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Posted: 2/19/2006 6:33:53 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/6/2006 6:25:28 AM EDT by HK_Shooter_03]
I got done with this today:








Tomorrow, I'll be doing .308...


Link Posted: 2/19/2006 6:53:35 PM EDT

Originally Posted By HK_Shooter_03:
(The marks from the seating die will come off in the tumbler)



You tumble complete cartridges?

Link Posted: 2/19/2006 6:57:06 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Throttle-Junkie:

Originally Posted By HK_Shooter_03:
(The marks from the seating die will come off in the tumbler)



You tumble complete cartridges?




+1000, thats just stupid.

Bill3508
Link Posted: 2/19/2006 6:58:42 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/19/2006 7:01:40 PM EDT by HK_Shooter_03]

Originally Posted By bill3508:

Originally Posted By Throttle-Junkie:

Originally Posted By HK_Shooter_03:
(The marks from the seating die will come off in the tumbler)



You tumble complete cartridges?




+1000, thats just stupid.

Bill3508





I'm not even going to waste my breath trying to defend myself...






ETA:

I'd like to see you wipe the lube off of 1000 rounds of ammunition...

Have fun doing that!

Link Posted: 2/19/2006 7:00:25 PM EDT
Looks good! Tumble away!
Link Posted: 2/19/2006 7:00:36 PM EDT

Originally Posted By bill3508:

Originally Posted By Throttle-Junkie:

Originally Posted By HK_Shooter_03:
(The marks from the seating die will come off in the tumbler)



You tumble complete cartridges?




+1000, thats just stupid.

Bill3508



Factory ammo is tumbled while complete. Not stupid at all. ;)
Link Posted: 2/19/2006 7:08:39 PM EDT
I gotta get me a reloader.
Link Posted: 2/19/2006 7:10:44 PM EDT

Originally Posted By bill3508:

Originally Posted By Throttle-Junkie:

Originally Posted By HK_Shooter_03:
(The marks from the seating die will come off in the tumbler)



You tumble complete cartridges?




+1000, thats just stupid.

Bill3508



Been doing it 20+ years, not ever a problem, stupid not to.
Link Posted: 2/19/2006 7:10:44 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/19/2006 7:11:36 PM EDT by BigBang]

Originally Posted By bill3508:

Originally Posted By Throttle-Junkie:

Originally Posted By HK_Shooter_03:
(The marks from the seating die will come off in the tumbler)



You tumble complete cartridges?




+1000, thats just stupid.

Bill3508



It's like deja vu, exact same shit last time you posted a reloading thread HK.
Link Posted: 2/19/2006 7:14:59 PM EDT

Originally Posted By bill3508:

Originally Posted By Throttle-Junkie:

Originally Posted By HK_Shooter_03:
(The marks from the seating die will come off in the tumbler)



You tumble complete cartridges?




+1000, thats just stupid.

Bill3508



What is stupid is not know that there is nothing wrong with tumbling loaded ammo.
Link Posted: 2/19/2006 7:20:50 PM EDT
Link Posted: 2/19/2006 7:22:49 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Ponyboy:
I've heard that if you tumble loaded ammo there is the possibility of the tip of one round hitting the primer of another and blowing up your tumbler.



BFD.

An asteroid could hit us at any moment too!
Link Posted: 2/19/2006 7:27:17 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/19/2006 7:30:14 PM EDT by GerberSchwintz]
Beautiful! There is something appealing about cranking out a bunch of ammo and being able to admire it. It's almost a shame to shoot it!

ETA: Everything I've read says tumbling loaded ammunition is not a problem and I have done it before.
Link Posted: 2/19/2006 7:29:26 PM EDT
How many rounds and how long did it take? I know nothing about reloading.
Link Posted: 2/19/2006 7:29:48 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Ponyboy:
I've heard that if you tumble loaded ammo there is the possibility of the tip of one round hitting the primer of another and blowing up your tumbler.



If your using that sensitive of primers, you better handle those rounds very carefully and God help you if you drop them.
Link Posted: 2/19/2006 7:35:25 PM EDT
That's one blue box of evil you got there.
Link Posted: 2/19/2006 7:37:59 PM EDT

Originally Posted By bill3508:

Originally Posted By Throttle-Junkie:

Originally Posted By HK_Shooter_03:
(The marks from the seating die will come off in the tumbler)



You tumble complete cartridges?




+1000, thats just stupid.

Bill3508



You guys have no clue what you are talking about.
Link Posted: 2/19/2006 7:41:09 PM EDT

Originally Posted By HK_Shooter_03:
I got done with this today:

img461.imageshack.us/img461/9752/dscf12355nm.jpg





Hey - what seater die are you using? Those are mild dents - I used to get those in Vmax's too. Just curious what you are using.





Link Posted: 2/19/2006 7:41:36 PM EDT
I might be wrong, but it looks like there is a primer not fully seated on the bottom of the third pic.

SRM
Link Posted: 2/19/2006 7:45:24 PM EDT

Originally Posted By FALARAK:

Originally Posted By HK_Shooter_03:
I got done with this today:

img461.imageshack.us/img461/9752/dscf12355nm.jpg





Hey - what seater die are you using? Those are mild dents - I used to get those in Vmax's too. Just curious what you are using.

chrysler.websitewelcome.com/~user1010/pics/guns/ammo/ammoporn.jpg

chrysler.websitewelcome.com/~user1010/pics/guns/ammo/ammoporn3.jpg




Cool pics.



40 more days
Link Posted: 2/19/2006 7:59:55 PM EDT

Originally Posted By FALARAK:
Originally Posted By HK_Shooter_03:

Hey - what seater die are you using? Those are mild dents - I used to get those in Vmax's too. Just curious what you are using.




I get the same mark reloading the V-Max's and I'm using RCBS carbide dies with the Redding Competition seat. Bullets are clean up to and including bullet seat, but the crimp is where it's getting marked.
Link Posted: 2/19/2006 8:02:41 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/19/2006 8:10:15 PM EDT by HK_Shooter_03]

Originally Posted By SRM:
I might be wrong, but it looks like there is a primer not fully seated on the bottom of the third pic.

SRM




To me, it looks like the light is hitting it at just the right angle...


You could be right because I have not chamber checked and inspected the lot...

I'm doing that tomorrow...


ETA: I'm rehosting pictures now...
Link Posted: 2/19/2006 8:19:24 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Ponyboy:
I've heard that if you tumble loaded ammo there is the possibility of the tip of one round hitting the primer of another and blowing up your tumbler.




I'm not kidding when I say this...

One day I used my LULA to unload a magazine into an ammo can like the one seen in the pictures and a shooter at an IPSC match said the same thing!

He scared everyone at the table...



Link Posted: 2/19/2006 8:21:30 PM EDT

Originally Posted By HK_Shooter_03:

Originally Posted By SRM:
I might be wrong, but it looks like there is a primer not fully seated on the bottom of the third pic.

SRM




To me, it looks like the light is hitting it at just the right angle...


You could be right because I have not chamber checked and inspected the lot...

I'm doing that tomorrow...


ETA: I'm rehosting pictures now...



Could be, just wanted to alert you.

I always stand rounds up on the table. If it wobbles, it is rejected. (pretty rare occurance, knock on wood)

SRM
Link Posted: 2/19/2006 8:27:38 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/19/2006 8:28:42 PM EDT by blacklisted]

Originally Posted By HK_Shooter_03:

Originally Posted By Ponyboy:
I've heard that if you tumble loaded ammo there is the possibility of the tip of one round hitting the primer of another and blowing up your tumbler.




I'm not kidding when I say this...

One day I used my LULA to unload a magazine into an ammo can like the one seen in the pictures and a shooter at an IPSC match said the same thing!

He scared everyone at the table...






It's weird...some people act like loaded ammo (even rimfire) is a live pipe bomb.

My uncle has a coffee can full of .223 in the bottom of the safe, and a 7.62X39 fell on it from the shelf about 6 inches above it and he started freaking out saying that it could hit the primer and set the whole thing off.

If he sees loose ammo he never hesitates to tell me "be careful, this is sensitive".

I just say "I know" and nod my head.
Link Posted: 2/19/2006 8:50:25 PM EDT
I have no trouble with tumbling loaded ammo, however.... the trouble is not a primer going off, it the powder changing consistancy inside the case and burning different then intended, ie; faster.

What happens to the sharp edges of a rock while in a tumbler? They get polished off and rounded. The material that is removed turns to dust. This is why there are certain reloads I would NEVER tumble. My 30-06 reloads. I use 4064 and 4350, which is a cylindrical powder and much more likley to change form after being tumbled.

to a fellow reloader!!!
CH

Link Posted: 2/19/2006 8:51:59 PM EDT

Originally Posted By blacklisted:

Originally Posted By HK_Shooter_03:

Originally Posted By Ponyboy:
I've heard that if you tumble loaded ammo there is the possibility of the tip of one round hitting the primer of another and blowing up your tumbler.




I'm not kidding when I say this...

One day I used my LULA to unload a magazine into an ammo can like the one seen in the pictures and a shooter at an IPSC match said the same thing!

He scared everyone at the table...






It's weird...some people act like loaded ammo (even rimfire) is a live pipe bomb.

My uncle has a coffee can full of .223 in the bottom of the safe, and a 7.62X39 fell on it from the shelf about 6 inches above it and he started freaking out saying that it could hit the primer and set the whole thing off.

If he sees loose ammo he never hesitates to tell me "be careful, this is sensitive".

I just say "I know" and nod my head.



You never stuffed a 22 ctg in the end of a straw and tossed them off a cliff or bridge?


To be young and dumb again!!
Link Posted: 2/19/2006 9:11:35 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Cape_hunter:

Originally Posted By blacklisted:

Originally Posted By HK_Shooter_03:

Originally Posted By Ponyboy:
I've heard that if you tumble loaded ammo there is the possibility of the tip of one round hitting the primer of another and blowing up your tumbler.




I'm not kidding when I say this...

One day I used my LULA to unload a magazine into an ammo can like the one seen in the pictures and a shooter at an IPSC match said the same thing!

He scared everyone at the table...






It's weird...some people act like loaded ammo (even rimfire) is a live pipe bomb.

My uncle has a coffee can full of .223 in the bottom of the safe, and a 7.62X39 fell on it from the shelf about 6 inches above it and he started freaking out saying that it could hit the primer and set the whole thing off.

If he sees loose ammo he never hesitates to tell me "be careful, this is sensitive".

I just say "I know" and nod my head.



You never stuffed a 22 ctg in the end of a straw and tossed them off a cliff or bridge?


To be young and dumb again!!



Thanks for the idea.

/younganddumb

Link Posted: 2/19/2006 9:16:24 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Cape_hunter:
I have no trouble with tumbling loaded ammo, however.... the trouble is not a primer going off, it the powder changing consistancy inside the case and burning different then intended, ie; faster.

What happens to the sharp edges of a rock while in a tumbler? They get polished off and rounded. The material that is removed turns to dust. This is why there are certain reloads I would NEVER tumble. My 30-06 reloads. I use 4064 and 4350, which is a cylindrical powder and much more likley to change form after being tumbled.

to a fellow reloader!!!
CH




Please do a little research, and not repost old wives tales and mytholigy.
Link Posted: 2/19/2006 9:52:53 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/19/2006 9:56:27 PM EDT by Cape_hunter]

Originally Posted By FALARAK:
Please do a little research, and not repost old wives tales and mytholigy.




No need.
Link Posted: 2/19/2006 9:57:45 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Cape_hunter:

Originally Posted By blacklisted:

Originally Posted By HK_Shooter_03:

Originally Posted By Ponyboy:
I've heard that if you tumble loaded ammo there is the possibility of the tip of one round hitting the primer of another and blowing up your tumbler.




I'm not kidding when I say this...

One day I used my LULA to unload a magazine into an ammo can like the one seen in the pictures and a shooter at an IPSC match said the same thing!

He scared everyone at the table...






It's weird...some people act like loaded ammo (even rimfire) is a live pipe bomb.

My uncle has a coffee can full of .223 in the bottom of the safe, and a 7.62X39 fell on it from the shelf about 6 inches above it and he started freaking out saying that it could hit the primer and set the whole thing off.

If he sees loose ammo he never hesitates to tell me "be careful, this is sensitive".

I just say "I know" and nod my head.



You never stuffed a 22 ctg in the end of a straw and tossed them off a cliff or bridge?


To be young and dumb again!!



We were plinking once up in the Angeles Nat'l Forest back when they didn't get all het up about it. Found a 22 in my pocket when we stopped at the turnout with a kybo. Tossed the cartridge over into the ravine and bang. Surprised us.

That said I tumble my reloads in walnut shell and paint thinner to get the lube off. Load for cowboy shooting and those big lead bullets used to get a lot of lube around. Only have to do it for a few minutes.

Time out I use a vibrating cleaner, not a big tumbler. You could probably dent more cases in a big rotating tumbler than have anything else go wrong.

Doesn't take too long to get used to checking your primer height with your thumb when taking out of a single pumper or when putting them in a case. Find missing or reversed ones then too, not just high ones.
Link Posted: 2/19/2006 10:10:06 PM EDT
So is seating the actuall .223 bullet into the casing hard. My reloading experiance is only limited to going over to a friends house reloading .45's, but it would seem more difficult with 223. So in short, is .223 difficult to reload? More time consuming? More tedious?

I know i cant spell so please dont point it out to me.
Link Posted: 2/19/2006 10:20:16 PM EDT
Very nice. I've got to get into reloading....
Link Posted: 2/19/2006 10:24:37 PM EDT

Originally Posted By 2A373:

Originally Posted By FALARAK:

Originally Posted By HK_Shooter_03:
I got done with this today:

img461.imageshack.us/img461/9752/dscf12355nm.jpg





Hey - what seater die are you using? Those are mild dents - I used to get those in Vmax's too. Just curious what you are using.

chrysler.websitewelcome.com/~user1010/pics/guns/ammo/ammoporn.jpg

chrysler.websitewelcome.com/~user1010/pics/guns/ammo/ammoporn3.jpg




Cool pics.



40 more days



+1


That brings a tear to my eye...

My inner child is crying to get back to the loading bench
Link Posted: 2/19/2006 10:26:33 PM EDT
I did have an ammo can of .45 ACP fall off a table, hit the ground, and a round popped.

It was sealed shut at the time, and nothing was any worse for wear.
Link Posted: 2/19/2006 10:28:35 PM EDT

Originally Posted By leelaw:
Very nice. I've got to get into reloading....



Yes... Yes you do...

You need to order a Dillon 550B right away!


Oh...and there is no problem with tumbling loaded ammo...


Link Posted: 2/19/2006 10:30:00 PM EDT
This thread starts at a most opportune time! I just recieved my reloading dies, shellholder/plates, brass, and bullets for my Brand Spanking New 416 Remington mag!

I can't wait to see what those flat nosed Barnes banded 350 grain solids and triple shocks do to a squirrel at close to 2700 ft/sec muzzle velocity!

Oh yea. Happiness is a few thousand rounds of your favorite loads.
Link Posted: 2/19/2006 10:39:39 PM EDT
I loaded 130 rds of 12Guage 00B today.

Nothing beats stacking your own buchshot!
Link Posted: 2/19/2006 10:50:44 PM EDT
Semi off topic question....How much do you actually save reloading .223, not counting the equipment? I would like to do this if it yields significant monetary savings.
Link Posted: 2/19/2006 10:58:00 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/19/2006 10:59:23 PM EDT by 2A373]

Originally Posted By pv74:

Originally Posted By 2A373:

Originally Posted By FALARAK:

Originally Posted By HK_Shooter_03:
I got done with this today:

img461.imageshack.us/img461/9752/dscf12355nm.jpg





Hey - what seater die are you using? Those are mild dents - I used to get those in Vmax's too. Just curious what you are using.

chrysler.websitewelcome.com/~user1010/pics/guns/ammo/ammoporn.jpg

chrysler.websitewelcome.com/~user1010/pics/guns/ammo/ammoporn3.jpg




Cool pics.



40 more days



+1


That brings a tear to my eye...

My inner child is crying to get back to the loading bench




I cannot wait to get back to reloading too. But there is something else that I look foward to more.
Link Posted: 2/19/2006 10:59:24 PM EDT
I need to get some more money together to blow on components... It's been a while since I've done any reloading
Link Posted: 2/19/2006 11:02:10 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Brians_45:
Semi off topic question....How much do you actually save reloading .223, not counting the equipment? I would like to do this if it yields significant monetary savings.



You can safe a lot if you are loading match or hunting rounds, if it's just FMJ blasting ammo there is really no savings.

Link Posted: 2/19/2006 11:06:45 PM EDT

Originally Posted By 2A373:

Originally Posted By Brians_45:
Semi off topic question....How much do you actually save reloading .223, not counting the equipment? I would like to do this if it yields significant monetary savings.



You can safe a lot if you are loading match or hunting rounds, if it's just FMJ blasting ammo there is really no savings.



Thanks for the info. Off to the reloading forum I go.
Link Posted: 2/19/2006 11:22:29 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Brians_45:

Originally Posted By 2A373:

Originally Posted By Brians_45:
Semi off topic question....How much do you actually save reloading .223, not counting the equipment? I would like to do this if it yields significant monetary savings.



You can safe a lot if you are loading match or hunting rounds, if it's just FMJ blasting ammo there is really no savings.



Thanks for the info. Off to the reloading forum I go.



I just did a quick estimate to find out about what it would cost to load match rounds using 77 gr Sierra Matchkings. Buying new Win brass it would run about $7.50/per 20 rds and without having to buy brass is would be about $5/per 20 rds. Federal Gold Medal Match runs $20+ per 20 rds.
Link Posted: 2/19/2006 11:34:15 PM EDT
If you are worried your powder might be damaged when tumbling loaded rounds, then you should do an experiment to see if your fears are justified.

Load some rounds. Take several and set them aside. Tumble the rest (actually, we use a vibratory cleaner not a true tumbler like a rock tumbler). Run them long enough to get eh lube off, say, 15 minutes.

Disassemble them and look for powder degradation (dust, broken kernels, etc). Compare the contents of the tumbled rounds to the contents of the untumbled rounds.

Take both tumbled and untumbled rounds to the range and fire them. Measure velocity and accuracy for both types and compare.

Every time I do this I get NO DIFFERENCE.

If you are worried about cleaning lube off your loaded rounds, you'd better be VERY worried about transporting your ammo in your car.
Link Posted: 2/20/2006 5:49:35 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Brians_45:
Semi off topic question....How much do you actually save reloading .223, not counting the equipment? I would like to do this if it yields significant monetary savings.



IMHO, you won't save a dime reloading.

You will have better ammo, shoot about 4 times as much and become a much better shooter.

SRM
Link Posted: 2/20/2006 6:12:52 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Cape_hunter:

Originally Posted By FALARAK:
Please do a little research, and not repost old wives tales and mytholigy.




No need.



All the Powder Mfg's. I have spoken to seem to say you are wrong.
Link Posted: 2/20/2006 6:21:57 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Ponyboy:
I've heard that if you tumble loaded ammo there is the possibility of the tip of one round hitting the primer of another and blowing up your tumbler.



They ship bags of loose-packed ammo on forklifts, then trucks, then planes, then more trucks, then the UPS guy dropping it at the foor, then you getting all excited and dragging it in, then ripping open the box, then pulling out the bag and dropping it on the floor,...
Link Posted: 2/20/2006 6:23:58 AM EDT
See what happens when you start a thread about reloading in GD.
Link Posted: 2/20/2006 6:28:28 AM EDT
I don't have the patience for reloading...I wish that I did. My hat is off to you.
Link Posted: 2/20/2006 6:32:04 AM EDT

Originally Posted By SRM:

Originally Posted By Brians_45:
Semi off topic question....How much do you actually save reloading .223, not counting the equipment? I would like to do this if it yields significant monetary savings.



IMHO, you won't save a dime reloading.

You will have better ammo, shoot about 4 times as much and become a much better shooter.

SRM



My opinion also.
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