge has to be made anyways, might as well stick a primer in there.

I personally believe the modern primer system is almost fool proof.

Link Posted: 2/23/2006 9:10:13 PM EDT
It would make implementing caseless ammunition easier.

Link Posted: 2/23/2006 9:10:31 PM EDT
If you're trying to invent a better mousetrap....go to Plan 'B'.
Link Posted: 2/23/2006 9:13:35 PM EDT
Remington made a version of the 700 that had such a system. The advantages are ultra-short lock time and potentially super-light trigger pull. Microswitch triggers are what allow semi-auto paintball guns to be fired at 12+ shots per second.

www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0BQY/is_2001_Annual/ai_63922921

Scroll down to "The 700 Revolution" in the above article.
Link Posted: 2/23/2006 9:27:19 PM EDT

Originally Posted By TheSneak:
Remington made a version of the 700 that had such a system.



The "Etrex" system used a battery as the power source.

A piezo-electric igntion system meets the no-battery requirement: Several KV is generated by pulling the trigger, which can be used to ignite a primer - essentially the same scheme as used by the pushbutton ignitors on most propane barbecue grills.
Link Posted: 2/23/2006 9:37:51 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Skibane:

Originally Posted By TheSneak:
Remington made a version of the 700 that had such a system.



The "Etrex" system used a battery as the power source.

A piezo-electric igntion system meets the no-battery requirement: Several KV is generated by pulling the trigger, which can be used to ignite a primer - essentially the same scheme as used by the pushbutton ignitors on most propane barbecue grills.



Exactly, but more along the lines of it being opperated parralel to the opperating arm when the weapon cycles and the charge being held in a capacitor so that the trigger pull wouldn't be horrible.
Link Posted: 2/23/2006 9:58:58 PM EDT
Sounds like a good idea. Operating rod contains a magnet moving through a coil much like the "forever flashlight" sitting on my desk. Couple potential problems, but maybe not:

1. It may not produce enough energy per cycle to operate the firing system. Could use a battery to store, but since there is only one operation per shot, it would eventually need to be recharged if it can't produce enough energy per cycle. However, Faradays principle (the basis of operation) states that one of the factors affecting how much energy is generated is the speed at which the magnet moves, so it may actually work.

2. It would only be logical that the system would include a provision to prevent firing until the bolt is fully in battery. Circumvention of the firing circuit, possibly as easy as cutting and splicing wires, could enable the gun to fire automatically as soon as the bolt closes. Therefore, any semi-auto gun incorporating an electronic firing circuit would probably be classified as a machinegun, due to ease of conversion. Even if this is not a probelm, a few parts from radioshack could be used to build an oscillator circuit which would automatically fire the weapon rapidly simply by holding the trigger down. No way could it be marketed to us lowly peons...
Link Posted: 2/24/2006 8:00:15 PM EDT

Originally Posted By PromptCritical:
Sounds like a good idea. Operating rod contains a magnet moving through a coil much like the "forever flashlight" sitting on my desk. Couple potential problems, but maybe not:

1. It may not produce enough energy per cycle to operate the firing system. Could use a battery to store, but since there is only one operation per shot, it would eventually need to be recharged if it can't produce enough energy per cycle. However, Faradays principle (the basis of operation) states that one of the factors affecting how much energy is generated is the speed at which the magnet moves, so it may actually work.

2. It would only be logical that the system would include a provision to prevent firing until the bolt is fully in battery. Circumvention of the firing circuit, possibly as easy as cutting and splicing wires, could enable the gun to fire automatically as soon as the bolt closes. Therefore, any semi-auto gun incorporating an electronic firing circuit would probably be classified as a machinegun, due to ease of conversion. Even if this is not a probelm, a few parts from radioshack could be used to build an oscillator circuit which would automatically fire the weapon rapidly simply by holding the trigger down. No way could it be marketed to us lowly peons...



Hell, you don't even have to go to radio shack, because the boards already exist to use in electronic paintball guns.
Link Posted: 2/24/2006 8:10:08 PM EDT
A tinfoil helmet could gather stray electromagnetic energy to charge the VoltoMatic rifle.
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