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Posted: 2/19/2006 4:18:13 PM EDT
Yea, on another board (General computer board) the topic of guns in BF2 came up. Basically it ended up with, some gamer trying to tell me that the M16 was once chambered for 7.62x51. Yes, the 16, not the AR-10 or the M14, he says his dad claims it to be, so it must be true. anyone else come across this before?
Link Posted: 2/19/2006 4:20:12 PM EDT
Come across what? A dumbass gamer?
Yeah, pleanty of times.
Link Posted: 2/19/2006 4:21:06 PM EDT
Why waste your time debating w/ this fool?
Link Posted: 2/19/2006 4:21:50 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Slimjim:
Yea, on another board (General computer board) the topic of guns in BF2 came up. Basically it ended up with, some gamer trying to tell me that the M16 was once chambered for 7.62x51. Yes, the 16, not the AR-10 or the M14, he says his dad claims it to be, so it must be true. anyone else come across this before?



Not for sure but Stoner was originaly designing his rifles in 308 (7.62x51mm). Technically the M16 was always 223 the for runner 308. Like I said I'm not an expert. Joe
Link Posted: 2/19/2006 4:22:46 PM EDT
The world is full of them. Some grow up and become human. Took me awhile.
Link Posted: 2/19/2006 4:23:25 PM EDT
If its on a movie, on TV or in a game it HAS to be true.
Link Posted: 2/19/2006 4:23:34 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Slimjim:
Yea, on another board (General computer board) the topic of guns in BF2 came up. Basically it ended up with, some gamer trying to tell me that the M16 was once chambered for 7.62x51. Yes, the 16, not the AR-10 or the M14, he says his dad claims it to be, so it must be true. anyone else come across this before?



I think it was chambered in 7.62x51 for the game. Thats why you need to shoot a guy 10 times before he goes down
Link Posted: 2/19/2006 4:28:10 PM EDT
Link Posted: 2/19/2006 4:29:06 PM EDT
Like i said, the guy claims his father was issued one. The AR-10 was tried, but then burst a barrel in the tests, and wasnt considered afterwards. From what i have read.
Link Posted: 2/19/2006 4:29:36 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Aimless:
A buddies' kid asks me about these strange weapons every time I see him. I think in some video games they must make up the names for the guns or something, they sort of sound like real guns and sometimes they are, just with different names (maybe for copyright reasons?). I never really thought about arguing with him about it though....



A lot of the times the game designers have to make up weapon names in order to avoid copyright issues (as you suspected).

In one shooting game, an AK-47 is called the CV-47, a Steyr AUG is just referred to as "Bullpup", and so on.
Link Posted: 2/19/2006 4:29:49 PM EDT
"OMG I get a 98% hit probability with the .50 Deagle in CS," then my brain clicks off so I won't waste any cells or get contaminated.
Link Posted: 2/19/2006 4:30:34 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Aimless:
A buddies' kid asks me about these strange weapons every time I see him. I think in some video games they must make up the names for the guns or something, they sort of sound like real guns and sometimes they are, just with different names (maybe for copyright reasons?). I never really thought about arguing with him about it though....



I know that in SOCOM Navy SEALS PS2 game they call an HK MP5 an HK5 or something similar.
Link Posted: 2/19/2006 4:32:40 PM EDT
Fucking gamers! I hate it when I'm Googling firearms stuff, click a link and end up on a gamer site. The only soruce of firearms information worse than gun rags is gamers!
Link Posted: 2/19/2006 4:33:13 PM EDT
Not for sure but Stoner was originaly designing his rifles in 308 (7.62x51mm). Technically the M16 was always 223 the for runner 308. Like I said I'm not an expert. Joe


That was the AR-3 wasn't it?

B_S
Link Posted: 2/19/2006 4:35:11 PM EDT
Where da beamz?
Link Posted: 2/19/2006 4:38:48 PM EDT
Does he talk about his "Deagles"?
Link Posted: 2/19/2006 4:42:06 PM EDT
Deagle.
'Nuff said.
Link Posted: 2/19/2006 4:42:59 PM EDT

Originally Posted By joecav:

Originally Posted By Slimjim:
Yea, on another board (General computer board) the topic of guns in BF2 came up. Basically it ended up with, some gamer trying to tell me that the M16 was once chambered for 7.62x51. Yes, the 16, not the AR-10 or the M14, he says his dad claims it to be, so it must be true. anyone else come across this before?



Not for sure but Stoner was originaly designing his rifles in 308 (7.62x51mm). Technically the M16 was always 223 the for runner 308. Like I said I'm not an expert. Joe



I believe the original rifle was the AR-10, chambered in .308. During talks with the military, they were informed the .mil wanted a gun in a lighter cartridge, such as .222 Rem. Stoner redesigned the gun based on a variant of .222 Rem: .223 Rem. The .gov liked it, and adopted it and gave it the military designation M16.


Originally Posted By roboman:

Originally Posted By Aimless:
A buddies' kid asks me about these strange weapons every time I see him. I think in some video games they must make up the names for the guns or something, they sort of sound like real guns and sometimes they are, just with different names (maybe for copyright reasons?). I never really thought about arguing with him about it though....



A lot of the times the game designers have to make up weapon names in order to avoid copyright issues (as you suspected).

In one shooting game, an AK-47 is called the CV-47, a Steyr AUG is just referred to as "Bullpup", and so on.



I remember the N64 game "007: GoldenEye" doing the same thing. RC-P90 (FN-P90), DD-44 (TT-33), PP7 (PPK), AR-33 (AR-15), and a few others.
Link Posted: 2/19/2006 4:43:03 PM EDT
What did he say when you asked him what the recoil felt like through his mouse?


Link Posted: 2/19/2006 4:44:40 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Slimjim:
Yea, on another board (General computer board) the topic of guns in BF2 came up. Basically it ended up with, some gamer trying to tell me that the M16 was once chambered for 7.62x51. Yes, the 16, not the AR-10 or the M14, he says his dad claims it to be, so it must be true. anyone else come across this before?



Yes, I've had ignorant folks who didn't know the difference between 5.56 and 7.62. Gamers don't know guns, and as much as I like airsoft guns and airsoft in general, the attitudes of a lot of the punk ass kids who play games and airsoft and all of that leaves a lot to be desired. Attention to detail is what makes any game or simulation good and lack thereof makes it suck.
Link Posted: 2/19/2006 4:46:24 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Essayons:
Fucking gamers! I hate it when I'm Googling firearms stuff, click a link and end up on a gamer site. The only soruce of firearms information worse than gun rags is gamers!



+1, I was pissed the other day when I was looking up MP5 stuff and I kept finding pics and info on Airsoft MP5's, which I do own one of but GOD DAMN, if I wanted that, I'd just go molest my own airsoft, LOL.
Link Posted: 2/19/2006 4:47:19 PM EDT
The war in Iraq woud be over by now if our troops would just attach the silencer to their M4s since it makes them so much more accurate.
Link Posted: 2/19/2006 4:48:52 PM EDT

Originally Posted By TheCynic:
The war in Iraq woud be over by now if our troops would just attach the silencer to their M4s since it makes them so much more accurate.



priceless !!!
Link Posted: 2/19/2006 4:55:01 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Firelotus:
What did he say when you asked him what the recoil felt like through his mouse?





He probably has a Pachmyr mousepad. All the l33t gamers do. Reduces felt recoil 80%, doncha know....
Link Posted: 2/19/2006 4:57:44 PM EDT
yeah, because people on gun sites never get stuff wrong
Link Posted: 2/19/2006 5:00:02 PM EDT

Originally Posted By DigDug:
Where da beamz?



"Dats tight, man."
Link Posted: 2/21/2006 11:57:07 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/21/2006 11:58:35 AM EDT by Essayons]
Don't guess - buy and read the books! I can't recommend them too highly. Great reads!

The Black Rifle M16 Retrospective
by R Blake Stevens and Edward C Ezell
Enhanced Second Edition, 1992
416 pages, 441 illustrations

BLACK RIFLE II - The M16 Into the 21st Century
by Christopher R. Bartocci
Deluxe First Edition, 2004
408 pages, 626 illustrations

The Black Rifle discussed the development of the AR10 extensively and contains photos of the various prototypes (all 7.62x51). Later the design was "scaled down" by associates of Stoner's at Armalite. Stoner also designed the AR16 around 7.62x51. It was also later scaled-down to 5.56x45 by Armalite.
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