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Posted: 2/19/2006 9:40:43 AM EDT
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no
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Posted: 2/19/2006 9:41:37 AM EDT
[#2]
No, to all of the above. The other person in question has an obligation to pay for their own education, food, and medical care.
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Posted: 2/19/2006 9:42:22 AM EDT
[#3]
No to all of em.
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Posted: 2/19/2006 9:42:32 AM EDT
[#4]
No, and (flame suit on) that includes education. Sorry.
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Posted: 2/19/2006 9:43:10 AM EDT
[#5]
How about fire protection?
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Posted: 2/19/2006 9:43:23 AM EDT
[#6]
I pay my own way. Why not others?
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Posted: 2/19/2006 9:43:53 AM EDT
[#7]
They're just like the mafia, man! |
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Posted: 2/19/2006 9:46:07 AM EDT
[#8]
Yes, I do if the people cannot do it themselves (will-nots need not apply) but I don't believe we should be forced to by having our money taken by the IRS. My obligation is from my religion, not from socialist beliefs. I don't think education falls under my obligation though.
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Posted: 2/19/2006 9:46:38 AM EDT
[#9]
No to everything. Social security, medicare, medicaid, welfare, food stamps, WIC, public education, school lunches, EVERYTHING.
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Posted: 2/19/2006 9:47:37 AM EDT
[#10]
Yes.....no to all !!!
If you're a poor child and through birth and no fault of your own your parental units can't afford to pay for an education, yep fuck em all !!! This sure would be a better place then wouldn't it. |
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Posted: 2/19/2006 9:48:23 AM EDT
[#11]
I have an obligation to do what I decide I have an obligation to do. Not what .gov or anyone else decided.
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Posted: 2/19/2006 9:49:32 AM EDT
[#12]
was america a better place before the government monoploy schools, or is it better off with the horrible state of public education today? |
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Posted: 2/19/2006 9:49:37 AM EDT
[#13]
Yes.
My wife, kids and other family members from time to time. |
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Posted: 2/19/2006 9:50:30 AM EDT
[#14]
A little bit different, but what about the military?
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Posted: 2/19/2006 9:54:13 AM EDT
[#15]
I already do. (Over $10,000 in taxes this year to my local school district, and I have no children)
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Posted: 2/19/2006 9:54:19 AM EDT
[#16]
Not my point. 200 years ago not having an education didn't affect you like it does today. How would having a HUGE segment of our population illiterate help America today ? |
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Posted: 2/19/2006 9:56:08 AM EDT
[#17]
The military provide everyone living in our country with a service, which we all compensate them for. This is to say we employ them, we are obligated to them as an employer. |
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Posted: 2/19/2006 9:56:50 AM EDT
[#18]
Isn't THAT the present state of affairs??? 
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Posted: 2/19/2006 9:57:10 AM EDT
[#19]
And school teachers don't? |
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Posted: 2/19/2006 9:59:14 AM EDT
[#20]
No to all.
Education- I paid for my own, Student loans are a wonderful thing. And there are more available now, to more people, than ever before. Food- Absolutely not. I pay for my own food. I work for the money to pay for my food. Pretty simple equation, really. Medical Care- Once again, No. Why should I be expected to foot the bill for someone with lung cancer, liver cancer or heart problems? I dont smoke, drink to access, and I'm pretty watchful of what I eat, in order to prevent those types of problems for myself later in life. Why should I be penalized for someone else not caring about their body? In fact, I'm all for a mass culling of the societal dredges. |
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Posted: 2/19/2006 10:00:43 AM EDT
[#21]
The private market would boom. The media/corporate America wouldn't let all of those consumers sit around wasting away in the ghetto. They'll be tossing handouts out left and right to gain the goodwill of everyone. You'll also see a return to more home-and-community based cooperative type schools. If the parents don't care enough about their child to find some way to educate them then no amount of your or my money is going to make that kid anything better than the sum of his parts. |
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Posted: 2/19/2006 10:01:14 AM EDT
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You assume they would be illiterate. First, people would need to decide if they could afford to educate their children before they had them. Second, without the government run monopoly schools and the thuggish teacher unions, education would be much more affordable. Third, without the massive amount of state, local, and federal taxes seized for education, people would have more of their own money to spend on educating their own children. Fourth, then, just like now, there are private organizations and churches that would step up and fill th e void and provide education for free or at a greatly reduced rate. When the government takes, people stop giving. Proven fact. (Tragedy Of American Compassion, Marvin Olasky). And government does the job much worse than the private sector does. Eliminate the education monopoly and seizing of income for it and you will end up with a system that educates all children much better than they are being educated today. |
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Posted: 2/19/2006 10:01:50 AM EDT
[#23]
What makes you think a HS education alone cuts it in todays economy? Why not have everyone pay for public college too? 
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Posted: 2/19/2006 10:02:04 AM EDT
[#24]
No. The military protect/serve our nation as a whole. Teachers educate children, to varying degrees of success, and do nothing for people who do not have children. |
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Posted: 2/19/2006 10:02:12 AM EDT
[#25]
BUT I'm a COMPASSIONATE CONSERVATIVE who cares about my community & my country !!
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Posted: 2/19/2006 10:03:16 AM EDT
[#26]
Ding fucking Ding! We have a winner! I agree! |
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Posted: 2/19/2006 10:03:26 AM EDT
[#27]
And you denied on the firefighter thread that you're a liberal!  The public school system is horribly overpriced, inefficient, and bad at the one job it is supposed to be doing. And there's a difference between the military and teachers: It's impossible for one person to protect the country in this day and age. But one person can educate their children, or pay for a private school to do it. |
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Posted: 2/19/2006 10:04:27 AM EDT
[#28]
Get over it.
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Posted: 2/19/2006 10:22:20 AM EDT
[#29]
Yea if they are my family. Everyone else can go fuck themselves!
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Posted: 2/19/2006 11:09:24 AM EDT
[#30]
I believe that society should support those who CANNOT support themselves. Orphans, the disabled, kids who need medical care and CANT get the money from parents, etc.
Those who WILL NOT support themselves because they make poor decisions and spend their money on crack instead of formula and diapers, I have no respect for, nor do I feel an obligation to help them. Look at it this way. Right now you take a hard line, because you have a job and you are successful. If tomorrow you fell at work and were paralyzed from the neck down, who is going to feed you, wipe your ass and send your kids to school? Who of us has not needed an hand up from time to time?~~ T. Roosevelt, Sorbonne, Paris, 1910 |
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Posted: 2/19/2006 11:16:43 AM EDT
[#31]
apples and oranges. there's not one teacher out there trying to educate the entire populace. using your metaphor, fuck the military because a father should use his AR-15 to defend only his family and nothing more, or hire a security service. |
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Posted: 2/19/2006 11:17:51 AM EDT
[#32]
Please elaborate. |
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Posted: 2/19/2006 11:19:14 AM EDT
[#33]
Our Founding Fathers didn't think so at the federal level and wrote the Constitution that way
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Posted: 2/19/2006 11:19:37 AM EDT
[#34]
already done on the first page. |
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Posted: 2/19/2006 11:23:55 AM EDT
[#35]
I would change the wording on your poll.
I don't and shouldn't have a LEGAL obligation for any of these. I should assume a moral obligation under the appropriate circumstances. To me there is no such thing as charity when it comes to taxation and government actions. Charity has to be voluntary to be valid. Otherwise it's simply theft. |
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Posted: 2/19/2006 11:25:16 AM EDT
[#36]
sigh. Here's the shorthand verison: The government exists by,for, and of the people to do things they CAN NOT do by themselves. It is impossible for you and your neighbors to say "gee, iran is getting out of hand, let's go over there with our guns and keep them from handing nukes to terrorists". You can also not say "gee, bob over there is pretty good with a gun. Maybe I could spot him $1000 and a plane ticket and he could take on the iranians!" That's why there's government - basically citizens of a certain area - band together and set up agencies to provide services they CAN NOT provide on their own or in private groups. Now with education, there is absolutely nothing preventing you from educating your own children (countless parents do with home shooling) or from using your money to send your kid to a private school. Since education issomething that can be handled either by an individual or a private group, there is no reason to have government take everyone's money under the threat of a gun in order to educate someone else's kid. Because they could be doing it themselves one way or another if they actually bothered. |
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Posted: 2/19/2006 11:27:10 AM EDT
[#37]
Libtards think that the rich should support the poor. I don't see anything like that written in our Constitution...
AC  Damn, this U.S. Govt. cheese!!! Uncle Sam owns me a new Lexus |
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Posted: 2/19/2006 11:28:15 AM EDT
[#38]
And society virtually always has, and was doing so long before we had the federal government imposing an income tax on us to do so. Before Income Tax, there was great pressure on "rich" people to give large sums of money for public works and social systems, and there were also churches and other organizations who provided for needy from their VOLUNTARY contributions. What some people don't see is that the government has systematically undermined these practices, because it wants to be the SOLE CONTROLLER of these monies. With control over the money, it's much easier to use your influence to get what you want, or to simply divert funds. And let's not talk about the percentage of money used for "administrative costs" (read: to give a lot of worthless people high-paying jobs with secure pensions and lavish benefits). It's a pretty universal part of the Human Condition that you tend not to appreciate things that you didn't have to work for. Education and Health Care are certainly included. -Troy |
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Posted: 2/19/2006 11:30:24 AM EDT
[#39]
Ahhhhh Nooooooooo
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Posted: 2/19/2006 11:34:25 AM EDT
[#40]
F*ck no. This country is founded upon the idea of self detemination; carry your own load, work hard, do the best you can do, and move forward.
At least that is my approach to life. |
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Posted: 2/19/2006 11:36:38 AM EDT
[#41]
The difference is that Defense is a Federal mandate of the US Constitution and education is a State Mandate of the several States. |
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Posted: 2/19/2006 11:36:55 AM EDT
[#42]
I believe that some form of public education is for the benefit of the general population.Beyond that, there should be some form of public aid for the lower class and destitute. Some of you guys are waaaayyy out there in thinking there should be NO programs. I seem to recall from a thread a while back that there are plenty of you who benefit from one or another .gov programs, so obviously theres an element of it being a case of "my program is good but the rest are bad" at work here.
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Posted: 2/19/2006 11:37:30 AM EDT
[#43]
I read a quote somewhere:
"It's an ironnclad law of economics, if you want more of something, subsidize it, if you want less, tax it." In America, apparently we want more illegitimate non smokers that cannot support, educate or provide medical care for themselves... It is human nature to try to take advantage of any situation for one's own self-interest. The ability to resist the urge to take advantage of someone and to instead attempt to help them is one of the things that marks civilization over mob rule. Efficiency is doing things right. Effectiveness is doing the right things. Character is doing the right thing when nobody is looking. Do I help others whenever I can? Yes. Do I feel I should be compelled to do so? No. |
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Posted: 2/19/2006 11:37:38 AM EDT
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There are times when we have to...
That is if we have a shread of human decency in us.....basic needs for an unwanted handicapped child? Give me a fucking break people..... ETA: to answer the question: sometimes yesbut most of the time i cant stomach the abuse... |
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Posted: 2/19/2006 11:39:04 AM EDT
[#45]
Now that's a more thorough explanation. Thanks. Now where does an aggressive foreign policy like you outlined above fit in with the "everyone just takes care of their own" mentality? I mean, Iran can't touch the US. Fuck Israel, right? I'm being the devil's advocate here. |
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Posted: 2/19/2006 11:42:33 AM EDT
[#46]
NO
the govt paying and 'redistributing' the working individuals of the USA is COMMUNISM |
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Posted: 2/19/2006 11:43:10 AM EDT
[#47]
any of you hardliners have a problem sending your kids to public school on my taxes I've paid for public education and never used a dime of yet? Or do you refuse it and pay tuition?
again - give me a break.... |
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Posted: 2/19/2006 11:43:27 AM EDT
[#48]
yes on education to a certain extent.
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Posted: 2/19/2006 11:44:15 AM EDT
[#49]
Sure - my family's...
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Posted: 2/19/2006 11:48:50 AM EDT
[#50]
No, not really. You just made a sweeping generalization that government run schools and teacher unions are somehow driving up the cost of education. I want to know HOW they are doing this. In your response, please explain this phenomena in the many states where teachers are not unionized. Thank you. |
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