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Posted: 2/21/2006 3:13:18 PM EDT
Tell me about Mark Sanford Gov. of South Carolina? Seems to perfect whats wrong with him?




www.worldnewspaperpublishing.com/news/FullStory.asp?loc=TCW&ID=1429

Time, not "Time" magazine, on Mark Sanford's side


By: Warren Smith

COMMENTARY--- South Carolina Governor Mark Sanford is a leader unlike any in America today, and that has liberals and their spokespeople worried. So worried, in fact, that one of the most prominent liberal outlets, “Time” magazine, recently named him one of the nation’s worst governors.

It’s easy to see why. Sanford is everything folks like the liberal editors of “Time” love to hate.

For one thing, he is what in an earlier age would often be called “a man of many parts,” someone whose accomplishments suggest both native ability, and hard work. He excelled in athletics and academics as a young man, made a fortune as an investment banker, and was elected to Congress in the pivotal “Republican Revolution” year of 1994, a year made famous by the “Contract With America,” which promised a smaller, more accountable federal government.

Sanford showed his own fiscal restraint – and a shrewd understanding of the power of symbolic action -- by sleeping in his Washington office and showering in the congressional members’ locker room. But the most significant symbol of his tenure in Congress was the fact that he left after only six years. When he ran for Congress the first time, he said he would serve only three terms. Nobody much believed him. But Sanford stunned everyone by honoring his word, and not just to run for something else, but to return home to his 3,000-acre farm near Beaufort and enjoy his growing family – which now included four young boys.

Then Sanford did something that doesn’t get mentioned much in his official biographies. He joined the military. At age 44, a time when many career military personnel are retiring, he joined the Air Force Reserves. I sat with him in his office in the Columbia Statehouse in 2003 and asked him, as respectfully as I could, “What in the world were you thinking?” He laughed and said, “My wife asked me that, too.” But then he got serious. As a member of the International Relations Committee, he often traveled with military escorts. “Often,” Sanford said, “I would end up on an aircraft carrier in the Persian Gulf, or with troops in Germany, and I just became profoundly impressed with the United States military as a leadership organization.” Sanford also said he came to believe that we had “disconnected the rights that go with being an American from [the] responsibilities that go with being an American.” He said he wanted his four boys to know they had a responsibility to serve, and he wanted to lead his boys with actions, not just words.

Sanford's penchant for striking just the right chord with words, image, and action is a hallmark of his leadership style: One of his first official acts as governor was to go to Orangeburg, S.C., and apologize to a mostly black audience for the infamous Orangeburg Massacre, a nasty incident of racial hatred that had long been a blight on the state’s history. When he wanted to cut state spending, he exercised the line-item veto more than 100 times on the state budget. But the legislature, controlled by his own party, overrode most of his vetoes, so Sanford brought two pigs into the Rotunda of the Capitol to make the point that there was too much pork in the budget. House Speaker David Wilkins called the pig stunt “childish” and “insulting,” and the state’s media said it proved that Sanford couldn’t even get along with his own party.

Ultimately, though, Sanford had the last squeal. He managed to keep spending growth to 1 percent, cut the state’s budget deficit by more than 90 percent, and got most of his revolutionary 16-point reform package passed. Sanford was named “most conservative” governor in American by the American Conservative Union. The Wilkins-led House of Representatives, on the other hand, was named “Porker of the Month” in June 2004 by Citizens Against Government Waste.

Now, there is an informal campaign to draft Sanford to run for president in 2008. Lots of conservative bloggers are calling him a “dream candidate,” someone who has the support of pro-lifers, the NRA, and libertarians. He told me as recently as this month that he’s going to run for governor again, not president. And, as we have already established, Sanford has a record of being as good as his word. So for now I believe him.

What I also believe is that he would make a great president. I hope he runs, and I hope he wins. For Mark Sanford, not yet 50 years of age and with tenures as Congressman and governor already under his belt, may not have “Time” on his side. But there are many of us who believe that he certainly has time on his side. And for a guy this good, we’re willing to wait.

Warren Smith is the publisher of The Charlotte World. He can be reached at warren.smith@thecharlotteworld.com
Link Posted: 2/21/2006 3:18:42 PM EDT
Sounds good, i like this guy from what i read.

That said, that's the ONLY thing I have ever read about him, so i dont have much of an informed opinion.
Link Posted: 2/21/2006 3:19:50 PM EDT

Originally Posted By USAF_Hop_N_Pop:
Sounds good, i like this guy from what i read.

That said, that's the ONLY thing I have ever read about him, so i dont have much of an informed opinion.



I am trying to get more informed as well as inform others????
Link Posted: 2/21/2006 3:20:08 PM EDT
Very few here really like him. He can't even get along with the legislators in his own party. He's had a large percentage of his veto's overridden. I won't vote for him again. He seems to be enriching his friends to me with some of the things he has done or asked to be done. Just my opinion. Others will surely disagree.
Link Posted: 2/21/2006 3:27:58 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Gun-fan:
Very few here really like him. He can't even get along with the legislators in his own party. He's had a large percentage of his veto's overridden. I won't vote for him again. He seems to be enriching his friends to me with some of the things he has done or asked to be done. Just my opinion. Others will surely disagree.



.................and GWB, hell any politician is not? Not arguing but how is he on spending, guns, and size of Gov in general?
Link Posted: 2/21/2006 3:43:41 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Mattl:

Originally Posted By Gun-fan:
Very few here really like him. He can't even get along with the legislators in his own party. He's had a large percentage of his veto's overridden. I won't vote for him again. He seems to be enriching his friends to me with some of the things he has done or asked to be done. Just my opinion. Others will surely disagree.



.................and GWB, hell any politician is not? Not arguing but how is he on spending, guns, and size of Gov in general?


He's fine on guns. Hell his predecessor a Dem passed the class 3 bill here. It's the south allready. He is fiscally conservative and appears to hate government. He just might be the posterboy for some. I have some contacts with inner workings experience in state gov't and he isn't all that he's cracked up to be. Maybe better than what we know to be runnung, but the jury is still out here this election.
Link Posted: 2/21/2006 4:04:52 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Gun-fan:

Originally Posted By Mattl:

Originally Posted By Gun-fan:
Very few here really like him. He can't even get along with the legislators in his own party. He's had a large percentage of his veto's overridden. I won't vote for him again. He seems to be enriching his friends to me with some of the things he has done or asked to be done. Just my opinion. Others will surely disagree.



.................and GWB, hell any politician is not? Not arguing but how is he on spending, guns, and size of Gov in general?


He's fine on guns. Hell his predecessor a Dem passed the class 3 bill here. It's the south allready. He is fiscally conservative and appears to hate government. He just might be the posterboy for some. I have some contacts with inner workings experience in state gov't and he isn't all that he's cracked up to be. Maybe better than what we know to be runnung, but the jury is still out here this election.




Were'nt the last 3-5 elections about lesser evils? I don't think a good choice for us as gunowners will surface unless Rice gets the nod.
Link Posted: 2/21/2006 4:36:35 PM EDT
Part of Sanford's problem is SC is historically run by a strong legislature and a weak governor. The legislature does not want any Governor, whether Democrat or Republican cutting into their "turf". I think he is a good guy, about as pro-gun as you can get in a politician. He has a sense of humor, he once brought a live pig into the state capitol building to publicize the "pork" in the budget being worked up by the legislators. I voted for him and will vote for him again, but I do not know he has enough charisma to take on Hillary.
Link Posted: 2/21/2006 4:53:53 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Slufstuff:
Part of Sanford's problem is SC is historically run by a strong legislature and a weak governor. The legislature does not want any Governor, whether Democrat or Republican cutting into their "turf". I think he is a good guy, about as pro-gun as you can get in a politician. He has a sense of humor, he once brought a live pig into the state capitol building to publicize the "pork" in the budget being worked up by the legislators. I voted for him and will vote for him again, but I do not know he has enough charisma to take on Hillary.


This is true.
Link Posted: 2/21/2006 6:34:05 PM EDT
He is as good a republcan politician as you will find around here. Not perfect, but the integrity, leadership, and energy he displays convinces me the potential is there for higher office. He is fiscally conservative, which constantly puts him at odds with a legislature that loves their pork projects.

I would vote for him again.
Link Posted: 2/21/2006 7:18:32 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/21/2006 7:50:01 PM EDT by clement]
From south cackalacky?
Link Posted: 2/21/2006 7:43:51 PM EDT
a blue dog.
a do nothing
good on guns
doesn't like wasting money
not really conservative enough for me

BETTER THAN SOME OTHER PEOPLE, and damn sure better then hillary
Link Posted: 2/22/2006 9:58:52 AM EDT
Probably our Current GOV will Be a Candidate.



Gov. Mike Huckabee

Hes done well here, and met with Rove this week.

Maybe we'll have something better to claim than BillAry!
Link Posted: 2/22/2006 10:01:18 AM EDT

Originally Posted By chrism101:
Probably our Current GOV will Be a Candidate.

images.ark.org/governor/current_events/photos/OBU.jpg

Gov. Mike Huckabee

Hes done well here, and met with Rove this week.

Maybe we'll have something better to claim than BillAry!



I thought it was Nixon for a second!
Link Posted: 2/22/2006 10:07:22 AM EDT
Everything I've read abou tthe guy is great...the only negative I've heard from friends in the state is that he pisses off too many people in his own party. You've got to have your core values but you also have to be willing to compromise to get into office and then be effective while your there.
Link Posted: 2/22/2006 10:14:04 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/22/2006 10:15:49 AM EDT by garandman]
Mark Sanford "gets it."

He's for small gov't...TRULY for small gov't. To the point he cares NOTHING for the standard measurements of the classical liberal "perfect" society - like how the gov't schools rank, or the income levels of welfare recipients, etc.


To expose the pork barrel spenders, he actually tucked two pigs under his arms, and walked right into the SC House of Reps. He embarassed them, and they whined like.....well, the stuck pigs they are.

Gov. Sanford is a true statesman.

I've had the pleasure of meeting and speaking with him several times. He's a humble visionary.

I can FULLY recommend him to the rest of the nation. There's no other politicians I could do so for.

In other words, he hasn't a snow balls chance in hell.



Link Posted: 2/22/2006 10:17:22 AM EDT
Realistically, Sanford will be running for a VP spot. He would be the perfect 'real' conservative to compliment some RINO like McCain
Link Posted: 2/22/2006 10:20:56 AM EDT
Mike Huckabee would be a good one also.

Link Posted: 2/22/2006 10:21:58 AM EDT

Originally Posted By sloth:
Everything I've read abou tthe guy is great...the only negative I've heard from friends in the state is that he pisses off too many people in his own party. You've got to have your core values but you also have to be willing to compromise to get into office and then be effective while your there.



I personally love the fact that he pisses off some of the members of his own party. He sticks to his guns and doesn't appear to have much interest in the "business as usual" bullshit that goes on in this state. Some of the members of our state legislature are just plain silly (on both sides of the aisle).

I voted for him, I will vote for him again.
Link Posted: 2/22/2006 10:23:19 AM EDT
FYI, Sanford is leading by a fairly large margin in all of the straw polls taken so far at county conventions.
Link Posted: 2/22/2006 10:24:38 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/22/2006 10:27:01 AM EDT by uscmba02]

Originally Posted By garandman:
Mark Sanford "gets it."

He's for small gov't...TRULY for small gov't. To the point he cares NOTHING for the standard measurements of the classical liberal "perfect" society - like how the gov't schools rank, or the income levels of welfare recipients, etc.


To expose the pork barrel spenders, he actually tucked two pigs under his arms, and walked right into the SC House of Reps. He embarassed them, and they whined like.....well, the stuck pigs they are.

Gov. Sanford is a true statesman.

I've had the pleasure of meeting and speaking with him several times. He's a humble visionary.

I can FULLY recommend him to the rest of the nation. There's no other politicians I could do so for.

In other words, he hasn't a snow balls chance in hell.







I fear you are correct.

But, I'll keep wishin'...

ETA: and a big ole' +1 on your post...
Link Posted: 2/22/2006 10:53:31 AM EDT
Sounds nice, though I haven't heard much else about him. He already sounds better then Guiliani (sp?), McCain, and the rest of the RINO squad.
Link Posted: 2/22/2006 11:12:01 AM EDT
Bump to spread info.
Link Posted: 2/22/2006 4:00:45 PM EDT

Originally Posted By garandman:
Mark Sanford "gets it."

He's for small gov't...TRULY for small gov't. To the point he cares NOTHING for the standard measurements of the classical liberal "perfect" society - like how the gov't schools rank, or the income levels of welfare recipients, etc.


To expose the pork barrel spenders, he actually tucked two pigs under his arms, and walked right into the SC House of Reps. He embarassed them, and they whined like.....well, the stuck pigs they are.

Gov. Sanford is a true statesman.

I've had the pleasure of meeting and speaking with him several times. He's a humble visionary.

I can FULLY recommend him to the rest of the nation. There's no other politicians I could do so for.

In other words, he hasn't a snow balls chance in hell.



Well said, G-man.
Link Posted: 2/22/2006 4:23:44 PM EDT
He is one of the good guys out there.

Link Posted: 2/22/2006 4:32:08 PM EDT
Let's see, southern Governers...

Carter.... stank

Clinton.... stank

Bush... okay, but what is the deal with the borders and ports?

Dang-it, dig up Strom Thurmond and run him. A little makup, some air freshener, he'd do just fine.
Link Posted: 2/22/2006 4:34:15 PM EDT
Dino Rossi

Link Posted: 2/23/2006 4:35:12 AM EDT

Originally Posted By home_with_kids:
Let's see, southern Governers...

Carter.... stank

Clinton.... stank

Bush... okay, but what is the deal with the borders and ports?

.



You gotta remember - we STILL consider the south a sovereign country, separate from the "Union.".

At least we got rid of those losers.



Link Posted: 2/23/2006 4:41:20 AM EDT
He's been a good governor. I especially liked the Pig stunt he pulled. That will never be forgotten down here.

I also like when he refuses to sign the state budget b/c the legislature is overspending.

The only shortcoming I think he has is in the healthcare area, but otherwise he's a good guy. However, you know when these guys get power in Washington usually, they get corrupted. He didn't do that last time, but ya never know.
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