Im sure everyone here has heard of the replicas being sold at the shot show and trijicon making them stop, well I just had an ebay listing stopped. Cant say I blame them for copy rights infrigment on the manufactures but I was selling it as a personaly owned item. They have no business there, of course I did say the other curse word, ebay.
I guess if I want to sell my 327 Shellby cobra replica I could get sued by ford and shellby. LOL

Im going to duck for cover now as tijicon is a sponsor here! Call me when its all clear!

still not as bad as the record companies

Trademarks, patents and copyrights.
Defend them aggressively or lose them.

And the RIAA is right.  Downloading stuff you didn't buy is theft.
Imagine how you'd feel if somebody stopped by your desk and stole your work.

I have no problem with people defending their copyrights and patents but when they go after some 14? year old kid it gets pretty ridiculous.

Trademarks, patents and copyrights. Defend them aggressively or lose them. And the RIAA is right. Downloading stuff you didn't buy is theft. Imagine how you'd feel if somebody stopped by your desk and stole your work.

A big fat +1  

Quoted: I have no problem with people defending their copyrights and patents but when they go after some 14? year old kid it gets pretty ridiculous.

why should age matter when theft is involved, if a 14yo stole my truck I would want the samething to happen to him as a 30yo

Quoted: Quoted: I have no problem with people defending their copyrights and patents but when they go after some 14? year old kid it gets pretty ridiculous. why should age matter when theft is involved, if a 14yo stole my truck I would want the samething to happen to him as a 30yo

We are talking patents and copyrights not trucks.
Somehow I think a kid downloading a song on the internet is different than stealing a truck.

[liberalcommie] But it's not stealing when it's free on the internet [/liberalcommie]

Quoted: [liberalcommie] But it's not stealing when it's free on the internet [/liberalcommie]

Never said it's not stealing but sending lawyers after a kid is kind of ridiculous since they probably don't know any better.
I'm sure you wouldn't be happy when the police serve you a warrant for copying that CD for your mom.

Assuming it can fit on a flattop rail, eBay probably pulled the auction because the sight is an "asault weapon part".    I wouldn't use eBay, personally.

Quoted: still not as bad as the record companies

So that makes it alright ?

Quoted: Quoted: [liberalcommie] But it's not stealing when it's free on the internet [/liberalcommie] Never said it's not stealing but sending lawyers after a kid is kind of ridiculous since they probably don't know any better. I'm sure you wouldn't be happy when the police serve you a warrant for copying that CD for your mom.

Kids copying stuff off of the internet are the same kids that should be buying that music.
RIAA is going for the kids because those individuals are the ones making the biggest dent.
They can't get every person, but they make examples when they can.

It's no different than setting up shop and cranking out copies of DVDs and CDs.

Quoted: Quoted: still not as bad as the record companies So that makes it alright ?

Nope, I never said it was alright
Just in comparison to the record company tactics.
I'm more surprised Egay let the guy post it.

Quoted: Im sure everyone here has heard of the replicas being sold at the shot show and trijicon making them stop, well I just had an ebay listing stopped. Cant say I blame them for copy rights infrigment on the manufactures but I was selling it as a personaly owned item. They have no business there, of course I did say the other curse word, ebay. I guess if I want to sell my 327 Shellby cobra replica I could get sued by ford and shellby. LOL Im going to duck for cover now as tijicon is a sponsor here! Call me when its all clear!

So, list it on the EE.

ETA: Details? How much? Got a link? What's the brand? Model?

Quoted: [liberalcommie] But it's not stealing when it's free on the internet [/liberalcommie]

Yea, the stuff is sent free on the airwaves and through streaming audio and all.  Why bother recording it?  

Quoted: Im sure everyone here has heard of the replicas being sold at the shot show and trijicon making them stop, well I just had an ebay listing stopped. Cant say I blame them for copy rights infrigment on the manufactures but I was selling it as a personaly owned item. They have no business there, of course I did say the other curse word, ebay. I guess if I want to sell my 327 Shellby cobra replica I could get sued by ford and shellby. LOL Im going to duck for cover now as tijicon is a sponsor here! Call me when its all clear!

Nope, Ford would not come after you and I have no idea who the hell "shellby" is.
1) Yours apparently has a Chevy engine (327)
2)  They never had anything to do with anyone named Shellby
3)  Their Cobras used an uppercase "C" as the first letter

Quoted: i am still trying to figure out how there is a copyright infingement on those scopes. they do not use ANY tech designed by trijicon. and they only remotely resemble an acog. considering they are being marketed to a consumer base that can't or won't pay trij's price, i don't really see the benefit.

Reasonable facsimile?
It looks like a Trijicon ACOG.
People could be confused because it's a "reasonable facsimile", which degrades Trijicon's brand.

If we could get some competition in the ACOG market prices will go down and better products will apear.

Its called the free market. If the patent has expired, then it shouldnt be illegal for competing companies to make exact replicas.

If Trijicon were not over priced I would buy their products, in  the meantime I'll  continue to use the replica, to me it's just as good and $900 cheaper.

do you have  a picture of the scope in question?

Quoted: ...in  the meantime I'll  continue to use the replica, to me it's just ass...

Agreed.

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: i am still trying to figure out how there is a copyright infingement on those scopes. they do not use ANY tech designed by trijicon. and they only remotely resemble an acog. considering they are being marketed to a consumer base that can't or won't pay trij's price, i don't really see the benefit. Reasonable facsimile? It looks like a Trijicon ACOG. People could be confused because it's a "reasonable facsimile", which degrades Trijicon's brand. the only thing remotely similar is they both have round lens. i guess leupold should sue nikon as well.

The archives indicate the lawsuit was over a "patent violation" and the NcSTAR product was a "virtual duplicate" of the ACOG.

Quoted: If Trijicon were not over priced I would buy their products, in  the meantime I'll  continue to use the replica, to me it's just as good and $900 cheaper.

Just as good?
Really?  

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: [liberalcommie] But it's not stealing when it's free on the internet [/liberalcommie] Never said it's not stealing but sending lawyers after a kid is kind of ridiculous since they probably don't know any better. I'm sure you wouldn't be happy when the police serve you a warrant for copying that CD for your mom. Kids copying stuff off of the internet are the same kids that should be buying that music. RIAA is going for the kids because those individuals are the ones making the biggest dent. They can't get every person, but they make examples when they can. It's no different than setting up shop and cranking out copies of DVDs and CDs.

But the RIAA/Record companies are not going after 14 yr olds that can't pay.  They are going after parents, or worse, grandma.  The kid goes to Granny's house for a week in the summer, downloads 4 Korn albums, but Granny gets sued.

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: [liberalcommie] But it's not stealing when it's free on the internet [/liberalcommie] Never said it's not stealing but sending lawyers after a kid is kind of ridiculous since they probably don't know any better. I'm sure you wouldn't be happy when the police serve you a warrant for copying that CD for your mom. Kids copying stuff off of the internet are the same kids that should be buying that music. RIAA is going for the kids because those individuals are the ones making the biggest dent. They can't get every person, but they make examples when they can. It's no different than setting up shop and cranking out copies of DVDs and CDs. But the RIAA/Record companies are not going after 14 yr olds that can't pay.  They are going after parents, or worse, grandma.  The kid goes to Granny's house for a week in the summer, downloads 4 Korn albums, but Granny gets sued.

You must have missed that news article from a few years ago when they were sueing the kid.
ETA: Here we go, RIAA sues 12 year old

First Off:
1) Trademark = Coca Cola, Intel name & Logo, etc...
2) Patents = The design of your super duper bullet, the process you invented to synthesize a new drug, etc..
3) Copyright = The song your wrote, the book you wrote, the photo you took (which does not include the title)

This is not a copyright issue but a patent and possibly a trademark issue.

Quoted: Trademarks, patents and copyrights. Defend them aggressively or lose them. And the RIAA is right.  Downloading stuff you didn't buy is theft. Imagine how you'd feel if somebody stopped by your desk and stole your work.

You do NOT need to defend copyrights, they are protected absolutely.

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: [liberalcommie] But it's not stealing when it's free on the internet [/liberalcommie] Never said it's not stealing but sending lawyers after a kid is kind of ridiculous since they probably don't know any better. I'm sure you wouldn't be happy when the police serve you a warrant for copying that CD for your mom. Kids copying stuff off of the internet are the same kids that should be buying that music. RIAA is going for the kids because those individuals are the ones making the biggest dent. They can't get every person, but they make examples when they can. It's no different than setting up shop and cranking out copies of DVDs and CDs. But the RIAA/Record companies are not going after 14 yr olds that can't pay.  They are going after parents, or worse, grandma.  The kid goes to Granny's house for a week in the summer, downloads 4 Korn albums, but Granny gets sued. You must have missed that news article from a few years ago when they were sueing the kid. ETA: Here we go, RIAA sues 12 year old

Hell they've gone after dead people.

ETA:

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: [liberalcommie] But it's not stealing when it's free on the internet [/liberalcommie] Never said it's not stealing but sending lawyers after a kid is kind of ridiculous since they probably don't know any better. I'm sure you wouldn't be happy when the police serve you a warrant for copying that CD for your mom. Kids copying stuff off of the internet are the same kids that should be buying that music. RIAA is going for the kids because those individuals are the ones making the biggest dent. They can't get every person, but they make examples when they can. It's no different than setting up shop and cranking out copies of DVDs and CDs. But the RIAA/Record companies are not going after 14 yr olds that can't pay.  They are going after parents, or worse, grandma.  The kid goes to Granny's house for a week in the summer, downloads 4 Korn albums, but Granny gets sued. You must have missed that news article from a few years ago when they were sueing the kid. ETA: Here we go, RIAA sues 12 year old Hell they've gone after dead people.

yep

Quoted: I have no problem with people defending their copyrights and patents but when they go after some 14? year old kid it gets pretty ridiculous.

In some parts, they'll chop off your hand. Lot of 14 year olds nicknamed "Stumpy." Consider yourself fortunate to live where you can whine, "I'm just a kid!"

Quoted: Quoted: I have no problem with people defending their copyrights and patents but when they go after some 14? year old kid it gets pretty ridiculous. In some parts, they'll chop off your hand. Lot of 14 year olds nicknamed "Stumpy." Consider yourself fortunate to live where you can whine, "I'm just a kid!"

I was off12 year olds

Quoted: Quoted: I have no problem with people defending their copyrights and patents but when they go after some 14? year old kid it gets pretty ridiculous. In some parts, they'll chop off your hand. Lot of 14 year olds nicknamed "Stumpy." Consider yourself fortunate to live where you can whine, "I'm just a kid!"

No matter what the issue, somebody has it worse somewhere in the world.  Does that means you should accept anything you see as being unfair?   Imminent domain take over your home?  Shut up an be thankful you weren't in Zimbabwe and killed in the process!  AWB coming again?  Quit "whining" and just accept it, at least you can have firearms unlike some countries

Did they just realize this?  They've been around for a long time.

Quoted: First Off: 1) Trademark = Coca Cola, Intel name & Logo, etc... 2) Patents = The design of your super duper bullet, the process you invented to synthesize a new drug, etc.. 3) Copyright = The song your wrote, the book you wrote, the photo you took (which does not include the title) This is not a copyright issue but a patent and possibly a trademark issue. Quoted: Trademarks, patents and copyrights. Defend them aggressively or lose them. And the RIAA is right.  Downloading stuff you didn't buy is theft. Imagine how you'd feel if somebody stopped by your desk and stole your work. You do NOT need to defend copyrights, they are protected absolutely.

I know the difference.  

And copyrights are not "absolute".  There are still considerable disagreements and court challenges as to what constitutes "fair use".

For example, both RIAA and MPAA have recently begun to challenge "ripping" and "personal backups" as a violation of that concept.

Carrol Shellby, is the one who designed the cobra. And yes its a 327 chevy as I prefer chevys but like the look of the original cobra, But im not here for that, so Peace. h.gif

I can say one thing, Im behind Trijicon on the copyright issue but having had both there is enough of a difference that im not sure why they worry about it. If you are going into combat, sure Id want the real thing. If you are now a weekend(ok sometimes weekday) warrior like me, the replicas are great. I can have three of them for under the price for the real thing. My main compaint is that this was a personal Item, one I purchased legaly. I was not selling it as part of my store inventory but as an individual.
Oh well, I hope some solution is reached between whoever so the civilian market can have a choice and not just take what we are fed.

Ebays email stated they were contacted by trijicon and ordered to pull it due to Copyrights over the use to the AGOG even though it was titled ACOG replica.

Trijicon should just shut up. Just like Colt should have. Or do we have a double standard here?

Quoted: Carrol Shellby Shelby, is the one who designed the cobra. And yes its a 327 chevy as I prefer chevys but like the look of the original cobra, But im not here for that, so Peace. I can say one thing, Im behind Trijicon on the copyright issue but having had both there is enough of a difference that im not sure why they worry about it. If you are going into combat, sure Id want the real thing. If you are now a weekend(ok sometimes weekday) warrior like me, the replicas are great. I can have three of them for under the price for the real thing. My main compaint is that this was a personal Item, one I purchased legaly. I was not selling it as part of my store inventory but as an individual. Oh well, I hope some solution is reached between whoever so the civilian market can have a choice and not just take what we are fed. Ebays email stated they were contacted by trijicon and ordered to pull it due to Copyrights over the use to the AGOG even though it was titled ACOG replica.

Fixed it so he'll know who you're talking about!

Fixed it so he'll know who you're talking about!

Thanks, Fingers get alittle carried away sometimes!

Im sure everyone here has heard of the replicas being sold at the shot show and trijicon

huh?

Quoted: Carrol Shellby, is the one who designed the cobra. And yes its a 327 chevy as I prefer chevys but like the look of the original cobra, But im not here for that, so Peace. I can say one thing, Im behind Trijicon on the copyright issue but having had both there is enough of a difference that im not sure why they worry about it. If you are going into combat, sure Id want the real thing. If you are now a weekend(ok sometimes weekday) warrior like me, the replicas are great. I can have three of them for under the price for the real thing. My main compaint is that this was a personal Item, one I purchased legaly. I was not selling it as part of my store inventory but as an individual. Oh well, I hope some solution is reached between whoever so the civilian market can have a choice and not just take what we are fed. Ebays email stated they were contacted by trijicon and ordered to pull it due to Copyrights over the use to the AGOG even though it was titled ACOG replica.

Chevy engine in a Cobra???????????????????  That's blasphemous I tell you, blasphemous.

Ford may come after for doing that!!

Now, back to the subject at hand, I just wish I had heard about those scopes before Trijicon pitched a fit, damnit.

Oh, shouldn't Trijicon be after all those sellers of Trijicon scopes on ebay.  It IS taking away business from them.

FORD 427 Side Oiler!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Anybody have pics for comparison? I'm curious as to how similar these things look to one and other.

Quoted: Quoted: Im sure everyone here has heard of the replicas being sold at the shot show and trijicon making them stop, well I just had an ebay listing stopped. Cant say I blame them for copy rights infrigment on the manufactures but I was selling it as a personaly owned item. They have no business there, of course I did say the other curse word, ebay. I guess if I want to sell my 327 Shellby cobra replica I could get sued by ford and shellby. LOL Im going to duck for cover now as tijicon is a sponsor here! Call me when its all clear! Nope, Ford would not come after you and I have no idea who the hell "shellby" is. 1) Yours apparently has a Chevy engine (327) 2)  They never had anything to do with anyone named Shellby 3)  Their Cobras used an uppercase "C" as the first letter

If you don't even know who/what Shelby is, you have no business replying to that post, must less babbling off 'facts'

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Im sure everyone here has heard of the replicas being sold at the shot show and trijicon making them stop, well I just had an ebay listing stopped. Cant say I blame them for copy rights infrigment on the manufactures but I was selling it as a personaly owned item. They have no business there, of course I did say the other curse word, ebay. I guess if I want to sell my 327 Shellby cobra replica I could get sued by ford and shellby. LOL Im going to duck for cover now as tijicon is a sponsor here! Call me when its all clear! Nope, Ford would not come after you and I have no idea who the hell "shellby" is. 1) Yours apparently has a Chevy engine (327) 2)  They never had anything to do with anyone named Shellby 3)  Their Cobras used an uppercase "C" as the first letter Larry, I know you know who Carroll Shelby is...  Don't toy with him.

I know who Carrol Shelby is, I just didn't know who this Shellby person was.

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Im sure everyone here has heard of the replicas being sold at the shot show and trijicon making them stop, well I just had an ebay listing stopped. Cant say I blame them for copy rights infrigment on the manufactures but I was selling it as a personaly owned item. They have no business there, of course I did say the other curse word, ebay. I guess if I want to sell my 327 Shellby cobra replica I could get sued by ford and shellby. LOL Im going to duck for cover now as tijicon is a sponsor here! Call me when its all clear! Nope, Ford would not come after you and I have no idea who the hell "shellby" is. 1) Yours apparently has a Chevy engine (327) 2)  They never had anything to do with anyone named Shellby 3)  Their Cobras used an uppercase "C" as the first letter If you don't even know who/what Shelby is, you have no business replying to that post, must less babbling off 'facts'

You guys need to pay more attention.  I know who Carroll Shelby is.  I have met the man several times at Sebring.  I know all about the cars he produced.  I just wanted to know who this Shellby person is.

If you look a few posts before yours, someone else already caught it and knew what I meant.  The original poster even acknowledged it.

If you didn't read all the posts and pay more attention, you have no business replying to that post and babbling off nonsense.

Sheesh, try reading all the posts.

Quoted: FORD 427 Side Oiler!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That's what I'M talkin' bout.

Quoted: Quoted: First Off: 1) Trademark = Coca Cola, Intel name & Logo, etc... 2) Patents = The design of your super duper bullet, the process you invented to synthesize a new drug, etc.. 3) Copyright = The song your wrote, the book you wrote, the photo you took (which does not include the title) This is not a copyright issue but a patent and possibly a trademark issue. Quoted: Trademarks, patents and copyrights. Defend them aggressively or lose them. And the RIAA is right.  Downloading stuff you didn't buy is theft. Imagine how you'd feel if somebody stopped by your desk and stole your work. You do NOT need to defend copyrights, they are protected absolutely. I know the difference.

Notice I outlined the differences before I quoted you?  

And copyrights are not "absolute".  There are still considerable disagreements and court challenges as to what constitutes "fair use". For example, both RIAA and MPAA have recently begun to challenge "ripping" and "personal backups" as a violation of that concept.

 Not sure if you realize this but you've just proved my point.  Follow along...  Trademarks need to be defended because if I trademarked the name "Googles" 20 years ago, I'll have limited rights if any if I wait till 2006 to sue Google.  The court is going to ask why didn't I raise an issue earlier?  Why is it only a problem now that they have deep pockets?   Why did I wait until after Google has spent millions of its own dollars to greatly increased the intrinsic value of the "Google" brand name?  What rights do I have when people associate the word Google with the search engine company more than with my company?  

Copyrights however are protected absolutely.  When I say absolutely, that doesn't mean anything ever written cannot be duplicated, all communication would cease if that were the case.  NSS.  What it means is unlike with Trademarks, if doesn't matter to what extent my copyrights have been infringed upon or how long I've waited to sue, I still have the same rights:

10 Big Copyright Myths

5)"If you don't defend your copyright you lose it." -- "Somebody has that name copyrighted!"
False. Copyright is effectively never lost these days, unless explicitly given away. You also can't "copyright a name" or anything short like that, such as almost all titles. You may be thinking of trademarks, which apply to names, and can be weakened or lost if not defended.

"Fair Use" has nothing to do with this.  If the courts find your use was not "fair use" and you violated some else's copyrights, they can sue you today just the same as 10 years ago.  Your "ripping" and file sharing of MP3s is the perfect example.  Millions of people have been doing it for years, yet the the RIAA is still able to go after Joe Schmoe and sue him for $10,000 for sharing MP3 songs.

Patents also don't need to be defended to maintain rights.  Look at what is happening to RIM and NTP.  The courts have ruled that RIM violated NTP's patents and now they may have to shut down their networks.  The the fact RIM has been in operation for years and a shutdown will have a massive detrimental effect to not only their business but the business of millions of people who use Blackberries has no bearing on NTP's rights.

So contrary to your understanding of things, Trijicon does not need to go after clone makers to protect their patents, and the RIAA does not need to go after file sharers to protect copyrights, they may do it to protect sales and discourage others, but not to protect their IP.  Personally, I don't see anything wrong with what they're trying to do, but their tactics are out of line.

It's a sad day when people start putting airsoft toys on real firearms.